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Who else didn't want salvatore dead?

Reyiz Kovan

By Reyiz Kovan
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  1. 1. You glad salvatore is dead?


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Sorviknight

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I mean, I think his death was underwhelming considering he's a recurring character in the series, but I also think he deserved it. Most deaths in GTA 3 are underwhelming, to be honest, so I wouldn't expect a exception for Salvatore anyway.

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Copcaller

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On 12/1/2018 at 11:36 AM, Reyiz Kovan said:

 Claude did it cuz asuka wanted,not cuz claude wanted revenge or somethin

Yeah but Salvatore also tried to blow claude up which is probably is why he didn't hesitate to kill him for his new boss.

Reyiz Kovan

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5 hours ago, Copcaller said:

Yeah but Salvatore also tried to blow claude up which is probably is why he didn't hesitate to kill him for his new boss.

Remember how claude killed kenji,you got some good money? Then claude even kills his own mother without makin any hesitation.

Evil empire

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From an immersion-friendly point of view Salvatore's betrayal gives a good explanation about the fact Claude has to continue his fight against the Cartel on his own from Staunton. What's more the scenario gives Claude and Asuka all the best reasons to murder Salvatore: he can't retaliate against Maria, Claude takes his revenge against the one who sunk his career among the Leones, the Yakuza prevent the Leones from trying to expand their territory in Staunton and Claude proves his loyalty towards the Yakuza.

The scenario is very well written.

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Bartleby

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I don't think Salvatore's betrayal was ever really convincing from an in-game perspective. A passing comment from Maria is enough for him to want to kill his recently-recruited one man army? The one responsible for single-handedly destroying major operations of both the Triads and the Cartel? Even with considerations of paranoia, that makes absolutely no sense.

 

I think something completely different happened, based on a really old topic on this forum. I've always thought that it's better than the canon explanation.

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Evil empire

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The fact the Leones don't try to kill you between the escape in Staunton and the moment you murder Salvatore is probably just an oversight from the developers. The fictional characters you can see in GTA 3 become hostile due to scripted events.

Bartleby

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I'm aware of that, but as before I'm speaking from an in-game perspective. Oversight or not it is what it is, and it seems to me that it's a major hole in the story.

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Jeansowaty

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Surely it is a giant plothole now the way I look at it. There is more on that matter though - Salvatore and the Leones will shoot at you on sight during Sayonara Salvatore with Sal shouting "There he is, waste him!" If we take the explaination you made into account then how much sense does that make? Do the Leones have spies on Staunton and they found out that Claude was about to start working for the Yakuza? 

Another thing worth investigating is the deal between the Leones and the Cartel. Literally minutes ago you blew up their ship and then they agree to make a deal? I'm guessing they agreed to end the war if Salvatore gives Claude up. Perhaps Sal thought that Claude is too dangerous to keep him around so he wanted him gone anyway, and Maria's story about Claude and her being an item is also lies to just get you working for the Yakuza? Or the opposite, she's saying the truth and the Leones are peaceful because they assume you are dead and don't recognise you or something. This sh*t is complicated.

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Jeansowaty

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7 minutes ago, ClaudeIzABadAzz said:

No Mob associate in history has ever rubbed out a Mob boss and gotten away with it. The Mob is far too powerful for Claude to have even made it out of Portland alive.

Maybe the Leones are not the actual Mob and they're just a local mob family?

Paisan™

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28 minutes ago, Jeansowaty said:

Maybe the Leones are not the actual Mob and they're just a local mob family?

Possibly. However, all Sindacco and Forelli operations are destroyed by the Leones in 1998. I don't think a small time family would be able to do that.

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Jeansowaty

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2 hours ago, ClaudeIzABadAzz said:

Possibly. However, all Sindacco and Forelli operations are destroyed by the Leones in 1998. I don't think a small time family would be able to do that.

I like to think that there are still superior Mafias topping the crime scene in Liberty City. The Leones are often engaged in such petty business that it just makes me think they're not really THAT big. At best, they're equal in terms of power with the Yakuza and the Cartel.

GTA_CAT

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And also don't forget the main objective of Claude all the time was to kill Catalina. Why wouldn't he kill Salvatore if he might end up dead before accomplishing his purpose? And about Asuka's thing the point is the same, Claude can't stay at Portland, he must find a place to be safer and furthermore, if he works for Yakuza he has more probabilities to find Catalina.

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Paisan™

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11 hours ago, Jeansowaty said:

The Leones are often engaged in such petty business that it just makes me think they're not really THAT big

What makes you say that? I mean, the Sicilian Mob did try to muscle in on their operations, and failed. And we're talking Sicilian Mafia here, traditional La Cosa Nostra. That's saying something.

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gtafaninwest

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15 hours ago, Jeansowaty said:

I like to think that there are still superior Mafias topping the crime scene in Liberty City. The Leones are often engaged in such petty business that it just makes me think they're not really THAT big. At best, they're equal in terms of power with the Yakuza and the Cartel.

I wouldn't consider protection, extortion, drug trafficking, and gambling petty.

 

Plus, the Leones had vengeful elite members who wielded assault rifles as seen in Under Servaillance.

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Jeansowaty

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6 hours ago, Paisan™ said:

What makes you say that? I mean, the Sicilian Mob did try to muscle in on their operations, and failed. And we're talking Sicilian Mafia here, traditional La Cosa Nostra. That's saying something.

You're very right. However I believe the only reason this happened was because the Leones had Toni, an overpowered cannon, so to speak. He lost his motivation and temper by 2001 however, from the story's point of view he's no longer a player like he used to be (attacking Triads with a baseball bat yet he himself has killed many of their members and one of their potential leaders 3 years ago?). If the Sicilians would have chosen to make the attack in 2001, I bet they would have won.

2 hours ago, gtafaninwest said:

I wouldn't consider protection, extortion, drug trafficking, and gambling petty.

 

Plus, the Leones had vengeful elite members who wielded assault rifles as seen in Under Servaillance.

The Yakuza and the Cartel also had hitmen who were equipped with M16's, Shotgun's and other heavy weaponry :yee: Most of the activities you mentioned except for gambling are also done by small gangs like the Diablos, Yardies or the Triads on a pretty large scale. Maybe I indeed did not put it all too right, what I mean is that the Leones may be powerful but it's 2001, stuff is changing. They had their time of glory by the end of the 90's (LCS, and also look at GTA Advance, the Leones control the area corresponding to LC's Saint Marks, Portland Harbor and even Atlantic Quays.) and while they're big, other mobs and criminal organisations are coming to the scene heavily. In my canons Sal's death made them stock up on weapons and go into a "defensive" strategy, cutting up on other businesses in order to keep what's left.

 

I admit though, I may be a little biased judging by the fact that I never enjoyed the story of LCS and I find it pretty badly written.

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Jack Lupino

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I wanted him dead because as much as i liked Salvatores character and he was an asshole and ungrateful even towards his closest man.

He didnt even pay Toni 2 Million dollar he promised !

 

But i think his death could have been more epic than being sniped off from rooftop.

He should have been  final boss/villain in gta 3.

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Reyiz Kovan

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3 hours ago, Paisan™ said:

Killing Salvatore in one mission, in such a short span of time, is an absolute joke. There's no way in hell you can kill a Mob boss like that.

Well u aint gotta talk bout realism cuz we playin gta here lol(remember cj stole a jatcpack from military n did those damn airfield missions 😂😂😂😂,they always kill me😅)

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GTA_CAT

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6 hours ago, Paisan™ said:

Killing Salvatore in one mission, in such a short span of time, is an absolute joke. There's no way in hell you can kill a Mob boss like that.

Usually, as I have learned from Fast and Furious films :D, there are two types of things that work: the ones with a lot of planning and the others whole improvised. Plus Claude have to kill Salvatore asap there's no time for planification.

Reyiz Kovan

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35 minutes ago, GTA_CAT said:

Usually, as I have learned from Fast and Furious films :D, there are two types of things that work: the ones with a lot of planning and the others whole improvised. Plus Claude have to kill Salvatore asap there's no time for planification.

How "claude have to kill him n there is no time to make a plan"?!

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