Red Dead Redemption 2: Discussion & Speculation (Part 2)

[zachsterosu]

^Nope, just random events.

 

Are we sure of that? That Dutch raised Arthur? He raised John. Did they say he helped bring up Arthur too?

Yup, I think it was in some of the IGN articles... Edited May 21, 2018 by zachsterosu

[Zello]

Are we sure of that? That Dutch raised Arthur? He raised John. Did they say he helped bring up Arthur too?

Arthur sits down at the campfire with the gang and tells them how much Dutch has meant to him as a father figure in his life.

 

We get a flashback of a young Arthur sitting on Dutches lap. Dutch is dressed up like Santa Claus.

 

"What do you want for christmas?"

 

"A ledgah so I can keep track of all the days little Timmy hasn't given me his lunch money."

 

Dutch surprises young Arthur with a ledger and the game switches back to present day where Arthur is in tears and in the background watching from far away Dutch sheds a tear.

Edited May 21, 2018 by Zello

[zachsterosu]

 

Are we sure of that? That Dutch raised Arthur? He raised John. Did they say he helped bring up Arthur too?

Arthur sits down at the campfire with the gang and tells them how much Dutch has meant to him as a father figure in his life.

 

We get a flashback of a young Arthur sitting on Dutches lap. Dutch is dressed up like Santa Claus.

 

"What do you want for christmas?"

 

"A ledgah so I can keep track of all the days little Timmy hasn't given me his lunch money."

 

Dutch surprises young Arthur with a ledger and the game switches back to present day where Arthur is in tears and in the background watching from far away Dutch sheds a tear.

Lmao

[Auditore]

 

 

I can imagine R* at E3 now.

 

Dan Houser comes up on stage and says 'We have big news for you guys'. Suddenly, the room goes dark. The dark screen displays a large red number 2 and the room goes silent. We hear a guitar playing music quietly and see a dusty desert on screen. Suddenly, the music gets louder we are shown large revolvers on the screen. And then we see it, the thing we were thinking about for a few months now:

 

GTA Online: Gunrunning 2

 

The audience growns.

 

And the Rockstar showing ends with Dan Houser showing his middle finger to everyone and yelling "f*ck You".....right after that the pre orders for Red Dead 2 go through the roof

Will Arthur betray his own gang?

 

The fact Edgar Ross says "You are a wanted man Mr.Morgan" makes me believe Morgan is the gang's spy

 

I doubt it since Dutch raised Arthur when he was a kid and brought him in the gang

 

I think it's still a possibility,Dutch raised him but we dont know if Arthur stayed with the gang since he was a kid,maybe he travelled turned into a spy and then went back to the gang

[nicktestbranch]

 

Are we sure of that? That Dutch raised Arthur? He raised John. Did they say he helped bring up Arthur too?

Arthur sits down at the campfire with the gang and tells them how much Dutch has meant to him as a father figure in his life.

 

We get a flashback of a young Arthur sitting on Dutches lap. Dutch is dressed up like Santa Claus.

 

"What do you want for christmas?"

 

"A ledgah so I can keep track of all the days little Timmy hasn't given me his lunch money."

 

Dutch surprises young Arthur with a ledger and the game switches back to present day where Arthur is in tears and in the background watching from far away Dutch sheds a tear.

If you lose the ledgah you lose a ton of Gang Respect Points. Just confirmed that today.

 

Also, in regards to the heist choices, you can technically setup young Jack Marston for ransom and not lose any points. Provided you buy the Ruthless People DLC and equip the bandana. However if Jack dies, PSN soft locks your copy of the first RDR. As for xbox, you can continue the first rdr virtually unaffected, except Jack is a vegetable in the cutscenes, and the game ends with John committing suicide when he finds out that Jack became grizzly lunch.

[StarAngelWolf]

 

As we wait for RDR 2 news to drop, check out Sly Shooter's newest RDR kill compilation:

 

There's a lot of hilarious deaths.

 

 

59 seconds

 

I had absolutely no idea NPC's could take a piss, is that some sort of mod?

 

No, but it probably doesn't occur very often in the game or is easily missed by players riding around. There's this one video showing a NPC doing it randomly. (Around the 1:11 mark)

 

 

[greenrock]

someone on rdr reddit said that it was recently confirmed that Rob Weithoff is not returning as John

 

where was this confirmed? source?

[StarAngelWolf]

someone on rdr reddit said that it was recently confirmed that Rob Weithoff is not returning as John

 

where was this confirmed? source?

Rob Wiethoff has to return to RDR 2 otherwise it wouldn't feel like the same character without him. Listening to a different actor would feel kind of off putting. If you listen closely to the 3rd trailer where John Marston appears, it sounds like him.

Edited May 21, 2018 by StarAngelWolf

[Cutter De Blanc]

they went the cheap route and just reused his lines from the first game

[SuperKitsune]

 

Are we sure of that? That Dutch raised Arthur? He raised John. Did they say he helped bring up Arthur too?

Arthur sits down at the campfire with the gang and tells them how much Dutch has meant to him as a father figure in his life.

 

We get a flashback of a young Arthur sitting on Dutches lap. Dutch is dressed up like Santa Claus.

 

"What do you want for christmas?"

 

"A ledgah so I can keep track of all the days little Timmy hasn't given me his lunch money."

 

Dutch surprises young Arthur with a ledger and the game switches back to present day where Arthur is in tears and in the background watching from far away Dutch sheds a tear.

And to top it all off, Dutch ends the flashback with his signature colgate smile.

[BLOOD]

 

Are we sure of that? That Dutch raised Arthur? He raised John. Did they say he helped bring up Arthur too?

Arthur sits down at the campfire with the gang and tells them how much Dutch has meant to him as a father figure in his life.

 

We get a flashback of a young Arthur sitting on Dutches lap. Dutch is dressed up like Santa Claus.

 

"What do you want for christmas?"

 

"A ledgah so I can keep track of all the days little Timmy hasn't given me his lunch money."

 

Dutch surprises young Arthur with a ledger and the game switches back to present day where Arthur is in tears and in the background watching from far away Dutch sheds a tear.

Lol.

[vKing]

 

someone on rdr reddit said that it was recently confirmed that Rob Weithoff is not returning as John

 

where was this confirmed? source?

Rob Wiethoff has to return to RDR 2 otherwise it wouldn't feel like the same character without him. Listening to a different actor would feel kind of off putting. If you listen closely to the 3rd trailer where John Marston appears, it sounds like him.

 

Yeah i personally hope he returns. Rob has such a unique voice, it's full of grit and authority but i don't think he will return. He himself has said that he will never return and that he is done with that life. But on the other hand he also said that he still misses working with Rockstar and that the experience changed his view upon life. (hence why he chose to move away from LA to his hometown with his wife and two kids.) If he ends up working again with Rockstar then Rockstar must have offered him a sweet deal.

 

For the true fans out there who likes Rob Weithoff or John Marston's story you should check out a video Polygon did on Rob. He actually cries in the video because he loves his family so much, and i know it sounds weird but personally he reminded me of John Marston when it should be the other way around lol. He literally embodies the character John Marston.

 

The video Polygon did on him:

 

Edited May 23, 2018 by vKing

[HandSoap2811]

Rockstar's artwork kinda gets me pumped up. They are simple yet contain elegance and beauty.

 

LA Noire and Red Dead has some of my faves they have done so far:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I agree with you, but i was a little disappointed with what i believe will be the final artwork for RDR2. They kind of just copy-pasted the same artwork from the first game and added the gang in there.

 

 

Both are holding a weapon aiming slightly downward at someone/something, both have that bullet belt across the chest. Maybe they are going for a GTA thing? Kind of like how every GTA cover after GTA3 looks like a comic with pictures in square boxes?

 

Little lazy but whatever, the game will be amazing and i cant wait until E3 where they hopefully will reveal gameplay. The game sounds amazing R* but show us gameplay.

Ken Levine talked about in this article why most games choose to have "generic" box art.

[user x]

 

 

 

 

 

New leaked information?

 

 

The YouTuber iRue399 claims R* showed off a new demo today, and someone affiliated with his channel was there and told him about things he can talk about, since he is under NDA:

 

The biggest takeaways...

 

1. Heists are non-linear (there is not a checklist to do or certain mission objectives in a ceratin order like GTAV)

2. You plan the heist yourself and the NPCs in your gang can be excited about it or have their doubts (R* wants to make them feel like real people)

3. If someone dies or you miss to get on the train, the mission does not necessarily fail, you just find another way (if something goes wrong, you need to do it differently, but it gets harder -> non-linear, no "failure" screen like in previous R* titles)

4. If you f*ck up the heist, people lose respect for you

5. To do the heist again if you really failed it, you need to prepare it again and may do it with different people in a different way

6. Like the other previews mentioned, R* wants to blur the lines between missions and sandbox gameplay, while still maintaing the level of quality they are known for

 

Again, this is not confirmed, take it with a grain of salt.

 

 

I mentioned point 3 not long ago, along with some other things

There is more, but all that is spoken ppr R * friend, it is not a leak

You mean you speculated about the things mentioned in point 3?

Because you clearly don't have inside information.

And how do you know this is a PR R* friend? They wouldn't send this information to a channel like iRue399...

By the way how is this not a leak? If it is true information, but not official, then it is a leak. (Obviously we don't know yet if this is true.)

you did not understand my message haha

I did not even see the video you mentioned

I do not know about that "channel". But I know that point 3 is real.

R * said it when the information boom, like other things that I quoted recently

 

I didn't go through the forum during the information boom.

Didn't know it was confirmed by a preview that heists are non linear... but was it really confirmed?

I talk to point 3 bro,other idk

[user x]

Apparently there are a couple of things confirmed, are a few

Things such as, the previous to have a conversation, is that everything around the NPC will become blurred to give more attention to this.

or that over days and actions will join more members to the gang, you will see the band grow entirely

In a mission you will not fail if you go to the other side of the point in the minimap, but that action will open new options

or interesting hunting facts

There are a few, I could make a list ..

'In the next minutes' u know lol

® #Fiscal

 

that kind of little things, that will be revolutionizing all this sh*t

or other things like, yes, you can put on a mustache and all that, but if you have it, you'll have to wait until your hair grows back to change it again, as I said before, it's some things and that makes the text a long

[SherifWayne]

 

 

Wondering what that "more" could be? Certain it won't be gameplay, since thats too soon. Any predictions?

More screens? Im hoping for some artwork!

Assume the least. More probably means screens at most, and maybe some minor game info.

[Catskill]

Cant wait for the 30th of June

Edited May 21, 2018 by Catskill

[Knightfury]

I assume the nightclub dlc will be late june and we are supposed to get info about rdr 2 in june so the next info blowout might be early june so e3 reveal could be happening at the sony stage , also is there any chance for a Game informer cover or we have given up the hope of one

[SherifWayne]

I assume the nightclub dlc will be late june and we are supposed to get info about rdr 2 in june so the next info blowout might be early june so e3 reveal could be happening at the sony stage , also is there any chance for a Game informer cover or we have given up the hope of one

Wasn't GTAV's game informer essentially the same aas the IGN previews we read on RDR2? I don't really care about it at this point I want some sort of gameplay trailer

[thedarkman123]

Next month is e3 month, maybe it will go a bit red there but i doubt it, i hope there will be a bit of gameplay there, 5 minutes of it will be awesome

[paddymcg]

Next month is e3 month, maybe it will go a bit red there but i doubt it, i hope there will be a bit of gameplay there, 5 minutes of it will be awesome

 

Don't hold your breath, I wouldn't be surprised at all if we don't see any gameplay until late August/September.

 

I think the most RDR will get at E3 is a brief mention with some pictures at Sony's conference to reveal some exclusive content. Maybe a new trailer though I doubt it.

[thedarkman123]

Where was that leaked e3 schedule, was it confirmed by someone, some insider or something?

[SherifWayne]

Every year we get hyped for R* at E3 and every year they never come. They will not be revealing sh*t at E3.

[vKing]

Every year we get hyped for R* at E3 and every year they never come. They will not be revealing sh*t at E3.

 

You're breaking their hearts man lol. But yeah i agree, feels bad man.

[Juan marstoon]

 

I'm curious to hear all of your opinions on this:

 

How would you all feel if Marston gets Morgan in the end? Would it make you see John in a different light?

 

Think about it for a second people. Rockstar has some real mindf*ck material to work with.

 

And I'm sure with them paying so much attention to character development and interactions, they won't hold back.

 

Nah, if John ends up killing Arthur it's not gonna shock me that much personally because John never mentioned Arthur at all in the first Red Dead. So if they end up doing it that way it won't make sense and it will waste the potential for great storytelling and character development.

 

I actually think Arthur will betray John. We all know from the last game that John was left for dead when a robbery went wrong and the gang left John. I think Dutch and the gang will kind of "force" Arthur to leave John and Arthur begrudgingly does so, feeling torn and heartbroken in the process; we will see this as the player controlling Arthur.

 

I also remember what Bill Williamson said to John when John was going to kill him in Mexico in RDR1: "You always was weak-minded. Dutch wanted you dead, we all did!"

 

Personally, i hate Bill because of this. He won't be joining Arthur on any robberies and heists i can tell you that much, f-ing scumbag LOL

 

 

 

→ "Arthur must make a choice between his own ideals and loyalty to the gang who raised him."

Maybe in the final mission Arthur is given the order to shoot John, who's become a nuisance to Dutch. But because John and Arthur are actually friends and they both know Dutch's gone crazy, Arthur does not kill him. Instead he aims at John and tells him: "When the time comes you gotta run and don't look back, this is over" then misses the shot on purpose (he hits him but doesnt kill him) and thus "saves" John from Dutch's ire. Later, Dutch finds out and shoots Arthur which leads to the gang splitting up. That could be one of the possible endings ?

Edited May 21, 2018 by Juan marstoon

[luke73tnt]

someone on rdr reddit said that it was recently confirmed that Rob Weithoff is not returning as John

 

where was this confirmed? source?

that wasnt confirmed anywhere

[StarAngelWolf]

I'm surprised no one mentioned this but I hope the horses can jump like in RDR. I know it isn't THAT important but Rockstar is known for putting little details in their games.

 

It would be lame if they just made the graphics look pretty and put less stuff into the game. (I doubt that though, but it does happen to some games *cough Far Cry 5 cough*)

[SuperKitsune]

 

 

I'm curious to hear all of your opinions on this:

 

How would you all feel if Marston gets Morgan in the end? Would it make you see John in a different light?

 

Think about it for a second people. Rockstar has some real mindf*ck material to work with.

 

And I'm sure with them paying so much attention to character development and interactions, they won't hold back.

Nah, if John ends up killing Arthur it's not gonna shock me that much personally because John never mentioned Arthur at all in the first Red Dead. So if they end up doing it that way it won't make sense and it will waste the potential for great storytelling and character development.

 

I actually think Arthur will betray John. We all know from the last game that John was left for dead when a robbery went wrong and the gang left John. I think Dutch and the gang will kind of "force" Arthur to leave John and Arthur begrudgingly does so, feeling torn and heartbroken in the process; we will see this as the player controlling Arthur.

 

I also remember what Bill Williamson said to John when John was going to kill him in Mexico in RDR1: "You always was weak-minded. Dutch wanted you dead, we all did!"

 

Personally, i hate Bill because of this. He won't be joining Arthur on any robberies and heists i can tell you that much, f-ing scumbag LOL

 

 

→ "Arthur must make a choice between his own ideals and loyalty to the gang who raised him."

 

Maybe in the final mission Arthur is given the order to shoot John, who's become a nuisance to Dutch. But because John and Arthur are actually friends and they both know Dutch's gone crazy, Arthur does not kill him. Instead he aims at John and tells him: "When the time comes you gotta run and don't look back, this is over" then misses the shot on purpose (he hits him but doesnt kill him) and thus "saves" John from Dutch's ire. Later, Dutch finds out and shoots Arthur which leads to the gang splitting up. That could be one of the possible endings ?

Whatever the relationship between Arthur and John ends up to be, I'm pretty sure it will be unique as we will see the gang from Arthur's perspective. Edited May 21, 2018 by SuperKitsune

[HandSoap2811]

I'm surprised no one mentioned this but I hope the horses can jump like in RDR. I know it isn't THAT important but Rockstar is known for putting little details in their games.

 

It would be lame if they just made the graphics look pretty and put less stuff into the game. (I doubt that though, but it does happen to some games *cough Far Cry 5 cough*)

Did you forget GTAVs downgrade in physics?

[The Shakermaker]

Howdy!

Was trying to upload an image.

Had to find a link though as I aint got a clue how to do it.

Is the fella at the end behind Sadie got a tattoo on his chest? Not sure if it has been mentioned or spotted before?