Questions for griefers!

[Jktrip83]

On 10/4/2018 at 3:38 PM, jezebelletooner said:

Dear Griefers,

 

Do you care if your target has cargo/goods?

 

Do you do it for your K/D stat, or do you enjoy knowing you are messing up someone else’s game progress?

 

When you blow up someone, do you feel powerful?

 

Why is your character dressed like a serial killer from a horror movie?

 

Why do you literally spend your whole session airborne on your op mkii?  Don’t you get bored?

For me it's because I get a little message that says "Destroy cargo to earn $ & RP".  Blame the game not the player. 

[Yellow Dog with Cone]

15 minutes ago, Jktrip83 said:

For me it's because I get a little message that says "Destroy cargo to earn $ & RP".  Blame the game not the player. 

Oh yes, the good ol' "the game told me to" excuse.

 

Do you join every single Adversary Mode, Stunt Race or Heist invite no matter what, just because the game tells you to do it?

 

Do you bring a car to Simeon every time you get a message with his list of cars?

 

The game also tells you to buy Shark Cards every time, have you bought any today?

 

I guess not.

 

Funny how the game tells you to do several things, yet most people only do the few ones that negatively affect other players.

[Jenkiiii]

15 minutes ago, Voodoo-Hendrix said:

Oh yes, the good ol' "the game told me to" excuse.

 

Do you join every single Adversary Mode, Stunt Race or Heist invite no matter what, just because the game tells you to do it?

 

Do you bring a car to Simeon every time you get a message with his list of cars?

 

The game also tells you to buy Shark Cards every time, have you bought any today?

 

I guess not.

 

Funny how the game tells you to do several things, yet most people only do the few ones that negatively affect other players.

I think he's being mildly sarcastic, but either way, Rockstar does encourage and empower freemode griefing gratuitously in freemode with the aim of pushing less experienced players a little closer to purchasing shark cards, we all know that. Rockstar are pretty despicable.

 

There's a point where we all know that we've gone too far though, and that the person we're attacking or griefing can no longer go about their business and is not having fun, but griefers still do it because they like seeing other people squeal, which is a bit nauseating and a part of the game that I don't pursue often or particularly like.

 

I don't know... there's a moral side to me that kicks in eventually, whereas other people don't seem to view the game like that and just want to wreak havoc endlessly. I think these people are quite boring, but I'm trying to understand instead of judge, as well as accept that i'm also like that from time-to-time, and I certainly don't play GTA online to compare recipes and other household tips .

 

[Lonely-Martin]

4 hours ago, Jenkiiii said:

I don't know... there's a moral side to me that kicks in eventually, whereas other people don't seem to view the game like that and just want to wreak havoc endlessly. I think these people are quite boring, but I'm trying to understand instead of judge, as well as accept that i'm also like that from time-to-time, and I certainly don't play GTA online to compare recipes and other household tips .

Definitely understand you here and it's been great to see others join the conversation and at least offer their insights and ideals. Gives a far better perspective than just assuming all that do 'this' are 'that' when clearly, not the case with some.

 

But I do feel the more ya learn, the less ya like. I mean, to need to want to go out of your way to make others angry in a videogame, say it all there. Little to add, IMHO. (But fair play, the chap admitted to it, many won't).

 

But without doubt, all on R* for encouraging so much while hampering so many and blurring the lines between playing and being a griefed. (Along with poorly managing cheats, bugs, and exploits that only help those looking to inflict anger and grief further too).

[elfoam]

11 hours ago, FukNRekd said:

I never mentioned that cuz I thought I was weird getting adrenaline rushes from a stinkin video game. But its amazing how often I have to put the controller down and take a deep breath.

 

Man my heart rate is doing like 200 beats everytime I take on a big crew or something that takes massive thinking to overcome the challenge of smashing them, it's hugely stressful (and good). I love the rush of it

Edited November 9, 2018 by elfoam

[Big Molio]

8 hours ago, Voodoo-Hendrix said:

Oh yes, the good ol' "the game told me to" excuse.

 

Do you join every single Adversary Mode, Stunt Race or Heist invite no matter what, just because the game tells you to do it?

 

Do you bring a car to Simeon every time you get a message with his list of cars?

 

The game also tells you to buy Shark Cards every time, have you bought any today?

 

I guess not.

 

Funny how the game tells you to do several things, yet most people only do the few ones that negatively affect other players.

This gets repeated over and over, but the game doesn't "tell" the player to do anything.

 

It invites them to, and thus by doing so, anybody who accepts and partakes in those activities isn't using that as an excuse, but simply engaging in what is deemed legitimate gameplay. 

[Guest Member2756931]

10 hours ago, Voodoo-Hendrix said:

Oh yes, the good ol' "the game told me to" excuse.

 

Do you join every single Adversary Mode, Stunt Race or Heist invite no matter what, just because the game tells you to do it?

 

Do you bring a car to Simeon every time you get a message with his list of cars?

 

The game also tells you to buy Shark Cards every time, have you bought any today?

 

I guess not.

 

Funny how the game tells you to do several things, yet most people only do the few ones that negatively affect other players.

I accept invites for game modes which aren't boring. I don't get many invites, I guess disabling custom content and a few other settings limit the number of invites received.

 

Yes I take Simeon his car, if I find it.

 

The game has never told me to buy a shark card, at best it's told me that there is a bonus for buying a shark card but not once has it told me to buy a shark card. Where does it tell you this "every time"? If you refer to the option in the pause menu then the game is also telling you to report every player for abuse, kick every player and find a new session constantly.

It also informed me that a criminal starter pack was available but did not tell me to buy it.

 

Why must adversary mode invites be accepted every time if a player doesn't destroy product every time it's invited? If someone only accepted 10% of the invites send and only destroyed 10% of the product they see would this be OK by your rules?

 

Like it or not, it's part of the game. It's legitimate game play. Dislike it, don't do it and stick to your controlled "private public" sessions.

 

Product or no product, other people in GTA are going to kill you. Over 5 years on and people seem shocked that this is the case. Any game with PvP/Friendly Fire you will get killed. GTA is no different to Sea of Theives, The Division, even Minecraft. The fact you may lose product and a big sale is moot, the attacker likely doesn't give a sh*t.

[Yellow Dog with Cone]

3 hours ago, Big Molio said:

This gets repeated over and over, but the game doesn't "tell" the player to do anything.

 

It invites them to, and thus by doing so, anybody who accepts and partakes in those activities isn't using that as an excuse, but simply engaging in what is deemed legitimate gameplay. 

Well, in that case, is indeed an invitation, that means that is completely optional and that you wouldn't be penalized in any way if you don't comply, it's not like your own stock gets devalued if someone else sells in the same session as yours or whatever.

 

And that's exactly the issue, the game may have "told" you, "invited" you, "ordered" you or whatever; but that doesn't mean that you should. You're free to destroy cargo if you want, but you're not free of criticism if you do it.

 

28 minutes ago, YouKnowWhoIAm said:

I accept invites for game modes which aren't boring. I don't get many invites, I guess disabling custom content and a few other settings limit the number of invites received.

 

Yes I take Simeon his car, if I find it.



 

The game has never told me to buy a shark card, at best it's told me that there is a bonus for buying a shark card but not once has it told me to buy a shark card. Where does it tell you this "every time"? If you refer to the option in the pause menu then the game is also telling you to report every player for abuse, kick every player and find a new session constantly.

It also informed me that a criminal starter pack was available but did not tell me to buy it.

 

Why must adversary mode invites be accepted every time if a player doesn't destroy product every time it's invited? If someone only accepted 10% of the invites send and only destroyed 10% of the product they see would this be OK by your rules?

 

Like it or not, it's part of the game. It's legitimate game play. Dislike it, don't do it and stick to your controlled "private public" sessions.

 

Product or no product, other people in GTA are going to kill you. Over 5 years on and people seem shocked that this is the case. Any game with PvP/Friendly Fire you will get killed. GTA is no different to Sea of Theives, The Division, even Minecraft. The fact you may lose product and a big sale is moot, the attacker likely doesn't give a sh*t.

My point is that people who hide behind "the game told me to" (and other trite excuses like "it's GTA" and "it's part of the game") aren't being really honest. They're basically going "oh yeah, you can't blame me for that" even when no one really forced them to destroy cargo.

 

I mean, the game even tells you to steal, not destroy I/E and Airfreight Cargo, yet most people blow them up anyway.

 

You can't claim to do something just becaude the game "told you to" while not doing the rest of the things that the game does tell you to do too. That's hypocritical behaviour.

 

At least the people who confess to grief for their own amusement are being actually honest. Own it instead of blaming it to something else.

 

Also, just because destroying cargo may be legitimate gameplay, that doesn't mean that isn't sh*tty gameplay and that whoever engages in such activity shouldn't be criticized. Killing other players in a PvP game isn't the problem, the potential erasing of progress by other players with such ease is the problem.

[elfoam]

17 hours ago, StangOne50 said:

I compare the game to chess myself. I know I said its just a mindless blast going in public lobbies and it is but to be good at it and not be killed or griefed yourself takes some use of your brain and thats where the excitement and adreneline comes in. Trying to plan your next move while at the same time trying to figure out what your opponents next move is. You dont always plan to grief but as you get better at the game and your skill level trumps your opponents it becomes griefing I suppose.

I've met a couple of guys like you guys and myself where the fight has evolved into a massive game of cat and mouse and chess. One guy we got only one kill each after 2 hours continuous hunting each other.. in the end I messaged him and said that was very well played.

[Big Molio]

17 minutes ago, Voodoo-Hendrix said:

Well, in that case, is indeed an invitation, that means that is completely optional and that you wouldn't be penalized in any way if you don't comply, it's not like your own stock gets devalued if someone else sells in the same session as yours or whatever.

 

And that's exactly the issue, the game may have "told" you, "invited" you, "ordered" you or whatever; but that doesn't mean that you should. You're free to destroy cargo if you want, but you're not free of criticism if you do it.

 

My point is that people who hide behind "the game told me to" (and other trite excuses like "it's GTA" and "it's part of the game") aren't being really honest. They're basically going "oh yeah, you can't blame me for that" even when no one really forced them to destroy cargo.

It is optional, and you are free to complain about it, but with regards those people who claim that "the game told them to" (do whatever), what they really mean is that they believe the game play to be legitimate because of the notification invites. I agree with that conclusion, so they aren't really making excuses, they are just playing the game within the acceptable parameters of its conceit.

Edited November 9, 2018 by Big Molio

[FukNRekd]

 

 

2 hours ago, Big Molio said:

It is optional, and you are free to complain about it, but with regards those people who claim that "the game told them to" (do whatever), what they really mean is that they believe the game play to be legitimate because of the notification invites. I agree with that conclusion, so they aren't really making excuses, they are just playing the game within the acceptable parameters of its conceit.

Good luck trying to get that message across. Or anything even remotely similar. They will not accept that their method of play is not the only and righteous way. Even though they ALL admit to doing precisely what they're bitching about. Such liberal hypocrisy, Clinton would be proud.

Edited November 9, 2018 by FukNRekd

[Jenkiiii]

All of you guys saying it's OK to grief cargo because Rockstar told me to do so are missing the point. Rockstar encourage this type of gameplay because it frustrates the player being attacked and leads them closer to buying a shark card. Rockstar don't care about what happens in freemode, or the rights or wrongs of it, but simply want to make profit for their efforts.

 

Edited November 9, 2018 by Jenkiiii

[FukNRekd]

7 minutes ago, Jenkiiii said:

All of you guys saying it's OK to grief cargo

 

Not many here said that. You just making sh*t up now? :twak:

[Jenkiiii]

15 minutes ago, FukNRekd said:

Not many here said that. You just making sh*t up now? :twak:

First of all, picking out sentences from someone else's post is lazy forum debating. You're not good at it.

 

But are you saying it's not OK to 'grief' cargo? Can I blow up those words and spray them on the side of my house?

 

(expect more disagreements and further forum bashing)

 

But it's a good differentiation to make, and many people have expressed that hundreds of times on this forum. There are various types of griefing, and some of these aren't even griefing. Business Battles, for example, are NOT griefing, but straightforward competition for the spoils, nor is Headhunter, Fully Loaded and other VIP jobs. But going after someone in a post-op truck, or delivering a van, etc. (yawn, this old topic again) is a different type of griefing. I think the word 'griefing' is over-used, and this topic is more about how low do you swoop to get your jollies. I swoop low sometimes, but some people have testicles permanently dragging on the floor. 

 

Edited November 9, 2018 by Jenkiiii

[Yellow Dog with Cone]

37 minutes ago, FukNRekd said:

Even though they ALL admit to doing precisely what they're bitching about.

In the more than 153 days of gameplay that I have on my account, I have deliberately destroyed cargo just once, way back when I started playing circa Stunning c*nts[/s] Cunning Stunts.

 

The game told me to destroy a crate van from a CEO, I went to attack him, I spent several GTA$ in Homing Launcher rounds alone and all I got for my troubles was a measly $2k. I thought "what the hell?" and I figured that it was pointless.

 

Afterwards I learned about what I really costed that CEO when I attacked him, not only I costed him $18k (which, to be fair, it isn't much in the grand scheme of things) I costed him time that went to waste when I blew up his crate van and that he would never recover.

 

That's the main issue with destroying cargo, you're literally wasting someone's time just because you can. Everyone says "it's just a game" but if it's indeed a game, is not the point of a game to have fun? Most players don't have fun grinding and even less fun when said grinding gets erased from other players.

Edited November 9, 2018 by Voodoo-Hendrix

[Lonely-Martin]

56 minutes ago, FukNRekd said:

Good luck trying to get that message across. Or anything even remotely similar. They will not accept that their method of play is not the only and righteous way. Even though they ALL admit to doing precisely what they're bitching about. Such liberal hypocrisy, Clinton would be proud.

You may want to re-read my posts. I do not agree with your generalizing. (Funny how you butcher about this hard in the weekly 2x thread too). 

 

I always play PvE. Even @StangOne50 and others here on the site will attest to just how little I use public based off my time with them. I get spanked and don't enjoy it. Zero interest in it because it's not a game to me.

 

It's R*. Said that often and acknowledged that there is a clear misunderstanding to what grief is.

 

Fully agreed with @Big Molio up there too, lol. Seriously!

Edited November 9, 2018 by Lonely-Martin
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[KazzMajol]

one time a buddy and i had another accomplice along, and we were in full-on rampage mode, running HH to avoid insurance, mixed in with Fortified for the same reason, and when you're doing that, you DO NOT get the messages or see the fancy icons when people are doing sales.     as i was hovering over the freeway in my Akula, looking for my next target, what do i see cruising down the highway but an OTR Phantom Wedge with a big juicy trailer in tow?    now, let's be clear... i knew it was a sale.    i hesitated, but honestly, i had no point of reference for how easy/hard to destroy it was going to actually be, so i let him have it.    FYI:   it was more on the easy side.   don't remember how many rockets it took, but it wasn't a lot.  

 

shortly after, in the same session, we had somehow wound up in Sandy Shores, and suddenly there were three Insurgent pickups running together.    again, i was active in HH -- no notification.    and three Insurgents *do* take a lot of missiles, let me tell you.      of course they fought back.   of course they shot me down.   of course i resorted to the MKii, and Mors Mutual, and another Akula, and lots of Buzzards, and rockets, and Heavy Snipers, and OTR, and Ghost Organization.    of course they lost their sh*t, literally and figuratively.  

 

we battled those motherf*ckers, and quite a few others, in that session, for something like 2 and a half hours.    and these were not low-level noobs.    i made hundreds of thousands of GTA$ while having a f*cking great time, culminating in parachuting in while OTR and crapping all over their Stand Your Ground attempt at the end.    it was nothing short of glorious.    

 

I thank Rockstar for that.    i don't consider it despicable at all.

[FukNRekd]

1 hour ago, KazzMajol said:

one time a buddy and i had another accomplice along, and we were in full-on rampage mode, running HH to avoid insurance, mixed in with Fortified for the same reason, and when you're doing that, you DO NOT get the messages or see the fancy icons when people are doing sales.     as i was hovering over the freeway in my Akula, looking for my next target, what do i see cruising down the highway but an OTR Phantom Wedge with a big juicy trailer in tow?    now, let's be clear... i knew it was a sale.    i hesitated, but honestly, i had no point of reference for how easy/hard to destroy it was going to actually be, so i let him have it.    FYI:   it was more on the easy side.   don't remember how many rockets it took, but it wasn't a lot.  

 

shortly after, in the same session, we had somehow wound up in Sandy Shores, and suddenly there were three Insurgent pickups running together.    again, i was active in HH -- no notification.    and three Insurgents *do* take a lot of missiles, let me tell you.      of course they fought back.   of course they shot me down.   of course i resorted to the MKii, and Mors Mutual, and another Akula, and lots of Buzzards, and rockets, and Heavy Snipers, and OTR, and Ghost Organization.    of course they lost their sh*t, literally and figuratively.  

 

we battled those motherf*ckers, and quite a few others, in that session, for something like 2 and a half hours.    and these were not low-level noobs.    i made hundreds of thousands of GTA$ while having a f*cking great time, culminating in parachuting in while OTR and crapping all over their Stand Your Ground attempt at the end.    it was nothing short of glorious.    

 

I thank Rockstar for that.    i don't consider it despicable at all.

Now THAT is an afternoon well spent.

 

[Smokewood]

8 hours ago, Jenkiiii said:

All of you guys saying it's OK to grief cargo because Rockstar told me to do so are missing the point. Rockstar encourage this type of gameplay because it frustrates the player being attacked and leads them closer to buying a shark card. Rockstar don't care about what happens in freemode, or the rights or wrongs of it, but simply want to make profit for their efforts.

 

I have been killed hundreds of times.

I have bought a shark card once, maybe twice in the 2 years I have played.

I can tell you now, dying in PvP had nothing to do with my decision to buy.

[KazzMajol]

32 minutes ago, FukNRekd said:

Now THAT is an afternoon well spent.

 

pretty sure it was like 3AM by the time it was over, but, yeah, man.   8)

[DuckEarly]

its objectively better for the game and therefore all its players if the game is played properly

 

how does one play the game properly? best answer objectively is the way in which rockstar intended

 

how does rockstar intend we play the game? by maximising k/d, and following on screen prompts to destroy vulnerable cargo

 

therefore

what you call a griefer is someone playing the game properly

when you are spawn killed, or have your cargo destroyed you are the milk and are supporting players enjoying the game correctly

 

dying often is actually what makes the game worse for everyone as you are not competitive so in a way you are griefing the game

 

low k/d players and cargo noobs should therefore receive punitive measures from rockstar to steer them towards playing the game properly

[Lonely-Martin]

5 hours ago, vnus_dmlo said:

its objectively better for the game and therefore all its players if the game is played properly

 

how does one play the game properly? best answer objectively is the way in which rockstar intended

 

how does rockstar intend we play the game? by maximising k/d, and following on screen prompts to destroy vulnerable cargo

 

therefore

what you call a griefer is someone playing the game properly

when you are spawn killed, or have your cargo destroyed you are the milk and are supporting players enjoying the game correctly

 

dying often is actually what makes the game worse for everyone as you are not competitive so in a way you are griefing the game

 

low k/d players and cargo noobs should therefore receive punitive measures from rockstar to steer them towards playing the game properly

Lol, who let the Blasterman fanboy in?

[Black-Dragon96]

9 hours ago, vnus_dmlo said:

its objectively better for the game and therefore all its players if the game is played properly

 

how does one play the game properly? best answer objectively is the way in which rockstar intended

 

how does rockstar intend we play the game? by maximising k/d, and following on screen prompts to destroy vulnerable cargo

 

therefore

what you call a griefer is someone playing the game properly

when you are spawn killed, or have your cargo destroyed you are the milk and are supporting players enjoying the game correctly

 

dying often is actually what makes the game worse for everyone as you are not competitive so in a way you are griefing the game

 

low k/d players and cargo noobs should therefore receive punitive measures from rockstar to steer them towards playing the game properly

[Guest Member2756931]

On 11/9/2018 at 12:15 PM, Voodoo-Hendrix said:

Well, in that case, is indeed an invitation, that means that is completely optional and that you wouldn't be penalized in any way if you don't comply, it's not like your own stock gets devalued if someone else sells in the same session as yours or whatever.

 

And that's exactly the issue, the game may have "told" you, "invited" you, "ordered" you or whatever; but that doesn't mean that you should. You're free to destroy cargo if you want, but you're not free of criticism if you do it.

 

My point is that people who hide behind "the game told me to" (and other trite excuses like "it's GTA" and "it's part of the game") aren't being really honest. They're basically going "oh yeah, you can't blame me for that" even when no one really forced them to destroy cargo.

 

I mean, the game even tells you to steal, not destroy I/E and Airfreight Cargo, yet most people blow them up anyway.

 

You can't claim to do something just becaude the game "told you to" while not doing the rest of the things that the game does tell you to do too. That's hypocritical behaviour.

 

At least the people who confess to grief for their own amusement are being actually honest. Own it instead of blaming it to something else.

 

Also, just because destroying cargo may be legitimate gameplay, that doesn't mean that isn't sh*tty gameplay and that whoever engages in such activity shouldn't be criticized. Killing other players in a PvP game isn't the problem, the potential erasing of progress by other players with such ease is the problem.

 

It's a video game with pvp elements. It's not on it's own. Try playing Sea of Theives, the same optional pvp exists in that and it's just as bad. Try playing The Division, the same optional pvp exists in the dark zone and it's just as bad, if not worse. I see the same happening in Fallout 76 and RDR Online in the next few weeks too.

Despite not liking it, it works. It must work. Developers wouldn't be able to sell the game if it didn't and of those mentioned above, all have been/will be very popular in spite of this flaw/feature.

[Black-Dragon96]

2 hours ago, YouKnowWhoIAm said:

It's a video game with pvp elements. It's not on it's own. Try playing Sea of Theives, the same optional pvp exists in that and it's just as bad. Try playing The Division, the same optional pvp exists in the dark zone and it's just as bad, if not worse. I see the same happening in Fallout 76 and RDR Online in the next few weeks too.

How optional is something that you cant play parts of the game without unless you "glitch"?

I also do not remember Sea of Thiefes having a map wide instant kill button.

 

2 hours ago, YouKnowWhoIAm said:

Despite not liking it, it works.

It does not. If it would work we wouldn't have a topic about the same sh*t every few months and people complaining that they lost their 5% good sport discount, because people who wanted to be left alone, kicked them.

 

2 hours ago, YouKnowWhoIAm said:

It must work. Developers wouldn't be able to sell the game if it didn't and of those mentioned above, all have been/will be very popular in spite of this flaw/feature.

I can't  remember how many times I said it, but even sh*t sells.

All you need is the right person to sell it and the right people to sell it too. Guess why lootboxes are still around, despite being complete and utter sh*te.

Edited November 12, 2018 by Black-Dragon96

[Guest Member2756931]

35 minutes ago, Black-Dragon96 said:

How optional is something that you cant play parts of the game without unless you "glitch"?

I also do not remember Sea of Thiefes having a map wide instant kill button.

 

It does not. If it would work we wouldn't have a topic about the same sh*t every few months and people complaining that they lost their 5% good sport discount, because people who wanted to be left alone, kicked them.

 

I can't  remember how many times I said it, but even sh*t sells.

All you need is the right person to sell it and the right people to sell it too. Guess why lootboxes are still around, despite being complete and utter sh*te.

Selling as much as GTA has sold isn't it working? What do you see as a success?

 

Instant kill us moot, you get the same kind of players which was my point. In any game with optional pvp you get these players. This is not up for debate, look around, its fact.

 

Your comment regarding loot boxes is just your opinion. Millions of people disagree with you since loot boxes are a success too. Plenty dont like them but, again, they work, they are a success.

 

Get used to it. This is gaming. You will see more and more of it too. Save your energy and spend the time you planned to use for complaining to do somethjng constructive like learn to pilot a submarine, learn to play the banjo, develop another game to meet your requirements, start a veg garden, learn a new language, the world is your lobster my friend.

Edited November 12, 2018 by Member2756931

[Black-Dragon96]

6 minutes ago, YouKnowWhoIAm said:

Selling as much as GTA has sold isn't it working? What do you see as a success?

The gameplay is not working. Putting people who want to PvE and peoole who want to PvP into the same environment is as bullsh*t as bullsh*t can be.

 

6 minutes ago, YouKnowWhoIAm said:

Instant kill us moot, you get the same kind of players which was my point. In any game with optional pvp you get these players. This is not up for debate, look around, its fact.

A$$holes can only a$$hole as much as the devs let them. Seeing whats planed for fallout 76, you are pretty safe from assholes who shoot at you as long as you dont shoot back at them.

 

7 minutes ago, YouKnowWhoIAm said:

Get used to it. This is gaming. You will see more and more of it too. Save your energy and spend the time you planned to use for complaining to do somethjng constructive like learn to pilot a submarine, learn to play the banjo, develop another game to meet your requirements, start a veg garden, learn a new language, the world is your lobster my friend.

I wont.

I rather spend my time on complaining about something that destroys something I care about then learing to drive a submarine that could not dive at any place in a 200 km radius around the place I live.

So unless you want to sponsor me a very deep pool, please let me choose what I "waste" my energy on. Thanks.

[FukNRekd]

54 minutes ago, Black-Dragon96 said:

t does not

Whoa... did you mistakenly think you were on another topic? Or are you serious? 

 

Thee largest selling entertainment venue ever created doesn't work. 

 

Wow. Just f*cking wow.  

[Black-Dragon96]

6 minutes ago, FukNRekd said:

Whoa... did you mistakenly think you were on another topic? Or are you serious? 

 

Thee largest selling entertainment venue ever created doesn't work. 

 

Wow. Just f*cking wow.  

1. I meant the gameplay does not work.

2. As I said even sh*t can sell well. I mean look at COD. Their trailers get downvoted to sh*t yet they make a ton of cash every year.

Also people already spend their money when they are able to notice if a game plays well or not. So being the most profitable anything is not an nessecerily (i believe I missspelled that) an idicator of a good product.

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14 minutes ago, FukNRekd said:

Whoa... did you mistakenly think you were on another topic? Or are you serious? 

 

Thee largest selling entertainment venue ever created doesn't work. 

 

Wow. Just f*cking wow.  

Didn't you a good while back have trouble getting people to join stunt races when they were double money?