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RDR 2 Mysterys *SPOILER*

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Deadman2112
9 minutes ago, Cutter De Blanc said:

It's scorer not sorcerer 

I always thought it was sorcerer

 

If I'm wrong about that then I apologize.

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Nutbuster3000

Is there any big mystery still unsolved like that chiliad bullsh*t from V that turned out to be nothing? Seems like most of the easter eggs and mysterys in red dead 2 are pretty obvious.

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On 12/7/2018 at 2:34 PM, Cutter De Blanc said:

It's scorer not sorcerer 

 

"When the great Scorer comes

 To mark against your name

It doesn't matter if you win or lose

It's how you play the game"

 

Or something like that.  But yeah scorer, as in a guy who keeps score

Thank you for pointing that out...

 

 

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This is the corrected version of my posts from the previous page...

 

So I think I may have found another clue to the mystery of the Black Hat man...

 

Early in chapter 3 during the fishing trip with Dutch and Hosea. Eventually, you come across Josiah Trelawne in the back of a sheriff's prisoner transport wagon. 

 

Dutch starts talking to the sheriff and asks about Trelawne. The sheriff says he is a con man, but Dutch tells the sheriff that he has it all wrong, that he is merely a magician.

 

After the cut seen ends you then have to chase down the guys who brake out of the wagon and bring them to justice.

 

At the end of this mission they give you the option to still go fishing.

During the ride to the fishing spot there is an optional conversation that is very easy to overlook.

It you trigger it you will be given the option to talk about several things.


One of them being the subject of Trelawne.

 

This is just a clip of the whole conversation but, well you'll see...

 

 

Hmmmmm.....

"He certainly is good at disappearing"

 

I'm starting to think everything he presents himself to be is all a lie. I truly believe he is the Black Hat Man (Aka The Mysterious Stranger) and Edmund Lowry Jr. was simply a ruse he concocted to confuse.

 

Why do I think this?

Because what is the main thing magicians are good at?

The art of Illusion.

 

Now I want you to hold on to what you heard in that video because I'll get to that at the end. But before I go further, I would like to add that there is a place in GTAV called "Mount Josiah"

 

Then there is this...

 

In GTAV located near Textile City in Mission Row, there is the a giant mural/sign know as the Sinner's Passage (it's called that because if just off of Sinner St.). It's  also know as The Scorers Riddle.

 

Here is a link I found to an image of it if you are interested...

 

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It says along the outer edge of the mural/sign...

 

"For when the great scorer comes to write against your name. He marks not that you won but how you played the game"

 

Once again the words "receive an Easter egg from your ancestors" keeps coming to mind. For those who are unfamiliar with this it's a quote from GTAV.

 

 

Now for the link between the two games...

The back hat man is well know for not only knowing John Marston in RDR1 but in his last encounter with John two major things...
...First he refers to himself as an accountant of sorts.
...Then he disappeared right before John's eyes. (This is why I said hold on to what you heard in that video)

 

Then there is this...

If you look up accountant it says...

They keep track of financial records. The act of doing this is referred to by professional accountants as "SCORING"

 

The same thing said on the Sinner's Passage, and the same thing the black hat man says to John.

 

Even if you dislike or disagree with idea of Trelawne being the black hat man.

I say ok, dismiss that part if you like.

...but the link between the black hat man and the Sinners Passage can't be denied.

 

So, for those keeping score that's 4 huge connections between the two games...

...The UFOs

...The Epsilon program/Cult (including the dinosaurs quote from GTAV and the side quest in this game to find all the dino bones)

...The Altruist Cult and Dutch

...The Sinners Passage and The Black Hat Man (including the fact that there is a mountain in GTAV called Mount Josiah and the UFO above it is also black and quite mysterious as it is clearly different from the others.)

 

I get that some don't like this idea and call it a conspiracy theory and if this were real life I'd be inclined to agree.

Because in real life coincidences happen all the time.

 

But in a virtually created world like a video game???

No way.

Because in this place everything was created with a purpose. Right down to every word you hear and everything you see...

 

Personally, I feel anyone who can't SEE it now is, well...

The saying, "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink", comes to mind.

 

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One more point to make about stuff I put in the above posts...

 

What's the one thing that all of us know for sure?

 

...well we know John doesn't remember ever meeting the mysterious stranger right?

 

If Josiah is the black hat man, then how can they meet up in this game?

John would have remembered it, but doesn't.

 

However many players say they do meet up in camp.

Right?

Could have sworn, I've seen several post about this.

If I'm wrong, can someone correct me?

 

If this is correct then we know that's not how the story goes. Right?

 

...and, what did the Epsilon tract from GTAV teach us?

The tract has already been written...

 

...basically, make the story go the way you know it has been written.

 

So.

Now...

The big question...

How do you stop the two of them from ever meeting?

 

 

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BretMaverick777
On 11/17/2018 at 4:38 PM, SneakyDeaky said:

Nothing big, but I found this "mysterious writing" on the wall in Blackwater and IDK if it's a point of interest or what, but it gets marked in your journal.

https://streamable.com/jmmxs
 

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g1nloa7


The "I wonder who lived in this strange house" entry is regarding something else.

Fascinating.

The glyphs are definitely Maya or Aztec derived, but most likely not real-world.   Couple of interesting things, though:

1.   The glyphs are probably a fairly simple code (which I obviously can't decipher at 2 AM on a Thursday night with insomnia setting in).  Seems that first glyph recurs several times, sometimes in sequence, in that layout; so they're probably meant to translate to English letters.  Probably nothing earth shattering, but I'm sure Rockstar wants us to figure it out.

2.   I could be wrong, but that seems to be the exact spot from RDR1 that was the site of a fairly infamous glitch....done the right way, you could glitch through the brick wall there and step inside an otherwise locked Grand Theater.  (Getting back out of the theater was impossible, though.)   My guess is Rockstar wrote a code there that's poking fun at the glitch/ers.

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Cutter De Blanc

 

12 hours ago, BretMaverick777 said:

2.   I could be wrong, but that seems to be the exact spot from RDR1 that was the site of a fairly infamous glitch....done the right way, you could glitch through the brick wall there and step inside an otherwise locked Grand Theater.  (Getting back out of the theater was impossible, though.)   My guess is Rockstar wrote a code there that's poking fun at the glitch/ers.

It's not, it's on the back of the Imperial Theater,  which doesn't exist in RDR1

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Nutduster

This talk about Trelawney being the Strange Man is silly IMO.  One, he's clearly not.  And two, it actually wouldn't be very interesting or satisfying even if he was.  So he acts like a goof and hangs out with the gang and periodically gets himself into silly scrapes in RDR2, then becomes essentially death personified in RDR?  Is that supposed to be a jaw-dropping surprise?  They're just two very different characters that happen to look somewhat alike.

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Cutter De Blanc

Their facial structures are completely different.  Trelawney has a much thinner face. The cheeks are different. It's like thinking every man in Saint Denis with a top hat and a handlebar mustache is the Strange Man. He must be all over the place!

 

Plus the Strange Man is over at Baygall Edge so there's that 

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1 hour ago, Cutter De Blanc said:

Their facial structures are completely different.  Trelawney has a much thinner face. The cheeks are different. It's like thinking every man in Saint Denis with a top hat and a handlebar mustache is the Strange Man. He must be all over the place!

 

Plus the Strange Man is over at Baygall Edge so there's that 

*Bayall Edge

 

Which is pronounced the same as Ba'al.  The demon. 

Just sayin 

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Jabalous

Josiah Trelawny isn't the stranger. Enough of that theorizing! The man has an actual, existing family! 

 

 

Plus the Redemption's stranger model exists as it was, but of course in higher resolution, in Redemption 2. You all know about the cabin in the swamps where you can meet him in the epilogue. Plus II, he's a mission giver in Online! a magician, thief, and scammer in the story! 

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46 minutes ago, Jabalous said:

Josiah Trelawny isn't the stranger. Enough of that theorizing! The man has an actual, existing family! 

 

 

Plus the Redemption's stranger model exists as it was, but of course in higher resolution, in Redemption 2. You all know about the cabin in the swamps where you can meet him in the epilogue. Plus II, he's a mission giver in Online! a magician, thief, and scammer in the story! 

Yeah, in RDO, Trelawney still lives in the gypsy "trailer park" just outside Rhodes.  Not auspicious digs for The Strange Man, who prefers the serial killer shack deep in the bayou. 

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Deadman2112
On 12/14/2018 at 4:24 PM, Jabalous said:

Josiah Trelawny isn't the stranger. Enough of that theorizing! The man has an actual, existing family! 

 

Lol if that's all it takes then I have bridge I want to sell you...

Send me an address and I'll send the billing info lol

(Just making a joke!!! Can't believe I even have to stress that point, lol but it is what it is I guess.)

 

Nice video by the way.

 

But for me something just doesn't seem right with that.

He says...

Fill you glass but you never hear anyone pore anything.

 

Then he says...

Go play kids but you never hear them run off...

 

I wonder why that is?

 

Maybe it's just me but, it was like listening to an old leave it to beaver clip, and how when you hear them everything sounds...

...insincere

...staged

...fake

 

However, a few points to make about what you see in the video 

...or in this case don't SEE.

 

...that could be a record playing on a phonograph.

...could be him making the voices himself.

...for all you know, he could have a real family held at gunpoint making them say that. 

 

...but, for the sake of argument. Let's entertain the idea that your right for a moment.

So, you say you know "for sure" he has a family; Right?

 

So you've seen this "mystery" family, then have you?

...like video proof of them?

...like a photograph that you took yourself?

...like overhead NPC neighbors even make mention of them ever seeing them?

...anything that corroborates that they are real?

 

If not...

Then that only provides more evidence of a good Illusionist fooling the hell out of you...

 

P.S.

Thought online happens much earlier in the timeline?

Unless I'm mistaken...

I even thought they said it was confirmed by R*

...unless that post was BS.

 

 

One last thing I suspect.

(I say suspect because I'm still tracking down clues on this one) The Chelonians are the Children Of The Mountain from GTAV. 

...and I'm pretty sure their webpage in GTAV says something about turtles

 

I say this because the bodies of the Epsilon group is in the game...

Near Cholla Springs if I remember correctly.

 

Oh, and that's about to be 5 huge links between the games

Just thought I'd mention that for the ones keeping score.

 

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BretMaverick777
10 hours ago, Deadman2112 said:

Lol if that's all it takes then I have bridge I want to sell you...

Send me an address and I'll send the billing info lol

(Just making a joke!!! Can't believe I even have to stress that point, lol but it is what it is I guess.)

 

Nice video by the way.

 

But for me something just doesn't seem right with that.

He says...

Fill you glass but you never hear anyone pore anything.

 

Then he says...

Go play kids but you never hear them run off...

 

I wonder why that is?

 

Maybe it's just me but, it was like listening to an old leave it to beaver clip, and how when you hear them everything sounds...

...insincere

...staged

...fake

 

However, a few points to make about what you see in the video 

...or in this case don't SEE.

 

...that could be a record playing on a phonograph.

...could be him making the voices himself.

...for all you know, he could have a real family held at gunpoint making them say that. 

 

...but, for the sake of argument. Let's entertain the idea that your right for a moment.

So, you say you know "for sure" he has a family; Right?

 

So you've seen this "mystery" family, then have you?

...like video proof of them?

...like a photograph that you took yourself?

...like overhead NPC neighbors even make mention of them ever seeing them?

...anything that corroborates that they are real?

 

If not...

Then that only provides more evidence of a good Illusionist fooling the hell out of you...

 

...but <I> C

 

P.S.

Thought online happens much earlier in the timeline?

Unless I'm mistaken...

I even thought they said it was confirmed by R*

...unless that post was BS.

 

 

The devil is in the details my friends...

That, he, is!

 

 

One last thing I suspect.

(I say suspect because I'm still tracking down clues on this one) The Chelonians are the Children Of The Mountain from GTAV. 

...and I'm pretty sure their webpage in GTAV says something about turtles

 

I say this because the bodies of the Epsilon group is in the game...

Near Cholla Springs if I remember correctly.

 

Oh, and that's about to be 5 huge links between the games

Just thought I'd mention that for the ones keeping score.

 

Edit...

@Nutduster

 

So you know for sure it's not entertaining?

How so?

 

 

"Maybe it's just me..." 

It is just you.  Trust. 👍

 

Feller, I've heard less "it was all a ruse" stories from faked moon landings and faked 9/11 conspiracy theorists

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Cutter De Blanc

Someone on reddit solved the Blackwater code. It's alphanumeric,  and translates to "Blessed are the peacemakers Ayauhteotl"

 

Ayauhteotl is the god from undead nightmare

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XAIKON

Can we ban this guy with the trelawney is the mysterious stranger idiotic theory? This is going to be brian all over again, we don't want another mystery thread hijacked and ruined by a self indulgent delusional attention whore do we?

 

People should start investigating the alien rocks, when you stand near one for a few seconds, a human npc or animal will always show up dead in the vicinty, cause of death unknown. Each rock carving depicts aliens, and a moon phase, and it looks like they relate to the mt. shann sundial. Investigation ongoing over here -

 

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Can we ban this guy with the trelawney is the mysterious stranger idiotic theory? This is going to be brian all over again, we don't want another mystery thread hijacked and ruined by a self indulgent delusional attention whore do we?

Ban?   Why the hell should somebody get banned just for coming up with a theory or an opinion?   I don't agree with most of his theories at all, but good lord, First Amendment, dude.   He's got the right to post whatever he wants, as long as it doesn't violate TOS. 

 

The fact is that Trelawny has his own set of mysteries, but they're decidedly far more down to earth than The Strange Man.  He's just a guy who's working with the gang to make money to secretly provide for his family in St. Denis.  He's kept them secret from Dutch and the others, probably because he doesn't want to drag them into his illicit doings (unlike the Marston family, who seem to think that the family that outlaws together, stays together).  And, given the location of the Trelawny family's home in the Chinatown section of St. Denis, it's likely that they're Asian.   Fear of racism from the likes of Micah Bell and Bill Williamson probably makes Trelawny wisely maintain their secrecy.   God only knows what those sociopaths would do to them if they found out about them.

 

In simplest terms, Trelawny is leading a double life.  He maintains a charade of being a traveling salesman or some such to his family, goes out on the occasional heist with Dutch's Gang, brings home lots of money to care for his wife and kids.  Arthur randomly finds out one day when he tails Trelawny into Chinatown, and obviously agrees to keep Trelawny's secret from the gang, in confidence.   Doesn't have to be anything more complicated than that.

 

The Strange Man is a different set of mysteries altogether, spanning two games.   But Trelawny isn't part of that at all.   Hell, I used to wonder about a connection before the game released, and posted a thread about it back in the summer; but now that we've had time to explore RDR2, it's patently obvious that these are two entirely separate characters.  And we're no closer to understanding the mystery of The Strange Man than we were at the end of RDR1.

 

3 hours ago, XAIKON said:

People should start investigating the alien rocks, when you stand near one for a few seconds, a human npc or animal will always show up dead in the vicinty, cause of death unknown. Each rock carving depicts aliens, and a moon phase, and it looks like they relate to the mt. shann sundial. Investigation ongoing over here -

 

Now see, *this* is a real mystery, and it's new to me.   Haven't seen the alien rocks at all, but now that I've seen the reddit and YT vids, I'm checking this out for sure.  I think all the UFO/alien stuff is definitely tied together, and not just random snipe hunts Rockstar is sending us on.   IMHO, it's all prelude to a full-on Cowboys vs. Aliens DLC at some point.   Not that actual graphic novel/movie, of course, but it looks like R* wants to use an alien invasion this time for Weird West DLC instead of the hackneyed zombies DLC of Undead Nightmare from RDR1.  

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Deadman2112
On 12/16/2018 at 12:21 AM, BretMaverick777 said:

Ban?   Why the hell should somebody get banned just for coming up with a theory or an opinion?   I don't agree with most of his theories at all, but good lord, First Amendment, dude.   He's got the right to post whatever he wants, as long as it doesn't violate TOS. 

 

The fact is that Trelawny has his own set of mysteries, but they're decidedly far more down to earth than The Strange Man.  He's just a guy who's working with the gang to make money to secretly provide for his family in St. Denis.  He's kept them secret from Dutch and the others, probably because he doesn't want to drag them into his illicit doings (unlike the Marston family, who seem to think that the family that outlaws together, stays together).  And, given the location of the Trelawny family's home in the Chinatown section of St. Denis, it's likely that they're Asian.   Fear of racism from the likes of Micah Bell and Bill Williamson probably makes Trelawny wisely maintain their secrecy.   God only knows what those sociopaths would do to them if they found out about them.

 

In simplest terms, Trelawny is leading a double life.  He maintains a charade of being a traveling salesman or some such to his family, goes out on the occasional heist with Dutch's Gang, brings home lots of money to care for his wife and kids.  Arthur randomly finds out one day when he tails Trelawny into Chinatown, and obviously agrees to keep Trelawny's secret from the gang, in confidence.   Doesn't have to be anything more complicated than that.

 

The Strange Man is a different set of mysteries altogether, spanning two games.   But Trelawny isn't part of that at all.   Hell, I used to wonder about a connection before the game released, and posted a thread about it back in the summer; but now that we've had time to explore RDR2, it's patently obvious that these are two entirely separate characters.  And we're no closer to understanding the mystery of The Strange Man than we were at the end of RDR1.

 

Now see, *this* is a real mystery, and it's new to me.   Haven't seen the alien rocks at all, but now that I've seen the reddit and YT vids, I'm checking this out for sure.  I think all the UFO/alien stuff is definitely tied together, and not just random snipe hunts Rockstar is sending us on.   IMHO, it's all prelude to a full-on Cowboys vs. Aliens DLC at some point.   Not that actual graphic novel/movie, of course, but it looks like R* wants to use an alien invasion this time for Weird West DLC instead of the hackneyed zombies DLC of Undead Nightmare from RDR1.  

 

@BretMaverick777

 

lol smh

You think that's really something to look into?

You are being trolled by that guy...

 

In the video the guy shamelessly plugs his Ancient Aliens YouTube channel.

 

He makes a comment where he says...

"bear in mind we all know maps are not perfect."

 

Another user then tells him...

 

"I can agree that maps aren’t always perfect but that’s drastically inaccurate."

 

Then he offers an image of a globe as an explanation for reason behind the maps inaccuracy? lol (have to laugh at that one). A statement, I think we can all get a good laugh at because there is a map that is so dead on, you count individual foot steps to locate the treasure.

 

 

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BretMaverick777
3 hours ago, Deadman2112 said:

 

@BretMaverick777

 

^^^ (that stuff up there)

Welp.

It's like Arthur trying to talk sense to Dutch at Beaver Hollow....ain't much sense in reasoning with that level of paranoia.

 

You have a jolly old life, sir. I'm gonna go check out these alien rock carvings tonight and spend some time with some people who aren't into psychotropic drugs as much as you. But good luck with that, I ain't judge fam ✌

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Cutter De Blanc

I guess "The Devil" is listed in the credits. 

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BretMaverick777

xrKRUFT.jpg

Funky.

Found the "alien rock."

While it most definitely resembles our traditional depiction of "gray" aliens from UFO lore, I'm also going to reserve the right to say it *might* not be an alien.

The two smaller figures are holding what appear to be spears/lances.   Granted, it could be some kind of advanced alien weaponry; but it could also depict a couple of Native Americans from wayyyy back.   Maybe the drawing is ancient, or at least pre-Contact (white people contact, anyway), and was drawn by Natives showing them defending, or perhaps hunting, the giant figure in the center.  

 

Instead of an alien, is it possible this is a drawing of a giant instead....?

We know there's a skeleton of a giant on Mt. Shann.  

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We know there seems to be an actual giant living in some sort of cave in east Ambarino....Arthur has a friendly conversation with him, but never ventures close enough to see him/it.   Some people theorize that the giant he spoke to is actually a/the sasquatch, from Undead Nightmare.  

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Anyway:   could this drawing be about giants/sasquatch instead?   Maybe early Indians hunted them almost to extinction.  

 

Or, then again, maybe:  

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Jabalous

They say Arthur is reincarnated in this scene.The Blue Jay! 

 

 

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Deadman2112

(Sorry, another long one. I do apologize...)

 

Couple of things to cover and a question at the end for anyone following...

 

First...

 

@BretMaverick777

 

Maybe this might be helpful in your hunt...

 

Early on when the devil/hermit was discovered. Videos came out saying he was the devil. 

Personally I think he is a failed actor based of how theatrical he is and, how he is dressed.

...but maybe that's just me.

 

In the cave where he is located there is imagery on the walls that was also used to support the argument that he was in fact the devil by saying...

The imagery was satanic.

 

Don't think they are satanic. I'm pretty sure they are known by geologist as...

Rock Art

 

Sorry the snapshots are so dark...

 

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(Hand prints on the walls)

 

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(More Hand prints on the walls)

 

Rock Art is presumed to have been created by early Native American tribes. I say "presumed" loosely, because there is strong evidence supporting the Idea that they are in-fact the people who created them.

 

That said...
I would have to imagine that the imagery found on the walls of this cave is hinting at the urban legend about Hopi Indians. 

 

The Hopi created pictures on rocks (Rock Art) that some people today believe are depictions of Ancient Astronauts, or Aliens.

 

So maybe this lends supports to the Ancient Astronaut Alien Theory?

 

Here are more photos from the cave...

 

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One thing did stand out in the images in that cave is this one in particular...

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In this image you can see on the left there is what looks to be one figure spearing another and to the right of that you can see what looks like a dead horse?

...or maybe it's a stag or bull?

 

Given what we know about the end of this game...

Maybe this is also a reference to that?

 

 

 

Anyway getting on to my question...

 

What is this place to all of you? 

...I mean other than the obvious answer of it being the Pagan Ritual Site.

 

 

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This isn't just some some pagan ritual.

It's a specific pagan religion, and this is also it's a very specific ritual.

 

...and, a rather accurate recreation of it I should add.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Jabalous said:

They say Arthur is reincarnated in this scene.The Blue Jay! 

 

 

Cardinals are believed to be the spirits of loved ones visiting you from heaven/afterlife - maybe since Arthur's default outfit is a blue shirt with black hat and pants they thought a blue jay would make the sign more obvious?

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1 hour ago, Deadman2112 said:

(Sorry, another long one. I do apologize...)

 

Couple of things to cover and a question at the end for anyone following...

 

First...

 

@BretMaverick777

 

Maybe this might be helpful in your hunt...

 

Early on when the devil/hermit was discovered. Videos came out saying he was the devil. 

Personally I think he is a failed actor based of how theatrical he is and, how he is dressed.

...but maybe that's just me.

 

In the cave where he is located there is imagery on the walls that was also used to support the argument that he was in fact the devil by saying...

The imagery was satanic.

 

Don't think they are satanic. I'm pretty sure they are known by geologist as...

Rock Art

 

Sorry the snapshots are so dark...

 

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(Hand prints on the walls)

 

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(More Hand prints on the walls)

 

Rock Art is presumed to have been created by early Native American tribes. I say "presumed" loosely, because there is strong evidence supporting the Idea that they are in-fact the people who created them.

 

That said...
I would have to imagine that the imagery found on the walls of this cave is hinting at the urban legend about Hopi Indians. 

 

The Hopi created pictures on rocks (Rock Art) that some people today believe are depictions of Ancient Astronauts, or Aliens.

 

So maybe this lends supports to the Ancient Astronaut Alien Theory?

 

Here are more photos from the cave...

 

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One thing did stand out in the images in that cave is this one in particular...

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In this image you can see on the left there is what looks to be one figure spearing another and to the right of that you can see what looks like a dead horse?

...or maybe it's a stag or bull?

 

Given what we know about the end of this game...

Maybe this is also a reference to that?

 

 

 

Anyway getting on to my question...

 

What is this place to all of you? 

...I mean other than the obvious answer of it being the Pagan Ritual Site.

 

 

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This isn't just some some pagan ritual.

It's a specific pagan religion, and this is also it's a very specific ritual.

 

...and, a rather accurate recreation of it I should add.

 

 

I agree with you, on all those points.

The "Devil" is just...a dude.

 

But all the rock art is definitely ancient, and definitely Native American.   Along with many other sites around the land -- Window Rock and the Elysian Pond cave complex come to mind.   Whether they're tied to aliens, I don't know; but it seems reasonable enough (reasonable enough for RDR2, anyway).   The Window Rock paintings, in particular, tie to the Strange Statues puzzle, which comprises statues of a decidedly European/American design.  

 

Yeah, I've found a lot of pagan paraphernalia around the map, too, and they may or may not be tied to the Satanists.   Maybe one cult, maybe separate cults.   I'm definitely interested to see how all that ties together, too.

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2 hours ago, Jabalous said:

They say Arthur is reincarnated in this scene.The Blue Jay!  

 

 

Very wholesome. Does it appear anywhere else throughout the epilogue?

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Not Satanist...

 

It's VooDoo

 

...and the ritual is loosely translated as...
"The blessing of the warrior"
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Still trying to translate the symbols, but the goat sacrifice is part of the ritual.
 

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Zoom in on this rock and the symbol here is the warrior...
They call it Ogun Badagris Veve

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogun

 

My best guess is...

Click on the spoiler...

 

 

 This next part is strange, but even stranger that it could even be possible...

So I've done a bit of homework and found out that this ritual (the blessing of the warrior) would be preformed on someone for a few reasons...
Two that stood out...

...it would be bestowed upon someone who was going to remove a curse or hex.

the other...

...It would also be preformed before someone would face down an evil spirit.

As off the wall as that may be, it gets even stranger because the items needed for this next part are in the game with the exception of one.

First the curse or hex removal...
This is called, a ritual of banishment or protection.(Think that's kind of self explanatory, but if you want to know more Google...)

 

This is the symbol of the ritual...

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To preform a ritual of banishment or protection, you first need a few things...

...First thing is "The blessing of the warrior"

(now known to be in the game by this post)

...Salt.

(I personally can't ever remember seeing this as an item in the game, so maybe this is all a total waste of time if there isn't any? Not sure at this point.)

...A Ritual Dagger

(one can be obtained from the vampire)

...A Crucifix

(not 100% sure but I think the nun gives one to you if your honor is high enough? Not sure)

last but not least...

...A Pentagram

(think we all know where that is.)


...also might need the proper clothing.

 

In this image they show salt runes...

I guess It serves the same purpose?

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We know the player proves to the hill folk they are not cursed but are being poisoned. Yet they still insist they are cursed, so maybe this is about that?


Think what you want and, yeah maybe it is just me, but that's a lot of coincidences...
...The items
...the fact that the people still think they are cursed even after you show them It's poison.
...and let's not forget the pentagram is in the exact location needed.

If that's just dumb luck, that's crazy dumb.
However if it turns that there's no salt.
...then it might be all for nothing.

Anyway, the other reason the blessing of the warrior ritual is bestowed on someone...
It's to face down an evil spirit.

I think this one is less likely but maybe not...
I mean, it's kind of made obvious when John shoots the Black Hat Man that he is supper natural in nature...
So maybe?
I don't know, but I thought it worth a mention.

I would like to add if it is a big fat 0, and ends up being a dead end...
It certainly is a waist IMO.
Just like the crate at the altruist compound in GTAV.
 

 

Edit...

Also the night folk are under what appears to be a curse or hex called a spell of servitude.

 

 

In one of the houses by where you encounter them there is this...
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If I'm understanding it correctly, it is depicting the summoning of the evil spirit, curse, or hex.

 

Regarding the night folk...


I've had a few run ins with the night folk. Most are the same type of encounters that others have reported.
However I had one odd encounter with them that I'm not sure how many others might have run across...

 

At first the encounter didn't even seem like it was them...

There was a horse cut up in a cart just off the road. I got off my horse to investigate and my horse took off.
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I didn't realize it at the time but, my horse ran by the small church.
Eventually I called my horse but it wouldn't come.

Made my way over messed around for a few minutes then saw something in the woods.
It was a night folk running away from me. So I chased him and hog tied him but on the way back they killed my horse.


Needless to say...

He got a slug to the head and good burning for it.

I have a video of this whole thing happening 
...just need to upload.

Edit...
Ok so I watched the video and the whole thing is 30 mins long so I chopped it up so you don't have to watch me waist a bunch of time investing the horse in the cart.

 

This picks up from when I first came across the horse in the cart...

 

 

After that part of the video I spent a few mins at the horse in the cart, then I went to the area by the small church

 

Once I was there I went inside the small church then cane out and shot the bell on top the church with a few arrows to ring it.
(...oddly enough, if you shoot the bell with a gun you lose honor.)

 

...just after that was when I spotted the night folk guy.

 

He didn't show up on the radar but he was there none the less. He was just standing in the bushes watching me. When he realized I saw him he took off running, so I chased him down.

Then just as i get close enough to tackle him, they kill my horse.

 

If you watch closely, right before I tackle him you will see my horse's vitals flash red...

 

 

 


Also inside the small church there is this strange lighting thing that happens inside this place.

It seems to need a bright moon...

 

 

Kind of looks like a do not enter symbol? lol don't know what to think of it.

It certainly doesn't match the shape in the glass.
Maybe just a lighting glitch?

 

 

Edited by Deadman2112

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That's not the first vivisectioned horse I've seen, but that's the first time I've ever seen THAT particular horse in the bayou....gruesome. 

 

And speaking of crucifixes....keep in mind there's also a gold one on the altar in the Tiny Church there.  Too bad we can't grab it.

 

Yeah, I'm on board with a lot of this being about voodoo instead of satanism or Viking paganism.   It makes a LOT more sense that RDR2 would reference a lot of Haitian voodoo when you've got a whole state based on Louisiana and, particularly, New Orleans.  Not to mention Haitian Creole elements in a fictitious Caribbean island called Guarma.  It surprised me that there wasn't an outright Marie Laveau style character and voodoo shop in St. Denis, nor voodoo talismans, since the game already contains working talismans; but those are little more than accessories for hats and boots right now. 

 

Maybe connected, maybe not:   but today I had an odd encounter just NW of Van Horn.   It's a small gypsy wagon, about the same size as the one Trelawny lived in outside Rhodes.   The map marks it as "Roadside Brothel," but it looks like it went out of business long ago.  You can't enter the wagon, and there's very little to see; but what there IS to see ups the creepy factor a bit.  The madam's corpse is sitting on the porch, and looks to have been there for many, many years, untouched.  There's a large painting of a nude woman who's in a very similar pose to the voodoo painting you posted above.  You can also pick up an ancient fertility goddess statuette there which actually purports to control female fertility in the game.  (Who knows if that's legit...not a lot of opportunity for in-game childbirthing as far as I can see.)   Looks like this madam could have also been a practicing mambo, maybe up from St. Denis or Lagras. 

 

If most of this turns out to be voodoo, there's an interesting and probably intentional exploration of culture clashes at work here, too.  A lot of what we're seeing is "advertised" to the player as "satanism" and "paganism," when it's actually the remnant of African and Native American belief systems.   Which is exactly how 1900-era America would view it, too.  

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Sorry

I had the wrong link after the warrior image 

I fixed the link.

It was should have gone to Wikipedia..

 

But check out the part about the red sash 

 

Quote...

He carries an iron saber and wears a red sash. 

 

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