Questions for griefers!

[Jenkiiii]

I've got mixed feelings about the contents of this thread because I sympathise with the viewpoints of the anti- and pro-griefers alike, as they both have valid arguments, especially as all of us have griefed other players to some extent or other over the years, even if that's simply winning a Last Team Standing and preventing the other player from doing so - which may be incorrectly considered as griefing by the loser.

 

Personally, I believe that persistent griefing is wrong, especially when done so in dedicated griefing crews, but I also appreciate that griefing is just another form of game-play that appeals to a certain type of player and mindset, and the question might better be focused on why has Rockstar encouraged so much griefing in their games over the years, other than the obvious answer that it pushes players closer to buying shark cards for multiple reasons?

 

Rockstar/T2 have been very astute in understanding that people like the challenge of fighting against each other, either from the perspective of an under-age player who enjoys doing what they're not 'supposed' to do, or the student or professional who comes home and just wants to blast a video game for fun. The real answer delves a bit deeper than this, and seems to be the fault of the giant mess we know as 'society' and our personal feelings towards it. Many of us have oppressive parents or teachers who are always on our case, or an awful boss at a terrible company, pushing us towards tasks or financial goals that we sometimes loose track of. There's so much frustration in our daily lives, and one of the ways we can let off steam and get back at all that nonsense is to take it out on other people in a video game, and from the perspective of a non-griefer or person who is against this practice, the solution to griefing is to circumvent this behaviour instead of questioning why it happens. Hard as though this may sound, it's better to accept that griefing is just around the corner, and learn to deal with it instead of wishing it would go away.

 

Although I will never congratulate or vindicate a griefer for acting this way, I don't hate them on an individual basis for doing so either, because I also realise that it goes a lot deeper than what it seems on the surface, and is actually the fault of the push-and-shove world we live in known as society, and the manner in which Take-Two Interactive have exploited it 'marvelously' over the years for the sake of shareholder profits.

Edited January 28, 2019 by Jenkiiii

[Smokewood]

2 hours ago, Up2NoGood45 said:

It's not a big deal, 18K.  I have 180M.  I just don't get it is all and I'm pretty sure blowing up people's goods for a couple of thousand bucks is textbook griefing unless you want to share you different set of rules with us.

nonsense...

griefing is a bannable offense.

How can this be bannable?

Edited January 28, 2019 by Smokewood

[kenmy13999]

8 minutes ago, Smokewood said:

monsense...

griefing is a bannable offense.

How can this be bannable?

Where does it say that griefing is a bannable offence?

[StangOne50]

Just now, kenmy13999 said:

Where does it say that griefing is a bannable offence?

You can report players for griefing which could lead to a ban, other than that idk.

[Big Molio]

Rockstar's confused message as to what is and what isn't acceptable play (bad sport) doesn't help either.

 

You're not a bad sport if you and your mates deliberately bollocks up a stunt race, but you are a bad sport if this irritates you and you quit.

You're not a bad sport if you destroy somebody's crates as they chug along in a van, but you are a bad sport if you explosive snipe the personal Hydra of somebody tearing up you and the rest of the lobby.

Edited January 28, 2019 by Big Molio

[kenmy13999]

Just now, StangOne50 said:

You can report players for griefing which could lead to a ban, other than that idk.

Does it actually say that it can lead to a ban? Never reported anyone for griefing so I wouldn't know, lol. 

 

And have anyone actually been banned for griefing? 

[Smokewood]

54 minutes ago, kenmy13999 said:

Where does it say that griefing is a bannable offence?

Why else would you report somebody if not for the game to take action against them?

 

You see, this is the issue.

If it is a normal part of the game, it cannot (by definition) be considered griefing.

[kenmy13999]

1 hour ago, Smokewood said:

Why else would you report somebody if not for the game to take action against them?

 

You see, this is the issue.

If it is a normal part of the game, it cannot (by definition) be considered griefing.

That actually wasn't what I was asking but I think my question was answered anyway. 

Afaik you can report someone for griefing if they kill you once, probably even if they don't kill you at all also. 

 

Of course it can be considered griefing, even if it's a "normal" part of the game. 

 

 

In online gaming where one repeatedly killing the same individual or individuals over and over again, or camping their corpse to prevent them from retrieving it, or otherwise performing actions in a game to prevent the player from enjoying the game.

 

A quick Google search shows this as a definition of griefing, so even tho R* invites or tell people to destroy someone's cargo or whatever, it can be considered griefing as long as it prevents the player from enjoying the game

[Big Molio]

16 minutes ago, kenmy13999 said:

A quick Google search shows this as a definition of griefing, so even tho R* invites or tell people to destroy someone's cargo or whatever, it can be considered griefing as long as it prevents the player from enjoying the game

There is perhaps something masochistic then about willfully playing a game in which "griefing" each other is part and parcel of its central conceit.

[Smokewood]

25 minutes ago, kenmy13999 said:

That actually wasn't what I was asking but I think my question was answered anyway. 

Afaik you can report someone for griefing if they kill you once, probably even if they don't kill you at all also. 

 

Of course it can be considered griefing, even if it's a "normal" part of the game. 

 

 

A quick Google search shows this as a definition of griefing, so even tho R* invites or tell people to destroy someone's cargo or whatever, it can be considered griefing as long as it prevents the player from enjoying the game

I completely disagree.

Next thing you are going to say is that it is griefing in monopoly if I send you to jail.

or in mousetrap if I trap you.

or in sorry if I land on you and send you back to start.

 

All of these are normal operations of the games they are in.

[Sil3ntWr4th_-]

Majority of griefers grief in GTAO to boost up their K/D..

PSHHHHHHH.... how foolish!

Edited January 28, 2019 by KSI_IS_STUPID_

[Black-Dragon96]

2 hours ago, Smokewood said:

nonsense...

griefing is a bannable offense.

How can this be bannable?

Its not. No report in gta online leads to a ban. The worst a report can do is send you to BS and you can believe me that takes a ton of reports unless you behave like a complete dick 99% of the time (in wich case you deserve the BS time).

[Smokewood]

3 minutes ago, Black-Dragon96 said:

Its not. No report in gta online leads to a ban. The worst a report can do is send you to BS and you can believe me that takes a ton of reports unless you behave like a complete dick 99% of the time (in wich case you deserve the BS time).

In general, griefing is a bannable offense in the gaming world.

There is no griefing in GTAO or RDO, by definition of what the games are.

[Sil3ntWr4th_-]

2 minutes ago, Smokewood said:

In general, griefing is a bannable offense in the gaming world.

There is no griefing in GTAO or RDO, by definition of what the games are.

can you ellaborate on the definition of GTAO?

[Up2NoGood45]

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3 hours ago, StangOne50 said:

Well to me getting killed 1 time is in no way being griefed. Like if you really feel that way then you should not even play.

Ask the lobby I destroyed for an hour last night in my jet. They will tell you what griefing is.

Griefing is probably not as bad as most of you make it out to be if you really feel you are being griefed after only 1 kill.

 

Thats actually insulting to griefers considering some noob that got 1 kill on an mk2 one of us lol

So you're one of them.  Maybe you could explain your malfunction to us.  Mom held you too much?  Not enough?  

Edited January 28, 2019 by Up2NoGood45

[StangOne50]

6 minutes ago, Up2NoGood45 said:

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So you're one of them.  Maybe you could explain your malfunction to us.  Mom held you too much?  Not enough?  

See this is why we cant have a civilized conversation in here. Im the griefer yet youre the one acting like a c*nt.

Youre making your team look bad kid.

Edited January 28, 2019 by StangOne50

[White Shark]

6 minutes ago, StangOne50 said:

See this is why we cant have a civilized conversation in here. Im the griefer yet youre the one acting like a c*nt.

Youre making your team look bad kid.

Griefers are c*nts be default.  It also makes their opinions on others irrelevant.  

[kenmy13999]

27 minutes ago, Smokewood said:

I completely disagree.

Next thing you are going to say is that it is griefing in monopoly if I send you to jail.

or in mousetrap if I trap you.

or in sorry if I land on you and send you back to start.

 

All of these are normal operations of the games they are in.

Is monopoly a online game? 

How can you possibly know the next thing I gonna say?? I provided what a quick Google search showed as griefing, not even my words.. 

I don't care that much about what griefing is but you're saying that griefing is bannable offence and that other people talk nonsense, when it's actually you that kind of talk nonsense since no one gets banned from gtao because of griefing. 

 

Some people consider one thing griefing, others do not.. What a person consider griefing is kind of up to that person, isn't it? 

 

[Big Molio]

1 minute ago, White Shark said:

Griefers are c*nts be default.  It also makes their opinions on others irrelevant.  

But what is griefing in GTAO?

 

I mean, I’ve been called a griefer for stealing Business Battle boxes.

[Up2NoGood45]

12 minutes ago, StangOne50 said:

See this is why we cant have a civilized conversation in here. Im the griefer yet youre the one acting like a c*nt.

Youre making your team look bad kid.

You can't answer a simple question?  Why do you do what you do?  You realize you are probably blowing up the only source of income some kids get and they get limited time to play the game.  Maybe they just want to but a car or something.  

 

There's nothing else in the game that gives you joy other than just trying to be an idiot?

[Smokewood]

18 minutes ago, KSI_IS_STUPID_ said:

can you ellaborate on the definition of GTAO?

sure - GTAO is a free for all pvp world where you log in and try to earn cash, buy stuff, kill each other, etc... 

[StangOne50]

Just now, Up2NoGood45 said:

You can't answer a simple question? 

 

 

I gave my answers, read the thread

[White Shark]

5 minutes ago, Big Molio said:

But what is griefing in GTAO?

 

I mean, I’ve been called a griefer for stealing Business Battle boxes.

Orbital Cannon a delivery.

Destroying people's deliveries in general.

Jet griefing for no reason other than to kill over and over.

Same with MKII griefing - killing over and over for no reason.

 

This is what I consider c*nt-status griefing.  Anyone who denies this is griefing and yells "DUH, IT'S DA MECHANIC OF DA GAME COS IN GAME ROKKSTARZ MESSAGE TOLD ME!" is just trying to justify their obviously sh*tty behaviour.

Edited January 28, 2019 by White Shark

[Smokewood]

2 minutes ago, Up2NoGood45 said:

You can't answer a simple question?  Why do you do what you do?  You realize you are probably blowing up the only source of income some kids get and they get limited time to play the game.  Maybe they just want to but a car or something.  

 

There's nothing else in the game that gives you joy other than just trying to be an idiot?

I'll answer it. 

It's fun to blow sh*t up!

I don't care what you were trying to accoplish, why should I?

[Up2NoGood45]

Just now, StangOne50 said:

I gave my answers, read the thread

I realize I'm open game in a public lobby if I fall asleep and don't realize that there might be some mental misfits running around blowing stuff up.  I get it.

 

I just thought it was a unique opportunity to see into the mind of a griefer.  I guess I'll have to read back farther.

[Sil3ntWr4th_-]

1 minute ago, Smokewood said:

sure - GTAO is a free for all pvp world where you log in and try to earn cash, buy stuff, kill each other, etc... 

do you support griefing?

[Smokewood]

Just now, KSI_IS_STUPID_ said:

do you support griefing?

no, however I am still yet to see an example of that in normal everyday play.

If I leave session and you follow me to the new session and send me hate messages - ok, that's griefing in the form of harassment.

[Sil3ntWr4th_-]

Just now, Smokewood said:

no, however I am still yet to see an example of that in normal everyday play.

If I leave session and you follow me to the new session and send me hate messages - ok, that's griefing in the form of harassment.

I wouldn't do such a thing, right so if you were to kill me multiple times for no reason while I'm minding my own business in GTAO would you consider getting a gold medal for that kind of immature behaviour?

[Smokewood]

6 minutes ago, White Shark said:

Orbital Cannon a delivery.

Destroying people's deliveries in general.

Jet griefing for no reason other than to kill over and over.

Same with MKII griefing - killing over and over for no reason.

None of that is griefing.

That is GTAO - kill or be killed.

Just now, KSI_IS_STUPID_ said:

I wouldn't do such a thing, right so if you were to kill me multiple times for no reason while I'm minding my own business in GTAO would you consider getting a gold medal for that kind of immature behaviour?

Gold medal?? Don't know anything about that.

Can you define "no reason"?

[White Shark]

Just now, Smokewood said:

None of that is griefing.

That is GTAO - kill or be killed.

 

=

 

8 minutes ago, White Shark said:

Anyone who denies this is griefing and yells "DUH, IT'S DA MECHANIC OF DA GAME COS IN GAME ROKKSTARZ MESSAGE TOLD ME!" is just trying to justify their obviously sh*tty behaviour.