SPOILER:Calling it right now, we play as Marston in a Flashback of Blackwater Robbery

[Captain_Jalapeno]

Game starts AFTER the Blackwater robbery huh? Arthur wasnt there huh? Dutch went loco huh? Theres NO WAY they are NOT going to have us participate in that infamous scene at some point in the game. After reading that, I thought, maybe we'll play as Dutch in a flashback. But if he's supposed to go off the rails, they likely wont put the player in control of that. John is a young gullible screwup huh? Well, sounds like the game will feature Arthur and John going off to talk about what happened. And then as John starts to tell him, the mission of the robbery starts, in control of John for old times sake. Expect us to do some awful things as John, as Dutch orders us to, something more visually shocking than killing civilians in the airport from Modern Warfare, and all the drama that mission caused. 

 

Calling it now, this 2nd day of October, in the year of our Lord, 2018 

[Natemio]

Was Marston even involved in the blackwater massacre? Thought he wasn't there because he didn't know who landon rickets was?

[Tasty_Pasta]

I mean, it sounds like it was a very large and hectic event.  I'm sure it's possible they were both there and didn't get a good look at each other.

[Natemio]

Perhaps, my memory is alittle foggy aswell on their dialogue once they meet up in Mexico! 

[MARKUS.]

Rockstar said that the story is focused on Arthur Muneh Morgan

Edited October 6, 2018 by MARKUS.

[Non Funkable Token]

On ‎10‎/‎4‎/‎2018 at 6:48 PM, Natemio said:

Perhaps, my memory is alittle foggy aswell on their dialogue once they meet up in Mexico! 

They don't mention that event at all.

Edited October 7, 2018 by Fluffy Sock

[MARKUS.]

On 10/2/2018 at 11:54 PM, Captain_Jalapeno said:

Calling it now, this 2nd day of October, in the year of our Lord, 2018 

 

[Captain_Jalapeno]

1 hour ago, MARKUS. said:

 

It seemed like a Westerny way to say the date. 

[Old Man With No Name]

So game shows us 1906 at the beginning then starts from the 1899?

 

Just like AC Brotherhood game shows us ezio vs cesare boss fight in 1507 at the beggining then game starts from 1499

[Guest Guest176525326]

I hope so, I mean lets be honest, Marston makes Arthur look like a school teacher. 

 

No offence!

[Feurian42]

I was thinking that Arthur is Johns dad (John dont know obviously) Something along the lines of keeping John safe by not letting people know.  And in the end Arthur is killed by Dutch and then you play as John.

 

Kinda the way RDR1 ended with Jack.

Edited October 13, 2018 by Feurian42

[Mach1bud]

16 minutes ago, Feurian42 said:

I was thinking that Arthur is Johns dad (John dont know obviously) Something along the lines of keeping John safe by not letting people know.  And in the end Arthur is killed by Dutch and then you play as John.

 

Kinda the way RDR1 ended with Jack.

Lol I don't think Arthur is even biologically old enough to be Marstons dad. 

 

Regardless, we already know about Marstons father.

 

John Marston was born in 1873. His father was an illiterate Scottish immigrant, who was born on the boat into New York, while his mother was a prostitute, who passed away during John's birth. John's father was blinded in both eyes during a bar fight south of Chicago. His father loved to talk about Scotland and hated the English for what they did to his great-grandparents, although he never met them.

 

In 1881, John's father died. John was only eight years old at the time and was sent to an orphanage, where he lived his teenage years. Although the circumstances are unclear, he managed to escape the orphanage, and fell into Dutch van der Lindeand his gang; this is where John met his future wife, Abigail. Dutch became a father figure to John, teaching him how to shoot, hunt, gather, read, and how to survive in the world.

[OfficialTwiggz]

Arthur would’ve been like 12 having been Marstons dad. 

 

John is 26-27 during this game. Arthur has got to be late 30’s, early 40’s. 

[jamesos]

2 hours ago, Feurian42 said:

I was thinking that Arthur is Johns dad (John dont know obviously) Something along the lines of keeping John safe by not letting people know.  And in the end Arthur is killed by Dutch and then you play as John.

 

Kinda the way RDR1 ended with Jack.

dude really? thats really the best theory you could come up with?

[OfficialTwiggz]

On 10/8/2018 at 3:15 PM, GroveStGTAV said:

So game shows us 1906 at the beginning then starts from the 1899?

 

Just like AC Brotherhood game shows us ezio vs cesare boss fight in 1507 at the beggining then game starts from 1499

You mean 1904. When the ferry robbery goes south. 

[neo92boi]

On 10/11/2018 at 5:48 PM, O.Z said:

I hope so, I mean lets be honest, Marston makes Arthur look like a school teacher. 

 

No offence!

I’m almost 100% sure your gonna regret saying that, just by Morgan’s demeanor alone in the trailers he’s more badass than Marston. 

 

“Maybe when your mothers finished mourning your father, I’ll keep her in black on YOUR behalf..” 

 

Marston never said anything nearly close to as cold as that. 

 

 

[DarkDayz]

They could for sure incorporate the GTA V charcter switch mechanic on certain missions featuring multiple vanderlin members. That’d be fun. 

[Brett Baumler]

On 10/13/2018 at 3:02 PM, OfficialTwiggz said:

You mean 1904. When the ferry robbery goes south. 

Nope that happened in 1906

[Dougie Jones]

2 hours ago, Brett Baumler said:

Nope that happened in 1906

Also the same robbery that the Strange Man talks about, the one where a girl has her face blown apart by Dutch. And not long after the gang dissipated for good.

[stevo irwin19]

2 minutes ago, Dougie Jones said:

Also the same robbery that the Strange Man talks about, the one where a girl has her face blown apart by Dutch. And not long after the gang dissipated for good.

this will be all but guaranteed you'd think

[Manntheftauto]

Got a feeling that there will be no flashback, instead red dead 3 will be another prequel , with the heist on this boat being the ending of the game. The game will probably cover the earlier years of the gang with the epilogue being John running off up the river with Javier and into the mountains, to be later rescued by Arthur and Javier

Edited October 29, 2018 by Manntheftauto

[Oldsport]

i wish the game would have started during the blackwater massacre and not after. 

[The Nefarious]

On 10/17/2018 at 5:47 AM, Dougie Jones said:

Also the same robbery that the Strange Man talks about, the one where a girl has her face blown apart by Dutch. And not long after the gang dissipated for good.

Is this actually the case and they just retconned the history. I'm not very far into the game but I think it's heavily hinted that the 'Heidi McCourt incident' happened during this robbery. Or is it a case that the date was incorrectly speculated by fans? I haven't played the first game in quite some time so I can't remember if it was explicitly stated.

[OfficialTwiggz]

7 hours ago, Money Over Bullsh*t said:

Is this actually the case and they just retconned the history. I'm not very far into the game but I think it's heavily hinted that the 'Heidi McCourt incident' happened during this robbery. Or is it a case that the date was incorrectly speculated by fans? I haven't played the first game in quite some time so I can't remember if it was explicitly stated.

 

That was the case. According to RDR2 in the beginning, if I remember correctly, in Blackwater, they were trying to leave on a ferry, and Dutch had shot Heidi in the face, whether on purpose or accident. 

 

But in RDR1, it’s the same robbery that John was shot on. So if John got shot in 1906, and the game takes place in 1899, something don’t add up and the devs didn’t do their research on what they’ve already said, which is sad. 

[Oldsport]

2 hours ago, OfficialTwiggz said:

 

That was the case. According to RDR2 in the beginning, if I remember correctly, in Blackwater, they were trying to leave on a ferry, and Dutch had shot Heidi in the face, whether on purpose or accident. 

 

But in RDR1, it’s the same robbery that John was shot on. So if John got shot in 1906, and the game takes place in 1899, something don’t add up and the devs didn’t do their research on what they’ve already said, which is sad. 

didnt john get shot at the blackwater massacre in 1899? in pretty sure in rdr2 in the beginning they said it and also when we save him from the mountains bleeding out

[The Nefarious]

22 minutes ago, Oldsport said:

didnt john get shot at the blackwater massacre in 1899? in pretty sure in rdr2 in the beginning they said it and also when we save him from the mountains bleeding out

Yes he does get shot. The Blackwater Massacre is a separate event though. So it was just a widely held assumption then?

[OfficialTwiggz]

I don’t think John gets shot at the Blackwater massacre. I do believe he gets shot on the ferry in 1906 though. If we’re going for canon RDR. Why would Dutch send John out freshly wounded through a blizzard to scout up ahead, and then get attacked by wolves with a bullet wound? 

 

It’s noted that Davey had gotten shot during the Blackwater massacre but died when they reached their destination in the mountains. 

 

So somehow, the canon for RDR1 is based on John leaving the gang in 1906, (or the gang left him) after being shot. 

 

But canon RDR2 is based on John leaving the gang after Morgan dies of TB (in 1899 unless there’s a verifiable time jump) and you build a ranch for your family. 

[The Nefarious]

2 hours ago, OfficialTwiggz said:

I don’t think John gets shot at the Blackwater massacre. I do believe he gets shot on the ferry in 1906 though. If we’re going for canon RDR. Why would Dutch send John out freshly wounded through a blizzard to scout up ahead, and then get attacked by wolves with a bullet wound? 

 

It’s noted that Davey had gotten shot during the Blackwater massacre but died when they reached their destination in the mountains. 

 

So somehow, the canon for RDR1 is based on John leaving the gang in 1906, (or the gang left him) after being shot. 

 

But canon RDR2 is based on John leaving the gang after Morgan dies of TB (in 1899 unless there’s a verifiable time jump) and you build a ranch for your family. 

None of them were involved in the Blackwater Massacre. A massive missed opportunity but, as I say, a completely separate event. I'm not completely sure but I think the second part of the Epilogue takes place years later. That whole 1906 stuff is out the window though.. same with the image of the gang members (looking like they do in RDR 1) having left John for dead.