...::[The Footy Desk]::... (Part 2)

[MyName'sJeff]

Outside of Bale, Madrid have not "overspent" since 2009 when they had the squad overhaul, bringing in Ronaldo, Kaka and Benzema. Hell, just this summer I think Barcelona spent more money despite their transfer ban. So it has nothing to do with that. Atletico just had a great season and fell apart as they've sold some of their key players.

Yes they have, they spent a fortune on the overrated James Rodriguez, they spent a significant amount on Kroos only because he won the world cup, I don't see him doing f*ck all since then, they even bought odegaard at an inflated price and guess what? They bought him at an age where he can't break into the first team, is now at RM Castilla and he's been up and down there, and he already said he doesn't like it. And then you have players like Kovacic who has committed career suicide by joining Madrid, and has played utter crap, who was actually good before he joined Real. I can go on and on actually.....

Edited November 23, 2015 by MyName'sJeff

[Miro]

Lucas Vazquez, Kovacic and Cheryshev are clearly wasting themselves at Real Madrid. They are never almost in the starting formation and when they play, they don't do it at the immensely high expectations for a club like Real Madrid. Kroos has been playing well since he came, but he's not really the attacking player that he was at Bayern, my opinion. Real Madrid generally doesn't really play with the right players. Since Xabi Alonso left, the whole midfield of Real Madrid is only centered on attack. While that can destroy weak teams, it can cause big problems against stronger ones. They don't have a Busquets, all they have are just attacking players, like Modric or James.

 

I am actually surprised that Isco didn't turn into a flop, he's actually managed well the benching he was forced into a few times last season.

[SouthLand]

Yes they have, they spent a fortune on the overrated James Rodriguez, they spent a significant amount on Kroos only because he won the world cup, I don't see him doing f*ck all since then, they even bought odegaard at an inflated price and guess what? They bought him at an age where he can't break into the first team, is now at RM Castilla and he's been up and down there, and he already said he doesn't like it. And then you have players like Kovacic who has committed career suicide by joining Madrid, and has played utter crap, who was actually good before he joined Real. I can go on and on actually.....

 

 

Yes. The same with FC Barcelona with:

 

Isaac Cuenca

Keirrison de Souza Carneiro

Afellay

Olazábal

Adriano

 

 

 

 

 

Lucas Vazquez, Kovacic and Cheryshev are clearly wasting themselves at Real Madrid. They are never almost in the starting formation and when they play, they don't do it at the immensely high expectations for a club like Real Madrid. Kroos has been playing well since he came, but he's not really the attacking player that he was at Bayern, my opinion. Real Madrid generally doesn't really play with the right players. Since Xabi Alonso left, the whole midfield of Real Madrid is only centered on attack. While that can destroy weak teams, it can cause big problems against stronger ones. They don't have a Busquets, all they have are just attacking players, like Modric or James.

 

I am actually surprised that Isco didn't turn into a flop, he's actually managed well the benching he was forced into a few times last season.

 

I had the privilege to watch Lucas Vazquez play a few times last year when he was on loan to RCD Espanyol, and he was one of the best players Espanyol had. My cousin almost when insane when he read that Lucas Vazquez wasn't going to continue on more year in Espanyol. Now look at him.

Edited November 24, 2015 by SouthLand

[Eram]

Casillas LOL:

 

https://youtu.be/3lNwYUDURx0

[SouthLand]

Casillas LOL:

 

https://youtu.be/3lNwYUDURx0

 

This is much worse...

 

Min: 3:01 and Min: 6:02

 

 

[Eram]

Not quite mi amigo, Casillas still gets 6 MEuros net/year (somehow split between RM and porto)...

Pretty sure that, that kind of net income, would be largely appreciated @ your beloved CE Sabadell

[SouthLand]

Not quite mi amigo, Casillas still gets 6 MEuros net/year (somehow split between RM and porto)...

Pretty sure that, that kind of net income, would be largely appreciated @ your beloved CE Sabadell

 

We have a budget of 2.5m€ for the whole season

[Flesh-n-Bone]

 

 

In other words, you are wasting money and resources and especially time, building something that other will buy and destroy. And that ladies and gentlemen is what Modern Football is like.

Pretty sure that's how business works in general and it's not just football. The "less fortunate" build it up and the rich will spend the money to take it.

 

Although you have a point if you're trying to say that football shouldn't be treated as a business. But that's just how it is now. Money rules the world.

Edited November 25, 2015 by Flesh-n-Bone

[MyName'sJeff]

I see you are trying to justify Real Madrid being bullies. No wonder why the fanbase is such sh*t and the club will never be a truly successful club building on it's foundations and developing their home grown academy players. Pfft. And no, that's not how businesses work. They take risks, yeah. but they do not spend an unneccessary amount of money on things they don't need, that have no use to them or just will not fit into their agenda. Businesses who do this end up as a failure instantly or down the line, not to mention it's a very shady practice and people will always fight them when there's wrong doing. There's a fine line between Madrid buying a player that they can use and develop who might possibly end up a success or a failure than outright spending money on players just because of the hype and footballing talent, this is why a lot of them fail.

[Flesh-n-Bone]

Let's not act like Real is the only club doing it. Barcelona does it now, Man Utd does it now, Man City does it now, Chelsea has done it, PSG does it too. Successful clubs get money and with that money, they will spend a fortune on players who have the most hype. That's just how it is now and it started spreading beyond Real Madrid (since they were the big club with the big buys of players like Zidane and Ronaldo back in the early 00s) when Abramovich bought Chelsea and Barcelona became more successful.

 

I don't pretend to like this whole spend £80 million on players thing but that's how things work nowadays. PSG paid £50 million for David Luiz, at least Real spends 50+ only on big stars. lol @ "bullies". Businesses DO work like this by the way. Successful ventures that start from scratch get bought by the rich companies. See: google buying youtube etc.

[SouthLand]

Let's not act like Real is the only club doing it. Barcelona does it now, Man Utd does it now, Man City does it now, Chelsea has done it, PSG does it too. Successful clubs get money and with that money, they will spend a fortune on players who have the most hype. That's just how it is now and it started spreading beyond Real Madrid (since they were the big club with the big buys of players like Zidane and Ronaldo back in the early 00s) when Abramovich bought Chelsea and Barcelona became more successful.

 

I don't pretend to like this whole spend £80 million on players thing but that's how things work nowadays. PSG paid £50 million for David Luiz, at least Real spends 50+ only on big stars. lol @ "bullies". Businesses DO work like this by the way. Successful ventures that start from scratch get bought by the rich companies. See: google buying youtube etc.

 

 

You know that i personally hate on Barcelona and Madrid pretty much the same. And I agree that this is how the world works right now when it comes to football but... Is it really the best thing? Look at Real Madrid Castilla or FC Barcelona B... How are the Barça and Madrid youth system doing? Horrible. Why? Because they don't invest and care about it. FC Barcelona B is in relegation position right now and they have announced that in the Winter they are going to BUY five more players for the B Team.

 

I think we should start doing like Brazil. Brazil exports football players everywhere in the world from Spain to Moldova to Ukraine and Kazakhstan. That way, they will always have player that can become very good and have them play for their national team.

[Flesh-n-Bone]

"Is it really the best thing?"

 

It really isn't. As a Real fan, while I might enjoy seeing big stars play for the team, I have not been a fan of the instability in the team since Perez' obsession with recreating the first galactico era at all. The constant off-loading quality players to buy the flavor of the month hype every year is one of the reasons for the limited success we've had in the past decade. It doesn't allow the players to build a plan together or chemistry because there's constantly a new guy who has to start fitting in and the overload of big names will lead to talented players being benched and losing their form which just destroys all momentum when something goes wrong. I could've easily done with Özil remaining in the team and not having Bale as his replacement. I could've lived with Di Maria remaining with Real and not having James come over (although he's been one of our best players every time he's playing). Imagine all that with Ancelotti still managing and we wouldn't be in such a miserable state, nearly losing a 4-0 lead against Shakhtar and holding on by the skin of their teeth.

 

That's why I like Germany as a national team. They work as a TEAM and don't need a big superstar player to carry them.

[Doc Rikowski]

 

Didn't watch the Clasico because i am not interested. Barça won by 0-4 which means, that FCB is going to win the league tittle and possibly the Spanish cup again. There is still even people that tell me that the Spanish league is the best league in the world...

La Liga is the best league in the world, there is no doubt about it. It is not the most exciting, sure, but even mid-table teams in Spain are way better than their counterparts in England, Italy or Germany. The overall quality in the Spanish league is incredible.

 

Sevilla, Atletico and Valencia are definitely struggling in this year CL against counterparts from even weaker leagues than the other main ones. Beside Barça, recently, I haven't really seen much quality in other Spanish clubs.

[theblackswan]

Lol.

English and German leagues are way more demanding (for a club with European ambitions) than the Spanish league, if you're making comparison based on that. Stoke v Spurs, Palace v Spurs, West Ham v Spurs are more entertaining and more likely to have a surprising result rather than Betis v Valencia, Rayo v Valencia or Getafe v Valencia. That and I believe English clubs are actually aiming league success rather than European success.

[Doc Rikowski]

Messi Suarez Neymar

 

It's starting to become embarrassing how good and deadly those 3 are together...

[MyName'sJeff]

If we continue to play like this for a few more games, especially in games like this where we can win, I'd love to see Van Gaal get the sack. His philosophy has no place in this team and is never going to work, not to mention it really is not an interesting philosophy either. And Rooney needs to be taken off the team, he is atrocious. Martial up front please, I don't understand in any logical way why this guy isn't out go-to-guy after his first few games.

Edited November 28, 2015 by MyName'sJeff

[Crokey]

Well congrats to Vardy for breaking the record, next in his sights is the Undertakers undefeated streak he got at Wrestlemania.

[MyName'sJeff]

Vardy is exposing all the big names in the league. And rightfully so. I can actually see big teams trying to get him next season, the question is will he leave especially when he's 28 and meet his destiny or will he be loyal to Leicester? It's a really awkward situation for the big clubs because they don't want a 28 year old who possibly is going through a one off phase or is the real deal who doesn't have many years in him until he's finished.

Edited November 29, 2015 by MyName'sJeff

[Girish]

Vardy is exposing all the big names in the league. And rightfully so. I can actually see big teams trying to get him next season, the question is will he leave especially when he's 28 and meet his destiny or will he be loyal to Leicester? It's a really awkward situation for the big clubs because they don't want a 28 year old who possibly is going through a one off phase or is the real deal who doesn't have many years in him until he's finished.

Reports all around already linking him with a move to Chelsea in January for 30 mill. But then again, we are being linked to every other possible striker options these days. Kane, Higuain, Greizmann, Aubymeyang or whatever his name is...

 

You're right though. One season is not enough to judge a player, especially someone who may have already achieved his peak. But then again, you have players like Ronaldo, Suarez (also 28) and Ibrahimovic who continue showing us that age is just a number.

[MyName'sJeff]

But I suppose when it comes to the biggest names in football, it's because they are in excellent shape with more talent than anyone on this planet and know the game all round. Someone like Ibrahimovic has a bigger advantage than the others and that is the fact that he's quite tall and has strength, which means he can bully defenders non-stop. However, his decline is going to be more noticeable soon because he turned 34 in October, has a lack of pace which is going to get worse and a contract that is running out soon which will start to kill his hunger. I would have loved to see him in the BPL before he hit his 30's because I can't imagine any team that would have an answer to a machine who has an eye for goals. Maybe he can still do that, but he is going to have to accept he is not going to be a guaranteed starter and will be managed in a way that will not wear him down, and he is going to notice how physical the league actually is. The main problem is his ego, because he is not going to be happy if he doesn't get his ways.

 

But the point being, Vardy to me is the player that all teams want and that's a good thing whether he doesn't score as many next season or not. It's just a shame he's 28 because this is a player that you want to see play for 10 years and above and will make the league that much exciting. But we'll see then anyway, at the moment he's on fire and he's crazy fast.

Edited November 29, 2015 by MyName'sJeff

[jaidev]

5 years down the line, we will see Ballon D'or nominees, which don't include Messi and Ronaldo. That would be exciting.

[MyName'sJeff]

True, and Neymar is already on the list for this years Ballon D'or which is giving us a taste of things to come. And to be fair, this year he has been insane.

[Miro]

Yes, but I still don't believe that the Messi - Ronaldo rivalry will die just yet. At least three more years these two are still going to win the trophy, and afterwards, maybe Neymar or Bale could do it. Rather Neymar, at the way things look. Even Suarez. Just a question, if a suspended player plays in a cup match, because the staff forgot he was suspended, does the team get eliminated automatically from it? It happened last night with Real Madrid's Cheryshev. As far as I know, they should lose automatically 3-0.

[Crokey]

It would probably depend on each cups bylaws, they would follow the general rules of football, but there would be specific rules for the competition. I would imagine if there was an ineligible player then the opposition could get a bye, but if the player was say only on the pitch as a sub for about 10 minutes and did not effect the scoreline further, then the team may try and negotiate for a fine.

[Miro]

Well, he was playing the first full half and scored the first goal of the match after three minutes of play. The ending scoreline was 3-1 for Real Madrid. Not just that, but there was another suspended player on the bench that didn't enter though. Benitez took Cheryshev out (the guy who scored and was suspended) after 45 minutes of play due to finding out only throughout the first half that he was actually not eligible to play. Besides, Cadiz (the opposing team from the third division) already notified the Spanish football federation of this and now they're waiting for Real Madrid to come up with an explanation, so there was not the case to negotiate anything.

 

Real Madrid are pretending they weren't notified by Villareal (the previous team of Cheryshev) that he received three yellow cards last season in the Copa del Rey which would keep in suspended for the next match which is this one.

Edited December 3, 2015 by Miro

[Flesh-n-Bone]

So Real is disqualified from the cup. What a f*cking joke this is. What kind of management do they have when nobody even bothers to check for suspensions, smh.

 

Oh well, at least Liverpool are giving me something to be happy about while Real are going through this dark period. So much needs to be changed with the team and the management. Perez has turned it into a circus act and the sooner he's gone, the better off we'll be.

[Stephan90]

Never heard of that guy, couldn't Real have used a better player anyone knows? Couldn't the officials have prevented it before it happened? Really unlucky for the players.

[Miro]

Well, Perez said he would contest the decision sustaining that the staff of Real Madrid was not informed by either the Spanish Football Federation nor by the previous club of Cheryshev. I'll be curious if they'll get anything out of it. If not, then I don't even know what to say. This is just self-humiliation that Real Madrid is doing upon themselves. At the rate things are going I can see Ronaldo leaving earlier than it would be expected, especially if Manchester United are getting back on track this season.

 

It's even funny when the Cadiz supporters were shouting "thank you" messages to Cheryshev during the match without Benitez know what's going on.

Edited December 4, 2015 by Miro

[Stephan90]

It's even funny when the Cadiz supporters were shouting "thank you" messages to Cheryshev during the match without Benitez know what's going on.

 

lol

 

they should have kept Ancelotti. Why did they think Benitez was a better coach?

[Miro]

Ancelotti left himself because of his health problems from what I understood. The question is rather why they would get Benitez?