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NikoBellic5472

Toni, CJ, Salvatore Theory...

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NikoBellic5472

Okay. So, I have a theory.

When you rob the casino in GTA SA. Salvatore calls and says that he will have him killed.

Toni kills someone in 1994 and returns in 1998. So, maybe Salvatore was so pissed off at CJ that he sent Toni to kill CJ.

And Toni had to go to hiding for 4 years because he had to protect himself from Grove Street Families? And when the dust settles, Toni returns to Liberty City?

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Reyiz Kovan
2 hours ago, NikoBellic5472 said:

Okay. So, I have a theory.

When you rob the casino in GTA SA. Salvatore calls and says that he will have him killed.

Toni kills someone in 1994 and returns in 1998. So, maybe Salvatore was so pissed off at CJ that he sent Toni to kill CJ.

And Toni had to go to hiding for 4 years because he had to protect himself from Grove Street Families? And when the dust settles, Toni returns to Liberty City?

I don't believe this happened but there was someone already said this "apart from grove street part" you wrote,i think it was called "how toni killed cj" in gta lcs forum.Also i'm not 100% sure this didn't happen,but i hope it did not.

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DirtCheap

I honestly don't know why people believe in this theory

 

10 hours ago, NikoBellic5472 said:

Toni kills someone in 1994 and returns in 1998. So, maybe Salvatore was so pissed off at CJ that he sent Toni to kill CJ.

It's said that Toni killed a "made-man" (a mafia man) which led him into hiding to hide from the mob. Unless CJ is secretly an Italian mafioso, I doubt this point.

 

 

10 hours ago, NikoBellic5472 said:

And Toni had to go to hiding for 4 years because he had to protect himself from Grove Street Families? And when the dust settles, Toni returns to Liberty City?

No offense or anything, but did you even play SA or LCS? The Leone Family is an organised crime syndicate which has immense power in Liberty City and parts of Las Venturas. I highly doubt such a powerful mob will be afraid of a small gang that's growing weaker day by day.

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NikoBellic5472
9 hours ago, DirtCheap said:

I honestly don't know why people believe in this theory

 

It's said that Toni killed a "made-man" (a mafia man) which led him into hiding to hide from the mob. Unless CJ is secretly an Italian mafioso, I doubt this point.

 

 

No offense or anything, but did you even play SA or LCS? The Leone Family is an organised crime syndicate which has immense power in Liberty City and parts of Las Venturas. I highly doubt such a powerful mob will be afraid of a small gang that's growing weaker day by day.

1. Okay, yeah. He killed a made man and CJ was not a made man because he was not Italian.

2. At the end Grove Street families becomes strong... So, maybe they could kill Toni... But it's just a theory...

19 hours ago, NikoBellic5472 said:

Okay. So, I have a theory.

When you rob the casino in GTA SA. Salvatore calls and says that he will have him killed.

Toni kills someone in 1994 and returns in 1998. So, maybe Salvatore was so pissed off at CJ that he sent Toni to kill CJ.

And Toni had to go to hiding for 4 years because he had to protect himself from Grove Street Families? And when the dust settles, Toni returns to Liberty City?

I did not invent this theory myself and I read it from a YouTube Comment.

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Motka

How would it have taken 2 years to get the job done?

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Evil empire

The GTA stories are fictional, nothing happens outside of the scenario. And why would Toni run out of Liberty after killing CJ, especially when the Triads are less powerful at the time of LCS events than in GTA 3 (at least except if I'm wrong)?

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Crossbones

There is a similar thread in LCS section, I guess. 

 

OT- I don't know some people believe this theory. I mean it's clearly mentioned that Toni killed a Made man (a mobster of Italian heritage are the one's who are made as per I know but if the rules of La Cosa Nostra are updated and they have started accepting made guys of all nationalities and ethnicities then I don't know about that) so CJ been a made man is highly unlikely. Then, even if we consider that Toni killed CJ, then tf Toni would leave Liberty City (his home turf which Leones stronghold and where GSF have no existence) and go into hiding in some other place where he could be vulnerable to attacks as he would have no security cover like he has in LC. 

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Gtaman_92

Why would Toni have to leave LC just for killing a low level Street Gangster on the other side of the country?

 

Also Toni killed a made man and made man’s can only be full Italian.

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lil weasel
2 hours ago, Gtaman_92 said:

Why would Toni have to leave LC just for killing a low level Street Gangster on the other side of the country?

 

Also Toni killed a made man and made man’s can only be full Italian.

Well, let's see:

Tradition,

Honour,

Revenge.

Family,

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Jeansowaty

again the same old story. no. Toni did not kill CJ.

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universetwisters
On 11/11/2018 at 8:35 AM, NikoBellic5472 said:

1. Okay, yeah. He killed a made man and CJ was not a made man because he was not Italian.

 

As I said before, are they using "made man" in the context of a mafia member, or a "made man" in the context of someone who's "got it made"? I think the latter could make sense, because by the end of San Andreas, CJ has his own airfield, co-owns a casino, is a successful rapper's manager, etc. not to mention a high ranking member of a large street gang. That being said, Sal is not one to make idle threats. He threatens to have CJ killed at the end of San Andreas for performing that casino heist and betraying him, so put two and two together; if Sal can get CJ to fly across the country to whack a guy at Marco's Bistro, Sal can get Toni to fly to Los Santos and kill CJ. And with CJ being affiliated with the Families, Varrios, and the Triads, you've got at least three groups out for blood for whoever killed CJ, hence causing Toni to flee the country or whatever while Sal can neither confirm nor deny that he sent anyone to kill CJ and he doesn't even know anyone named Toni.

 

It's within the realm of possibility, considering how vague the details are about this "made man" that it could be CJ that Sal sent Toni to kill, as it's also within the realm of possibility that Sal wanted to kill CJ for robbing his casino. 

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Reyiz Kovan
On 11/16/2018 at 2:12 AM, Gtaman_92 said:

low level Street Gangster

He was that at the begining of the game but he became somethin else after a while,he has a casino,has a garage, has a street gang,has an airfield,has a jetcpack,has his mom's old house,has some vehicles,has a lot of big friends like cesar and woozie,has some money etc.,aint that enough to be a poweful man

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NikoBellic5472
On 11/16/2018 at 4:42 AM, Gtaman_92 said:

Why would Toni have to leave LC just for killing a low level Street Gangster on the other side of the country?

 

Also Toni killed a made man and made man’s can only be full Italian.

Oh yeah. CJ is not made because he ain't Italian...

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SorveteQuente

The casino heist is optional though, CJ could have not betrayed Salvatore 👀

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DR:BUSTA

Maybe Toni killed Woozie not CJ because he was the one who had problems with the Italian mafia from the beginning of the Las Venturas part

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Lancerator
On 12/7/2018 at 9:33 PM, SorveteQuente said:

The casino heist is optional though, CJ could have not betrayed Salvatore 👀

i'm pretty sure that despite it being optional everything that complements to the 100% is canon, moreover it has a proper cutscene like the concessionaire from vice city

nonetheless - i'm more than sure that cj wasn't taken out by toni

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Reyiz Kovan
43 minutes ago, SMACKED! said:

i'm pretty sure that despite it being optional everything that complements to the 100% is canon, moreover it has a proper cutscene like the concessionaire from vice city

nonetheless - i'm more than sure that cj wasn't taken out by toni

Yeap,u right,that was canon

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4nsmiley

I doubt that Toni could kill CJ. 

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Max.pain

something that coulda been in lcs thread

 

this is like a mystery but i want to take sal’s phonecall serious, i even expected to see cj in lcs at some parts but no it didn’t happen. 

 

i’m surprised how they never talked about who toni killed, some say that was more like an italian mafia guy but there’s a high chance it is cj if it’s not someone italian

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flawleagle

wasnt cj alive in 5? tons of hints towards that. i read somewhere that the grafiti walls in iv were not cannon. cant confirm it for sure though

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lil weasel
3 hours ago, flawleagle said:

wasnt cj alive in 5? tons of hints towards that. i read somewhere that the grafiti walls in iv were not cannon. cant confirm it for sure though

Five is a different Universe, so it would not matter.

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Eriahslon

I highly doubt that,after you beat the game CJ is like a literal hitman.Toni is a enforcer in the Salvatore family,so I doubt he'd be able to compete against Carl.

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Algonquin Assassin

I don't care if it'll never be known for certain, but I like the idea that Toni whacked the little punk and got what he deserved regardless.  F*ck him. 

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Max.pain
3 hours ago, Eriahslon said:

I highly doubt that,after you beat the game CJ is like a literal hitman.Toni is a enforcer in the Salvatore family,so I doubt he'd be able to compete against Carl.

it probably wouldn’t matter, johnny was a real killer too but he easily got killed. it’s kinda a matter of luck i think.

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Eriahslon
On 12/11/2019 at 4:24 PM, Max.pain said:

it probably wouldn’t matter, johnny was a real killer too but he easily got killed. it’s kinda a matter of luck i think.

Yeah I guess.

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