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Grotti Vigilante

YouTube Spoilers: Whose at Fault?

After reading the original post, who do you think is at fault?  

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  1. 1. After reading the original post, who do you think is at fault?

    • The uploaders of the YouTube video.
      28
    • The users searching for YouTube videos.
      8
    • Both of them are at fault to an extent.
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    • I'm not really sure.
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Grotti Vigilante

Now because the game is still relatively new and because this isn't really about the game itself, I ask that people refrain from direct spoilers unless necessary, in which case you hide it in text. But ultimately, spoilers are what I want to start discussing. Having beaten the game, I have checked out several YouTube videos of my favourite cutscenes in the game to see people's reactions in the comment section, yet what I often see is people going on about how the uploading user has ruined the game for them, and I've even seen this happen in replies to certain comments containing spoilers.

 

You might argue that the ones uploading the video should add (SPOILER) to the title, in which case I would say it's not unreasonable to ask for, but ultimately I find myself getting frustrated with comments complaining about spoilers because this is the internet, and they are willingly choosing to click on a video about Red Dead Redemption II. During my play-through I made efforts not to look for videos on the internet I hadn't seen before (though I was so addicted to the game I barely got on the internet anyway) and only now I've beaten it have I decided to watch it in certain areas again.

 

My personal thoughts are that the uploaders aren't really at much fault aside from maybe being able to do better in regards to the title, because really anyone searching for videos about a game should know of the risks of spoilers. But that's just my opinion, what is your own? Let's try to keep this discussion civil even, I don't wish to start any huge arguments and get in trouble. Aside from that, talk away...

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MostlyPonies

A video should have a spoiler warning in it unless it's an analysis, discussion, review, or specific tutorial. Doesn't need to be in the title, just in the video.

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Maddened_Ghost

Both, if I'm browsing the internet I'd be very cautious, if I'm uploading a video with plot events I'll put a warning at the start of the video and nothing hinting about it in the thumbnail or the title.

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Ash_735

It's just modern day gaming culture sadly, unless you buy a game day one and rush to complete it yourself then SOMEONE will spoil things no matter what. It sucks, yeah, but in an always connected world and in an era where content makers have to be on the ball and push out videos to satisfy their sponsors like Rockstar Games asap then you're always bound to not have anything be a surprise in games anymore, and when you complain about it you just get asses saying "Well if you were a true fan you'd already beat the game!".

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NikosUncle

It’s the stupid f*ckwits who have spoilers in their thumbnails. 

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jje1000

It's the problem of uploaders who intentionally put spoilers in the titles and thumbnails, and Youtube itself, which sometimes promotes these videos making them impossible to avoid.

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universetwisters

I feel like both are at fault because, while it takes no effort to mention in a youtube video that spoilers are ahead, one has to question why anybody who isn't wanting to be spoiled is looking up anything about the game online in the first place. Like complain about youtube all you want, but at the end of the day you're the one who decided to look the game up for whatever reason.

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lol232

The f*ckwits who have spoilers in the titles.

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HelloMyNameIsHuman

The uploaders are not at fault. If you don't want to see something, don't watch it.

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Shadowfennekin

Uploaders. Just from watching Red Dead related content in the past you'll have spoiler titles and thumbnails in your sub feed, not your fault.

 

And let's not forget Powerpyx. They can go f*ck themselves as far as I'm concerned

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roe

I guess it's unavoidable really (without literally avoiding YouTube and the like), but for me there just needs to be a bit of common courtesy.  When I see people uploading videos blatantly spoiling stuff before the game has even come out, that's gonna annoy me.  Same as if it's just a few days later and they know full well what they're posting is spoilery.

It also annoys me when I see videos with things like "(NO SPOILERS)" in the title and then they go on to show clips from half way through the game or talk about things that would most definitely have spoiled their experience if they knew it prior.

Ultimately to stay away from them completely, you just have to go blackout which kinda sucks if you have other interests and don't want to blast through the game in a few days.

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happygrowls

The issue is that even just going on YouTube will recommend a bunch of stuff to you, even if you don't google RDR2 related things it'll still show up on the front page.

 

I literally had to go quickly though the end of the story so I couldn't be spoiled, same with GTA V, I'm just going to have to take a slower, more enjoyable second playthrough at some point.

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fryday
5 hours ago, JuliusCaesar said:

The uploaders are not at fault. If you don't want to see something, don't watch it.

if spoilers are in the title, you will get spoilt by just browsing through youtube, even if you dont search for red dead

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RyuNova

Spoilers in the video title or thumbnail should get you banned. And while I am here I might as well say that vague or misleading video titles and thumbnails should get you banned as well.

Think of it this way, if you are walking through a town with your kids and you see someone railing his wife in the living room through the open window who's fault is it? But if you saw the same thing walking through the Red Light District then whos to blame for your kids seeing that?

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Xerukal

YouTube's recommended videos system is a huge problem.

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HelloMyNameIsHuman
25 minutes ago, fryday said:

if spoilers are in the title, you will get spoilt by just browsing through youtube, even if you dont search for red dead

 

It can happen. Firstly, I can preface and say that I don't mind spoilers. If it is something that must not be spoiled, I will watch/play day and date. If i don't play day and date, I almost need some spoilers to get me interested.

 

It is spoilers that are making me want to play RDR2 at all. I won't say which, I am just saying that first so that we know I have a bias that spoilers are often part of my hype train.

 

That is true that you can get spoiled, my advice is to make sure you play or watch things day and date which you don't want spoiled. The first thing to do when experiencing new or exciting things is to talk with others about it. It can't really be avoided.

 

The air of discretion does need to be spread, though. And rules like special areas of this forum where spoilers will be found are good, to help you not get spoiled.

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Lonely-Martin

Few things can help.

 

The uploader should be more mindful of titles with spoilers.

 

The user should take more care too, highly popular things are often just everywhere. More so when discussing sequels and prequels too as there's potentially a following that know a to date far more than new folk to this for example.

 

The internet as it works. Cookies or whatever, if you use YouTube to game and subscribe to some things, other stuff shows up. So even by searching thus weeks movie trailers or music videos, they know you like RDR2 or whatever.

 

Such a mixed bag.

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DirtCheap

This asshole called Zanar Aesthetics spoiled a major event in the game for me.

This happened all because I watched GTA Series' spoiler-free gameplay video and the asshole's video came up in my recommended all of the sudden.

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Negan009

I've thankfully been avoiding the internet like the plague the past couple of weeks. Enjoyed the story for myself. But those uploaders are the ones to blame for spoilers I think.

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MagicNarcosis

Unwritten rule is in the time.

You usually wait a few weeks before you start dropping spoilers, no?

Who the f*ck really wants to see spoilers from people who rushed through the game? Especially ones who put the spoiler in the title?  (No offense)

I'm trying to find pelts and fix technical issues with legendary animals, I don't wanna know how the story develops further than where I am at currently - in the story. Yet, all these spoilers in between searches, HELLA weeks early. 

 

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The FoolYT

Loads of people get the game early and try to upload footage early to get views. Also loads of people have spoilers in their title or thumbnail to try to get views quickly too. Definitely Youtubers fault when there is no need to spoil that early. I wish i could block certain trash channels from appearing on my recommended.

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universetwisters

I still want to know why it's the youtuber's fault for uploading gameplay spoilers and not the viewer's fault for looking up youtube videos about the game before they beat it. Is there something I'm missing? Like daaamn son it should be simple; if you don't want a game spoiled, what are you doing looking up anything about it before you beat it?

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jje1000
1 hour ago, universetwisters said:

I still want to know why it's the youtuber's fault for uploading gameplay spoilers and not the viewer's fault for looking up youtube videos about the game before they beat it. Is there something I'm missing? Like daaamn son it should be simple; if you don't want a game spoiled, what are you doing looking up anything about it before you beat it?

The problem is that sometimes if you're using Youtube, it shows you recommended videos on your homepage/ ends of videos, and if the youtuber has spoilers in the thumbnail or title, things are spoiled instantly even without watching the video.

Of course, you can make a vow to stay off Youtube, but it makes no sense to avoid it just for some spoilers.

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universetwisters
1 hour ago, jje1000 said:

Of course, you can make a vow to stay off Youtube, but it makes no sense to avoid it just for some spoilers.

 

I feel like if you want to avoid spoilers, just vowing to keep off youtube period until you beat the game is the best way to do it.

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King Vercetti
On November 7, 2018 at 3:37 PM, universetwisters said:

 

I feel like if you want to avoid spoilers, just vowing to keep off youtube period until you beat the game is the best way to do it.

 

It shouldn't have to be that way though, and I think blaming the viewer instead of the uploader is unfair. Not saying you are specifically, but I've seen a lot of people in comments elsewhere say it's the persons fault for looking up RDR videos in the first place. But that's not always the case. For example, I know how the game ends, but I had a video recommended to me the other day that spoils a MAJOR spoiler toward the end of the game. And it was from a channel I don't watch, and I have not searched ANY RDR videos on YouTube in at least a year or two. 

 

 

Edit: and the spoiler was not in the video itself, but the title and thumbnail. I think that's the kind of crap that should be banned and no one should be making excuses for. If someone watches the video and has something spoiled, maybe it is partially their fault, but not if its in the title. 

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universetwisters
3 minutes ago, King Vercetti said:

 

It shouldn't have to be that way though, and I think blaming the viewer instead of the uploader is unfair. Not saying you are specifically, but I've seen a lot of people in comments elsewhere say it's the persons fault for looking up RDR videos in the first place.

 

But then comes the question; why are you looking up Red Dead videos before the game is even finished? If you're looking up walkthroughs, you're spoiling the challenge of doing it yourself. If you're looking up where to find gold, you're spoiling the challenge of, again, exploring yourself and finding it. Either way you're spoiling the game for yourself before you finish it, plotwise or otherwise.

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Lonely-Martin
8 minutes ago, universetwisters said:

But then comes the question; why are you looking up Red Dead videos before the game is even finished? If you're looking up walkthroughs, you're spoiling the challenge of doing it yourself. If you're looking up where to find gold, you're spoiling the challenge of, again, exploring yourself and finding it. Either way you're spoiling the game for yourself before you finish it, plotwise or otherwise.

The trailers were on YouTube, to look at something new doesn't mean to seek spoilers or shortcuts, lol.

 

Just having watched a GTA video too, all R* and all have cookies to 'help' filter content specific to us. That's the internet as a whole. And one glance at anything, the net thinks you want more. Spoilers included.

 

Genuinely, for me as I need to use the internet for work often, it's hard to avoid some crap. (Though I did - But I had good holiday tome saved ;))

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universetwisters
2 minutes ago, Lonely-Martin said:

The trailers were on YouTube, to look at something new doesn't mean to seek spoilers or shortcuts, lol.

 

What is there you could possibly look at online regarding Red Dead Redemption 2 (or any new video game for that matter) that you haven't finished yet? If you really don't want to be spoiled, just err on the side of caution and refrain from looking up anything about the game until you finish it; problem solved!

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Lonely-Martin
1 minute ago, universetwisters said:

 

What is there you could possibly look at online regarding Red Dead Redemption 2 (or any new video game for that matter) that you haven't finished yet? If you really don't want to be spoiled, just err on the side of caution and refrain from looking up anything about the game until you finish it; problem solved!

Yep!

 

Because life's work and pleasures all must cease so some 4 eyed bel-end can make a quick buck.

 

Nope!

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universetwisters
2 minutes ago, Lonely-Martin said:

Yep!

 

Because life's work and pleasures all must cease so some 4 eyed bel-end can make a quick buck.

 

Nope!

 

That literally doesn't answer my question but okay

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