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Does the bandana even do anything?

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SeniorDerp
7 hours ago, OddProject said:

Tempted to do the gold glitch, just get a small amount of cash to pay off bounty and upgrade the camp.

There's at least $2k in gold to be found in the open world, maybe even more, that's all ive found

 

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tre288
10 minutes ago, Dr.Rosenthal said:

If I commit a crime, there will be the "Wanted"-meter, but the difference being that authorities can't identify me. So as long as I don't get seen wearing the bandana, I can just ride off, wait for the meter to drain fully, and then take off the bandana and ride into the nearest town..

 

They 100% can and still do identify you... bandana or not.

 

Whats the point of a bandana if it only applies "if you don't get seen"?

 

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Dr.Rosenthal

@tre288 I'm not sure I understand... The way it's been working for me is:

 

1. I know I'm going to rob someone. I equip bandana. I rob someone.

2. People all around me can see me robbing and killing the guy. They run to tell the sheriff. I let them.

3. I ride out of sight, wait for "Wanted"-meter to disappear. Unequip bandana.

4. Ride back to the crime scene and have a look around. No one recognizes me.

5. No one knew that I did the robbery. I don't get Wanted, and no bounty is set on me (since no one knows I did it).

 

So yeah. Crimes will still be reported to authorities etc. But the point of wearing a bandana is not to be unseen. It is that, even though you're witnessed, no one knows who committed the crime. So you won't get a bounty placed on you, and authorities will not search for you.

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I never did anything in Strawberry and I was literally identified as Arthur Morgan and had a $250 bounty after a certain mission there. 

Are you actually talking about the Strawberry mission that involved killing lawmen?

 

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Rob a store for $20, get a $40 bounty on your head....

What's the issue there ? 

 

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And full on masks don't work either! I tried....

What is it that don't work?

 

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then we have the OP terminator bounty hunters that aren't even fair. They have GTA V level of accuracy!

Completely false. 

 

 

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Getting bounties for literally everything even when there’s no one around. 

False.

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AcropolisGER

Never had any problems so far. Equipped the bandana before robbing the general store in valentine. Someone saw me, I ran out the back door, unequipped the bandana and it just said "Wanted Robbery Unknown Suspect" Sheriff saw me lingering around and questioned me. I tried to defuse the Situation and all that happened was the sheriff telling me to get lost and I escaped the Radius without a bounty.

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Oldsport
4 hours ago, anthony said:

Are you actually talking about the Strawberry mission that involved killing lawmen?

 

What's the issue there ? 

 

What is it that don't work?

 

Completely false. 

 

 

False.

 

I don't believe that, from everything that I saw in more than 45 hours I was never being shot at in a town just like that, and I spend a lot of time in Valentine. Some people can make fun of you and try to harass you, if you walk away you won't have any problem; when I tried to diffuse or escalate the situation, they came at me to punch me but they never actually put their pistols out unles you pull your gun out and shoot them, they will too.

i agree with everything you said except the last part lol gangs do sometimes shoot at you unprovoked, it literally just happened to me but yeah youre spot on, some people just like to complain

the masks work just as they supposed to

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15 minutes ago, Oldsport said:

i agree with everything you said except the last part lol gangs do sometimes shoot at you unprovoked, it literally just happened to me but yeah youre spot on, some people just like to complain

the masks work just as they supposed to

Yes, I was wrong about that..I just read that on reddit multiple times too.

 

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Once, an O’Driscoll started shooting me in Valentine and I shot back in defence and got Wanted.

But i talked to the Sheriff and he told me to leave the city. Once I did, my Wanted level disappeared and I re-entered the city again with no consequence.

 

 

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chipsanddips

Masks work great, as said crimes will be reported but when wanted goes no bounty

 

Surrender to sherrif will also clear bounty 

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Mister Pink

I've robbed the drug store and his back door operations and killed 4 people during that robbery. I was wearing a bandana. The law was in full force after me. I made a quick escape through the front door, dodging bullets, and had only received a bounty for $1.50, which I believe was for assault.  When you do a cost-benefit analysis on that robbery vs bounty, it's well worth it. I also robbed that same place and got a $10 bounty. 

 

Last night I rescued a female captive, being transported by lawmen in a caged carriage. I blew the heads off the lawmen before they even knew what was happening. No bounty or anything.  I will say it was late at night and there wasn't a soul around. 

 

I know that wearing the bandana won't give you 100% impunity but I really want to believe there is a "smart" way to use it. I just don't know what that smart way is. It's been a mixed bag. When I rob the drug store I put the bandana on as I'm walking in the door so nobody notices me outside wearing it as it arouses suspicion.  By the time the shopkeep sees me I'm already pointing a gun at him to the robbery comes into effect. 

 

 

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3 hours ago, chipsanddips said:

Masks work great, as said crimes will be reported but when wanted goes no bounty

 

Surrender to sherrif will also clear bounty 

Not only that but it work if you pass by lawmen, I did a crime in Saint Denis with a bandana, obviously the witnesses did not see my face, while mounting on my horse and riding away lawmen were arriving to investigate in the same direction on foot, one of the lawmen told me "hey you, take that off!" I didn't stop, just kept riding away fast and they did not recognized me.

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chipsanddips

I robbed the gun shop with a full mask got wanted upon return no bounty 

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An example;

 

Yesterday near a lake I killed a prospector, looted him than just a few moment after I heard a rider arriving..

He slowed dow, I looked at him, he looked at me, then he kept riding.

I was not wanted, and obviously no witnesse investigating.

 

Then, a few minutes later after that I dropped his body in the water which by the way did not get me wanted or anything.

 

I saw another rider passing by, so I chased him pulled my gun out and screamed for him to stop but he didn't, so I shot him.

 

Again, there was no one around so I didn't got wanted.

 

All that to say that you do not get wanted if no one is around and I've never experienced invisible witnesses.

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Dr.Rosenthal

I'm really starting to like this system. It was a bit confusing at first, but it's struck me with awe a few times now, and for that I'm grateful and highly appreciative.

 

Yesterday I surrendered to lawmen in St. Denis.

It all started with me being too hasty (again...) and so when I wanted to get up on the horse I pressed triangle while running towards it, but instead I accidentally grabbed the nearest passerby by the throat and started strangling him. Quite hilarious. But it's not all what I wanted to do so I immediately let go of him but quickly realized it was already too late to make amends as I'd been seen by 3 people already and I couldn't start shooting witnesses in broad daylight in the game's biggest city. And no, I had no bandana on. So I started running and could see that lawmen were investigating. They caught my scent, so I ran through some back alleys and miraculously zig-zagged my way to the Post Office, thinking I'd be ready to pay off my bounty as soon as it appeared.

But, lawmen soon showed up by the Post Office too. I sneaked around the back, and managed to avoid them at first. But then they had me cornered, and so when one of them came around the corner to where I was, I just stood up and put my hands in the air. Got to spend a few hours (IRL: seconds) sitting in the jail, and then I was free to leave. I probably paid a fine, but I didn't notice how much it was. Couldn't have been much.

 

So yeah. Sometimes it's better to not gun your way out of trouble. I really appreciate how all this works, so far. Makes you think before you start killing people. Killing should, quite literally, be a bloody mess.

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Display Name
On 10/28/2018 at 6:12 AM, MaGicBush said:

Yea I got pissed off earlier when I was trying to help a guy from getting mugged. I fist fought two bad guys, and apparently killed one. Some witness walked up and I randomly got a murder wanted level for $35. I'm early in the game and just bought my new horse saddle, etc and have no money to pay it off. Very annoying since I was helping someone. This system need adjustment. 

I mean mugging someone isn't exactly a reason to kill them.

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Dr.Rosenthal
3 minutes ago, Display Name said:

I mean mugging someone isn't exactly a reason to kill them.

 

That's right. I really like it that we can't go around being murderous maniacs all the time. Or we can, but it makes it much more difficult, and expensive. Just how it should be. Or, at least you really have to plan ahead if you want to stay ahead, take into account things like timing, locale, closeness to the Sheriff etc etc... I love it so far.

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tre288
34 minutes ago, Dr.Rosenthal said:

 

That's right. I really like it that we can't go around being murderous maniacs all the time. Or we can, but it makes it much more difficult, and expensive. Just how it should be. Or, at least you really have to plan ahead if you want to stay ahead, take into account things like timing, locale, closeness to the Sheriff etc etc... I love it so far.

I mean.. you're stroking this system way too hard tbh..

 

I stole a train in st denis, avoided the law while they chased me a bit with a 150 bounty, stopped the train in the damn mountains across from some waterfall in the grizzlies, all passengers vanished so I couldn't rob them.. fine whatever..

 

Throw a dynamite to blast the safe in the train (again suspended on a mountain bridge in the middle of nowhere now days away from st denis literally no one around to see it as again.. I'm basically in the air with how high this bridge track is, automatic jump from 150 to 500 bounty now and was instantly detected, and reported.. for 20 bucks..

 

Piss off with that game..

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Dr.Rosenthal

@tre288 Wow. Doesn't sound like you're enjoying yourself, like, at all. Sorry to hear it but maybe this game is not for you then?

 

About that train; couldn't there have been someone around to notice the explosion? Someone you didn't see?

Listen, all I know is that I'm having a great time playing it, and with how the bounty system works - well, it works perfectly well according to my tastes and I haven't come across anything outlandish as of yet.

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tre288
26 minutes ago, Dr.Rosenthal said:

@tre288 Wow. Doesn't sound like you're enjoying yourself, like, at all. Sorry to hear it but maybe this game is not for you then?

 

About that train; couldn't there have been someone around to notice the explosion? Someone you didn't see?

Listen, all I know is that I'm having a great time playing it, and with how the bounty system works - well, it works perfectly well according to my tastes and I haven't come across anything outlandish as of yet.

 

It doesn't work perfectly at all, and no I'm not enjoying myself. This is the first time I feel like Rockstar has implemented features to make truly annoying and outright discourage having fun with their crime activities.

 

Literally every single person on that train was gone. Vanished. Instead of robbing them immediately I figure Hey, let's plan ahead, put in some extra effort, and play it smart" I stole the train only to discover that they disappear. Every lawman, guard, and civilian were gone, and the train stopped in the most remote location conceivable. No one around to accidentally die from an explosion, no one around who even could have been near since well... the train was on a bridge literally up in mountain areas, and not being on the train means you're falling a long, long way down to your death.

 

Your only choices when you've got a stupid high bounty? Die and the bounty persists anyway, or kill pursuers and rack it up even more. Considering you get reported for every stupid little thing, that alone adds up.

 

This incident is the last straw for me, so I'll be happily doing the gold bar thing to cushion this insane bounty and detection system. 

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Dr.Rosenthal

@tre288 Ok, well. Seems our experiences are very different then. The situation you had sounds really strange to be honest, and I haven't had anything like that happen to me while playing. But it's still early and there's a lot more to discover, so, we'll see how it pans out for me.

 

But, speaking from my own experience this far into the game, I actually do think it works perfectly.

 

"[...] Rockstar has implemented features to make truly annoying and outright discourage having fun with their crime activities." (your quote)

 

See, I don't think that's the case at all. Quite the opposite, in fact; this improvement to the gameplay and to the bounty system creates a new level of difficulty, meaning you can't always just run around like a clown creating a mess. You have to think and act fast. And if you just carelessly kill people you're making it even harder for yourself.

 

The adventures I've had these past few days trying to stay undetected, getting out of a bloodstained mess, being chased here and there and trying to actually talk witnesses into being silent - that whole experience, to me, is worth so much more than my "freedom to have fun with their crime activities". Blowing sh*t up and killing everyone gets old real quick, in my opinion. No matter how free it feels. In a way, the more free it is the more pointless it seems.

 

I hope the gold bar thingy might help you appreciate the game better!

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tre288
23 minutes ago, Dr.Rosenthal said:

@tre288 Ok, well. Seems our experiences are very different then. The situation you had sounds really strange to be honest, and I haven't had anything like that happen to me while playing. But it's still early and there's a lot more to discover, so, we'll see how it pans out for me.

 

But, speaking from my own experience this far into the game, I actually do think it works perfectly.

 

"[...] Rockstar has implemented features to make truly annoying and outright discourage having fun with their crime activities." (your quote)

 

See, I don't think that's the case at all. Quite the opposite, in fact; this improvement to the gameplay and to the bounty system creates a new level of difficulty, meaning you can't always just run around like a clown creating a mess. You have to think and act fast. And if you just carelessly kill people you're making it even harder for yourself.

 

 

 

And I'm saying I've never been more punished for NOT playing like a clown, a maniac, killing indiscriminately etc..

 

Punching a guy who shot me several times (like a clown) for standing there isn't playing like a clown or killing indiscriminately, but it's gotten me wanted. Having to run away from someone being the aggressor in game because the system makes me the bad guy regardless isn't fun.

 

Having to constantly be afraid that my bounty is going to just rocket up passed what i have money wise and forever remain until I manage to scrape the money together to pay it off, or get chased endlessly, die, lose money, repeat until bounty is paid off just isn't fun.

 

The game could take half of what your bounty was if you died and I'd be somewhat content with that. As is committing crimes with a bandana that barely conceals your identity and still ends with you becoming wanted as Arthur Morgan, or becoming wanted in the middle of nowhere with some ridiculous high out of nowhere bounty, only to be forced to pay it in full, or increase it trying to steal money with the janky bandana to pay off your bounty, or increase it as you stay alive to again.. eventually just pay it in full whenever you manage it just simply isn't fun.

 

You can be smart about your crimes and not play like a clown all you want. The systems in place don't seem to care regardless. There's almost no incentive to risk doing the crimes, and that puts some big restrictions on the fun.

 

The game's been perfect in every other sense, but I literally hate how they've structured this system.

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Dr.Rosenthal

@tre288 Ok then. Like I said, my experience is obviously very, very different from yours and I feel that every time I've gotten a bounty or have become wanted, it's been because of something that I actively did wrong (such as shooting someone in cold blood that I might not have had to kill) or because I didn't plan my actions (for example, by putting on a bandana before committing a robbery).

 

I'll definitely get back here and post about it should any of it change..

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Slonitram

The bandana is definitely just some cosmetic item to wear on your face like the masks from GTA Online during the Heists; they don't do anything at all. I've tested by robbing a train. I put it on the moment I heard it in the distance, tailed it for a few minutes, hopped on the train and began robbing people. Honor points were down, Arthur's name popped up on the top right as they recognized me and my bounty was set. Really disappointing.

 

What about the masks that cover your whole face, though? Do they change anything? 

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DexMacLeod
On 10/28/2018 at 3:48 AM, wxflurry said:

They're not going to "patch" the system because I'm pretty sure it's functioning the way they intended.

The system may be working as intended but it's not working as advertised.

 

I recently got attacked by a gang while I was leaving a town, killed them all. Apparently there was a deputy right there and I got a Wanted Level that said "move along". I got maybe two steps away and it changed to "Witness Investigating". Maybe a mile or so later and I was wanted, by name, for murder.

 

Later I found a train that had stopped in the middle of nowhere and was being robbed. I killed the robbers (accidentally killing one of their horses in the process) and went to check on the passengers. While I was at the front of the train a Witness appeared and was investigating the scene. I was about four cars away from the witness with the train between us so there's no way he could have seen me but still he managed to piece together that it was Arthur Morgan who had done this and went to report me for animal cruelty.

 

Luckily I was able to get to the guy be he reported me and so there was no bounty but this kind of thing happens to me a lot. A witness stumbles upon my "crime scene", investigates it for a moment, and just somehow knows it was me who did it. Usually I'm far enough away that I have to pause and look at the big map to even figure out where the person who supposedly saw me even is. And they're usually far enough away from me that I can't even get to them before they report me because it turns out they don't actually have to get to a lawman to report you. They just have to get a certain distance away from you.

 

Most of my real problems with the bounty system happened early on in the story and now having finished it the game far exceeded my expectations but the wanted system taught me from the beginning to avoid interacting with NPCs and just mind my own business. I can't imagine that's what Rockstar wanted. 

 

 

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MjrOu812

I am still on the fence...about the bandana working right?

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Wolfboy20
On 10/29/2018 at 11:15 AM, Shadowfennekin said:

It just has to be glitched.

I never did anything in Strawberry and I was literally identified as Arthur Morgan and had a $250 bounty after a certain mission there. It was total bullsh*t.... then the same happened during some major robbery missions.

 

And full on masks don't work either! I tried....

I really hope they fix this cause it makes the actual crime part of the game NOT fun. Rob a store for $20, get a $40 bounty on your head..... then we have the OP terminator bounty hunters that aren't even fair. They have GTA V level of accuracy!

Yeah the bounty hunters are annoying af! I understand if theu know where you are(because they track you down like in rdr1) but they are wayy too accurate and can take multiple shotgun blasts at close range like how???

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HopalongCasidy
8 hours ago, DexMacLeod said:

The system may be working as intended but it's not working as advertised.

 

I recently got attacked by a gang while I was leaving a town, killed them all. Apparently there was a deputy right there and I got a Wanted Level that said "move along". I got maybe two steps away and it changed to "Witness Investigating". Maybe a mile or so later and I was wanted, by name, for murder.

 

Later I found a train that had stopped in the middle of nowhere and was being robbed. I killed the robbers (accidentally killing one of their horses in the process) and went to check on the passengers. While I was at the front of the train a Witness appeared and was investigating the scene. I was about four cars away from the witness with the train between us so there's no way he could have seen me but still he managed to piece together that it was Arthur Morgan who had done this and went to report me for animal cruelty.

 

Luckily I was able to get to the guy be he reported me and so there was no bounty but this kind of thing happens to me a lot. A witness stumbles upon my "crime scene", investigates it for a moment, and just somehow knows it was me who did it. Usually I'm far enough away that I have to pause and look at the big map to even figure out where the person who supposedly saw me even is. And they're usually far enough away from me that I can't even get to them before they report me because it turns out they don't actually have to get to a lawman to report you. They just have to get a certain distance away from you.

 

Most of my real problems with the bounty system happened early on in the story and now having finished it the game far exceeded my expectations but the wanted system taught me from the beginning to avoid interacting with NPCs and just mind my own business. I can't imagine that's what Rockstar wanted. 

 

 

Try changing clothes/hat/masks while fleeing the scene.  You also can go intimidate the witness.  There's a mission that walks you through the finer points of this.  You got greedy robbing the train.   I get greedy looting gang members.  It happens.  

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elbongo

Well. I think it works most of the time, however trying to rob a train is impossible. Instant wanted $60. 

 

Like others mention, there is no way you can be realistically identified. Is it because the guards are 'law men'? Makes no sense. 

 

I get the other stuff. But this annoys me. 

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Pressure Drop

There is a story mission early on where John goes to the store to buy something. Arthur mentioned that he didn't like the sound of this, so I tried to play it smart, and put on my bandana before meeting John. Unfortunately I didn't notice the Sherriff was stood having a coffee on his porch next to me! - "Now why would you put that mask on?" He said. Whoops... so I removed it again. "You're playing with fire, buddy" he said, and started following me for a bit! So in this particular situation, I can confirm the bandana does do something!

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tre288
39 minutes ago, Pressure Drop said:

There is a story mission early on where John goes to the store to buy something. Arthur mentioned that he didn't like the sound of this, so I tried to play it smart, and put on my bandana before meeting John. Unfortunately I didn't notice the Sherriff was stood having a coffee on his porch next to me! - "Now why would you put that mask on?" He said. Whoops... so I removed it again. "You're playing with fire, buddy" he said, and started following me for a bit! So in this particular situation, I can confirm the bandana does do something!

 

You've confirmed nothing other than NPCs remark on what you wear, which happens with a lot of clothing items in game.

 

Does it actually function? Hardly.

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Mask and bandana work although there is an issue where you are instantly indentified if you shoot a lawmen.

 

@elbongo yes now that you mention the train issue, I suspect the guards are in the same group as lawmen which is why we are instantly indentified.

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