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GreetRevenge

Did the ending ruined the game for you?

Did the ending ruined the game for you?  

174 members have voted

  1. 1. Did the ending ruined the game for you?

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mehoe123

Started coughing quite early in the story, it was super easy to predict. And I'm not even done the story yet

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Cutter De Blanc

I guess when I want to play as a boring little goody-two shoes I'll play as John, when I want to play like normal though, I'll play as Arthur

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0223998743

I'm not even there yet but, it's not going to ruin the game..but the free roam and role playing? I think it will, for me, as I feel nothing for John, he is just blank in my mind.

 

I'm spending many hours with Arthur, I feel connected to him, he is the main protagonist to me. And now I'm going to be forced to play as John ?

ridiculous.

 

75 hours with Arthur, exploring, experiencing, being a killer, living in the wilderness, living in town, being a hunter etc You create a bond with that character and then POOF, just like that it's gone. 

Yeah right.

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sodoff

The ending didn't really blow up the game for me. As soon as John showed up in the story we all knew this would be about the events leading up to John becoming a failed farmer etc in RDR. No big surprises there.

 

The choice to let us explore the open world after the story was told, with a character that has no future, was not the best idea ever it seemed.  So where do you go with a character who has no future? Making up your own story as you ramble along the old west is no fun when you know how it all ends.

 

When Arthur's fate seems decided after the news of the illness, I was thinking "who will survive to carry on with after the story line is done?". The prospect of playing a vengeful Sadie Adler on a campaign of ruthless armed feminism seemed like one of the premium outcomes I could hope for. At no point did I ever imagine I'd be ending up playing John in single player again. Because John is destined to become a failed farmer, no matter what you do. Try running the farm for just a couple of weeks, you'll see....

 

So where must i go to fulfill my desire for telling my own story? Cleverly Rockstar has left me no alternative but RDR2 Online. Well played R*

 

Only one complaint then, I have to wait until the end of the month to get started. In the meantime, Make sure to have an early save available, preferably post-snow.

 

 

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Pocket Fox

Storywise I thought it was incredibly powerful.

Gameplay wise...yeah it was terrible. Guarma and onwards is just one loooooooooooooooong mission where you don't feel like doing anything much in the open world, because it'd feel out of place. I just felt like completing the story and rushing through content, which took 2-3 days of solid playing.

 

I could play as Arthur,  have all guns and items unlocked as well as the entire map. I don't really care for John. You go from a character who can swim and says 'good girl' 'good boy' to his horse to some dolt who can't swim and says 'good!........boy' "good!.........girl' to his horse.

 

Like really, did they record John saying 'good' and 'girl/boy' separate?' it feels like it sometimes :s

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The Algerian
1 minute ago, Pocket Fox said:

Storywise I thought it was incredibly powerful.

Gameplay wise...yeah it was terrible. Guarma and onwards is just one loooooooooooooooong mission where you don't feel like doing anything much in the open world, because it'd feel out of place. I just felt like completing the story and rushing through content, which took 2-3 days of solid playing.

Complete agreement there, I did not feel like going hunting, fishing, treasure searching after Guarma, when everything went to hell, and even less when Arthur got diagnosed on top of it.

 

1 minute ago, Pocket Fox said:

I don't really care for John. You go from a character who can swim and says 'good girl' 'good boy' to his horse to some dolt who can't swim and says 'good!........boy' "good!.........girl' to his horse.

Like really, did they record John saying 'good' and 'girl/boy' separate?' it feels like it sometimes :s

Honestly, despite what everyone fools themselves into believing, John's voice actor's never really been that good. There's a lot of things like those in RDR2 and a few moments like these in RDR1 as well.

Check the moment uncle dies for instance, completely undercut by John shouting that there's nothing they can do for him now, when he was clearly meant to say it in a much calmer manner.

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Oldsport
11 hours ago, oCrapaCreeper said:

Most likely because he's dead.

obviously i was quoting the other guy who said itll feel weird to freeroam as arthur

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Jason
2 hours ago, The Algerian said:

Check the moment uncle dies for instance, completely undercut by John shouting that there's nothing they can do for him now, when he was clearly meant to say it in a much calmer manner.

That has absolutely nothing to do with the voice actor, that's a director thing.

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The Algerian
1 hour ago, Jason said:

That has absolutely nothing to do with the voice actor, that's a director thing.

Then why does it happen with John so often and Arthur so rarely?

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bennagle109

As many here have said, from a story perspective the ending was incredibly powerful. Not going to lie, I got some dust in my eyes when Arthur turned towards the rising sun and took his very last breath. The epilogue does nicely link both games, however it would be nice to have the option to play as Arthur again on completion. I know if wouldnt make much sense to play again as aperfectly well Arthur, but I’m not ready to let his character go. Luckily I have a save just before the last set of missions, but there is not incentive to go back when I’m aiming for 100% completion.   

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Jason
10 minutes ago, The Algerian said:

Then why does it happen with John so often and Arthur so rarely?

I dunno? I assume that's what Rockstar wanted?

 

It's up to the directors to get the performance they want out of the actor so I can only assume they got what they wanted from Rob Wiethoff, especially given that they had years to make sure they did.

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Cratoz
8 hours ago, The Algerian said:

Complete agreement there, I did not feel like going hunting, fishing, treasure searching after Guarma, when everything went to hell, and even less when Arthur got diagnosed on top of it.

 

 

I actually really like that as it made sense in the context of the story.

The gang got pushed back more and more and in my opinion it cleverly delivered the pressure Arthur and the rest is going through.

The game naturally as the story goes on shifts from a more "free roamy" approach to how the game feels to this tightened experience and said pressure as hell unleashes, especially with Micah's betrayal and Dutch becoming more insane, even more so with Arthur's sickniss and in his search of meaning in life.

 

Sure technically you could have still go for treasure hunting and all that stuff but from my point it was clever how it seemed that you naturally focus more on the story after that, in my experience anyways as it would be kinda weird to just brush aside all the sh*t going on currently and act like you still have all the time in the world when in fact, Arthur was dying.

 

I completed chapter 6 yesterday and it certainly was impactful and emotional. I had this idea before that maybe we gonna play as John, but I always hoped that there is some healing. But it helps nothing. We all die, and the way Rockstar pulled this off is a very mature and respectful way for Arthur to go. But we have to let him go, his story is done. And I'm sure he died knowing doing the right thing (if you decide so though). A huge influence in John's character development in the first game and his motivation to decide to die for his family. A part of Arthurs character lives on in John if you know RDR1.

 

And I'm certain the legacy of this character will be way, way more meaningful when we look back at this in a few years.

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Jabalous

I like how Arthur's ending and dreamy views of an animal wandering in front of him is dependent on the Honor level. In my case, it was a deer all along up until his death at the top of the mountain. That's a true Redemption story, one that's a satisfying closure to the Redemption universe. 

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Fatsanchez
6 hours ago, The Algerian said:

Complete agreement there, I did not feel like going hunting, fishing, treasure searching after Guarma, when everything went to hell, and even less when Arthur got diagnosed on top of it.

I’ve felt the exact same way, and I’m sure many people here will agree. Which to me proves how incredible storytellers R* can be.

 

I got one of the good endings. And to be honest, story-wise, the bad endings are so much more impactful. I mean they sure make sense, I got Arthur to die in the most “peaceful” way possible. But when I got to see the bad ending, woa... it just sent shivers down my spine. Very heavy stuff, specially because I was so hooked to Arthur. I have to say I also got a little frustrated after I got to the Epilogue but honestly I think it just shows how powerful this story is. Everything comes together beautifully and at the same time its all so sad.

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ThroatSlasher2

Lol at all the people who were praising John for 8 years and now act as if he's a shallow shell with no personality. Talk about having a short memory.

 

Give me a break you dimwits.

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0223998743

Started chapter 6, the more I play the more I'm losing motivation.

I'm just rushing through the game now..and as for now I can't see how I'm going to continue to explore and roam the game after the end.

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Jabalous
3 hours ago, ThroatSlasher2 said:

Lol at all the people who were praising John for 8 years and now act as if he's a shallow shell with no personality. Talk about having a short memory.

 

Give me a break you dimwits.

True. John has his own personality and charm and we all had a good time with him in Redemption. I enjoyed the time I had with Arthur and him. 

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Journey_95

The ending is a masterpiece and makes the story of the game even better than it already was.  I remember similiar butthurt reactions after RDR1's ending..seems like people just like their safe boring stories with no consequences

3 hours ago, ThroatSlasher2 said:

Lol at all the people who were praising John for 8 years and now act as if he's a shallow shell with no personality. Talk about having a short memory.

 

Give me a break you dimwits.

Both are amazing characters and some of the best MC's in gaming, this isn't a competition. I do think that RDR2 had an overall stronger story though

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Meekail

I loved the ending. Only thing I have mixed feelings on is the epilogue. It should've been five hours shorter than it was. 

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ALifeOfMisery

Finished my first play through yesterday and I really liked the ending of the main story.

 

The epilogue felt artificially long, and after so many hours as Arthur I haven't really got any motivation to go around tying up loose ends such as legendary animals as John.

 

After completing the epilogue I forced John to go and pay his respects, because no one will ever mention Arthur again, and this is where my first story will end.

 

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The Algerian
On 11/10/2018 at 7:38 PM, ThroatSlasher2 said:

Lol at all the people who were praising John for 8 years and now act as if he's a shallow shell with no personality. Talk about having a short memory.

 

Give me a break you dimwits.

Who's the dimwit, here, though?
Have you actually seen anyone who's criticizing John here and also praised him for 8 years?

Or is that just your pathetic attempt at invalidating opinions you don't agree with?

 

Don't answer, genius, it's a rhetorical question.

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ivarblaauw

I think the ending was beautiful and actually making me care more for John than I did in the 1st Redemption. If we ever get a Remaster or an add on with rdr1, I think it will be a beautiful end of the book. A book we started with Arthur and ends when his legacy dies because of civilization.

 

No one can outrun the law in the end. Civilization is coming and no one can stop it.

 

To me, the ending is perfect. Yes I teared for Arthur when he died, but at least he redeemed himself. He got his redemption and by doing so, gives John the same chance to be good. 

 

I just wish I knew how Sadie and Charles will live their lives...

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Guest

Storywise, the ending couldn't have been better. From the emotional point of view, f*ck you, R*, for killing Arthur! 

Finishing Arthur's story didn't sit well with me initially, but playing the epilogues explained and settled a lot for me. 

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The N. Bellic Man

I anticipated this kind of ending even before playing this game. So, no I'm not disappointed at all. That being said it would have being great to explore the world as Arthur after the story was finish. But then again storytelling would have suffered if Arthur would have survived.

 

But I don't know why there isn't an option to play as Arthur once you have finished the story. This is a video game after all and after the story is done, what would it matter. Same goes with RDR. Let's hope they release a director mode or something like that. Then you can play as Arthur, Sadie, Dutch or whoever.

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22 minutes ago, The N. Bellic Man said:

But I don't know why there isn't an option to play as Arthur once you have finished the story. This is a video game after all and after the story is done, what would it matter. Same goes with RDR. Let's hope they release a director mode or something like that. Then you can play as Arthur, Sadie, Dutch or whoever.

 

I was wondering the same, but after playing the epilogues it does make a lot of sense. John gets to live because of Arthur. I see John as a sort of Arthur’s legacy and, since John has acces to all of Arthur’s assets, Arthur still is there with him, in a spiritual way. John being a goody 2 shoes is fine, it’s what Arthur wanted him to be, freed from being on the run and make something of his life with hag and kid. 

John’s respect to Arthur is to finish what Arthur started, in several ways. So, I have no problem in finishing hunts, missions and the 100% completion as John, instead of Arthur. 

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ThroatSlasher2
3 hours ago, The Algerian said:

Who's the dimwit, here, though?
Have you actually seen anyone who's criticizing John here and also praised him for 8 years?

Or is that just your pathetic attempt at invalidating opinions you don't agree with?

 

Don't answer, genius, it's a rhetorical question.

I'm above name dropping, pal.

 

Criticizing John is one thing. Saying he's a bland, useless or empty character is just plain wrong and idiotic.

 

Don't get your panties in a twist now.

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MARKUS.

Arthur and John are really two masterpieces of Rockstar Games. As Roger Clark said (voice actor of Arthur). Arthur is only possible because of John and let’s not forget the fact that he’s been the best valuated character of R* for so many people for almost a decade! 

 

For me Arthur even surpassed John, but I recognize that it was very and I mean very difficult challenge R*. And sometimes like the WHERE’S AH MUNEH SCENE and the treat with Mss Downes WHACHU LOOKIN AT WOMAN?! made me so uncomfortable. 

 

The ending for me was so sooo epic. And I hope that Red Dead Redemption 3 we would have to chance to play as Hosea Mattews on his 40s and see Arthur on his 20s and how they know John. Hosea is a very interesting character for me. (Hopefully we could play it in less than 8 years)

 

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The1raven

For me, I voted yes, even though it didn't really ruin the game, I was completely unsatisfied.  I knew Arthur would die as soon as he was diagnosed with TB.  

 

First, they have Arthur put on the hat THEY chose and not my hat.  Unsatisfying.

 

Second, Arthur gets there (camp) and begins talking instead of shooting and STILL trying convince Dutch.  Unsatisfying.

 

Then after ANOTHER long convoluted battle/chase/fistfight, Arthur lays down and dies while Micah walks away.  Unsatisfying.

 

Epilogue.  The whole time, I'm wondering what happened to the big wad of money  Arthur sent along with Sadie, Tilly and Jack.  Why are they looking for jobs and asking for bank loans?  Unsatisfying.

 

Then I FINALLY get to go after Micah....they switch my outfit, twice.  Unsatisfying.  I get to Micah and more talking?!  Unsatisfying.  I'm not allowed to use my dead eye or auto aim, so Micah seems like a total [email protected]$$.  Unsatisfying.  Then Sadie gets the drop on him and starts TALKING?!  Unsatisfying.  Dutch gets the kill.  Lame.  Incredibly unsatisfying.

 

I still love the sights and sounds and hunting and fishing.  But even though the story telling was very good, the story missions were just aggravating and unsatisfying.  

 

Oh, and I really do like the combat, but I think they went a little overboard with massive armies of people I had to fight EVERY time.  It got way to predictable and as a result was a little boring just through the shear tedium.

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Cutter De Blanc

I found the epilogue to be almost completely pointless and jam packed with filler missions

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Self-Destructive Man

^yeah, I liked the epilogue, but I admit it, it was nothing but filler missions, just to show us the gap between Arthur's death and what leads to Ross finding Beechers Hope, and also something to make New Austin not completely unused.

 

On another note, I feel that playing with John it's weird. There's nothing that I wanted more in my gaming life than a Red Dead game where we could actually play with John after the credits roll. If you count UN as a standalone game, that's 2 games where we can't play with him after the story is finished (Zombie John doesn't count), but yet, it feels weird here, playing with John after the game is beaten. To me at least, it feels like John is not a character meant to be played without a goal in mind, if that makes any sense.

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