Next DLC Speculation Thread Mk VII

[Zak Ras]

1 minute ago, StormerBoy said:

what are you suggesting the difference was in aid of?

Most likely, whatever cutscenes were originally scripted with Ogg, Luke and Fonteno (or just Ogg, depending on who was going to be involved, I'm personally convinced Michael would be involved thanks to this little line from Single Player never getting resolved; concerning a "big target"  that is up for grabs by both the FIB & IAA, so I doubt it's the Humane Labs/Monkey Business stuff, which even then I'm not too sure of since the FIB are said to have won said funding in the Doomsday Act 3 Intro.

 

For anyone else, the chairs are all single chairs with an attatched desk, as opposed to the circular single seat design of our own. The screen wall and podiums aren't there either, instead it's just a projection screen with a desk in front of it.

[StormerBoy]

There's nothing unusual about the 18th. It's all to do with having it as close to x many days before Christmas. So you can't move it forward by one day every year, without eventually having to move it back by 6 days. Hope that makes sense.

[Rafae]

welp no announcement today

 

I'm thinking a Monday announcement or surprise release at this point.

[Zak Ras]

Just now, Rafae said:

welp no announcement today

 

I'm thinking a Monday announcement or surprise release at this point.

One more hour... hopefully.

[StormerBoy]

2 minutes ago, Zak Ras said:

Most likely, whatever cutscenes were originally scripted with Ogg, Luke and Fonteno (or just Ogg, depending on who was going to be involved, I'm personally convinced Michael would be involved thanks to this little line from Single Player never getting resolved; concerning a "big target"  that is up for grabs by both the FIB & IAA, so I doubt it's the Humane Labs/Monkey Business stuff, which even then I'm not too sure of since the FIB are said to have won said funding in the Doomsday Act 3 Intro.

 

For anyone else, the chairs are all single chairs with an attatched desk, as opposed to the circular single seat design of our own. The screen wall and podiums aren't there either, instead it's just a projection screen with a desk in front of it.

So is it the same interior (under the map) and the furniture and screen you mentioned are just props that can change?

[ddarko12]

8 minutes ago, Rafae said:

welp no announcement today

 

I'm thinking a Monday announcement or surprise release at this point.

Pretty much.

 

Why Im against 18th is because christmas is exactly a week after and usually there is a decent gap between december update and festive surprise.

[StormerBoy]

1 minute ago, ddarko12 said:

Pretty much.

 

Why Im against 18th is because christmas is exactly a week after and usually there is a decent gap between december update and festive surprise.

If it's a small update, they may do it all together.

[Zak Ras]

Just now, StormerBoy said:

So is it the same interior (under the map) and the furniture and screen you mentioned are just props that can change?

Nah, it's the original planned Facility Interior, because the IAA facility has;

- no Avenger Hangar that ours does, it just has an elevator where the door would be

- the two extra downstair levels, with the War Room and the Server Room and all the side offices in the corridors

- a custom floor design with the All Seeing Eye and 12 stars

- an extra lift where the Act 3 reward statue sits

- IAA branding like the Nightclubs interior sign in a few places

 

What it doesn't have is the extra rooms we can buy for our own locked behind the walls, they don't show on the map at all, which means R* just took an planned (now unused) Single Player Interior, redesigned it a little for extra bells and whistles, then sold it to the players as a paywall for the Doomsday Heist.

[WildBrick142]

2 hours ago, Zak Ras said:

Here's the thing;

 

How much DLC have we had since Heists that was originally planned for Single Player?

Don't know exactly, but a lot of the SP DLC mission names involve things that were added to GTAO

trevor_train
trevor_finale
0xAF3D406C //possibly cia_nlc_slt, not that it helps figuring out whats the mission about
cia_lies
cia_2
cia_drone
korean_protect
korean_rescue
korean_subbase
korean_4
korean_5
russian_pla
russian_car
russian_sat
russian_jet
russian_finale
arab_defend
arab_horse
arab_heli
casino_setup
casino_prep1
casino_prep2
casino_heist

eg. there's a mission for IAA involving a drone, a mission for/about a Korean involving a "subbase" (either a submarine base or underground base), whole strand for/about a Russian including a "sat" (satellite? == orbital cannon?).

Thinking of it, they could always recycle the casino and arab missions, if the other missions were indeed recycled into GTAO updates.

Aside from this, the Flight School Update was meant for singleplayer - on last gen they left over some old Coquette Classic customization in a folder called "sppilot".

 

Those names were added by Rockstar in an update, by the way, they later removed them once people found them.

Edited December 7, 2018 by WildBrick142

[Zak Ras]

1 minute ago, WildBrick142 said:

they could always recycle the casino and arab missions

They certainly recycled arab_horse judging by RDR2

[StormerBoy]

So the cia is the iaa in-game right? Strange they would use cia though?

 

I still don't get how it was all originally for story mode. It was a stretch of imagination to imagine doomsday in online, but story mode is even less farfetched than that.

[WildBrick142]

1 minute ago, StormerBoy said:

So the cia is the iaa in-game right? Strange they would use cia though?

 

I still don't get how it was all originally for story mode. It was a stretch of imagination to imagine doomsday in online, but story mode is even less farfetched than that.

They always referred to IAA as "CIA", even as far back as GTA IV -- UL Paper contact is internally called "cia". They even refer to FIB as "FBI". I assume it's just easier for them to name stuff internally by the real name.

 

Doomsday Heist is most definitely SP DLC. When those DLC names were added Rockstar also added (and later removed, like the names) a few scripts, one of them was called "sp_clifford_registration". (There was also a "sp_norman_registration", but that was for the zombies DLC )

[StormerBoy]

3 minutes ago, WildBrick142 said:

They always referred to IAA as "CIA", even as far back as GTA IV -- UL Paper contact is internally called "cia". They even refer to FIB as "FBI". I assume it's just easier for them to name stuff internally by the real name.

 

Doomsday Heist is most definitely SP DLC. When those DLC names were added Rockstar also added (and later removed, like the names) a few scripts, one of them was called "sp_clifford_registration". (There was also a "sp_norman_registration", but that was for the zombies DLC )

Interesting. Because many players criticise rockstar for allowing gta to become to militarized just to sell sharks. But yet it seems they were ready to go one more (zombies) for single player, and that wouldn't have sold any sharks, hence Leslie departure etc.

[Lonely-Martin]

Game ain't dead for me. Of course, creatively it's peaked, but it's comfort gaming now. And I love that.

 

So long as there's competition on races or adv. modes and my cars aren't deleted, I'm good with whatever really as I'll never go into public sessions to do things needed unless I'm alone here. And to be fair, with $63m in the bank, I'm good for any kind of cash sink that's inevitable too, not that I like the thought of tossing away $20m or something, lol.

 

Cars, clothes, game modes or missions/heists suits me. After RDRO I'm just not gaming hard anymore. This game changed me big time, and because of this game, RDRO is easy to see the bullsh*t too. Making money is all good there really, but that gold system locking much content to it, just makes me not want cosmetics or such. Takes much away as progress is tedious on gold really, and I ain't bending over buying it, lol. Uugh.

 

Still use the free horse from the tutorial and once I get my bribe, I mean, free gold, I'll buy lures and that's me. Fishing and hunting there, driving and crashing here.

 

Fed up at the wasted potential of both game's atm, but it is what it is. I'm a freeloader and being phased out. PvE is made unwelcome though they include much, so I'm just gonna MTU this if I have to, and break that looking for solo public if need be. 

 

As much as I said I'd do this again here in @fw3's thread. Future games I'm just not sure. I didn't anticipate RDRO being just this bad for me to begin with. Week one of GTA:O I'd still be playing at 3am and go to work with stinging eyes, lol. RDRO, less than 10hrs total so far.

 

Oh, how they f*cked it up. The potential is there, but I don't think they get that.

Edited December 7, 2018 by Lonely-Martin
Spelling/wording.

[katorosa]

sooooo, next week?

[Tez2]

Great job @WildBrick142

I tried to decrypt the rest of the codenames in the files but I lost hope and left them there.

It's nothing surprising, the Doomsday Heist and the Heists update were content from SP DLC.

Is it a coincidence that Trevor was the only protagonist who appeared in the Heists update ?!

I mean early 2014 is when the SP DLC code appeared with a list of missions for Trevor's episode. They clearly started with Trevor's episode which involve the IAA working with him (more like using him as undercover agent).

Edited December 7, 2018 by Fun 2

[Zak Ras]

5 minutes ago, katorosa said:

sooooo, next week?

A little bit of leeway, then next week... sadly.

[Lonely-Martin]

4 minutes ago, Fun 2 said:

Great job @WildBrick142

I tried to decrypt the rest of the codenames in the files but I lost hope and left them there.

It's nothing surprising, the Doomsday Heist and the Heists update were content from SP DLC.

Is it a coincidence that Trevor was the only protagonist who appeared in the Heists update ?!

I mean early 2014 is when the SP DLC code appeared with a list of missions for Trevor's episode. They clearly started with Trevor's episode which involve the IAA working with him (more like using him as undercover agent).

Wasn't the original heists meant to be online from the off? I thought it was a heavily advertised part of the game from day one really, at least promised as a thing we could do with other people as opposed to story mode and alone.

 

I don't remember the details though, probably wrong, lol.

Edited December 7, 2018 by Lonely-Martin

[Tez2]

1 minute ago, Lonely-Martin said:

Wasn't the original heists meant to be online from the off? I thought it was a heavily advertised part of the game from day one really, at least promised as a thing we could do with other people as opposed to story mode and alone.

 

I don't remember the details though, probably wrong, lol.

SP DLC was planned from the very start as well.

Full production began in early 2014, as that list @WildBrick142 posted was included with the Business update or the I'm Not A Hipster update.

Things changed mid-way, the "Leslie Benzies" incident and other stuff.

You have to understand "SP DLC" was supposed to be something big, like really big and it's not easy to just cancel it and forget the hours several developers put into to develop it.

It's more better to use them for future GTA Online updates and that's what happened.

[Lonely-Martin]

1 minute ago, Fun 2 said:

SP DLC was planned from the very start as well.

Full production began in early 2014, as that list @WildBrick142 posted was included with the Business update or the I'm Not A Hipster update.

Things changed mid-way, the "Leslie Benzies" incident and other stuff.

You have to understand "SP DLC" was supposed to be something big, like really big and it's not easy to just cancel it and forget the hours several developers put into to develop it.

It's more better to use them for future GTA Online updates and that's what happened.

Oh absolutey. I know story content got pushed and focus shifted to online. Just mean the heists specifically being aimed for online too. But yeah, so much went different once businesses became a thing here. Game changed a lot once crates came really.

 

Cash is king and all that.

[Zak Ras]

6 minutes ago, Lonely-Martin said:

Wasn't the original heists meant to be online from the off? I thought it was a heavily advertised part of the game from day one really, at least promised as a thing we could do with other people as opposed to story mode and alone.

 

I don't remember the details though, probably wrong, lol.

The 2015 Heists are NOTHING like what the Online Heists originally were planned to be.

Outside of the Online Gameplay Reveal Video, THIS MISSION is all we have that is based off the original Heists, fancy ass Contact Missions with players on different Teams to fufill roles much like Adversary Modes, that was it. That and they were supposed to release 2 weeks after Online launched, not a year and a half later.

 

Even then, the 2015 Heists went through some serious rewrites, the original Fleeca Job was going to be a Sprint around all of them on the map as opposed to just going to one of them, culminating in a Paleto Score style shootout in Legion Square.

Along with particular boundaries being broken in the Setup missions...

[Piro]

3 hours ago, Zak Ras said:

Spoiler

 

Here's the thing;

 

How much DLC have we had since Heists that was originally planned for Single Player?

- Lowriders

- Something to do with Maze Bank Tower, most likely Import/Export where you got paid market value instead of commission.

- Doomsday Heist (sidenote, have you ever gone into would would be the planning room during The Data Breaches finale? The difference is pretty interesting)

 

Excluding gametype and shopping updates, what else have we had?

- Finance & Felony (Crates, freeroam jobs)

- Bikers (Passive, freeroam missions and jobs)

- Import/Export (the most unique business, contact missions)

- Gunrunning (Passive, contact missions)

- Smugglers Run (Crates)

- After Hours (Extra Passive Warehouse with the Terrorbyte stapled on, notice Tony makes no mention of it, he only discusses the Storage Space of your club).

 

That's 6 business updates, it took 5 of them in a row for the formula to be broken up by a Heist update. Given how vocal we've been about getting tired of copy paste businesses, I'll be very surprised if Rockstar think they can carry on like that all the way up to GTA 6

6.

 

- We need another set of Heists, they don't have to be linked together in an overarcing plot like Doomsday, hell, they don't even have to be unlocked in order, but they need to be BIG jobs. Like a Casino, the Union Depository 2, the Fleeca (beta heist) Sprint.

- We need another Storyline update like Lowriders.

 

 

After Hours was straight up ported from single player as well. Its the only DLC where:
- only you can enter and drive provided vehicles
- bodyguards are useless and they don't even appear in cutscenes 

It rly feels like they jus ported something that was meant for Franklin (the only one who haven't met Lazlow in SP)  

Also I remember hearing something about clifford and jetpacks years ago so I bet DH was also for SP.  

[Lonely-Martin]

I honestly have little clues to details. Just assumptions and I'll informed at that. I just play game's, lol.

 

My bad.

[WildBrick142]

24 minutes ago, Zak Ras said:

The 2015 Heists are NOTHING like what the Online Heists originally were planned to be.

Speaking of the original heists, it looks like originally you were going to get heist details through a printer, and you could use preset codenames.

On the left is a text file snippet from TU13 (when SP DLC stuff was also added), on the right is when Heists released.

 

Might be getting a little off-topic here but it's really interesting how often things change, and we only find this out from accidentally left over stuff.

[Pankypops]

31 minutes ago, Zak Ras said:

The 2015 Heists are NOTHING like what the Online Heists originally were planned to be.

Outside of the Online Gameplay Reveal Video, THIS MISSION is all we have that is based off the original Heists, fancy ass Contact Missions with players on different Teams to fufill roles much like Adversary Modes, that was it. That and they were supposed to release 2 weeks after Online launched, not a year and a half later.

 

Even then, the 2015 Heists went through some serious rewrites, the original Fleeca Job was going to be a Sprint around all of them on the map as opposed to just going to one of them, culminating in a Paleto Score style shootout in Legion Square.

Along with particular boundaries being broken in the Setup missions...

That 'beta' looks horrible. I prefer the way 2015 heists turned out. Well structured and distinct roles.

The DDH failed in that aspect, apart from a few setups, they mostly felt like glorified contact missions.

 

3 minutes ago, WildBrick142 said:

Speaking of the original heists, it looks like originally you were going to get heist details through a printer, and you could use preset codenames.

On the left is a text file snippet from TU13 (when SP DLC stuff was also added), on the right is when Heists released.

 

Might be getting a little off-topic here but it's really interesting how often things change, and we only find this out from accidentally left over stuff.

Reservoir Dogs police sting jewelry heist confirmed.

Edited December 7, 2018 by Pankypops

[AUScowboy]

Aww sh*t, I would friggin love a Res Dogs style heist gone wrong. It could be a prologue to having to rob the casino to make up for it..

[Zak Ras]

1 minute ago, AUScowboy said:

Aww sh*t, I would friggin love a Res Dogs style heist gone wrong. It could be a prologue to having to rob the casino to make up for it..

Series A and Doomsday Act 2.

 

Both go very wrong, Series A we run off with Trevor's investment, DDAct 2... SOMEONE pays us.

[StormerBoy]

So I guess no one exactly knows what Lonely-Martin mentioned above, which of the original 5 heists were meant for single player and which were meant for story?

 

Reminds me of that Rockstar interview earlier this year where the guy was talking about how they knew Online had massive potential, but it took them some time to see exactly where that was. At the time of reading it struck me as a kind of an exaggeration of the issues we experienced. So maybe he was talking more about things we are unaware of, such as reworking so much story content for online and changing the vision of the employees working on the project(s).

Edited December 7, 2018 by StormerBoy

[AUScowboy]

I mean specifically a heist at a jewelry store in the jewelry district across from Legion Square. Both the movie and game are set in the same city, it would be very fun if done right (think GTA4 bank robbery, an absolute gauntlet to run), and it would also be piss easy for them.to make.

Edited December 7, 2018 by AUScowboy

[555-We-Tip]

I keep getting that feeling we will get a loose sequel to Doomsday with water-related activities. If not this December maybe down the road.

 

Seems like what @WildBrick142 found speaks to the possibility of that.