Red Dead Redemption 2: Discussion & Speculation (Part 2)

[~INDIO~]

 

 

 

 

 

I'm looking forward to it. As much as rockstar stinted the potential of GTA V, RDR is in a lot of ways its own thing. I just hope rockstar doesn't destroy the game with a freemium model.

 

Otherwise, the worst that could happen is I lose money on a disappointing game, so I move on with life as usual.

 

 

Oh no! Evil shark cards! How will I play the game now? Shark cards make the game unplayable. Microtransactions are the worst! /s

yeah but honestly rockstar hasnt abused the micro transactions method to the extreme as long as they keep the same formula for GTA Online with little to no effect on gameplay or progress its no big deal...the real problem is the idiots who spend real life money on video game money...the joke is on them....

 

Little to no effect on gameplay... I don't know what game you've been playing, but it ain't GTA Online.

and dont even me personally to even make that statement...you dont know how I play GTA ONLINE....well at least u tried punk

Just ignore that guy, he's said some of the most idiotic things I've read around here

[Synthetic_Soul]

I was just thinking this time last year we were still fiending for info. Still hoping with every fiber of our being that the game was still on track for fall, and how close that seemed even though we had nothing to go on.

 

It still may seem so far, so far away but, just stop and think after all this time, 2 years of struggle, and now we're only 5 measly months away. 160 days ladies and gents! sh*t, that's less than our first info drought.

 

We're so incredibly close. October will be here so quickly it's almost hard to fathom, and we'll all be on here like:

 

"Holy sh*t! Did you see this? Did you see that!"

 

"pfft that ain't nothing what you gotta see this!"

 

"Can you believe that this is what actually happened?!"

 

And I for one can't wait to see that happen. It's going to be an interesting time on this thread that's for sure.

 

It's going to be like giving a whole room of sugar-starved 7 year olds free reign over the candy aisle.

 

At the risk of being clichè I have to say it again:

 

"This place; ain't no such thing as civilized."

Edited May 19, 2018 by Synthetic_Soul

[xSilencedTNT]

Anybody Still Stalking For Arthur's Voice Actor?

[SneakyDeaky]

 

Been a while! How is everyone?

 

A quick reminder. Red Dead Redemption celebrates its 8th year anniversary today.

Also 8 years since John died.. So...Umm mixed feelings

 

He was a known thief, murderer and degenerate. He will not be missed.

 

And there was nothing on the marker to explain to Mrs Feathers why her only daughter had married a known thief and murderer, a man of notoriously vicious and intemperate disposition.

[Len Lfc]

 

 

Been a while! How is everyone?

 

A quick reminder. Red Dead Redemption celebrates its 8th year anniversary today.

Also 8 years since John died.. So...Umm mixed feelings

 

He was a known thief, murderer and degenerate. He will not be missed.

He was a better man than you will ever be.

 

What about Heidi McCourt? Better than her?

[Feather]

 

 

Been a while! How is everyone?

 

A quick reminder. Red Dead Redemption celebrates its 8th year anniversary today.

Also 8 years since John died.. So...Umm mixed feelings

 

He was a known thief, murderer and degenerate. He will not be missed.

 

And there was nothing on the marker to explain to Mrs Feathers why her only daughter had married a known thief and murderer, a man of notoriously vicious and intemperate disposition.

 

[Red.Monster.Dead]

 

Nice find. I Wonder how the relationship between Arthur and John is gonna play out. Very interested in that. I expect some good explanation from R* regarding the absence of Arthur in John's memories.

 

John didn't need to mention Arthur,he wasn't one of his targets,he always talks about Javier,Bill and Dutch because they were his targets.And Arthur probably was one of John's friends in the gang for two reasons.

 

1.One of the previews said Arthur was the level headed member of the gang,stopping fights and keeping morale high.That means he probably tried to be friends with everyone including John

 

2.I bet Arthur's quote from the first trailer was said to John

 

That line might really be for him indeed, maybe when the gang begins to crumble or something like that. But if they were friends and Arthur had a pivot role at helping John, hence the advice he's giving him there, why wouldn't John mention Arthur a single time in rdr1? I know Arthur didn't exist back then, but I'd really appreciate some plot device dealing with that situation.

[SuperKitsune]

 

 

Why didn't I know about this before? I don't feel like a true rdr fan anymore

[Cutter De Blanc]

Listening to Bill and Javier talking it sounds like John was a bit of a stick in the mud

 

I think either Bill or Javier said it was John's fault the gang broke up

[SuperKitsune]

Listening to Bill and Javier talking it sounds like John was a bit of a stick in the mud

 

I think either Bill or Javier said it was John's fault the gang broke up

I think they sensed John was starting to have other obligations such as his family and keeping them safe.

 

I don't think John is the kind of guy to snitch out on them. But perhaps he did after all to keep his family under law protection, safe and away from his former comrades.

 

Maybe it was John who reached out to Edgar in the first place to be placed under protection. We all know this would later backfire of course leading to the events of rdr1.

 

Either way I agree that most of the gang's opinion on John wasn't all that great.

[Synthetic_Soul]

 

 

 

Been a while! How is everyone?

 

A quick reminder. Red Dead Redemption celebrates its 8th year anniversary today.

Also 8 years since John died.. So...Umm mixed feelings

 

 

He was a known thief, murderer and degenerate. He will not be missed.

 

And there was nothing on the marker to explain to Mrs Feathers why her only daughter had married a known thief and murderer, a man of notoriously vicious and intemperate disposition.

 

William motherf*cking munny! Great reference!

 

Clint Eastwood in unforgiven. One of the best westerns of all time. If you've never seen it your definitely missing out.

 

His character is a lot like John marston. An outlaw in search of an impossible redemption.

[Cutter De Blanc]

It's interesting how Dutch never seems like he feels betrayed by John like Bill and Javier do. I never got that impression from him. Almost like he's proud that John is one of the good ones, even though he himself is not. Like when your child finally wins an argument with you.

[Auditore]

 

 

Nice find. I Wonder how the relationship between Arthur and John is gonna play out. Very interested in that. I expect some good explanation from R* regarding the absence of Arthur in John's memories.

 

John didn't need to mention Arthur,he wasn't one of his targets,he always talks about Javier,Bill and Dutch because they were his targets.And Arthur probably was one of John's friends in the gang for two reasons.

 

1.One of the previews said Arthur was the level headed member of the gang,stopping fights and keeping morale high.That means he probably tried to be friends with everyone including John

 

2.I bet Arthur's quote from the first trailer was said to John

 

 

That line might really be for him indeed, maybe when the gang begins to crumble or something like that. But if they were friends and Arthur had a pivot role at helping John, hence the advice he's giving him there, why wouldn't John mention Arthur a single time in rdr1? I know Arthur didn't exist back then, but I'd really appreciate some plot device dealing with that situation.

 

He didn't need to mention him,the same way he didn't talk about Uncle's time in the gang,there were loads of gang members that John didn't talk about and Arthur was one of them

 

 

Why didn't I know about this before? I don't feel like a true rdr fan anymore

 

To be honest calling that Tech Demo Red Dead Redemption is a bit silly,i doubt Rockstar knew what the story was going to be about when that demo was released

[SuperKitsune]

Still..it counts as the beta to the beta of rdr

[user x]

Apparently there are a couple of things confirmed, are a few

Things such as, the previous to have a conversation, is that everything around the NPC will become blurred to give more attention to this.

or that over days and actions will join more members to the gang, you will see the band grow entirely

In a mission you will not fail if you go to the other side of the point in the minimap, but that action will open new options

or interesting hunting facts

There are a few, I could make a list ..

'In the next minutes' u know lol

[Nutduster]

 

 

 

 

 

I'm looking forward to it. As much as rockstar stinted the potential of GTA V, RDR is in a lot of ways its own thing. I just hope rockstar doesn't destroy the game with a freemium model.

 

Otherwise, the worst that could happen is I lose money on a disappointing game, so I move on with life as usual.

 

 

Oh no! Evil shark cards! How will I play the game now? Shark cards make the game unplayable. Microtransactions are the worst! /s

yeah but honestly rockstar hasnt abused the micro transactions method to the extreme as long as they keep the same formula for GTA Online with little to no effect on gameplay or progress its no big deal...the real problem is the idiots who spend real life money on video game money...the joke is on them....

 

Little to no effect on gameplay... I don't know what game you've been playing, but it ain't GTA Online.

me being someone who has never bought a shark card I have millions of dollars to last me the next few updates just from Heists..Cocaine Businesses & some Event weeks...so get the f*ck outta here.....

How many hours did it take you to make those millions? How precious little of recent updates can you buy with those millions? Both of those are because of shark cards. Real happy for you if you have avoided buying a card yourself, but the entire game is indisputably different because they even exist. So f*ck outta here your own self.

[Nutduster]

and dont even me personally to even make that statement...you dont know how I play GTA ONLINE....well at least u tried punk

Unless you don't f*cking play it at all, your experience has been altered because shark cards exist and they want to motivate players to buy them. Open your eyes. You can defend the sh*t if you feel compelled, but please don't sit there and try to pretend that they didn't inform many aspects of the game design all along the way. Nobody can possibly be that naive. There isn't a ten million dollar gold plane because they think it's good, fun gameplay to grind for 40 hours for something so useless.

Edited May 19, 2018 by Nutduster

[Spitta_Vercetti]

 

and dont even me personally to even make that statement...you dont know how I play GTA ONLINE....well at least u tried punk

Unless you don't f*cking play it at all, your experience has been altered because shark cards exist and they want to motivate players to buy them. Open your eyes. You can defend the sh*t if you feel compelled, but please don't sit there and try to pretend that they didn't inform many aspects of the game design all along the way. Nobody can possibly be that naive. There isn't a ten million dollar gold plane because they think it's good, fun gameplay to grind for 40 hours for something so useless. Im not defending sh*t I can care less about GTA Online at this point....but I had & have enough friends online and good money making methods whenever I do play to NOT to buy a shark card....but thats me , I cant speak for no one else..... Edited May 19, 2018 by Wavybone216

[Auditore]

Listening to Bill and Javier talking it sounds like John was a bit of a stick in the mud

 

I think either Bill or Javier said it was John's fault the gang broke up

 

Well Bill and Javier opinions are biased....because they are a bunch of assholes,from the previews it seems Bill is hotheaded and thinks he's the next big leader of the gang and Javier clearly idolizes Dutch(his chlotes are similar to Dutch),so of course they would try to blame John,its like the younger brother that thinks the older one was the reason their parents broke up.

[Nutduster]

 

 

and dont even me personally to even make that statement...you dont know how I play GTA ONLINE....well at least u tried punk

Unless you don't f*cking play it at all, your experience has been altered because shark cards exist and they want to motivate players to buy them. Open your eyes. You can defend the sh*t if you feel compelled, but please don't sit there and try to pretend that they didn't inform many aspects of the game design all along the way. Nobody can possibly be that naive. There isn't a ten million dollar gold plane because they think it's good, fun gameplay to grind for 40 hours for something so useless.

Im not defending sh*t I can care less about GTA Online at this point....but I had & have enough friends online and good money making methods whenever I do play to NOT to buy a shark card....but thats me , I cant speak for no one else.....

That's not really the point I'm making. Lots of people never buy them, obviously. I just think the game has been made way grindier and more repetitive because of shark cards. Prices are way too high and earn rates are too low. You can find ways around it, but it just bugs me that they made their game into basically a job, if you want to keep up with the Joneses. I don't want to see RDR2 go the same way. Even if it has to have microtransactions, I hope it's either buying content packs or buying aesthetic items; buying in-game cash seems much sleazier and more intrusive on the game design. (Lootboxes are worst of all, of course.)

Edited May 19, 2018 by Nutduster

[Spitta_Vercetti]

 

 

 

and dont even me personally to even make that statement...you dont know how I play GTA ONLINE....well at least u tried punk

Unless you don't f*cking play it at all, your experience has been altered because shark cards exist and they want to motivate players to buy them. Open your eyes. You can defend the sh*t if you feel compelled, but please don't sit there and try to pretend that they didn't inform many aspects of the game design all along the way. Nobody can possibly be that naive. There isn't a ten million dollar gold plane because they think it's good, fun gameplay to grind for 40 hours for something so useless.

Im not defending sh*t I can care less about GTA Online at this point....but I had & have enough friends online and good money making methods whenever I do play to NOT to buy a shark card....but thats me , I cant speak for no one else.....That's not really the point I'm making. Lots of people never buy them, obviously. I just think the game has been made way grindier and more repetitive because of shark cards. Prices are way too high and earn rates are too low. You can find ways around it, but it just bugs me that they made their game into basically a job, if you want to keep up with the Joneses. I don't want to see RDR2 go the same way. Even if it has to have microtransactions, I hope it's either buying content packs or buying aesthetic items; buying in-game cash seems much sleazier and more intrusive on the game design. (Lootboxes are worst of all, of course.) Oh Yeah , I understand your point on that....

[Spider-Vice]

Time to cut the arguments, folks... Discuss playing GTA Online elsewhere.

[Keith_The_Triangle]

 

 

 

Been a while! How is everyone?

 

A quick reminder. Red Dead Redemption celebrates its 8th year anniversary today.

Also 8 years since John died.. So...Umm mixed feelings

 

He was a known thief, murderer and degenerate. He will not be missed.

 

And there was nothing on the marker to explain to Mrs Feathers why her only daughter had married a known thief and murderer, a man of notoriously vicious and intemperate disposition.

 

 

 

Its a quote from Unforgiven, which has a similar plot to RDR

[Keith_The_Triangle]

 

 

 

Nice find. I Wonder how the relationship between Arthur and John is gonna play out. Very interested in that. I expect some good explanation from R* regarding the absence of Arthur in John's memories.

 

John didn't need to mention Arthur,he wasn't one of his targets,he always talks about Javier,Bill and Dutch because they were his targets.And Arthur probably was one of John's friends in the gang for two reasons.

 

1.One of the previews said Arthur was the level headed member of the gang,stopping fights and keeping morale high.That means he probably tried to be friends with everyone including John

 

2.I bet Arthur's quote from the first trailer was said to John

 

 

That line might really be for him indeed, maybe when the gang begins to crumble or something like that. But if they were friends and Arthur had a pivot role at helping John, hence the advice he's giving him there, why wouldn't John mention Arthur a single time in rdr1? I know Arthur didn't exist back then, but I'd really appreciate some plot device dealing with that situation.

 

He didn't need to mention him,the same way he didn't talk about Uncle's time in the gang,there were loads of gang members that John didn't talk about and Arthur was one of them

 

 

 

John and Uncle do talk about Uncle being part of the gang though...

[Mirokunite]

 

Why didn't I know about this before? I don't feel like a true rdr fan anymore

I think I seen screenshots from that in EGM or PSM back in the day.

[luke73tnt]

October 26th cant come fast enough I swear

[Red.Monster.Dead]

 

 

 

 

Nice find. I Wonder how the relationship between Arthur and John is gonna play out. Very interested in that. I expect some good explanation from R* regarding the absence of Arthur in John's memories.

 

John didn't need to mention Arthur,he wasn't one of his targets,he always talks about Javier,Bill and Dutch because they were his targets.And Arthur probably was one of John's friends in the gang for two reasons.

 

1.One of the previews said Arthur was the level headed member of the gang,stopping fights and keeping morale high.That means he probably tried to be friends with everyone including John

 

2.I bet Arthur's quote from the first trailer was said to John

 

That line might really be for him indeed, maybe when the gang begins to crumble or something like that. But if they were friends and Arthur had a pivot role at helping John, hence the advice he's giving him there, why wouldn't John mention Arthur a single time in rdr1? I know Arthur didn't exist back then, but I'd really appreciate some plot device dealing with that situation.

 

He didn't need to mention him,the same way he didn't talk about Uncle's time in the gang,there were loads of gang members that John didn't talk about and Arthur was one of them

 

 

John and Uncle do talk about Uncle being part of the gang though...

I understand there's no need to talk about every single person that was a member of the gang, but Arthur being chosen to be the main protagonist to this long awaited sequel, must be a sign that he indeed played an important role in John's life. That's why I think there need to be some explanation. I don't know, maybe I'm just seeing to much into it, but o like when things are dealt with in a good way.

[Auditore]

 

 

 

 

Nice find. I Wonder how the relationship between Arthur and John is gonna play out. Very interested in that. I expect some good explanation from R* regarding the absence of Arthur in John's memories.

 

John didn't need to mention Arthur,he wasn't one of his targets,he always talks about Javier,Bill and Dutch because they were his targets.And Arthur probably was one of John's friends in the gang for two reasons.

 

1.One of the previews said Arthur was the level headed member of the gang,stopping fights and keeping morale high.That means he probably tried to be friends with everyone including John

 

2.I bet Arthur's quote from the first trailer was said to John

 

 

That line might really be for him indeed, maybe when the gang begins to crumble or something like that. But if they were friends and Arthur had a pivot role at helping John, hence the advice he's giving him there, why wouldn't John mention Arthur a single time in rdr1? I know Arthur didn't exist back then, but I'd really appreciate some plot device dealing with that situation.

 

He didn't need to mention him,the same way he didn't talk about Uncle's time in the gang,there were loads of gang members that John didn't talk about and Arthur was one of them

 

 

 

John and Uncle do talk about Uncle being part of the gang though...

 

 

John only talks about Uncle's time in the gang with Uncle himself.

[Spitta_Vercetti]

Time to cut the arguments, folks... Discuss playing GTA Online elsewhere.

I was done then and there

[Potter145]

I just think [GTA Online] has been made way grindier and more repetitive because of shark cards. Prices are way too high and earn rates are too low. You can find ways around it, but it just bugs me that they made their game into basically a job, if you want to keep up with the Joneses.

 

That is true. I started playing GTA Online again last week and it sometimes really feels tiring to grind money, since they didnt change the earn rates and there is expensive content in it that has been added the past 4 years.

So this obviously means that if you come in as a new player in 2018 wanting all that content, it certainly feels like a job. But imagine you are a GTA Online player who has been playing since 2013, then I think you don't have much of a problem with the prices, since you have a head up of over 4 years.

Now in terms of Red Dead Redemption II and what that means for that game: Basically if you start playing Red Dead Online at the beginning (which I will do and I assume most of us here), you won't have much of a problem later I think (admitting we dont know much about the online multiplayer experience).

But you have to give Rockstar Games credits too though. I think they do a good job in GTA Online in terms of gameplay. Every player has access to every gameplay and mode. You just can't own every vehicle if you don't have the money or own every business (which is fine). I need to say I'm also not that concerned about the prices. If you have proper businesses and friends to play with, you can make more than one Million GTA$ in one hour, if you combine exporting vehicles with 4 friends and doing VIP-Missions plus the passive income through MC and Bunker Business. A lot of new cars cost around 2 Million. So if you know the ways, you'll get what you want in no time. (Obviously a little bit of grinding is necessary for new players to set everything up, but from then, you should be fine).

 

I don't want to see RDR2 go the same way. Even if it has to have microtransactions, I hope it's either buying content packs or buying aesthetic items; buying in-game cash seems much sleazier and more intrusive on the game design. (Lootboxes are worst of all, of course.)

 

We don't really know how Red Dead Online will work and the marketing for RDR2 has been mainly about Single-Player. So given that fact, we very much can not speculate on what to expect from the monetization of this game.

The way I see it: R* will implement a system where every player can do everything, but if you have more money, you will have slight advantages and you can buy more.

Edited May 20, 2018 by TheExecutor10