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CanYouDigIt

Shooting/Aiming backwards while riding

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CanYouDigIt

OK, I had to come in here and ask this question because it has been bothering me quite a bit and I was surprised I couldn't find any rant threads about this, when searching the internet.

 

How do you guys deal with aiming backwards while riding? There are tons of situations in RDR2 where you need to shoot from your horse and often it's while fleeing from a wanted area. I use the default auto aim settings in game and too often I die from situations where I just mess up big time, when I need to aim while I ride. Also the random gang robberies on the roads makes this problem even worse. I know I probably suck in general but Goddamn it's hard not to screw up, when you want to kill people from your horse while riding in modest tempo. 

 

I think the main problem seems to be that the control directions becomes very hard while trying to look/aim backwards on your horse, all while you can't see your going in high gallop.

Even getting a lock on an enemy that's behind you gets extremely difficult. While you ride you have to turn your aiming crosshair 180 degrees before you get a chance to aim at persons that's behind you. I know that you can push r3 to quick turn 180 degree but I can't seem to reach that controller while I'm riding.

Is it just me, or is it extremely difficult to get a good aim techniqe while riding. It kinda ruins the immersion of the game that the shooting becomes so clunky from horseback. The aiming seems so random and I'm not getting the feeling that I'm in control of what I'm aiming at.

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Gallows
3 minutes ago, CanYouDigIt said:

OK, I had to come in here and ask this question because it has been bothering me quite a bit and I was surprised I couldn't find any rant threads about this, when searching the internet.

 

How do you guys deal with aiming backwards while riding? There are tons of situations in RDR2 where you need to shoot from your horse and often it's while fleeing from a wanted area. I use the default auto aim settings in game and too often I die from situations where I just mess up big time, when I need to aim while I ride. Also the random gang robberies on the roads makes this problem even worse. I know I probably suck in general but Goddamn it's hard not to screw up, when you want to kill people from your horse while riding in modest tempo. 

 

I think the main problem seems to be that the control directions becomes very hard while trying to look/aim backwards on your horse, all while you can't see your going in high gallop.

Even getting a lock on an enemy that's behind you gets extremely difficult. While you ride you have to turn your aiming crosshair 180 degrees before you get a chance to aim at persons that's behind you. I know that you can push r3 to quick turn 180 degree but I can't seem to reach that controller while I'm riding.

Is it just me, or is it extremely difficult to get a good aim techniqe while riding. It kinda ruins the immersion of the game that the shooting becomes so clunky from horseback. The aiming seems so random and I'm not getting the feeling that I'm in control of what I'm aiming at.

Yes it is quite hard, but that’s natural really. The NPCs however do bot aim so well either on horseback. I am using freeaim and no aim assist, which makes it quite hard. Deadeye is my friend for picking off people behind me on horseback :)

 

 

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CanYouDigIt

Right. Dead Eye seems to be the only solution to the problem. I'm still struggling to understand how any people can use the r3 button in a convenient way. I mean, I could understand if you just needed to tap the r3 button to look behind you but it's impossible to hold the button, while steering the horse, keeping speed pace and aiming. 

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Gallows
11 minutes ago, CanYouDigIt said:

Right. Dead Eye seems to be the only solution to the problem. I'm still struggling to understand how any people can use the r3 button in a convenient way. I mean, I could understand if you just needed to tap the r3 button to look behind you but it's impossible to hold the button, while steering the horse, keeping speed pace and aiming. 

Hmm you disable the setting that keeps your camera forward, then trapping R3 will center your view :)

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CanYouDigIt
5 minutes ago, Gallows said:

Hmm you disable the setting that keeps your camera forward, then trapping R3 will center your view :)

I'll try that one. Thanks! ;)

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Bakkerbaard

When I aim backwards, which I do admit is close to hellish, I let go of the left stick. The horse can manage on it's own for a little bit while you aim and shoot. Most I do is keep X pressed so the horse keeps moving and I preferably not look backwards when riding through trees. That'll end in disaster.

 

I do get the impression that Arthur shoots better while on horseback. Using a Lancaster, I'll need at least two bodyshots to bring down a guy when I'm cowering in cover, but on horseback it's generally one shot one kill, like he's Tom Berenger (just in case you like obscure references....).

 

Either way, yeah, there's too much buttons to press when on horseback. It's just managable, but I susppose it's nigh impossible if you're going for all golds.

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Fatsanchez

I guess all those years of being hunted in GTAO have really come in handy lol.

Because it just feels natural to me I guess.

I have to pay attention when I play again, but IIRC, I press R3 to look backwards and THEN press L2 to aim. After that you can release R3 and still keep your aim. But as I said maybe I´m remembering it wrong because it just comes out naturally to me after all the experience in GTA.

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Bakkerbaard
8 hours ago, Fatsanchez said:

all the experience in GTA.

As far as I'm conerned the problem is that horse. 

In GTA you just aim the car down a street and it'll keep going, generally speaking. Here, if I just release horse controls for a second, say to put out my cigarette, the horse turns into a homing missile for trees. Add to that the agitated state while under fire and you've got a bit of a carnival ride at your hands.

Then if you start aiming backwards, but try to control the horse at the same time, it kinda seems like the horse controls go reversed. It's just a bit of a weird feeling, but since I got through the story without skipping checkpoints it's probably not really difficult.

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mehoe123

When it gets that intense I usually just outrun them and stop then pick them off from a distance.

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CanYouDigIt
7 hours ago, Bakkerbaard said:

As far as I'm conerned the problem is that horse. 

In GTA you just aim the car down a street and it'll keep going, generally speaking. Here, if I just release horse controls for a second, say to put out my cigarette, the horse turns into a homing missile for trees. Add to that the agitated state while under fire and you've got a bit of a carnival ride at your hands.

Then if you start aiming backwards, but try to control the horse at the same time, it kinda seems like the horse controls go reversed. It's just a bit of a weird feeling, but since I got through the story without skipping checkpoints it's probably not really difficult.

Exactly. I have the same feeling!

If you aim backwards the controls for steering the horse seems to reverse but it only does it for a very small area. If you are trying to control your aiming while aiming backwards you have the reversed controls but if you then slip out of a direct aiming backwards (let's say 170 degrees instead of 180 degrees) the controls slips back to normal and the horse will change course to the opposite direction of where you wanted to go. I haven't concluded if this is what actually happens but it certainly feels like.

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Fatsanchez

@Bakkerbaard oh I see. Maybe I havent come across this problem then, I remember running and shooting on occasions in the game but in my experience the horse tend to follow the road and other characters/horses while I was looking back. Maybe this happens during missions? I usually only had problems when finished shooting and trying to get the camera facing forward and such, you know?

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The1raven

Yeah, it's kind of bad.  And it's a control downgrade.  Rdr1 had a control for staying on course while firing behind.

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Bakkerbaard
17 hours ago, Fatsanchez said:

@Bakkerbaard oh I see. Maybe I havent come across this problem then, I remember running and shooting on occasions in the game but in my experience the horse tend to follow the road and other characters/horses while I was looking back. Maybe this happens during missions? I usually only had problems when finished shooting and trying to get the camera facing forward and such, you know?

I never looked back while just riding, now that I think of it. Only when shooting.

The horse does try to stick to the road, but you'll need to leave the left stick alone. It seems like when you even accidentally nudge the left stick the horse goes: "OKAY! TREES IT IS! WOOHOO!"

 

Alos eems the faster you go, the worse road-sticking gets. Which, in hindsight, kinda makes sense.

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Dr.Rosenthal

I had to change the controls from Camera relative to Horse relative and that made all the difference for me. Before, if I looked back the horse would turn to the direction in which I looked - which, I’m guessing, is your problem? That was annoying as hell.

 

Now, have it set to Horse relative and the horse will just continue running straight forward so long as you let it, no matter which direction you want to look. I honestly don’t understand why this isn’t the standard setting - it’s like, if in GTA, you were doing a driveby and the car would turn to face your target. Just incredibly stupid, especially considering all the horseback-shooting-backwards and sideways that you just have to do in this game.

 

With these settings changed, you can keep controlling the horse while aiming, just like you would weave through traffic while shooting at enemies chasing you in GTA.

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Mach1bud
11 minutes ago, Dr.Rosenthal said:

I had to change the controls from Camera relative to Horse relative and that made all the difference for me. Before, if I looked back the horse would turn to the direction in which I looked - which, I’m guessing, is your problem? That was annoying as hell.

 

Now, have it set to Horse relative and the horse will just continue running straight forward so long as you let it, no matter which direction you want to look. I honestly don’t understand why this isn’t the standard setting - it’s like, if in GTA, you were doing a driveby and the car would turn to face your target. Just incredibly stupid, especially considering all the horseback-shooting-backwards and sideways that you just have to do in this game.

 

With these settings changed, you can keep controlling the horse while aiming, just like you would weave through traffic while shooting at enemies chasing you in GTA.

This this this this this.

 

It makes it the same as RDR1 controls.

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Satanta

Interesting.  I honestly never noticed tho I rarely try to shoot back because I'm too busy steering between trees and rocks to keep them from getting a good shot then  cutting wide circles to get them to my side and shooting from there or getting below a slope to catch them as they come over-I use the terrain as best as possible, for me I usually die if I get caught in the open or the horse goes down.

That said I love/hate Dead Eye-can't see with it on so I try not to use it but when it is neccesary I know about where the traget is and sweep back and forth till I see the red x or hear the click.

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Bakkerbaard
11 hours ago, Dr.Rosenthal said:

I had to change the controls from Camera relative to Horse relative and that made all the difference for me.

Not a single moment have I thought about checking the options.

When Online arrives I'll find you and shoot you for making me feel dumb.

...Unless you're behind me.

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Gallows

The main thing is that it should be hard to do.

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CanYouDigIt
On 11/14/2018 at 3:49 PM, Dr.Rosenthal said:

I had to change the controls from Camera relative to Horse relative and that made all the difference for me. Before, if I looked back the horse would turn to the direction in which I looked - which, I’m guessing, is your problem? That was annoying as hell.

 

Now, have it set to Horse relative and the horse will just continue running straight forward so long as you let it, no matter which direction you want to look. I honestly don’t understand why this isn’t the standard setting - it’s like, if in GTA, you were doing a driveby and the car would turn to face your target. Just incredibly stupid, especially considering all the horseback-shooting-backwards and sideways that you just have to do in this game.

 

With these settings changed, you can keep controlling the horse while aiming, just like you would weave through traffic while shooting at enemies chasing you in GTA.

Aha! I should have thought of that. Thank you!

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Gallows

In first person it seems to work perfectly.

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Xboxeddy

I never use the r3 function only the stick to manipulate the camera, I do use auto aim so once I'm in the general area I can snap to them. I also have my weapon aiming while I'm rotating the camera and tapping x, my horse (Roy) seems to keep to the track fairly well (and better still if it's on misssion withba companion) then pop out and immediately back into aiming and the target is in my sights. 

 

Might go down like a lead balloon but I generally go for headshots...on the horses, bigger target and takes the rider out of the pursuit as I tend not to use dead eye a great deal. 

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Satanta

I'm going to try Horse Relative in a bit.  Really annoying to be riding along, go to say something to someone and have the horse veer in that direction.

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StrawberryStew

I tried switching to horse relative but it seems a lot more precise and natural to control the horse with camera relative. Maybe its something you've got to used to but my horse was all over the place.

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afriendlyreddot

For my fellow free-aimers the pump shotty for mounted combat, both engaging and fleeing is life saver with all puns intended. I usually click r3 to snap behind me and line up my shots, a few times it almost seemed like the horse was following the road i was on assuming you're on a road that is and not off trail. Could be me just being that good but honestly compared to how I was in GTAO I know I'm not there yet in this game so there might be something to that

 

But yeah, pump shotgun ftw!

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ibsmokin

Sounds like a lot of you are holding your left stick forward while you run on horseback. I have the same habit but it’s completely unnecessary this is what causes your horse to turn when you turn to shoot. Your left thumb is moving with your right. I had the same problem till I realized what I was doing just keep tapping or holding x or a and leave the left stick alone. I switched to horse relative as well because of when I’d be looking around my character in an area or something and go to turn and my horse would turn the other way bumping someone earning me a bounty. 

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Gallows

The camera/horse relative issue may be the reason, I’m not having the same issues when playing in first person. On my second playthrough I am doing it without deadeye on top of free aim, but I’m getting the hang of shooting from horseback. Leaving the left stick alone while you aim, makes a lot of difference. It does annoy me that I have no iron sights on the horse so I always dismount to fight unless I have to keep riding, to catch someone or it’s part of a mission. 

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Oldsport

i dont really have problems while shooting at people backwards anymore but i does get annoying when wolves , bears , cougars or panthers are chasing you and you horse focuses it by itself and then u cant see the road like thats the most annoying thing when it happens. like okay i know im being chased by a pack of wolves but does my screen have to lock on to them automatically , just let me ride man

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