The RDR2 B*tch & Moan Thread

[Guest]

16 hours ago, dognuts said:

Which is funny, because the cover system feels a lot worse in this game than it did in GTA V. I rarely use it, the game's combat feels great run and gunning, and the movement system allows for serpentine maneuvers. They also got rid of that nearly 100% enemy accuracy from GTA V, so that helps with run and gun play too. On PC, or console with real KB/M support, this game's combat would feel amazing.

 

I use cover to reload my guns and get up to empty them on my targets and go back in cover to reload. Whenever I can't shoot back, I take cover. 

[Dayvin]

Wow never though a new game would get bad reviews from a sentence coming from the GTA/Rockstar community so i’ll make a thread about it!!!!!

[Gallows]

21 hours ago, bish0p2004 said:

 

Lol oh damn...I'm so fragile...hold me.

😂 yeah... that modern male feminism is just so odd. Like a strange degenerative cultural mutation.

[Merle Travis]

Unpopular opinion: I don't like the thunder and lightning effects, I think they ruined it from RDR 1. Dont get me wrong, the lightning pillar i excellent. But tell me, why doesnt the whole game light up when it strikes, like in RDR1? Very unrealistic.

[theyorkshirejo]

Right so I KNOW it’s my own fault for not looking where I’m going (either I’m getting away from being shot or it’s on cinematic) but surely my horse smashing directly into a tree isn’t very realistic...? Wouldn’t the horse rear up (like it does on a cliff edge) as if to say “b*tch that’s a tree, look the f*ck out” instead of knowingly running head first into it?

[wagszilla]

Tedious game.

 

Constantly at odds with video game fantasy and realism, never coalescing into anything other than a mass market shooter with a basket full of frustrating decisions.

 

Arthur’s story covers over a multitude of sins, many remain uncovered.

 

Its the first R* game I’m not looking forward to revisiting

[Emmi]

John's prologue + end-game hair ... a simple 1:1 copy-paste of Arthurs! WTF was R* thinking??? Literally destroying the iconic look of John.

 

Also to access the inventory by holding down the right button is a pain in the ass! It won't even work if there's a notification (of the item you've chosen seconds ago) pops up. You have to wait till its gone.

 

Oh and the day-night + weather transitions are all over the place. Goes from thunderstorm to sunniest day on earth within half a second!

 

I enjoy the mini-tasks a lot which you can do at the camp/Beechers Hope but damn, is it really necessary that we place the items EXACTLY on the yellow dot the map tells us? I mean come on, it's a bit ridiculous in a 2018 game ... they could have marked a bigger area yellow where we are allowed to place the stuff.

Edited November 20, 2018 by Emmi

[Gallows]

7 hours ago, xjodielaura said:

Right so I KNOW it’s my own fault for not looking where I’m going (either I’m getting away from being shot or it’s on cinematic) but surely my horse smashing directly into a tree isn’t very realistic...? Wouldn’t the horse rear up (like it does on a cliff edge) as if to say “b*tch that’s a tree, look the f*ck out” instead of knowingly running head first into it?

Your horse runs into trees when you force it to do so. You may think you try to stear around the tree when you in reality are fighting your horse and end up hitting a tree. Well trained horses do in fact crash into stuff, you see it all the time in horse sport events. If the horse was left to it’s own you are right, it most likely wouldn’t have crashed. 99% of the time it’s the riders fault in real life and it’s damn close to that in te game too.

 

You must respect the limitations of your horse and your control over it. Once you get experienced with this it is possible to ride through a forest or Saint denise at good speed without hitting trees or people. You need to get used to your horse and know when to take control, give it control, calm it and when to slow down to avoid the inevitable collision.

 

 

1 hour ago, Emmi said:

John's prologue + end-game hair ... a simple 1:1 copy-paste of Arthurs! WTF was R* thinking??? Literally destroying the iconic look of John.

If I were to explain over reaction to someone, this would be a great example.

 

Johns hair is different from Arthurs and you can make him look like the original. His beard is much thinner, and does not get as full as arthurs. 

[Hit by Lightning]

I dunno if this intentional or an oversight by the devs , but they left all gold bars from the main campaign in the epilogue. So John's moaning about his money problems doesn't make a lot of sense. I got $1000 from 2 gold bars I found "thanks to youtube!". If it's an oversight I hope they fix it and force John Marston to gain money in an honourable way "robbing, stealing and killing! 😁"

[ProKiller93]

bill and javier should've been more important in the story

[theyorkshirejo]

I’m convinced the game doesn’t want me to finish this challenge for shooting birds off a moving train. 

I need 1 more. 

So I’m riding around for about 30 minutes and can’t find a single train so I think I might as well just go and buy a ticket so I do. 

I get off the train, planning to ride alongside and jump on once it gets moving. 

I wait around for about 10 minutes and the train doesn’t move an inch. Awesome. 

I ride to the next station, buy another ticket, get off the train and the SAME thing happens. The train just won’t budge. 

 

So I go to another station and FINALLY the train starts moving so I jump across and would you believe it? Through THREE towns and not a single damn bird. 

 

So i’m waiting still on the train, stood doing nothing but looking around for birds. We’re between towns, in the middle of nowhere and can you guess? WANTED: crime reported. 

 

*sigh*

[Gallows]

19 minutes ago, xjodielaura said:

I’m convinced the game doesn’t want me to finish this challenge for shooting birds off a moving train. 

I need 1 more. 

So I’m riding around for about 30 minutes and can’t find a single train so I think I might as well just go and buy a ticket so I do. 

I get off the train, planning to ride alongside and jump on once it gets moving. 

I wait around for about 10 minutes and the train doesn’t move an inch. Awesome. 

I ride to the next station, buy another ticket, get off the train and the SAME thing happens. The train just won’t budge. 

 

So I go to another station and FINALLY the train starts moving so I jump across and would you believe it? Through THREE towns and not a single damn bird. 

 

So i’m waiting still on the train, stood doing nothing but looking around for birds. We’re between towns, in the middle of nowhere and can you guess? WANTED: crime reported. 

 

*sigh*

Buy a ticket to walace station. Go up on the water tower. When the train begins to move again, jump on the train and crouch (don’t jump on before it moves, you’ll get spotted). Sit still and wait for birds. Don’t shoot of there is just one. You can get them in one go often. Use deadeye. 😊

[Aftrthought051]

Fix the fishing for crying out loud. This is my only complaint on the game. It is broken. It is near impossible to reel in a fish once he gets out away from you. It's not like real fishing at all unless you are just a weenie but you nailed hunting. Don't do your game like this. Hunting is perfect. Fishing sucks.

[t-p-d-a]

there is no

Constructive Criticism

[Gallows]

8 hours ago, Aftrthought051 said:

Fix the fishing for crying out loud. This is my only complaint on the game. It is broken. It is near impossible to reel in a fish once he gets out away from you. It's not like real fishing at all unless you are just a weenie but you nailed hunting. Don't do your game like this. Hunting is perfect. Fishing sucks.

Your definition of impossible is fairly broad I’d say 😂

 

Have you caught any legendary fish yet? They can be somewhat of a Challenge, until you find their rythm.

Edited November 21, 2018 by Gallows

[Jason]

8 hours ago, Aftrthought051 said:

Fix the fishing for crying out loud. This is my only complaint on the game. It is broken. It is near impossible to reel in a fish once he gets out away from you. It's not like real fishing at all unless you are just a weenie but you nailed hunting. Don't do your game like this. Hunting is perfect. Fishing sucks.

I actually found it fairly spot on and it works fine. Fish above 10lbs don't come in easily, you have to learn how to manage the fish pulling out the line (also called drag) by holding/tapping the right stick. Also pulling back on the left stick to pull the rod up while reeling to pull it towards you will help you get it closer before it has another fight, when fighting you should be pulling the rod in the opposite direction of where it's running to tire it out quicker.

 

The only thing they didn't do in-game was have the fish surfacing or jumping, where you need to keep the rod low irl to avoid line breaks. As far as virtual fishing goes it's probably the best I've played outside an actual fishing sim.

[Mach1bud]

Yeah fishing works fantastic as it is now.

[CryptReaperDorian]

As a southpaw with mild Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, fishing is a pain in the ass. I don't know if there's alternate control themes solely for fishing, but with the default, it just doesn't work for me. No matter how hard I try, my right thumb is unable to reel at any respectable speed. What I have to do is remove my left hand from the left analog stick and rotate the right analog stick with my left palm. I'll try using my right palm to see if it'll suffice. Fishing is definitely a no-go for anybody that may have an actual handicap. Not only that, but such action puts a terrible amount of wear on the analog sticks.

[Lonely-Martin]

Bit daft to keep reminding me the help menu is there every time I sit at a table, lol. It's an 18/mature game. Yet I'm constantly reminded I'm a noob like a child. Typical of R*, but been wishing for better here for a long time now.

 

But the bit that's starting to chip away is the times I load up for a game of cards, only to have to f*ck about killing NPC's and spawning a mile away from my last save, usually at camp/home. Not usually a problem as I plan a session, but this game is becoming less and less appealing for those splash and dash spells.

13 hours ago, Mach1bud said:

Yeah fishing works fantastic as it is now.

This.

 

Fishing and hunting are the 2 main aspects I really just love here. They're so much better than I imagined as the news trickled out prior to release. Fishing if anything is a bit easy I found, just relaxing.

4 hours ago, CryptReaperDorian said:

As a southpaw with mild Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, fishing is a pain in the ass. I don't know if there's alternate control themes solely for fishing, but with the default, it just doesn't work for me. No matter how hard I try, my right thumb is unable to reel at any respectable speed. What I have to do is remove my left hand from the left analog stick and rotate the right analog stick with my left palm. I'll try using my right palm to see if it'll suffice. Fishing is definitely a no-go for anybody that may have an actual handicap. Not only that, but such action puts a terrible amount of wear on the analog sticks.

Though, I do respect that it's hard work for players with less nimble fingers. My son also has some troubles on mechanics through personal limitations.

 

Fully understand that, didn't mean to undermine your points with my 'it's easy' claims above.

[iddqdvie]

fix the shooting mechanics!

 

Don‘t delay may input! Ignore it or execute it! i wanna shoot when i shoot!  

 

this is a pain all the time. 

 

also whats that delay when releasing L2 ???  for smooth autoaiming? 

 

the weaponsway is ridicolous!! 

 

there is literally nothing good about the shooting in this game.

 

i like repeating, but not like this. if it would be more like:

 

pull trigger: shoot

release trigger (

i repeats right at the end of letting the trigger go, forcing you to let the trigger go, which would give it the right feeling ( i believe)  you cant shoot faster than the trigger lets you an not some stupid delay that just shoots after i pulled the trigger. pulling the trigger should always create a feedback and if its only a blunt click from an already pulled trigger.

[Gallows]

4 hours ago, iddqdvie said:

fix the shooting mechanics!

 

Don‘t delay may input! Ignore it or execute it! i wanna shoot when i shoot!  

 

this is a pain all the time. 

 

also whats that delay when releasing L2 ???  for smooth autoaiming? 

 

the weaponsway is ridicolous!! 

 

there is literally nothing good about the shooting in this game.

 

i like repeating, but not like this. if it would be more like:

 

pull trigger: shoot

release trigger (

i repeats right at the end of letting the trigger go, forcing you to let the trigger go, which would give it the right feeling ( i believe)  you cant shoot faster than the trigger lets you an not some stupid delay that just shoots after i pulled the trigger. pulling the trigger should always create a feedback and if its only a blunt click from an already pulled trigger.

I am trying to figure our what your issue is, but it does not makes sense in terms of my own experience unless there is something I haven’t noticed after playing for many hours (188hrs).

 

I use free aim, first person, no aim assist and shooting feels fine. You do not need to release L2/LT to re-cock. You do this by pressing the trigger again. If you spam the trigger, sure you may experience delay because cooking takes time.

 

If you’re using first person set head bobbing to reduced. I have close to zero weapon sway.

 

The trigger has deadzone as the real triggers of the real guns had. 

 

Just tested it all and yes I see what you mean with the delay when releasing LT/L2. It’s not game breaking, but it certainly is annoying and weird. 

Edited November 22, 2018 by Gallows

[theyorkshirejo]

Is there a way to get rid of my warhorse? I want to make room in the stalls for better horses but I can’t sell it. 

Was kinda disappointed with this horse honestly. I obviously wasn’t expecting the best horse in the game but as a pre-order bonus it should be at least one of the top tier horses but I’ve preferred every other horse I’ve used so far. 

 

Edit: nvm I took her to camp and moved my saddle to a different horse and sold that one so I have space now 

Edited November 22, 2018 by xjodielaura

[Lonely-Martin]

42 minutes ago, xjodielaura said:

Is there a way to get rid of my warhorse? I want to make room in the stalls for better horses but I can’t sell it. 

Was kinda disappointed with this horse honestly. I obviously wasn’t expecting the best horse in the game but as a pre-order bonus it should be at least one of the top tier horses but I’ve preferred every other horse I’ve used so far. 

 

Edit: nvm I took her to camp and moved my saddle to a different horse and sold that one so I have space now 

For if it comes up again.

 

As it's a freebie and after a restart they'll return to being free yo replace. If you've the heart, kill it.

 

(* braces for the anger from horse lovers).

[SAS_Intruder]

Still disappointed about firearms ( selection, operation, stats) and lack of wagons to use and store. Even now after story end, there is no reason why I should be able yo use wagon that obviously is there.

 

As for firearms, Rockstar just doesn't know how to do them or they don't care. I know it is not real life but still, how hard can it be foor developer's team to inform little bit better about firearms of that time period? 

[jje1000]

Cross-posting from another thread:

 

 

16 minutes ago, jje1000 said:

In my opinion, Epilogue 1 needed to be shorter, and Epilogue 2 needed to be more open.

• Players should have gotten a smaller amount of money at the end- I know it's a slap in the face for players who lose Arthur's money, but it would add financial pressure for John to still be morally grey- he needs to earn money for the ranch, not be an adventurer without any sort of motivation. This will probably be one of the first things I'd try to edit once the PC modding becomes available- $500-2000 seems like a more reasonable amount of money to end up with.
• Beecher's Hope needed to be less static, and feel more like the camp we all loved from chapters 2-3. The house-building montage was great, but I think that there needed to be an option to upgrade the camp with the assorted side buildings and decorations- it would have provided a money sink towards the end of the game. I would even argue that a form of the ledger needed to come back, with ranch expenses providing another form of a money sink.
• Charles and Sadie should have stuck around past the epilogue, with their departure implied rather than shown. Beecher's Hope simply feels too empty at the end. Additionally, if the gang member companion feature was ever reintroduced, it would have been nice to be able to have them tag along for adventures.
• There needs to be more repeatable free-roam side jobs, like cattle herding, horse-breaking, nightwatch or even endless generic bounties for legal cash. On top of that, illegal side activities like proper train & bank robberies or even prize fighting need to be added.
• There needed to be more side missions for John, as if you aim to do the most you can with Arthur, there's not a lot left with John.

 

Edited November 23, 2018 by jje1000

[Gallows]

3 minutes ago, jje1000 said:

Cross-posting from another thread:

 

 

 

Agree with those points, but I think the real end game is the online, so doubt this will ever get any attention, unless they release single player DLC.

[jje1000]

11 minutes ago, Gallows said:

Agree with those points, but I think the real end game is the online, so doubt this will ever get any attention, unless they release single player DLC. 

I definitely agree, and I'm really hoping more side-activities like those will be added to online (and maybe later patched back to single-player like some features in GTAVO). I'm hoping that the foundations for RDR2 are stronger than RDR1 and that they don't run into issues of spaghetti code again.

 

Some of them seem to already have some form of semblance in the game (like cattle herding, base defense, and prize fighting), but they're limited to single missions or cutscenes. Others like bounty hunting, horse-breaking, and bank & train robbery simply need to be fixed to make them worthwhile.

 

Edited November 23, 2018 by jje1000

[Emmi]

It is strange ... I realized I had never used the lasso in RDR2 apart from the missions where it's absolutely necessary.

In RDR1 on the other hand I used it all the time ... hm?

 

Also the looting in RDR2 goes on my nerves, it's anything but fun.

[lndex]

You will end up making fine use of the lasso during a challenge trust me lol.

[Jason]

Yea I dunno how you not using the lasso is something noteworthy in this thread tbh. I used it all the time, more so than I did in RDR1 in fact. Obviously stuff like bounties but hogtying is one of the best ways to deal with people without losing honour too. The game provides a lot of tools for you to use, it's up to you to use them.