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djb204

November is here, BETA release date?

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VolumeRX
On 11/8/2018 at 6:07 PM, Gallows said:

I’d rather play a beta, than wait six months for release. Besides, it may be better having that kind of test and fix/balance the game, than doing it Internally and releasing a version where things have been “fixed” and it’s considered finished.

LOL do you legit believe that it's a BETA? hahaha
GTA V's Online Launched a few weeks after the SP. it was a horrible mess, now they have an excuse, release the Online version they have, call it a BETA just incase it's a horrible mess too.

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D T
12 hours ago, vnus_dmlo said:

depends on how much of the player base sticks to gtao after rdr online comes out

guess it’s RIP in pepperonis for gta then

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IamCourtney

Enh, most of my PSN friends list of about 150 are from GTAO, and more of them are still playing that or other games than are playing RDR2.

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Gallows
49 minutes ago, VolumeRX said:

LOL do you legit believe that it's a BETA? hahaha
GTA V's Online Launched a few weeks after the SP. it was a horrible mess, now they have an excuse, release the Online version they have, call it a BETA just incase it's a horrible mess too.

I don’t really care. I’m just happy they are doing online. You can always find something to complain about in life and some people get more out of life by complaining about the bad than experiencing the good.

 

I did not like GTAO, but hope this is less silly and more authentic.

 

I’ll reserve my judgement for after having played it for a while.

 

What I do legit believe is that I’m not worried and neither am I convinced RDO will be brilliant. I’ll do the sensible thing and make up my mind when it makes sense to do so. Complaining right now won’t change a thing either way.

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VolumeRX
3 minutes ago, Gallows said:

I don’t really care. I’m just happy they are doing online. You can always find something to complain about in life and some people get more out of life by complaining about the bad than experiencing the good.

 

I did not like GTAO, but hope this is less silly and more authentic.

 

I’ll reserve my judgement for after having played it for a while.

 

What I do legit believe is that I’m not worried and neither am I convinced RDO will be brilliant. I’ll do the sensible thing and make up my mind when it makes sense to do so. Complaining right now won’t change a thing either way.

I was only stating that it's not actually a Beta, it's the MP, labelled as a Beta so they have an excuse for the lash-out and mess last seen with GTAO, I am actually excited for RDOnline

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Gallows
1 minute ago, VolumeRX said:

I was only stating that it's not actually a Beta, it's the MP, labelled as a Beta so they have an excuse for the lash-out and mess last seen with GTAO, I am actually excited for RDOnline

It may be so, but on the flip side it also means they can treat it like a beta and not a finished product, changing core mechanics around that they might not do on a finished product. I think you are right that having a beta tag may justify bugs but since we know how GTAO was at release it makes sense for them to admit, that they may not be able to release a finished product until players have ripped into it for real.

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elfoam
On 11/8/2018 at 5:38 PM, Alex Francisco said:

Are you implying that Red Dead Redemption 2 is an unfinished game? Or did you only buy it for the online part?

I bought a copy a while ago but left it in the shop, I'm picking it up when online is released. That should explain it. I will play story mode as much as I played it on GTAV = not at all

 

On 11/8/2018 at 6:34 PM, ASMorgan said:

Who needs links when you have Google?

 

Some dude from Rockstar or TakeTwo said yesterday (11/7) that Red Dead Redemption Online will be released "towards the end of the month".

 

Up until now all I had heard/read was "mid-November".

 

Sure, maybe they both mean the same thing, but with being kept in the dark, let the speculations continue! With this newest comment, what dates are you predicting for RDRO to roll out? I'd be real surprised if this doesn't get released until Black Friday.

Still coming on the 27th like I said up there ^

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Smokewood
On 11/11/2018 at 4:47 PM, VolumeRX said:

I was only stating that it's not actually a Beta, it's the MP, labelled as a Beta so they have an excuse for the lash-out and mess last seen with GTAO, I am actually excited for RDOnline

That glass of yours is always 1/2 empty, isn't it?

They don't need an excuse... seriously.

You guys who think in this paranoid way always give me a chuckle.

No matter what the online launch is like it is the quality of the content once stable that will determine if it is a success or not.

On 11/9/2018 at 6:00 AM, RyuNova said:

 

No-one is forcing me to play the "BETA" but you would think that a company that has made over a billion dollars in MTs and seven hundred and fifty million dollars from RDR2 alone would be able to release the online portion of their game without cowered behind the excuse of a "BETA" would you not?

Like I said further down, I could understand a small Indie Dev/Game doing an Online BETA but R*? Nah.

Then you have never worked in software my friend.

It is impossible to anticipate what will happen when it goes live.

Throwing money at it doesn't help.

Test, adjust, test, adjust, test, adjust until it is stable.

I do it every freakin day at work, even today....

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RyuNova
15 hours ago, Smokewood said:

That glass of yours is always 1/2 empty, isn't it?

They don't need an excuse... seriously.

You guys who think in this paranoid way always give me a chuckle.

No matter what the online launch is like it is the quality of the content once stable that will determine if it is a success or not.

Then you have never worked in software my friend.

It is impossible to anticipate what will happen when it goes live.

Throwing money at it doesn't help.

Test, adjust, test, adjust, test, adjust until it is stable.

I do it every freakin day at work, even today....

 

No, I am realistic and old enough to watch everything with a practised eye. I cant think of any modern game that has had a "BETA" and had a good launch. R* remembers the sh*t that happened with GTA Online and wont make that same mistake again.

I disagree, if the majority of people cant play Online at launch in a somewhat stable setting do you honestly think they are gonna go "Huh, must be because its launch" or are they going to go Online to places like this and slate the game and leave a bad taste in everyones mouth? You know how people still destroy Xbox One for its launch when now its a great console. 

With all due respect I really could not care less if you work in software friend. You wont change my opinion and shame on you for dismissing mine and thinking yours is more valid than mine. I agree that its impossible to predict what will happen but you can get it as damn well close as possible.

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Smokewood
9 minutes ago, RyuNova said:

 

No, I am realistic and old enough to watch everything with a practices eye. I cant think of any modern game that has had a "BETA" and had a good launch. R* remembers the sh*t that happened with GTA Online and wont make that same mistake again.

I disagree, if the majority of people cant play Online at launch in a somewhat stable setting do you honestly think they are gonna go "Huh, must be because its launch" or are they going to go Online to places like this and slate the game and leave a bad taste in everyones mouth? You know how people still destroy Xbox One for its launch when now its a great console. 

With all due respect I really could not care less if you work in software friend. You wont change my opinion and shame on you for dismissing mine and thinking yours is more valid than mine. I agree that its impossible to predict what will happen but you can get it as damn well close as possible.

What mistake did they make? They released an online game to the masses and then dealt with the issues. How is that a mistake? Seriously. 

It should be assumed that nothing will go right at launch, of course.

Star wars galaxy launch was a nightmare.

World of warcraft - a disaster

Star wars the old republic was gated and was a mess.

 

If a messy launch turns people away, they are fools.... the few games I listed turned out to be great successes, hell 2 of them are still running today.

 

Also, I wasn't dismissing your opinion, I was trying to point out that that your expectations are just wrong. In doing so I tried to justify that through my own personal career. You seem to have the opinion that because R* makes so much money that they don't need a BETA. If anything THAT was their mistake with GTAO.

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RyuNova
32 minutes ago, Smokewood said:

What mistake did they make? They released an online game to the masses and then dealt with the issues. How is that a mistake? Seriously. 

It should be assumed that nothing will go right at launch, of course.

Star wars galaxy launch was a nightmare.

World of warcraft - a disaster

Star wars the old republic was gated and was a mess.

 

If a messy launch turns people away, they are fools.... the few games I listed turned out to be great successes, hell 2 of them are still running today.

 

Also, I wasn't dismissing your opinion, I was trying to point out that that your expectations are just wrong. In doing so I tried to justify that through my own personal career. You seem to have the opinion that because R* makes so much money that they don't need a BETA. If anything THAT was their mistake with GTAO.

 

Were you actually around for the launch of GTA Online? As in the first day it was online? It was a f*cking sh*tshow, half the people got trapped in the Clouds and had to reset their entire game and the others either got trapped in a never ending loop of loading after the first race or completed it and got booted back to Single Player everytime. Not to mention the game deleting your character even though the game specifically says that your character is still around and you are only making a temporary one until the servers connect again and then the game saves and you loose your first character who you more than likely spent alot of time making.

I am not expecting a glowing launch but I expect better than that. I expect to be able to actually play the game. Thats all I ask.

I never said they would be disasters, simply that they leave a dirty taste in peoples mouths as the conversations proves.

They make so much money that they DONT need a BETA, they could hire a thousand QA testers to test in private, hell they could hire a million.

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Smokewood
12 minutes ago, RyuNova said:

 

Were you actually around for the launch of GTA Online? As in the first day it was online? It was a f*cking sh*tshow, half the people got trapped in the Clouds and had to reset their entire game and the others either got trapped in a never ending loop of loading after the first race or completed it and got booted back to Single Player everytime. Not to mention the game deleting your character even though the game specifically says that your character is still around and you are only making a temporary one until the servers connect again and then the game saves and you loose your first character who you more than likely spent alot of time making.

I am not expecting a glowing launch but I expect better than that. I expect to be able to actually play the game. Thats all I ask.

I never said they would be disasters, simply that they leave a dirty taste in peoples mouths as the conversations proves.

They make so much money that they DONT need a BETA, they could hire a thousand QA testers to test in private, hell they could hire a million.

No I was not around, but what you are describing is exactly what I would expect from a game this popular when it goes live online.

Yes, I would expect a sh*t-show, a giant mess, and I would fully expect to lose all progress at least once if not more. That's the nature of projects this big.

That's my point, my expectations are set correctly because of the experience I have in my career.

 

Yes they could hire a thousand or a million testers, then they would justifiably pass that cost on to you and me. Why wouldn't they?

Guess what though???? That BETA test would not be enough to find all bugs or even make the game playable.

 

The proven best way to go about this is to open the game to a giant public BETA and then deal with the issues as they happen.

Once the game is stable - wipe everyone's progress and start from scratch on a released product.

 

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RyuNova
11 minutes ago, Smokewood said:

No I was not around, but what you are describing is exactly what I would expect from a game this popular when it goes live online.

Yes, I would expect a sh*t-show, a giant mess, and I would fully expect to lose all progress at least once if not more. That's the nature of projects this big.

That's my point, my expectations are set correctly because of the experience I have in my career.

 

Yes they could hire a thousand or a million testers, then they would justifiably pass that cost on to you and me. Why wouldn't they?

Guess what though???? That BETA test would not be enough to find all bugs or even make the game playable.

 

The proven best way to go about this is to open the game to a giant public BETA and then deal with the issues as they happen.

Once the game is stable - wipe everyone's progress and start from scratch on a released product.

 

 

No, no no no no. It is not what you expect because of your career. It is what the average customer expects and quite frankly they expect a working product. It does not have to be perfect but at least working.

You are the minute minority, I bet if we asked the majority they would agree with me.

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Smokewood
Just now, RyuNova said:

 

No, no no no no. It is not what you expect because of your career. It is what the average customer expects and quite frankly they expect a working product. It does not have to be perfect but at least working.

You are the minute minority, I bet if we asked the majority they would agree with me.

They probably would, but they would probably also say that McDonald's makes great hamburgers.... so take it for what it s worth.

When we think we have a finished product we give it to a BETA team who finds stuff we never even thought of. We only have about 500 customers...imagine how many customers R* has. 

I don't think you are fully grasping the scope of GTAO or RDO.

Can they do what you are asking? Sure...however the release date would be somewhere in 2020.

 

BTW - I'm not arguing with or talking down to anyone if that is how it is coming across, and if so, I apologize. 

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RyuNova
2 minutes ago, Smokewood said:

They probably would, but they would probably also say that McDonald's makes great hamburgers.... so take it for what it s worth.

When we think we have a finished product we give it to a BETA team who finds stuff we never even thought of. We only have about 500 customers...imagine how many customers R* has. 

I don't think you are fully grasping the scope of GTAO or RDO.

Can they do what you are asking? Sure...however the release date would be somewhere in 2020.

 

BTW - I'm not arguing with or talking down to anyone if that is how it is coming across, and if so, I apologize. 

 

No, you are missing the point. I don't expect a perfect and flawless game on release. I expect a game that's playable. That's all. A game that's released and not hiding behind the pathetic "BETA" shield where Devs can use the excuse of "Its just a BETA bro" when sh*t goes wrong. Hiccups can be excused by any sane person but your entire game locking up in the same place for days is unacceptable.

And you are just proving my point, if your company or whomever you work for had BILLIONS and BILLIONS of dollars would you not put out a better and more thorough product. I could understand the BETA tag if this was a small Indie dev but this is like Ford putting a unfinished and untested car in the open market and when someone gets killed they say "Its just a prototype bro!". Should Ford sell cars and then use the excuse of "Well we can let the customers work out the bugs and get back to us"

Again, I dont want a perfect car, I can overlook the radio skipping and the heating not working but I expect the wheels not to fall off. Thats all I am saying.

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Smokewood
15 minutes ago, RyuNova said:

 

No, you are missing the point. I don't expect a perfect and flawless game on release. I expect a game that's playable. That's all. A game that's released and not hiding behind the pathetic "BETA" shield where Devs can use the excuse of "Its just a BETA bro" when sh*t goes wrong. 

Sorry, I didn't read any further than this... how could I? It's rather insulting to be honest.

 

Although game design and software development in general has an element of art to it, it is clearly a science. Like any science it evolves over time. The current best understanding on how to develop software to be the best it can be includes a BETA phase. Single player / non-online games require 1 type of environment for testing whereas online game require a different one. The current best understanding of how to BETA test an online game is to have a huge open BETA to find and repair everything you can in the time allotted. 

 

If you can come up with something better, than please share it with the world - you would probably become extremely wealthy for it.

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MostlyPonies

@RyuNova I wouldn't want them to use the term as an excuse either, but if it's actually a beta release, then I would expect a lot of bugs. RDR2 is already popular on its own, so I dunno why they'd release multiplayer at this point unless it was a beta.

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VolumeRX
15 hours ago, Smokewood said:

That glass of yours is always 1/2 empty, isn't it?

They don't need an excuse... seriously.

You guys who think in this paranoid way always give me a chuckle.

No matter what the online launch is like it is the quality of the content once stable that will determine if it is a success or not.

Then you have never worked in software my friend.

It is impossible to anticipate what will happen when it goes live.

Throwing money at it doesn't help.

Test, adjust, test, adjust, test, adjust until it is stable.

I do it every freakin day at work, even today....

Pfft, other than what I said before which should be enough to make you see it properly, you don't see other games doing that. If someone has an MP Beta, they release a Beta BEFORE the game comes out, no one releases it after... this is an excuse and you are just gonna have to deal with that. I look at it realistically and I know that this isn't actually a beta, just a label to justify for the bugs that will come. every game has bugs especially at launch, but others don't hide behind it.

BFV, BO4, FO76 had ACTUAL Betas, pre-release, not post release. Beta's tend to be released before launch and have an open Beta at one part, but this game will have normal MP, available ONLY to people who bought the game, post launch. called a beta in-case of complaints about bugs. if you fail to see the facts that's your problem.

 

"always half empty" like you know me, right? RDR2 is one of the best games ever, but the game and especially R* aren't free of things to critique because of their practices. atleast this is a very tiny one and I love the game and can't wait for Online to come out.

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fryday
1 hour ago, VolumeRX said:

Pfft, other than what I said before which should be enough to make you see it properly, you don't see other games doing that. If someone has an MP Beta, they release a Beta BEFORE the game comes out, no one releases it after... this is an excuse and you are just gonna have to deal with that. I look at it realistically and I know that this isn't actually a beta, just a label to justify for the bugs that will come. every game has bugs especially at launch, but others don't hide behind it.

BFV, BO4, FO76 had ACTUAL Betas, pre-release, not post release. Beta's tend to be released before launch and have an open Beta at one part, but this game will have normal MP, available ONLY to people who bought the game, post launch. called a beta in-case of complaints about bugs. if you fail to see the facts that's your problem.

 

"always half empty" like you know me, right? RDR2 is one of the best games ever, but the game and especially R* aren't free of things to critique because of their practices. atleast this is a very tiny one and I love the game and can't wait for Online to come out.

you make one mistake: rdo is clearly communicated as a separate game from rdr2. so the beta will be released before the release

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Smokewood
2 hours ago, VolumeRX said:

Pfft, other than what I said before which should be enough to make you see it properly, you don't see other games doing that. If someone has an MP Beta, they release a Beta BEFORE the game comes out, no one releases it after... this is an excuse and you are just gonna have to deal with that. I look at it realistically and I know that this isn't actually a beta, just a label to justify for the bugs that will come. every game has bugs especially at launch, but others don't hide behind it.

BFV, BO4, FO76 had ACTUAL Betas, pre-release, not post release. Beta's tend to be released before launch and have an open Beta at one part, but this game will have normal MP, available ONLY to people who bought the game, post launch. called a beta in-case of complaints about bugs. if you fail to see the facts that's your problem.

 

"always half empty" like you know me, right? RDR2 is one of the best games ever, but the game and especially R* aren't free of things to critique because of their practices. atleast this is a very tiny one and I love the game and can't wait for Online to come out.

An excuse for what?

I've only asked about 12 times now....

An excuse for being careful?

An excuse for doing it differently than GTAO?

 

Would it make you feel better if they said "it's not a beta but stuff is going to not work for a few weeks while we figure it out"?

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Don Johan

This has gone way off topic. This thread is supposed to be about the release date. You guys have different opinions and thats ok, but make a new thread if you want to keep arguing. You just stole 15 minuters of my life looking for a release date. 15 minuters gone forever... 

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KingpinRCR
20 hours ago, fryday said:

you make one mistake: rdo is clearly communicated as a separate game from rdr2. so the beta will be released before the release

This is complete and utter BS.  That may be how it's communicated, but it is NOT a separate standalone game, just like gtao isn't.  You have to buy the sp game to be able to play online, it uses the same map, it uses the same contacts, it is NOT seperate game.

If gtao and rdo are separate games than ALL online mp portions of every other games are separate games.

 

(came here for a release date, got sucked into beating a dead horse, smh)

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fryday

dont blame me for rockstars description of THEIR game. besides that i cant see the point why everybody is so upset about the addition BETA. 

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Gallows
1 hour ago, fryday said:

dont blame me for rockstars description of THEIR game. besides that i cant see the point why everybody is so upset about the addition BETA. 

Getting triggered and then complaining like whatever irrelevant detail is the end of the world is very hip in this superficial modern world, where most people are bored of their safe space life.

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just do it bob1

I think it is going to release on the 27th. 

 

Why?

 

One, because r* is not going to release on the Thanksgiving weekend. They want to max the player base and releasing on that weekend would not work. 

 

Two, because it is on a Tuesday. That is also typically when Rockstar releases games and DLC's. Rockstar also released Grand Theft Auto Online on a Tuesday. Take a look for yourself...

 

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Plus, Rockstar said that RDR Online would release "later" this year. That means it will release way near the end of the month. Take a look at After Hours, which they said would come "later" in July, released on the 24th. This is always the case with Rockstar. 

 

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It could also be on the 29th, sine rocktar has had a history of releasing things on a Thursday as well  

 

I would not get too hyped for online, just based on the mere fact that it could get delayed and could be lack lustered. As of right now, R* has not released any information about RDR Online. We got a GTAO trailer way before the release date, which has not happened for RDR. I am suspecting that R* is still trying to figure out what to do with online. 


Of course, I am not a rockstar insider, so take this with a grain of salt. At most, this is my most educated guess at the release date, backed on the points previously mentioned.

 

At most, based on these points, we can assume that RDR Online will be released on either the 27th or 29th.

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IamCourtney

I think they should release an Alpha first, right this minute, just for us.

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Mike R.L.

yeah I'm ready for this now. hurry up Rockstar 

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Smokewood
On 11/14/2018 at 4:52 AM, VolumeRX said:

Pfft, other than what I said before which should be enough to make you see it properly, you don't see other games doing that. If someone has an MP Beta, they release a Beta BEFORE the game comes out, no one releases it after... this is an excuse and you are just gonna have to deal with that. I look at it realistically and I know that this isn't actually a beta, just a label to justify for the bugs that will come. every game has bugs especially at launch, but others don't hide behind it.

BFV, BO4, FO76 had ACTUAL Betas, pre-release, not post release. Beta's tend to be released before launch and have an open Beta at one part, but this game will have normal MP, available ONLY to people who bought the game, post launch. called a beta in-case of complaints about bugs. if you fail to see the facts that's your problem.

 

"always half empty" like you know me, right? RDR2 is one of the best games ever, but the game and especially R* aren't free of things to critique because of their practices. atleast this is a very tiny one and I love the game and can't wait for Online to come out.

and I would like to point out to you that even though those games had ACTUAL betas - they are still filled with bugs at launch.

Fallout 76 sub reditt:

 

 

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VolumeRX
17 minutes ago, Smokewood said:

and I would like to point out to you that even though those games had ACTUAL betas - they are still filled with bugs at launch.

Fallout 76 sub reditt:

 

 

I KNOW. but they AREN'T excusing and hiding behind it, btw FO76 is not interesting to me at all, I just gave very recent examples so they are fresh memories for you and not something old af

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Smokewood
28 minutes ago, VolumeRX said:

I KNOW. but they AREN'T excusing and hiding behind it, btw FO76 is not interesting to me at all, I just gave very recent examples so they are fresh memories for you and not something old af

Again, excuses for what?

Hiding behind what?

 

It is so far from fact that it doesn't even make sense.

 

My point is that there is no way to reproduce and test  or predict what will happen when a game goes live on-line.

Call it what you will, but a time frame set aside for grand scale testing is a GOOD thing and you are presenting it like it is a BAD thing.

It makes no sense.

 

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