muvdafucupouttahere 35 Posted February 8 5 hours ago, Lioshenka said: I remember that moment, that's how he would have reacted if someone scratched his car or put a television in a wrong corner. His only concern was that his counterfeit money production line could be affected if the guy couldn't work. It's not like he took him to a hospital himself or even offered them a vehicle or visited him in the hospital or picked him up from it. Uh, I don't remember Tommy showing more concern for the counterfeit cash in that scene than the injury of the old man. If Tommy really was more concerned for that than the old guy, he wouldn't have told him he wasn't angry with him and instead be pissed at him for letting the Forellis attack his business, nor would he have ordered the other allies to take him to the hospital. In fact, I don't remember one scene in which he even displayed any slight sign of anger or annoyance with the old man. Seriously, why is it so damn difficult for you to just concede the fact that Tommy clearly sees his father inside the old man? What other proof you really need? You want him to cry in his chest and lament the loss of his biological father? Are you really that damn desperate to try to make Tommy seem more emotionless than he actually is? 5 hours ago, Lioshenka said: It certainly doesn't to me if you look at his behavior throughout the game. If you just cut out that particular scene, then yes, sure. Never said it was. I was just giving an example of how a narcissist really behaves, and Tommy, while somewhat egotistical, wasn't narcissistic. If he was, he'd be much more vocal about his so-called delusions. Obviously, it wasn't a consistent trait for Smoke, but it's an example I'm giving to delineate a true narcissist. 5 hours ago, Lioshenka said: Stop being a prick to everyone. Be nice once in a while. Be like any other GTA character. Well, stop being a prick to Kent Paul, I agree, but "everyone" else were useless morons who annoyed Tommy greatly, especially Ken with his constant complaining. Tommy wasn't like that towards anyone else who weren't idiots or bigger pricks. And no, sorry, being like any other GTA character would mean that Tommy wouldn't have his own personality, and that's not what we want in a protagonist. Tommy has his reasons on why he behaves the way he did in the game. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
watersgta3 285 Posted February 9 Honestly, I don't understand why that guy seems to be against the fact that Tommy clearly has a good relationship with Earnest. He mentions that he once worked with his father at the print shop in his home in LC. Hell when he first goes to the Print Works shop, he even considered using the shop for something honest rather than illicit (such as newspaper), and counterfeiting was the last thing he even thought about when buying the property. It clearly shows a sign of father figure, and I cannot see how anyone who's played the game couldn't see that. But anyways, I really don't think a protagonist not caring for everyone else should be much of a concern. As long as they have a few redeemable traits and not an asshole for the sake of being an asshole, it shouldn't matter. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
American Venom 38,943 Posted February 9 41 minutes ago, watersgta3 said: Honestly, I don't understand why that guy seems to be against the fact that Tommy clearly has a good relationship with Earnest. He mentions that he once worked with his father at the print shop in his home in LC. Hell when he first goes to the Print Works shop, he even considered using the shop for something honest rather than illicit (such as newspaper), and counterfeiting was the last thing he even thought about when buying the property. It clearly shows a sign of father figure, and I cannot see how anyone who's played the game couldn't see that. But anyways, I really don't think a protagonist not caring for everyone else should be much of a concern. As long as they have a few redeemable traits and not an asshole for the sake of being an asshole, it shouldn't matter. Here's when Tommy buys it. You're right. He mentions using it to print newspapers or magazines. I mean for the most part we don't really get to hear much of Tommy's life before he turned into a gangster and whilst it's not a tear jerking moment persay it's nice that he seems to reminisce about his childhood even if only for a moment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheSantader25 4,248 Posted February 10 (edited) Some thing that really pissed me off about Tommy was how he treated Mercedes. I mean her father trusts Tommy to look after her and Tommy does what? Sign her into his p*rn studio for his own profit. He pretty much f*cked her life up. She was responsible too though. Even Trevor is more caring towards Tracey lol. Edited February 10 by TheSantader25 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
American Venom 38,943 Posted February 10 2 hours ago, TheSantader25 said: Some thing that really pissed me off about Tommy was how he treated Mercedes. I mean her father trusts Tommy to look after her and Tommy does what? Sign her into his p*rn studio for his own profit. He pretty much f*cked her life up. She was responsible too though. Even Trevor is more caring towards Tracey lol. Eh. Mercedes always gave me the impression she was a prostitute/escort (that's why we take her to the Pole Position Club when we first meet her). She also slept with the members of Love Fist, but then again she was the one who agreed to be signed to the p*rn studio so it's not like Tommy held a gun to her head to do it. Can't f*ck up someone's life when it's already f*cked up to begin with. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheSantader25 4,248 Posted February 10 Just now, American Venom said: Eh. Mercedes always gave me the impression she was a prostitute/escort (that's why we take her to the Pole Position Club when we first meet her). She also slept with the members of Love Fist, but then again she was the one who agreed to be signed to the pr0n studio so it's not like Tommy held a gun to her head to do it. Can't f*ck up someone's life when it's already f*cked up to begin with. But you can f*ck it up more than before. Tommy was the one suggesting taking her to the studio. I mean it's a bit uncaring considering the colonel's faith in Tommy. Tommy couldn't solve the thing that already was f*cked about Mercedes but at least he could stop it from getting worse. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
American Venom 38,943 Posted February 10 46 minutes ago, TheSantader25 said: But you can f*ck it up more than before. Tommy was the one suggesting taking her to the studio. I mean it's a bit uncaring considering the colonel's faith in Tommy. Tommy couldn't solve the thing that already was f*cked about Mercedes but at least he could stop it from getting worse. Well I think it's unreasonable that he was ever expected to look out for her in the first place because apart from the beginning she's a pretty insignificant character really. Yes you could interpret that he took advantage of her, BUT like I said he didn't hold her against her will. This is just looking for someone to point the finger at. With regards to Trevor and Tracey as much as I don't like him I think that's un-comparable. Tracey was someone he knew when she was a kid. Of course he would look out for her and care for to some extent. However Mercedes is literally some girl Tommy barely knows, but he's expected to be her guardian angel? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheSantader25 4,248 Posted February 10 (edited) 14 minutes ago, American Venom said: Well I think it's unreasonable that he was ever expected to look out for her in the first place because apart from the beginning she's a pretty insignificant character really. Yes you could interpret that he took advantage of her, BUT like I said he didn't hold her against her will. This is just looking for someone to point the finger at. With regards to Trevor and Tracey as much as I don't like him I think that's un-comparable. Tracey was someone he knew when she was a kid. Of course he would look out for her and care for to some extent. However Mercedes is literally some girl Tommy barely knows, but he's expected to be her guardian angel? I didn't even expect Tommy to look after her just because the colonel says but I didn't expect him to take advantage of her behavior for his own profit. I genuinely believe he took advantage of her. Why did he suggest her for the studio? That's just the main gripe I have. Edited February 10 by TheSantader25 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grotti Vigilante 401 Posted February 10 We can go on about whether or not Tommy even cared about Mercedes or if he even respected the Colonel who had his faith in Tommy to keep an eye out for her. But do you know what's a good thing out of all this? At least she didn't become a lawyer... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beato_dim 274 Posted February 11 Because maybe Tommy doesn't consider being a pr0n actress such a bad thing. I mean, he knows Mercedes is into that sort of thing, so why not? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Copcaller 110 Posted February 20 On 2/10/2019 at 1:11 AM, TheSantader25 said: But you can f*ck it up more than before. Tommy was the one suggesting taking her to the studio. I mean it's a bit uncaring considering the colonel's faith in Tommy. Tommy couldn't solve the thing that already was f*cked about Mercedes but at least he could stop it from getting worse. So VC version of Ashley Butler or tracey de Santa? Yeah I'm good no thanks on that Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
