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SPOILER:Why we will continue to play as Morgan through the duration of the story

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Alexlecj
On 10/31/2018 at 4:55 PM, Dangerous and sad said:

Does anyone know the exact mission and in what chapter arthur starts to become sick?

 

"Money Lending & Other Sins - III", chapter 2.

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Dangerous and sad
1 hour ago, Alexlecj said:

 

"Money Lending & Other Sins - III", chapter 2.

Does he start coughing here and have those red eyes? It annoys the sh*t out of me.

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mde2
2 hours ago, Dangerous and sad said:

Does he start coughing here and have those red eyes? It annoys the sh*t out of me.

No thats the mission where Arthur gets coughed on by that Downe's bloke who himself has TB

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Dangerous and sad
37 minutes ago, mde2 said:

No thats the mission where Arthur gets coughed on by that Downe's bloke who himself has TB

When does he start to constantly cough and get red eyes? Is it when he collapses in Saint denis?

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mde2
1 minute ago, Dangerous and sad said:

When does he start to constantly cough and get red eyes? Is it when he collapses in Saint denis?

Yeah more or less. Although he does cough very rarely leading up to that point.

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Lonely-Martin

Reading these speculations/slow reveals after completing the story is pretty damn cool. Some good ideas too. But I'm not disappointed, just sad for the character, lol. 

 

I feel John became a real legend because of that story and having him die only made the man even more regarded, for a long time too. Until this game, the most emotive game I'd played.

 

How they topped it here is just something I could have only hoped for. And they did. Arthur will age well in gaming lore. Legends never die.

 

To those saying John's too good for his old ways gotta remember, RDR is to come for him yet and in that story he has to cross those lines again. Plus here even in the epilogues, the man struggles to shake his past. He wants to be free in the world.

 

Let him purge behind the Mrs back.

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AUScowboy
7 hours ago, anthony said:

I got spoiled by YouTube thumbnails, and holy f*cking sh*t, are you guys serious that I'm not going to keep and play as Arthur ? I'm not sure if I want to finish the story now or I'm probably going to restart the game once I finished the story ASAP, damn I'm disappointed.

Just make a few saves, preferably before Art gets sick. If you're not too far along, make some saves!!

 

The best possible story DLC would be a prequel to RDR2 with further adventures as Arthur, or maybe ad the switch mechanic to play as either Art or Sadie... I'd LOVE that.

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Doublepulse

I’m in the Epilogue portion of the game and I saw some of this happening a mile away. Not necessarily the TB and the death of Arthur but I had a feeling it was going to bridge the gap between both games and we would play as John.

 

I'm so conflicted by this on so many levels and don’t know what to feel. Mostly because I haven’t done all the side content.. it’s going to feel a little weird continuing the side missions as John even though it references Arthur for the ones you started but never completed. 

 

 

I love the detail they put into keeping the continuity from where you are with the main story but every time John mentions Arthur it makes me sad.

 

I don’t know if I’m going to bother replaying the game as I don’t have a save of Arthur pre TB or just continue the missions as John. Since I’m aiming for completing all the side stuff  and get 100% I guess I will just do that John. 

 

Lol my punishment for focusing too much on the main story missions.

 

Reason I wanted to finish the main story as fast as I can because of internet spoilers. Mother f*cking YouTube suggested me a video with the ending in the title! 😤

 

For the most part though I’m still very satisfied with the story and enjoyed every bit of it. 

 

I would love to see a sequel to Undead Nightmare and maybe Arthur can come back as a zombie. 😂

 

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TeenyMagician
1 hour ago, Doublepulse said:

I’m in the Epilogue portion of the game and I saw some of this happening a mile away. Not necessarily the TB and the death of Arthur but I had a feeling it was going to bridge the gap between both games and we would play as John.

 

I'm so conflicted by this on so many levels and don’t know what to feel. Mostly because I haven’t done all the side content.. it’s going to feel a little weird continuing the side missions as John even though it references Arthur for the ones you started but never completed. 

 

 

I love the detail they put into keeping the continuity from where you are with the main story but every time John mentions Arthur it makes me sad.

 

I don’t know if I’m going to bother replaying the game as I don’t have a save of Arthur pre TB or just continue the missions as John. Since I’m aiming for completing all the side stuff  and get 100% I guess I will just do that John. 

 

Lol my punishment for focusing too much on the main story missions.

 

Reason I wanted to finish the main story as fast as I can because of internet spoilers. Mother f*cking YouTube suggested me a video with the ending in the title! 😤

 

For the most part though I’m still very satisfied with the story and enjoyed every bit of it. 

 

I would love to see a sequel to Undead Nightmare and maybe Arthur can come back as a zombie. 😂

 

 

Yeah, I just finished the main story yesterday and I don't have a problem being Marston but - I miss Arthur. Dude i cried!

I read if there was a way we can play as Arthur - and turns out for the rest of the game you're John. When I found Charles again

he had said Arthur was buried on a hill with Susan.

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Lonely-Martin

Speaking of side content after the story and us as John after and a settled honest now.

 

 

I did a stranger mission just now with an old timer called Hamish 'The Veteran' A four part series with hunting, and during the conversation John refers to himself as a wanderer while the chat over a coffee

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Dangerous and sad
14 hours ago, anthony said:

I got spoiled by YouTube thumbnails, and holy f*cking sh*t, are you guys serious that I'm not going to keep and play as Arthur ? I'm not sure if I want to finish the story now or I'm probably going to restart the game once I finished the story ASAP, damn I'm disappointed.

Damn it got spoiled? That f*cking sucks. I stayed away from social media for a week to avoid any spoilers. Totally worth it imo. Yeah you have to play as John after you know... Be prepared for some insanely boring ranch missions with John early on

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4 hours ago, Dangerous and sad said:

Damn it got spoiled? That f*cking sucks. I stayed away from social media for a week to avoid any spoilers. Totally worth it imo. Yeah you have to play as John after you know... Be prepared for some insanely boring ranch missions with John early on

yea', I should have not go on YouTube I knew it. I will make some saves and I think I will finish the story and reload ASAP.

I was never a fan of John plus concerning the free roam and role playing it does not make sense imo to continue with him.

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mde2
7 hours ago, Doublepulse said:

Reason I wanted to finish the main story as fast as I can because of internet spoilers. Mother f*cking YouTube suggested me a video with the ending in the title! 😤

This was my exact situation. The way YouTube recommends videos is f*cking stupid nowadays. I didn't even watch RDR2 gameplay or anything leading up to, or after the game was released but I still got recommendations about the end of the game. Luckily in my case it was only really minor stuff like "John proposes to Abigail" but goddamn was it annoying. I had an anxiety attack every time I scrolled through YouTube finding something to watch.

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jje1000
7 hours ago, Doublepulse said:

I would love to see a sequel to Undead Nightmare and maybe Arthur can come back as a zombie. 😂

 

Would totally love if it was more of a paranormal/supernatural take, with the Strange Man coming back and returning Arthur in some supernatural form. The map could be changed to be a form of purgatory for Arthur.

 

Zombies are nice, but I'd love a full spectrum of supernatural creatures like werewolves, witches, real vampires, etc.

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Doublepulse
17 hours ago, jje1000 said:

Would totally love if it was more of a paranormal/supernatural take, with the Strange Man coming back and returning Arthur in some supernatural form. The map could be changed to be a form of purgatory for Arthur.

 

Zombies are nice, but I'd love a full spectrum of supernatural creatures like werewolves, witches, real vampires, etc.

Yeah supernatural stuff seems to have a place in this game where it wouldn't feel over the top. I love your idea about having it be purgatory because it still would fit with him having to reflect on his choices during his time alive.

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SAS_Intruder

I am still on Chapter 3 but this is so disappointing to read. So after dozens of hours playing as Arthur and connecting with him we are forced to free roam as John who is family man now and we already played one game as him? Complete bs if you ask me.

 

What would be good point to make extra save? Preferably something where map is unlocked but Arthur and gang are still ok, assuming thathappens? 

 

I don't mind spoilers, just need a tip about when to make extra save. I have one extra but it's only chapter 3 now.

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jje1000
21 minutes ago, SAS_Intruder said:

I am still on Chapter 3 but this is so disappointing to read. So after dozens of hours playing as Arthur and connecting with him we are forced to free roam as John who is family man now and we already played one game as him? Complete bs if you ask me.

 

What would be good point to make extra save? Preferably something where map is unlocked but Arthur and gang are still ok, assuming thathappens? 

 

I don't mind spoilers, just need a tip about when to make extra save. I have one extra but it's only chapter 3 now.

Saving right before the final two Grey/Braithwaite missions in Chapter 3 probably is the best. Otherwise, right before the Bank Mission in Chapter 4 also works.

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BlondieandTuco
On 10/31/2018 at 10:04 AM, Dangerous and sad said:

I know right. It just sucks a lot. That's my biggest problem with John, when you're in control of him, you never feel like a true outlaw compared to Arthur(Senior member of the most notorious gang) or even jack as you mentioned. I'm just going to stop doing missions pre-tuberculosis and just free-roam and do my own thing with Arthur 

Or you could avenge Arthur and the gang by hunting down Micah as John in order to get the real end credits....

On 11/4/2018 at 1:38 PM, SAS_Intruder said:

I am still on Chapter 3 but this is so disappointing to read. So after dozens of hours playing as Arthur and connecting with him we are forced to free roam as John who is family man now and we already played one game as him? Complete bs if you ask me.

 

What would be good point to make extra save? Preferably something where map is unlocked but Arthur and gang are still ok, assuming thathappens? 

 

I don't mind spoilers, just need a tip about when to make extra save. I have one extra but it's only chapter 3 now.

You literally just got to play a whole game as Arthur, Johns playthrough is called an epilogue for a reason people, not to mention hunting down Micah for revenge as John which starts off the Red Dead story. It's like you guys forgot this is a prequel and not a standalone game, there's a reason why Arthur has a bond with John, he literally tells John the last time he sees him (if you follow John instead of going for the money) that John surviving is the only thing that would make his life feel worthwhile.

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Dangerous and sad
2 minutes ago, BlondieandTuco said:

Or you could avenge Arthur and the gang by hunting down Micah as John in order to get the real end credits....

I already did that. Why would I be in this section if I hadn't already finished the game? 

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BlondieandTuco
Just now, Dangerous and sad said:

I already did that. Why would I be in this section if I hadn't already finished the game? 

Well I wish I could answer that question but as we can both clearly see above not everyone is as wise as us and decided to go on the internet during one of the most hyped game releases of the decade, I don't know about you guys but I squealed like a f*cking fanboy when John puts on his cowboy outfit from the first game. Knowing that I as Arthur was the reason that John survived made me want to play John even more as they were basically adopted brothers, it made me want to replay the original game and play John as a good guy in order to honor Arthur. The player community of this game seems really split as I remember most people were outraged that we were getting a prequel where we didn't play as John, but as a man who was never before mentioned. And in the end we ended up liking Arthur more than John, but that's what makes the game great isn't it? Johns death is a literal reaction of avenging Arthur by killing Micah, the only reason Ross even finds John is because they find Micah dead in the end credits, our love for Arthur is in the end what kills John. 

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SAS_Intruder
45 minutes ago, BlondieandTuco said:

Or you could avenge Arthur and the gang by hunting down Micah as John in order to get the real end credits....

You literally just got to play a whole game as Arthur, Johns playthrough is called an epilogue for a reason people, not to mention hunting down Micah for revenge as John which starts off the Red Dead story. It's like you guys forgot this is a prequel and not a standalone game, there's a reason why Arthur has a bond with John, he literally tells John the last time he sees him (if you follow John instead of going for the money) that John surviving is the only thing that would make his life feel worthwhile.

I don't care for that since I already played as John and he died. There is no point having him for a free roam since he becomes family man and the rest of his story is already known.  I would much rather have Arthur survive and go his own way with option to but one property and live rest of you life as you want. Not everyone has to die at the end and ending of this game is just too similar to original RDR. In a way, Arthur was a mentor to John, father figure maybe even, and after he dies we continue as John who also died so we can play as Jack. What is next,  we are going to play as Dutch's father and then as Dutch?  People are complaining for a reason since you invest time in connecting with main protagonist just so they can die at the very end and get replaced by someone else. 

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BlondieandTuco
26 minutes ago, SAS_Intruder said:

I don't care for that since I already played as John and he died. There is no point having him for a free roam since he becomes family man and the rest of his story is already known.  I would much rather have Arthur survive and go his own way with option to but one property and live rest of you life as you want. Not everyone has to die at the end and ending of this game is just too similar to original RDR. In a way, Arthur was a mentor to John, father figure maybe even, and after he dies we continue as John who also died so we can play as Jack. What is next,  we are going to play as Dutch's father and then as Dutch?  People are complaining for a reason since you invest time in connecting with main protagonist just so they can die at the very end and get replaced by someone else. 

How could they ever keep that canon since the literal story plot of the first Red Dead Redemption is hunting down all the remaining main members of Dutch's gang? Would it have been better to see John hunt down Arthur? They didn't think that far ahead when they created the first game, Arthurs death is ultimately what leads to John dying, the reason Rockstar made us like Arthur so much is because the drive for revenge against Micah is ultimately what leads Ross to finding John and his family as we see in the end credits. You're missing the point here as you have blatantly said that you haven't even finished the game yet, yet you're on a spoiler thread hating on the ending that you haven't even played up too. It's like you forgot this is a prequel, Arthurs story is basically what forces John into hunting down Dutch and the rest of the gang, if John had listened to Abigail and not gone after Micah they most likely would've lived in peace, in the end it was Johns love for Arthur that leads to his own death. The game does what basically every Red Dead game since Red Dead Revolver has showed us, revenge never comes free as Arthur literally says to Dutch in the first chapter, and crime never pays, the way life works is that the good guys don't always win (and that seems pretty counteractive considering we're literally playing outlaws) Not to mention it's a recurring theme that Arthur is incapable of change as we see with the Mary Linton missions, he was given more than two ways out of the life, one by giving Dutch up to Ross when he's fishing with Jack and the other being Mary's offer for him to run away with her and live their life together. You have to realize that this is the only life Arthur has ever known, he's been in the gang since he was 13 and even his father was a criminal, if he did start his own life it probably would've ended with him being hunted down by bounty hunters, Ross/Milton, or most likely being drawn back into crime. The whole point of the past two games is that the wild west is dead/dying, what little outlaws remain are unable to continue their way of life and this is also what drives Dutch mad, he's unable to cope with the end of his way of living. "I've got a plan John." "You always got a plan Dutch."

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SAS_Intruder

Not every game has to end in same way, basically forcing us to free roam with someone else. Crime doesn't pay often but it doesn't mean everyone dies at the end. Frank James was involved in multiple robberies and deaths of innocents yet he was able to live his life as a free man until he died. Motivation for John actions towards Dutch could have been found somewhere else and I am sure that Arthur didn't have to die.

 

At this point,  I would rather have option to create our own character to continue free roam that being forced to play as John who doesn't have any motivation to do things that we can do in free roam. So we are supposed to milk cows until 1911?

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BlondieandTuco
22 minutes ago, SAS_Intruder said:

Not every game has to end in same way, basically forcing us to free roam with someone else. Crime doesn't pay often but it doesn't mean everyone dies at the end. Frank James was involved in multiple robberies and deaths of innocents yet he was able to live his life as a free man until he died. Motivation for John actions towards Dutch could have been found somewhere else and I am sure that Arthur didn't have to die.

 

At this point,  I would rather have option to create our own character to continue free roam that being forced to play as John who doesn't have any motivation to do things that we can do in free roam. So we are supposed to milk cows until 1911?

How about hunting Micah, visiting the veteran hall that Arthur donated to help build, visiting the widow Arthur trained in the north to inform her that Arthurs dead, finishing Arthurs journal, challenges, finishing the stranger missions you didn't complete as Arthur? It seems you're more upset over the fact that your free roam has no motivation when that's a problem of your own views, you're choosing not to like John simply due to the fact that we know John dies in the end, before even completing the game you're bitching about. Anyone who didn't think Arthur was going to die at the end of this game is an idiot, he was never mentioned in any of the previous games so it was obvious he was going to die as Ross wasn't hunting him and it was the only way Rockstar could leave no plotholes. The first stage of grief is denial, but you're grieving over a character you haven't even fully played as yet, hell I should write a letter to George RR Martin and tell him there's so many different angles of his story that he could take and my favorite character shouldn't have died because I didn't see it fit. From that statement alone I can tell you probably watched the first few epilogue missions on youtube and probably stopped there, what's next, asking for Johns hair color to change? There was no other way for Arthur to redeem his previous life without sacrificing himself for someone he loved, it's called Red Dead Redemption not Red Dead They All Lived Happily Ever After. The answer to the cow question is yes, because that's the life Arthur wanted for John and John wanted for his family, I can't even imagine how you'd react to a Shakespeare play. Frank James was a outlaw during the peak of the wild west, there's literally a whole stranger storyline with Arthur where you hunt down old gunslingers and Arthur even asks how life was back then, this game takes place in 1899 Frank James was an outlaw during the late 1860's-70's before he went on the run for 20 years before formally surrendering, that's a horrible comparison. 

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Pink Pineapple
2 hours ago, SAS_Intruder said:

being forced to play as John who doesn't have any motivation to do things that we can do in free roam. So we are supposed to milk cows until 1911?

They don't want you to keep playing story mode. They want you to get bored so you'll play online and buy cash cards.

 

They did the same thing with GTA V. After the story is over, the game world gets boring since there's very few crime-related activities. No vigilante. No burglaries. No drug dealing. No gang wars. It was all part of the plan to make more money.

 

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BlondieandTuco
3 minutes ago, Pink Pineapple said:

They don't want you to keep playing story mode. They want you to get bored so you'll play online and buy cash cards.

 

They did the same thing with GTA V. After the story is over, the game world gets boring since there's very few crime-related activities. No vigilante. No burglaries. No drug dealing. No gang wars. It was all part of the plan to make more money.

 

Or maybe it's just the end of the game and you completed everything they could give us? And now we have an online mode to keep us occupied. I'm having fun exploring Armadillo and Mcfarlanes ranch as John, it's almost eerie seeing those places again.

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saintsrow
20 minutes ago, BlondieandTuco said:

Or maybe it's just the end of the game and you completed everything they could give us? And now we have an online mode to keep us occupied. I'm having fun exploring Armadillo and Mcfarlanes ranch as John, it's almost eerie seeing those places again.

So, in other words, the Epilogue is the RDR1 Remaster we always wanted?  😛
 

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i miss arthur. i already restarted the game once after the monster crocodile mission because i thought i was rushing the story instead of doing challenges and hunting. in my second playthrough; after Guarma, i also rushed the story to the end because i felt like want to be able to visit new austin (officially via story) before letting the story rest and go explore the world. but here i am, stuck with john and i feel like i wann be somwhere in chapter 2 again. so i guess i will restart the game (actually pick the savegame after the prologue) and go from there.

 

One thing i dont like: from Guarma to the end of the epilogue there is no "place" for free roam. it doesnt feel right!

 

 

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Just now, iddqdvie said:

i miss arthur. i already restarted the game once after the monster crocodile mission because i thought i was rushing the story instead of doing challenges and hunting. in my second playthrough; after Guarma, i also rushed the story to the end because i felt like want to be able to visit new austin (officially via story) before letting the story rest and go explore the world. but here i am, stuck with john and i feel like i wann be somwhere in chapter 2 again. so i guess i will restart the game (actually pick the savegame after the prologue) and go from there.

 

One thing i dont like: from Guarma to the end of the epilogue there is no "place" for free roam. it doesnt feel right!

 

 

I feel the need for free roam being taken away after Guarma was almost intentional, you have enough money to not need to go out robbing and the only thing really out there becomes the late game strangers like Hamish, the widow, and the doctor/professor. It feels like it fits the mindset Arthur has after he finds out he has TB, where he no longer cares about the money and instead focuses on getting people out of the gang or saving the gang itself, especially once the gang donation box is taken away and there's no  reason to really donate after that.

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iddqdvie
1 hour ago, saintsrow said:

So, in other words, the Epilogue is the RDR1 Remaster we always wanted?  😛
 

rdr2‘s epilogue is actually rdr1‘s prologue

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