muvdafucupouttahere 166 Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 5 hours ago, Lioshenka said: I remember that moment, that's how he would have reacted if someone scratched his car or put a television in a wrong corner. His only concern was that his counterfeit money production line could be affected if the guy couldn't work. It's not like he took him to a hospital himself or even offered them a vehicle or visited him in the hospital or picked him up from it. Uh, I don't remember Tommy showing more concern for the counterfeit cash in that scene than the injury of the old man. If Tommy really was more concerned for that than the old guy, he wouldn't have told him he wasn't angry with him and instead be pissed at him for letting the Forellis attack his business, nor would he have ordered the other allies to take him to the hospital. In fact, I don't remember one scene in which he even displayed any slight sign of anger or annoyance with the old man. Seriously, why is it so damn difficult for you to just concede the fact that Tommy clearly sees his father inside the old man? What other proof you really need? You want him to cry in his chest and lament the loss of his biological father? Are you really that damn desperate to try to make Tommy seem more emotionless than he actually is? 5 hours ago, Lioshenka said: It certainly doesn't to me if you look at his behavior throughout the game. If you just cut out that particular scene, then yes, sure. Never said it was. I was just giving an example of how a narcissist really behaves, and Tommy, while somewhat egotistical, wasn't narcissistic. If he was, he'd be much more vocal about his so-called delusions. Obviously, it wasn't a consistent trait for Smoke, but it's an example I'm giving to delineate a true narcissist. 5 hours ago, Lioshenka said: Stop being a prick to everyone. Be nice once in a while. Be like any other GTA character. Well, stop being a prick to Kent Paul, I agree, but "everyone" else were useless morons who annoyed Tommy greatly, especially Ken with his constant complaining. Tommy wasn't like that towards anyone else who weren't idiots or bigger pricks. And no, sorry, being like any other GTA character would mean that Tommy wouldn't have his own personality, and that's not what we want in a protagonist. Tommy has his reasons on why he behaves the way he did in the game. 4 Link to post Share on other sites
watersgta3 554 Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 Honestly, I don't understand why that guy seems to be against the fact that Tommy clearly has a good relationship with Earnest. He mentions that he once worked with his father at the print shop in his home in LC. Hell when he first goes to the Print Works shop, he even considered using the shop for something honest rather than illicit (such as newspaper), and counterfeiting was the last thing he even thought about when buying the property. It clearly shows a sign of father figure, and I cannot see how anyone who's played the game couldn't see that. But anyways, I really don't think a protagonist not caring for everyone else should be much of a concern. As long as they have a few redeemable traits and not an asshole for the sake of being an asshole, it shouldn't matter. 7 Link to post Share on other sites
Algonquin Assassin 50,169 Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 41 minutes ago, watersgta3 said: Honestly, I don't understand why that guy seems to be against the fact that Tommy clearly has a good relationship with Earnest. He mentions that he once worked with his father at the print shop in his home in LC. Hell when he first goes to the Print Works shop, he even considered using the shop for something honest rather than illicit (such as newspaper), and counterfeiting was the last thing he even thought about when buying the property. It clearly shows a sign of father figure, and I cannot see how anyone who's played the game couldn't see that. But anyways, I really don't think a protagonist not caring for everyone else should be much of a concern. As long as they have a few redeemable traits and not an asshole for the sake of being an asshole, it shouldn't matter. Here's when Tommy buys it. You're right. He mentions using it to print newspapers or magazines. I mean for the most part we don't really get to hear much of Tommy's life before he turned into a gangster and whilst it's not a tear jerking moment persay it's nice that he seems to reminisce about his childhood even if only for a moment. 7 Link to post Share on other sites
TheSantader25 7,229 Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 (edited) Some thing that really pissed me off about Tommy was how he treated Mercedes. I mean her father trusts Tommy to look after her and Tommy does what? Sign her into his p*rn studio for his own profit. He pretty much f*cked her life up. She was responsible too though. Even Trevor is more caring towards Tracey lol. Edited February 10, 2019 by TheSantader25 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Algonquin Assassin 50,169 Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 2 hours ago, TheSantader25 said: Some thing that really pissed me off about Tommy was how he treated Mercedes. I mean her father trusts Tommy to look after her and Tommy does what? Sign her into his p*rn studio for his own profit. He pretty much f*cked her life up. She was responsible too though. Even Trevor is more caring towards Tracey lol. Eh. Mercedes always gave me the impression she was a prostitute/escort (that's why we take her to the Pole Position Club when we first meet her). She also slept with the members of Love Fist, but then again she was the one who agreed to be signed to the p*rn studio so it's not like Tommy held a gun to her head to do it. Can't f*ck up someone's life when it's already f*cked up to begin with. 3 Link to post Share on other sites
TheSantader25 7,229 Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Just now, American Venom said: Eh. Mercedes always gave me the impression she was a prostitute/escort (that's why we take her to the Pole Position Club when we first meet her). She also slept with the members of Love Fist, but then again she was the one who agreed to be signed to the pr0n studio so it's not like Tommy held a gun to her head to do it. Can't f*ck up someone's life when it's already f*cked up to begin with. But you can f*ck it up more than before. Tommy was the one suggesting taking her to the studio. I mean it's a bit uncaring considering the colonel's faith in Tommy. Tommy couldn't solve the thing that already was f*cked about Mercedes but at least he could stop it from getting worse. Link to post Share on other sites
Algonquin Assassin 50,169 Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 46 minutes ago, TheSantader25 said: But you can f*ck it up more than before. Tommy was the one suggesting taking her to the studio. I mean it's a bit uncaring considering the colonel's faith in Tommy. Tommy couldn't solve the thing that already was f*cked about Mercedes but at least he could stop it from getting worse. Well I think it's unreasonable that he was ever expected to look out for her in the first place because apart from the beginning she's a pretty insignificant character really. Yes you could interpret that he took advantage of her, BUT like I said he didn't hold her against her will. This is just looking for someone to point the finger at. With regards to Trevor and Tracey as much as I don't like him I think that's un-comparable. Tracey was someone he knew when she was a kid. Of course he would look out for her and care for to some extent. However Mercedes is literally some girl Tommy barely knows, but he's expected to be her guardian angel? 1 Link to post Share on other sites
TheSantader25 7,229 Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, American Venom said: Well I think it's unreasonable that he was ever expected to look out for her in the first place because apart from the beginning she's a pretty insignificant character really. Yes you could interpret that he took advantage of her, BUT like I said he didn't hold her against her will. This is just looking for someone to point the finger at. With regards to Trevor and Tracey as much as I don't like him I think that's un-comparable. Tracey was someone he knew when she was a kid. Of course he would look out for her and care for to some extent. However Mercedes is literally some girl Tommy barely knows, but he's expected to be her guardian angel? I didn't even expect Tommy to look after her just because the colonel says but I didn't expect him to take advantage of her behavior for his own profit. I genuinely believe he took advantage of her. Why did he suggest her for the studio? That's just the main gripe I have. Edited February 10, 2019 by TheSantader25 Link to post Share on other sites
Grotti Vigilante 1,293 Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 We can go on about whether or not Tommy even cared about Mercedes or if he even respected the Colonel who had his faith in Tommy to keep an eye out for her. But do you know what's a good thing out of all this? At least she didn't become a lawyer... 6 Link to post Share on other sites
Beato_dim 736 Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 Because maybe Tommy doesn't consider being a pr0n actress such a bad thing. I mean, he knows Mercedes is into that sort of thing, so why not? 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Copcaller 701 Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 On 2/10/2019 at 1:11 AM, TheSantader25 said: But you can f*ck it up more than before. Tommy was the one suggesting taking her to the studio. I mean it's a bit uncaring considering the colonel's faith in Tommy. Tommy couldn't solve the thing that already was f*cked about Mercedes but at least he could stop it from getting worse. So VC version of Ashley Butler or tracey de Santa? Yeah I'm good no thanks on that 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Fake Lilina 520 Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 Tommy does care though. 3 Link to post Share on other sites
LloydGTA3 96 Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 On 2/4/2019 at 6:13 AM, Lioshenka said: He's continuously mean to Ken, Yeah, because Ken keeps annoying him with his neurotic behavior and whiny attitude. Not to mention he's almost always high on cocaine. I would've been the same way around someone like Ken. On 2/4/2019 at 6:13 AM, Lioshenka said: his aggression towards Kent Paul in uncalled for, Well I will agree that that's the only time Tommy was truly a prick On 2/4/2019 at 6:13 AM, Lioshenka said: his "Nice bike" remark shows that he only cares about his own feelings. Not needs, feelings. Really? You're using ped quotes to access his personality? And who cares if he only cares about his own feelings. Who exactly do you expect him to care about? Who in the game is actually worth caring for? Remember, he said that he was surrounded by pricks. On 2/4/2019 at 6:13 AM, Lioshenka said: I'd like him to kick open the doors every time he goes to see Diaz and make fun of his short stature - but he won't, because Diaz will have him decapitated in his backyard. He would've done that, but he's not stupid either. Remember, Diaz was the one who ambushed his deal, and if Tommy had insulted Diaz in his face, it would ruin his plan to wipe out Diaz completely. Tommy murdered eleven people. So why the f*ck would he be scared of Diaz or let him decapitate him in the blink of an eye? Listen, say what you want about Tommy, but being put in for 15 years because of what your "family" did to you wouldn't make someone happy, caring, and especially not "normal". 5 Link to post Share on other sites
Americana 5,205 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 (edited) Tommy has no heart, as he called his buddy 'Useless'. Why would you do that, man? Anyways.. let's consider Tommy to be probably ~35 years old, he spent 15 years in prison... which means he was only ~20 when he murdered ten.. no.. eleven men. He was very young, and very angry. So... no wonder he behaves like that. Edited November 17, 2019 by Ronald Reagan Link to post Share on other sites
Eriahslon 60 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 (edited) Tommy to me,isn't a uncaring character,he's kinda like Niko Bellic,a man of business,look at how both of them talk.Let's take for example Niko with Francis and Tommy with Umberto,they both are mainly focused on money and so.But for Tommy,I would add his temp too,just like Lancerator mentioned,this is also why I like Tommy.He's different compared to CJ,Toni,Vic etc.(No hate to them,they are all great characters) Edited November 22, 2019 by Eriahslon Link to post Share on other sites
muvdafucupouttahere 166 Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 (edited) On 2/5/2019 at 7:05 AM, TheSantader25 said: I don't think Tommy saved Lance because he cared about him. He was afraid he would give out info. As soon as he reaches that place the first thing he says is "you f*cked up my plan". If he really cared about Lance he would have talk to him in person and out of care instead of phone calls when Lance was feeling 'unimportant' in his operation to solve the problems. When someone foils your plan because they were too incompetent to wait for the right moment to strike, your first instinct isn't a simple "are you okay?" platitude once you rescue him, even if he was your partner. If they f*ck up, they deserve the reprimand. Also, I'm confused on how he should "talk to him out of care" in order to get him to chill out. I'm very sure Vic would've done the same thing given how little tolerance he has with his moronic brother. Quote The VCS Lance was an intolerable useless guy but I genuinely felt the VC Lance was a pretty decent dude. He shows nothing but anger towards Ken either although Ken seems to be really dependent on him. The result of this abandonment by Tommy is seen later when Ken becomes a junkie. I'd be feeling anger towards anyone who constantly complain nonstop since that can get rather annoying after a while. Plus who wants a coke addict as a partner? Quote I like Tommy and he is one of my favorite protagonists because he gets sh*t done but I don't think he actually gave any f*cks about any character in VC. Except for the old man at the Print Works. He was actually a father figure towards him. Edited August 30, 2020 by muvdafucupouttahere Link to post Share on other sites
OH76 243 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 (edited) Well, there's ain't much for Tommy to care about since Sonny set him up and had ambushed him. But hey at least Tommy cared for Earnest and Cortez. Especially the former since he reminded him of his father. Honestly, Rosenberg was too whiny, Tommy's anger towards him is justified. Lance too, since he was foolish and only lazes out. Tommy never betrayed him though. He admittedly can sometimes be a prick though especially to Kent Paul. Edited January 16 by OH76 Mistake. Link to post Share on other sites
KGBeast 994 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 Tommy is just a sweet vulnerable guy trying to hide his true feelings behind apathy. Link to post Share on other sites
Roboticist 5 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 CJ and Niko had families to look after so naturally they'd have shown signs of caring while Tommy got betrayed by his 'family' which would be Sonny so of course the dude isn't going to take it so he isn't exactly caring but ruthless. Link to post Share on other sites
FanEu7 573 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 Tommy not caring (although he does show concern for the old printer dude) makes him more unique and badass. He was focused on taking over the city, no other commitments at all. Link to post Share on other sites
