The RDR2 Beta Hunt

[Darealbandicoot]

Arthur has dialogue for random events exclusive to Blackwater 

Arthur has dialogue for answering the Tumbleweed sherrif during the "Welcome to Tumbleweed" speech. 

Edited December 23, 2018 by Darealbandicoot

[DirtCheap]

On 12/17/2018 at 10:28 PM, Darealbandicoot said:

Speaking of Guarma, a cut animal, the green turtle has been found. It cannot be skinned and you can walk through it. You can study it but it won't be added to the compendium. 

 

I found images of said turtle on the RDR subreddit

 

[Mastah]

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Do you think it's true or is it all made up?

Edited December 23, 2018 by Mastah
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[Non Funkable Token]

12 minutes ago, Mastah said:

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Do you think it's true or is it all made up?

Tons of stuff, some logical and more or less proved to be cut by now, some are just ridiculous, maybe wild ideas that some developer threw around, like Sadie raping or the heavily expanded map. I won't consider the later as cut content, but cut ideas, at best.

[Implicitly]

55 minutes ago, Mastah said:

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Do you think it's true or is it all made up?

Sounds completely made up along with a mixture of fan theories. Doesn't even make sense with the 3-protagonist control idea considering Rockstar dumped that during GTA as it was a flop feature with RD1 all about one protagonist. What makes this all silly is the fact that the game got leaked years before the game was officially announced and the bit about Micah they wrote makes absolutely no sense considering the actual leaker said the game was all about being on the run since day one as there was a rat in the group day 1. The bit with Sadie biting off and all of that, yeah, nah. Has to be a troll. They don't even make note of Mary and the bit with Charles makes absolutely no sense. I absolutely do not believe horse breeding was ever an idea either with the amount of breeds you have to get x best horse. The system the way is set up, impossible since it's all purebreds, not coat options with different signs for mix breeds.

 

Also, for an employee, that's a big reveal, no way could you avoid your NDA so casually while revealing that much like that. The bit with Javier makes no sense too the voice actor never indicated anything like that regarding his character.  Some of the points made were already discovered bits from years back, like the armor wagon idea, was talked about I believe a long time ago, the companion bit we already knew.

Edited December 24, 2018 by Implicitly

[burger_mike]

1 hour ago, Mastah said:

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Do you think it's true or is it all made up?

“Arthur was originally supposed to be bisexual and you could pursue a sort of tragic romance with Charles, whom was originally supposed to admit to being gay if you got close to him. It was only after you learned about the TB so Arthur was okay admitting his attraction to other men because he knew he was going to die anyways. but he'd write in his diary about being sexually confused throughout the game. That got removed because you can only get gay stereotypes into the mainstream media.”

 

oh yeah of course sounds convincing this game was made by bioware right?

Edited December 24, 2018 by Equatecurl

[burger_mike]

Wait what

 

”The reason there was so much effort put into horse genitals was because you originally had a group of horses you kept at the camp and you could breed horses. To get the best horses you had to have them reproduce. The penis were so you could identify the stallions visually instead of having to rely on a stat card. It's why the mares don't have vaginas, since they already don't have a penis. The count, Dutch's albino arabian mount. was originally the best horse in the game that you could only get by breeding.”

 

wtf

 

this guy is definitely a schizo with some weird fetishes

Edited December 24, 2018 by Equatecurl
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[Implicitly]

4 minutes ago, Equatecurl said:

Wait what

 

”The reason there was so much effort put into horse genitals was because you originally had a group of horses you kept at the camp and you could breed horses. To get the best horses you had to have them reproduce. The penis were so you could identify the stallions visually instead of having to rely on a stat card. It's why the mares don't have vaginas, since they already don't have a penis. The count, Dutch's albino arabian mount. was originally the best horse in the game that you could only get by breeding.”

 

wtf

 

this guy is definitely a scizo with some weird fetishes

I know right. Look at his comments in the Reddit thread of him attacking people, even saying that Micah was originally a pedophile into Jack. He's trolling. "To get the best horses, you had to to have them reproduce." This is impossible since the best horses in the game are Arabians, and Arabians simply cannot be made by breeding any of the given breeds. Not to mention none of the artwork for the horse coats are done in variety making it impossible for them ever to have a breeding system. The coat colors the game has available are basic horse coats unique to a purebred horse only. A Morgan and Kentucky Saddle isn't going to be able to make an Arabian, impossible.

 

What an absolute weirdo. Some of his points seems to be taken from the GTA forums and other rumors other players have figured out, like the whole idea of companions in the game was already figured out by players on the Red Dead Mysteries subreddit. He missed major points like the game concept of moving camp to camp on the run, the original leaker even said before the game was released, and or announced years beforehand that the game started with a rat from day 1. Yet this guy says Micah was a "good guy" - lol Micah was a rat from the beginning which the leaker mentioned just didn't say who.

 

Bunch of s***. Lmao. And the 3-protagonist feature was a failure to Rockstar games, no way would they ever bring that concept back after it faced so much backlash. The idea of playing a buck, and or, coyote = who you get makes no sense either since that's purely based on the honor system in terms of reincarnation. 

[Gtaman_92]

2 hours ago, Mastah said:

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Do you think it's true or is it all made up?

 

He’s nothing more then a weird troll with too much time on his hands. A lot of this sh*t is too outlandish for it to be true.

Edited December 24, 2018 by Gtaman_92

[Implicitly]

12 minutes ago, Gtaman_92 said:

 

He’s nothing more then a weird troll with too much time on his hands. A lot of this sh*t is too outlandish for it to be true.

Yup and probably on a quick alt. He is absolutely breaking an NDA. I like how he made up a story that the moderators of the main subreddit "work for Rockstar" because they asked for his ID. Every subreddit the moderators will always tend to asks for identification so they aren't passing around false info. The main subreddit allowed leaks for years, none of the mods work for R*

Probably karma farming and the fact that he attacks anyone who disagrees with him like a child is a big eyebrow raiser. 

Edited December 24, 2018 by Implicitly

[Darealbandicoot]

Clearly fake. For instance, the 100% legit 2016 leaker never said anything about playing as Dutch after the ending, only John. Everything in this "leak" is just BUUUUUULLLLL sh*t. 

Edited December 24, 2018 by Darealbandicoot

[silly_nate]

He said his AMA thread was locked or something... is he the one who confirmed Really Dumbass Really Two?

[burger_mike]

24 minutes ago, silly_nate said:

He said his AMA thread was locked or something... is he the one who confirmed Really Dumbass Really Two?

No

 

the dude is some weirdo fetishist with like 4 different alts all agreeing with himself

[TheSantader25]

This has to be the biggest bullsh*t I've ever seen. 

[Ehrmantraut]

I stopped reading at:

"Update: Rockstar is trying to silence this post. Feel free to spread the word so that Rockstar won't be able to hide it."

 

Any text that starts with this kind of wording you know it's bullsh*t.

[GoodSense129]

3 hours ago, Implicitly said:

Sounds completely made up along with a mixture of fan theories. Doesn't even make sense with the 3-protagonist control idea considering Rockstar dumped that during GTA as it was a flop feature with RD1 all about one protagonist. What makes this all silly is the fact that the game got leaked years before the game was officially announced and the bit about Micah they wrote makes absolutely no sense considering the actual leaker said the game was all about being on the run since day one as there was a rat in the group day 1. The bit with Sadie biting off and all of that, yeah, nah. Has to be a troll. They don't even make note of Mary and the bit with Charles makes absolutely no sense. I absolutely do not believe horse breeding was ever an idea either with the amount of breeds you have to get x best horse. The system the way is set up, impossible since it's all purebreds, not coat options with different signs for mix breeds.

 

Also, for an employee, that's a big reveal, no way could you avoid your NDA so casually while revealing that much like that. The bit with Javier makes no sense too the voice actor never indicated anything like that regarding his character.  Some of the points made were already discovered bits from years back, like the armor wagon idea, was talked about I believe a long time ago, the companion bit we already knew.

Who would really have the time to make all of that up?? I’m not saying this is 100% true but most of that “ information” wouldn’t have been far fetched either

[burger_mike]

23 minutes ago, GoodSense129 said:

Who would really have the time to make all of that up?? I’m not saying this is 100% true but most of that “ information” wouldn’t have been far fetched either

Some of it is sh*t we already know, the guy is using alts and don’t underestimate people on the internet, neets have lots of time

[TheSantader25]

43 minutes ago, GoodSense129 said:

Who would really have the time to make all of that up?? 

You're underestimating people. We literally had a guy in this forum who made 100 accounts to troll one guy. Some people do have a lot of time and do these kinds of things. 

[Implicitly]

2 hours ago, GoodSense129 said:

Who would really have the time to make all of that up?? I’m not saying this is 100% true but most of that “ information” wouldn’t have been far fetched either

You'd be surprised. There is this community for a livestreamer who has a subreddit dedicated to him with over 100,000 subscribers and there was a guy who had way over 40 alts who would argue with himself and make hate posts to manipulate the livestreamers entire community into hating real life people. People do stuff like this all the time. Especially if it's done by a group of people in Discord. Most of the information he told us is creepy fetishes (like the Sadie rape bit. Marketing would've never allow that, and that strongly classifies as a porno while the VA would never agree to that.) All which is entirely unrealistic. The rest seems to be dugged out from this beta thread and Reddit it's self, e.g. like the companions I posted about that the other day and a Reddit thread uncovered all that info regarding companions yesterday. Basically regarding everything we know already.

 

Also if this was real valid information it all would've been taken down by now, but the thread has been up for hours and that weirdo responds to anyone who replies to him in a flash over the course of 5+ hrs already.

Edited December 24, 2018 by Implicitly

[Cutter De Blanc]

My contention instead of just baselessly insulting the guy, is that he's discussing things that multiple different teams worked on, so unless he's upper management or something, I don't see how he would have access to information about the things multiple teams were working on. Hell, I don't know what half my team is doing on a given day and I don't work at any place as notorious as Rockstar for poor communication between design teams

[Jabalous]

I believe in the plausibility of a tester recalling cut content and posting it on the internet, but that guy seems too determined to prove himself and instead he comes out as a fake. Fan fiction at best, but surely Red Dead, like any game, had many changes along the way, whether by addition, subtraction, or modification. 

Edited December 24, 2018 by Jabalous

[burger_mike]

2 hours ago, Cutter De Blanc said:

My contention instead of just baselessly insulting the guy, is that he's discussing things that multiple different teams worked on, so unless he's upper management or something, I don't see how he would have access to information about the things multiple teams were working on. Hell, I don't know what half my team is doing on a given day and I don't work at any place as notorious as Rockstar for poor communication between design teams

We’re insulting him because he’s using like 5 alts and attacks anyone doubting him im the thread, its bullsh*t

[DirtCheap]

13 hours ago, Mastah said:

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Do you think it's true or is it all made up?

 

So in the beta, we were going to see:

• Arthur being a bisexual, with an interest for Charles
• Us playing as Dutch
• 3 protagonists
• Horse breeding
• Us playing in 1877 to 1899
• Sadie getting sexually assaulted
• Sadie biting off the attacker's you-know-what
• Prosties coming to the camp
• The Legend of the East Satchel was going to have infinite storage space
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  Arthur getting TB for no reason

   

• A horse carrying 4 carcasses at once
• Arthur being able to dive
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  John being unable to see out of his left eye in First Person

   

• Us doing menial tasks to lower a bounty
• A...Chinese...child...hooker in St. Denis
• Micah being a pedo
• Abigail being a dyslexic
• First Person bath

 

Dude no offense, but please tell me you didn't believe these things

[Spider-Vice]

The bisexual part sounded so outlandish that I stopped reading there, especially after he said "gay stereotypes only fit in the mainstream media". Also, his call for sharing his leak ASAP cause R* "is trying to silence it" is not convincing at all. We'll know the real deal as soon as the files are cracked.

 

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1. There were originally intended to be more areas to the map. You could go to standins for the southwestern states with a Mormon dominated region, along with standins for Southern California, San Diego, Baja California, Nuevo Paradiso was going to make a return and New Hanover had more towns based off cities in central Texas, Armadillo would also be extended westward and have a town on the land border with Mexico about the size of blackwater based on el paso. There was a note underlined twice that said nothing should be named after a location in GTA.

Yes because that's how game dev works, you just make a giant map and cut it all. You waste time, obviously...

 

 

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When you go to Sadie's cabin in Ambarino at the start of the game that scene was originally supposed to show her getting gang raped, when you started shooting she'd bite one of their penises off

HAHAHAH.

[RedDagger]

15 hours ago, Mastah said:

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Do you think it's true or is it all made up?

I feel like banning you for making me read that

[Cutter De Blanc]

23 hours ago, Darealbandicoot said:

Arthur has dialogue for random events exclusive to Blackwater 

Arthur has dialogue for answering the Tumbleweed sherrif during the "Welcome to Tumbleweed" speech. 

Does he have dialogue for the bounty hunts in Tumbleweed?

[Haha365]

While I'm not sure how valid,  the stuff on Reddit is,  there are some interesting concepts that would have been great/make sense. 

[Xerukal]

I stopped halfway through. I physically couldn't read anymore. Gave me a headache. The part about the rape scene really threw me the f*ck off on the believability of this entire leak. Maybe it's true, maybe the guy just has too much time on his hands. I can't imagine anyone constructing such an overly long, detailed fake but... it certainly wouldn't be the first time.

[jje1000]

Don't know if it's true or not but from the comments:

 

DLC:

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I can tell you that the GTA online system of updating and adding onto the multiplayer without doing anything for the single player was incredibly profitable.

PC Version:

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Yeah that's legit. Game developers holds back on the PC release because they know that the PC gamers will own consoles for exclusives and buy the game twice a lot of the time.

Jack's Voice:

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That doesn't sound like Teddy to me. May have gotten glitched out with one of the generic voice sets that online characters were supposed to have.

Controls:

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the best feature that got cut was a significantly improved control scheme, It took only a few hours and we made the shooting and movement on par with Gears of War or halo. Got rid of the lock on aim assist. made the joystick controls smoother, made it so you didn't have inertia with your movement. Then some 60 year old dude said he hated it and we had to dump it.

Mission Structure & Rockstar internals:

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The one about how the mission structure sucks?

Rockstar's owners whom haven't worked on a game since GTA3 wants all their games to function as a interactive movie that plays like it's on the PS2. When we were making the game the idea was that you'd coordinate heists and crimes dynamically to make money it was like The Phantom Pain actually. instead of being stuck in movie style cutscenes.

There's a group of 60 year old British men who you need subtitles to understand when they speak English as their first language that want all of their games to basically be a composite of popular films from when they were young. And on the side of that there's a free roam game that is held back because of that focus on cinematics.

The reason the game takes so long with so much remaking is because the company is so secretive and poorly coordinated they'll burn millions of dollars and years of work on a concept they don't feel very sure about before dropping it.

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"So why is Rockstar so stingy about people finding out about content cut from the game? They tried to put a stop to people finding out loads of information about content cut from V by confiscating an old build of the game that someone somehow got their hands on.

I recall reading from a former employee that the Housers like to maintain some kind of delusional "mystique" about the company, would this have anything to do with it? Like, they want nobody knowing about stuff that other companies have no issue with people knowing about. It's kind of disappointing, since I've seen other companies willingly talk about how their games are made and show off stuff that had to be cut and explain why things were changed, but Rockstar likes to act mysterious for some stupid reason."

 

Probably. They also probably don't want people hearing about how awful the internal management and conditions are.

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"In a post reply you made earlier, you said « Rockstar’s owners haven’t worked on a game since GTA 3 ». Are you talking about some Take Two executives or the Houser brothers? Because I can always see the latter listed in the credits (even in RDR2) so I’m a bit confused."

 

Thanks. The Houser brothers are part of the problem but there's a whole slew of old guard guys prancing around in Britain making sure that the aim assist sucks and you have to button mash to sprint. They also do writing and managing, not anything with the actual gameplay.

 

Working conditions:

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"So is Benzies correct with the claims he made?"

 

Yes the working conditions were horrible. A few people had those "overwork deaths" during development. A lot of it was due to company waste and poor management too. We had to pretty much start over 3-4 times and make the game from scratch.

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Thing is that R* is incredibly rich and willing to spend more money on lawyers than treating their employees fairly. Most of us live paycheck to paycheck and can't afford legal fees. Anyway you really don't want my former job. If you want to get into game development get with a small indie team.

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Possibly but a lot of the other guys who got canned signed contracts that basically took away any legal recourse they had against R*

 

Mexico:

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"Why was Mexico cut out?"

There was no point in it. New Austin was only left in because we needed the Biome.

GTA/RDR Universe Overlap:

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There was a note underlined twice that said nothing should be named after a location in GTA.

 

I recall a leak made a long time ago that you were supposed to have more than three playable character (and the issues of RDRII's development), so that at least that lines up. The guy sounds like someone in the know, but you never know with the internet these days- and some of those crazier rape/KKK ideas would have been nonstarters and would have likely never been made in the first place if the game didn't want legal issues or a Mature rating slapped onto it from Day 1.

 

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Also some of this stuff may contradict other thing because we had to basically remake the game from the ground up multiple times in a lot of areas.

This sounds like it lines up with the whole problem of making and remaking vertical slices of the game. Some of these concepts if real, were probably just concepts and never made far into development as game developers sometimes go through lots of crazy ideas before settling on the final ones- I don't know why people in that thread are freaking out and assuming that there was a fully-finished rape scene in the testing versions. The guy even says:

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"Also, a lot of these ideas seem too ludicrous to be that fleshed out."

 

Yes some of them didn't go very far.

I think there are definitely hints that RDR2 was supposed to be a much more ambitious game (devs mentioned a lot of cut procedural systems, and the camp system feels underutilized among others), but technical and studio management issues (recall the whole 100-hour work week brouhaha right before release) resulted in a more pared-down and manageable release.

 

Some of these systems would have been nice to have, others would have been extraneous and a chore- game development also means actively curating the game during development and making a game and plot that feels tight and focused. Regardless, working conditions sound horrible, if the guy is legit he should contact Kotaku or other journalist websites.

 

 

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There's a group of 60 year old British men [...] that want all of their games to basically be a composite of popular films from when they were young. And on the side of that there's a free roam game that is held back because of that focus on cinematics.

This sounds believable given how many movie scenes this game references, and lines up with what I feel about the game and its issues of mission/gameplay constraints.

Edited December 24, 2018 by jje1000

[jje1000]

Anyways, if any of this was real, I personally would love to see the dialogue/concepts recorded for them.

 

Still holding out hope for that Art of Red Dead Redemption II artbook!