NikoBellic5472 Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 (edited) Okay. So, I have a theory. When you rob the casino in GTA SA. Salvatore calls and says that he will have him killed. Toni kills someone in 1994 and returns in 1998. So, maybe Salvatore was so pissed off at CJ that he sent Toni to kill CJ. And Toni had to go to hiding for 4 years because he had to protect himself from Grove Street Families? And when the dust settles, Toni returns to Liberty City? Edited November 10, 2018 by lil weasel universetwisters, Lioshenka, SanLiberty and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reyiz Kovan Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, NikoBellic5472 said: Okay. So, I have a theory. When you rob the casino in GTA SA. Salvatore calls and says that he will have him killed. Toni kills someone in 1994 and returns in 1998. So, maybe Salvatore was so pissed off at CJ that he sent Toni to kill CJ. And Toni had to go to hiding for 4 years because he had to protect himself from Grove Street Families? And when the dust settles, Toni returns to Liberty City? I don't believe this happened but there was someone already said this "apart from grove street part" you wrote,i think it was called "how toni killed cj" in gta lcs forum.Also i'm not 100% sure this didn't happen,but i hope it did not. Edited November 10, 2018 by Reyiz Kovan Reyiz Kovan String and NikoBellic5472 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtCheap Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 I honestly don't know why people believe in this theory 10 hours ago, NikoBellic5472 said: Toni kills someone in 1994 and returns in 1998. So, maybe Salvatore was so pissed off at CJ that he sent Toni to kill CJ. It's said that Toni killed a "made-man" (a mafia man) which led him into hiding to hide from the mob. Unless CJ is secretly an Italian mafioso, I doubt this point. 10 hours ago, NikoBellic5472 said: And Toni had to go to hiding for 4 years because he had to protect himself from Grove Street Families? And when the dust settles, Toni returns to Liberty City? No offense or anything, but did you even play SA or LCS? The Leone Family is an organised crime syndicate which has immense power in Liberty City and parts of Las Venturas. I highly doubt such a powerful mob will be afraid of a small gang that's growing weaker day by day. NikoBellic5472, SanLiberty, Lennart - and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikoBellic5472 Posted November 11, 2018 Author Share Posted November 11, 2018 9 hours ago, DirtCheap said: I honestly don't know why people believe in this theory It's said that Toni killed a "made-man" (a mafia man) which led him into hiding to hide from the mob. Unless CJ is secretly an Italian mafioso, I doubt this point. No offense or anything, but did you even play SA or LCS? The Leone Family is an organised crime syndicate which has immense power in Liberty City and parts of Las Venturas. I highly doubt such a powerful mob will be afraid of a small gang that's growing weaker day by day. 1. Okay, yeah. He killed a made man and CJ was not a made man because he was not Italian. 2. At the end Grove Street families becomes strong... So, maybe they could kill Toni... But it's just a theory... 19 hours ago, NikoBellic5472 said: Okay. So, I have a theory. When you rob the casino in GTA SA. Salvatore calls and says that he will have him killed. Toni kills someone in 1994 and returns in 1998. So, maybe Salvatore was so pissed off at CJ that he sent Toni to kill CJ. And Toni had to go to hiding for 4 years because he had to protect himself from Grove Street Families? And when the dust settles, Toni returns to Liberty City? I did not invent this theory myself and I read it from a YouTube Comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motka Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 How would it have taken 2 years to get the job done? NikoBellic5472, Reyiz Kovan and The Made Man 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil empire Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 The GTA stories are fictional, nothing happens outside of the scenario. And why would Toni run out of Liberty after killing CJ, especially when the Triads are less powerful at the time of LCS events than in GTA 3 (at least except if I'm wrong)? lil weasel and NikoBellic5472 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crossbones Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 There is a similar thread in LCS section, I guess. OT- I don't know some people believe this theory. I mean it's clearly mentioned that Toni killed a Made man (a mobster of Italian heritage are the one's who are made as per I know but if the rules of La Cosa Nostra are updated and they have started accepting made guys of all nationalities and ethnicities then I don't know about that) so CJ been a made man is highly unlikely. Then, even if we consider that Toni killed CJ, then tf Toni would leave Liberty City (his home turf which Leones stronghold and where GSF have no existence) and go into hiding in some other place where he could be vulnerable to attacks as he would have no security cover like he has in LC. NikoBellic5472 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gtaman_92 Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 Why would Toni have to leave LC just for killing a low level Street Gangster on the other side of the country? Also Toni killed a made man and made man’s can only be full Italian. NikoBellic5472 and 2L8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lil weasel Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 2 hours ago, Gtaman_92 said: Why would Toni have to leave LC just for killing a low level Street Gangster on the other side of the country? Also Toni killed a made man and made man’s can only be full Italian. Well, let's see: Tradition, Honour, Revenge. Family, NikoBellic5472 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeansowaty Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 again the same old story. no. Toni did not kill CJ. NikoBellic5472, E Revere, 2L8 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
universetwisters Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 On 11/11/2018 at 8:35 AM, NikoBellic5472 said: 1. Okay, yeah. He killed a made man and CJ was not a made man because he was not Italian. As I said before, are they using "made man" in the context of a mafia member, or a "made man" in the context of someone who's "got it made"? I think the latter could make sense, because by the end of San Andreas, CJ has his own airfield, co-owns a casino, is a successful rapper's manager, etc. not to mention a high ranking member of a large street gang. That being said, Sal is not one to make idle threats. He threatens to have CJ killed at the end of San Andreas for performing that casino heist and betraying him, so put two and two together; if Sal can get CJ to fly across the country to whack a guy at Marco's Bistro, Sal can get Toni to fly to Los Santos and kill CJ. And with CJ being affiliated with the Families, Varrios, and the Triads, you've got at least three groups out for blood for whoever killed CJ, hence causing Toni to flee the country or whatever while Sal can neither confirm nor deny that he sent anyone to kill CJ and he doesn't even know anyone named Toni. It's within the realm of possibility, considering how vague the details are about this "made man" that it could be CJ that Sal sent Toni to kill, as it's also within the realm of possibility that Sal wanted to kill CJ for robbing his casino. Algonquin Assassin, NikoBellic5472 and 2L8 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reyiz Kovan Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 (edited) On 11/16/2018 at 2:12 AM, Gtaman_92 said: low level Street Gangster He was that at the begining of the game but he became somethin else after a while,he has a casino,has a garage, has a street gang,has an airfield,has a jetcpack,has his mom's old house,has some vehicles,has a lot of big friends like cesar and woozie,has some money etc.,aint that enough to be a poweful man Edited December 10, 2018 by Reyiz Kovan Rk NikoBellic5472, The Made Man, String and 3 others 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikoBellic5472 Posted November 24, 2018 Author Share Posted November 24, 2018 On 11/16/2018 at 4:42 AM, Gtaman_92 said: Why would Toni have to leave LC just for killing a low level Street Gangster on the other side of the country? Also Toni killed a made man and made man’s can only be full Italian. Oh yeah. CJ is not made because he ain't Italian... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sorviknight Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 The casino heist is optional though, CJ could have not betrayed Salvatore NikoBellic5472 and ChasingCoyote 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Busta Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 (edited) Maybe Toni killed Woozie not CJ because he was the one who had problems with the Italian mafia from the beginning of the Las Venturas part Edited December 20, 2019 by DR:BUSTA Max.pain, NikoBellic5472, 2L8 and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancerator Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 (edited) On 12/7/2018 at 9:33 PM, SorveteQuente said: The casino heist is optional though, CJ could have not betrayed Salvatore i'm pretty sure that despite it being optional everything that complements to the 100% is canon, moreover it has a proper cutscene like the concessionaire from vice city nonetheless - i'm more than sure that cj wasn't taken out by toni Edited December 11, 2018 by SMACKED! Jeansowaty, NikoBellic5472 and Reyiz Kovan 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reyiz Kovan Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 43 minutes ago, SMACKED! said: i'm pretty sure that despite it being optional everything that complements to the 100% is canon, moreover it has a proper cutscene like the concessionaire from vice city nonetheless - i'm more than sure that cj wasn't taken out by toni Yeap,u right,that was canon NikoBellic5472 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4nsmiley Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 I doubt that Toni could kill CJ. Jeansowaty, NikoBellic5472 and The Made Man 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max.pain Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 something that coulda been in lcs thread this is like a mystery but i want to take sal’s phonecall serious, i even expected to see cj in lcs at some parts but no it didn’t happen. i’m surprised how they never talked about who toni killed, some say that was more like an italian mafia guy but there’s a high chance it is cj if it’s not someone italian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flawleagle Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 wasnt cj alive in 5? tons of hints towards that. i read somewhere that the grafiti walls in iv were not cannon. cant confirm it for sure though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lil weasel Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 3 hours ago, flawleagle said: wasnt cj alive in 5? tons of hints towards that. i read somewhere that the grafiti walls in iv were not cannon. cant confirm it for sure though Five is a different Universe, so it would not matter. flawleagle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eriahslon Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 I highly doubt that,after you beat the game CJ is like a literal hitman.Toni is a enforcer in the Salvatore family,so I doubt he'd be able to compete against Carl. Jeansowaty 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Algonquin Assassin Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 I don't care if it'll never be known for certain, but I like the idea that Toni whacked the little punk and got what he deserved regardless. F*ck him. Max.pain, Carl Theft Kumar and universetwisters 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max.pain Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 3 hours ago, Eriahslon said: I highly doubt that,after you beat the game CJ is like a literal hitman.Toni is a enforcer in the Salvatore family,so I doubt he'd be able to compete against Carl. it probably wouldn’t matter, johnny was a real killer too but he easily got killed. it’s kinda a matter of luck i think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eriahslon Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 On 12/11/2019 at 4:24 PM, Max.pain said: it probably wouldn’t matter, johnny was a real killer too but he easily got killed. it’s kinda a matter of luck i think. Yeah I guess. Max.pain 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamergirl4559 Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 On 11/10/2018 at 12:49 PM, NikoBellic5472 said: Okay. So, I have a theory. When you rob the casino in GTA SA. Salvatore calls and says that he will have him killed. Toni kills someone in 1994 and returns in 1998. So, maybe Salvatore was so pissed off at CJ that he sent Toni to kill CJ. And Toni had to go to hiding for 4 years because he had to protect himself from Grove Street Families? And when the dust settles, Toni returns to Liberty City? No not true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2L8 Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 On 12/11/2019 at 2:53 PM, Algonquin Assassin said: I don't care if it'll never be known for certain, but I like the idea that Toni whacked the little punk and got what he deserved regardless. F*ck him. back when you was in your 'GTA SA Hater' phase, huh. Algonquin Assassin and Carl Theft Kumar 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Algonquin Assassin Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 (edited) 10 hours ago, 2L8 said: back when you was in your 'GTA SA Hater' phase, huh. It wasn’t so much of a phase as I was probably just being a dickhead. Honestly I don’t even the last time I said anything bad about San Andreas. It’s actually a great game (all things considered), but I guess I just never gave it or CJ the chance it deserved. I really hate seeing some of my old posts lol. They’re pretty cringey, but everyone has a past I suppose. Edited March 14 by Algonquin Assassin 2L8 and String 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
