Red Dead Redemption 2: Discussion & Speculation (Part 2)

[B_E_N_1992]

 

So anyone think that we can resell guns picked up or bought?. We can with hunting, so it seems logical to be able to sell guns for a faction of there bought value

That would be cool, but I wonder how that would work with limited inventory space. I'm sure our horse can't hold 36 cattleman revolvers to take into town to sell at the gun shop.

 

Something that worries me with the hunting/inventory mechanic...if we can only carry one large animal on our horse, hunting trips might get tedious. I guess it's more realistic than riding down to Chuparosa with 88 bear pelts though...LOL.

 

Well, you just sell one gun you have on you, then buy another if needed

[joshua969]

Link to the take 2 meeting?

It doesn't start until 4:30 pm Eastern time, so a little over 3 hours away. Link is below

http://ir.take2games.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=86428&p=irol-EventDetails&EventId=5270646

Edited May 16, 2018 by joshua969

[pjw]

I'd guess you can only carry one large animal carcass on your horse and then a few smaller ones too, but if you choose to skin some animals on the spot instead of carrying their carcasses away I think you'll be able to hold a decent amount of pelts in your inventory. Arthur's personal inventory is likely smaller than John's in the original RDR and will perhaps be increased by purchasing larger satchels, or extended via saddlebags.

 

Any thoughts?

Edited May 16, 2018 by pjw

[joshua969]

I'd guess you can only carry one large animal carcass on your horse and then a few smaller ones too, but if you choose to skin some animals on the spot instead of carrying their carcasses away I think you'll be able to hold a decent amount of pelts in your inventory.

Good point. I forgot the option to take only the pelt. Speaking of pelts, I hope there's something equally as awesome and ridiculous as the expert hunter outfit. I loved rocking this in RDR..

[1898]

I'd guess you can only carry one large animal carcass on your horse and then a few smaller ones too, but if you choose to skin some animals on the spot instead of carrying their carcasses away I think you'll be able to hold a decent amount of pelts in your inventory. Arthur's personal inventory is likely smaller than John's in the original RDR and will perhaps be increased by purchasing larger satchels, or extended via saddlebags.

 

Any thoughts?

 

Maybe we'll be able to have a pack horse as well as a rider.

 

Or maybe a wagon to tote carcasses and skins to and fro.

Edited May 16, 2018 by 1898

[Hugoat]

Since Rockstar is giving realism to this game, will we have healing items or will the health be regenerated automatically as in the first game?

[pjw]

 

I'd guess you can only carry one large animal carcass on your horse and then a few smaller ones too, but if you choose to skin some animals on the spot instead of carrying their carcasses away I think you'll be able to hold a decent amount of pelts in your inventory.

Good point. I forgot the option to take only the pelt. Speaking of pelts, I hope there's something equally as awesome and ridiculous as the expert hunter outfit. I loved rocking this in RDR..

 

Edited May 16, 2018 by pjw

[Groggy Gorilla]

Since we were kinda on the topic of Edgar Ross, does anyone else think Edgar Ross was the one that said "You're a wanted man, Mr. Morgan" in the second trailer? I've listened to that bit over and over again many times, and that voice sounds strikingly similar to Ross' to me.

[Horrid_Saiyam]

Since we were kinda on the topic of Edgar Ross, does anyone else think Edgar Ross was the one that said "You're a wanted man, Mr. Morgan" in the second trailer? I've listened to that bit over and over again many times, and that voice sounds strikingly similar to Ross' to me.

Obviously mah dude thats Edgar Ross

[luke73tnt]

Since we were kinda on the topic of Edgar Ross, does anyone else think Edgar Ross was the one that said "You're a wanted man, Mr. Morgan" in the second trailer? I've listened to that bit over and over again many times, and that voice sounds strikingly similar to Ross' to me.

yes weve been over this thats definitely Edgar Ross

[Groggy Gorilla]

 

Since we were kinda on the topic of Edgar Ross, does anyone else think Edgar Ross was the one that said "You're a wanted man, Mr. Morgan" in the second trailer? I've listened to that bit over and over again many times, and that voice sounds strikingly similar to Ross' to me.

yes weve been over this thats definitely Edgar Ross

 

 

Ahhh, my bad. I’ve only read back about 100-150 pages, so either I missed that part, or it was discussed before that point. I did have another theory to share, but forgive me if this has already been discussed before too.

 

***

 

This one might be a huge leap, but does one of Arthur Morgan's jackets not look similar to Jack's default outfit's jacket? The very slight colour and texture variances could be a design choice and a consequence of improved graphics. Or I could be completely off the mark. Either way though, I'm basing this on a theory that I came up with when the third trailer came out.

 

The theory of Jack and Arthur

 

This theory assumes four things (some of which are—as always—a bit of a leap).

· The leak which popped up on Reddit a long time ago claiming that players will take control of John Marston after the game's finale is true (this was a very credible leak, considering some of the other things it claimed, including the playable character's name, turned out to be true).

· The leaked map was accurate. (This one has also been proven to be true, at least for an early build of the game.)

· The writing in the third trailer suggests that it might be written by someone. The theory goes that this is Jack's handwriting, and he's writing a book which follows the story of his father.

· The last assumption is that Rockstar wouldn't repeat themselves by killing off Arthur Morgan in order to pass the baton to a different character.

 

Assuming the above four things become true, my theory is that near the end of the game, Arthur Morgan will escape (possibly by faking his death) to that unnamed small Spanish/Mexican region that was shown on the leaked map, separate from the main map.

 

After John’s death, Jack will visit Arthur (can’t really speculate as to how he would find out where Arthur is). During his visit, Arthur will tell him stories about John and Dutch’s gang, which Jack will then write about. He will also find out more about Edgar Ross through Arthur. Jack will then head back to hunt Ross down to get his revenge and get a proper ending for his book (pretty much giving himself away to the authorities). This time spent with Arthur could perhaps even influence his choice in jackets?

 

Like I said, the entire theory hinges on some huge leaps, and it does have a few holes (like how Rockstar will actually show this bit if John is to be the playable character at the end of the game). Also, Jack would only be 19 when he made his return, around the time that Abigail dies. So, would he come back to find out that she was dead? Would he even have gone alone? Where would they have fled when John sends them away? Could it be that Abigail was actually the one who leads Jack to Arthur, and then Abigail falls sick and wants to be buried next to John, so Jack brings her back?

Edited May 16, 2018 by Groggy Gorilla

[Cutter De Blanc]

I think Jack just thought Arthur's jacket was cool, and got himself one

[user x]

hard day in the thread

 

I've seen that many missions are being configured

something that is eliminating some facets of the secondary because they do not fit with what they seek

[luke73tnt]

 

For those who didn't listen to the conference call, it wasn't that interesting, this is what I gathered

 

Karl reaffirmed the 26 oct street date, said Rockstar will reveal more info in the coming months.

V sold (shipped?) 95 million copies

More GTAO dlc coming

2k's 'highly anticipated title' (borderlands 3?) is moved to next fiscal year

No games will be unveiled at E3, T2 is just there for business reasons

in the coming months? sh*t they said in the coming weeks and that took months! Imagine how long in the coming months will be after we get our June info! It cant be too long...right guys?

[SuperKitsune]

Nevermind, I'll just do it now lol.

 

-long post incoming-

 

Ok, well the first bit of info is regarding the returning firearm - the item on the right is what I believe to be the 'semi-automatic pistol'(C93 Borchardt) from RDR1.

 

 

 

 

Now the second thing, look at the badge on Edgar Ross is wearing.

 

 

 

Here are all the in-universe lawman badges that we know of:

 

 

 

Notice that it doesn't match a single one. Now we know that the Blackwater police force has been founded by 1899, as seen in Trailer 3, and presumably(following real history) the Bureau of Investigation has not. Now take a look at the actual Pinkerton Badges:

 

 

 

I'd say that Edgar's badge looks close enough to be a slightly fictionalized version of one of these, but obviously this is just my observation(I guess it's not really 'solid' evidence lol). Now regarding the Pinkerton group, I still believe there's a chance they might be the 'Cornwall' Detective Agency in RDR2. The Pinkerton's were often hired to guard trains, so that for me is one of the best possible explanations for the armored rail-cars with gun slots. The Cornwall advertisement on the streetcar during the robbery scene in Trailer 3 also adds credence to this, as the Pinkerton Agency would often put ads in newspapers and such.

 

The Cornwall crest/emblem:

 

 

 

Now why would an industrial company(kerosene and tar) have a coat of arms, as well as private armored rail-cars? To me, this all points to a military/security force, such as the Pinkerton Detective Agency.

 

Again, this is just my theory, I could very well be wrong. Thoughts?

I applaud your attention to detail, lad. A job well done!

[Jason]

 

For those who didn't listen to the conference call, it wasn't that interesting, this is what I gathered

 

Karl reaffirmed the 26 oct street date, said Rockstar will reveal more info in the coming months.

V sold (shipped?) 95 million copies

More GTAO dlc coming

2k's 'highly anticipated title' (borderlands 3?) is moved to next fiscal year

No games will be unveiled at E3, T2 is just there for business reasons

in the coming months? sh*t they said in the coming weeks and that took months! Imagine how long in the coming months will be after we get our June info! It cant be too long...right guys?

 

 

I wouldn't read too much into that, it's probably just a vague comment confirming more info soon without giving a more specific date. Take-Two don't really speak about when their developers are gonna talk about their upcoming games in those calls.

[HandSoap2811]

 

For those who didn't listen to the conference call, it wasn't that interesting, this is what I gathered

 

Karl reaffirmed the 26 oct street date, said Rockstar will reveal more info in the coming months.

V sold (shipped?) 95 million copies

More GTAO dlc coming

2k's 'highly anticipated title' (borderlands 3?) is moved to next fiscal year

No games will be unveiled at E3, T2 is just there for business reasons

 

When is their next fiscal year, March 2019? Does this mean it was delayed?

[Jason]

Polish and because of RDR2 for sure. It isn't the only game to get delayed out of this fall into next year, there's a growing list of them. Between CoD, Battlefield, whatever Ubi have and of course Red Dead 2 there's no more room in the inn for anything else. Any other game releasing around October-November is gonna get shredded, September's no slouch either with a huge PS4 exclusive in Spidey and Fifa with it's sparkly new Champions League lisence.

[HandSoap2811]

 

 

 

For those who didn't listen to the conference call, it wasn't that interesting, this is what I gathered

 

Karl reaffirmed the 26 oct street date, said Rockstar will reveal more info in the coming months.

V sold (shipped?) 95 million copies

More GTAO dlc coming

2k's 'highly anticipated title' (borderlands 3?) is moved to next fiscal year

No games will be unveiled at E3, T2 is just there for business reasons

 

When is their next fiscal year, March 2019? Does this mean it was delayed?

 

 

April 2019. And yes, he did say something about it needing more polish. Could also be because they want RDR2 to have more room, I imagine.

 

I think it was always supposed to release in 2019?

[Spitta_Vercetti]

 

For those who didn't listen to the conference call, it wasn't that interesting, this is what I gathered

 

Karl reaffirmed the 26 oct street date, said Rockstar will reveal more info in the coming months.

V sold (shipped?) 95 million copies

More GTAO dlc coming

2k's 'highly anticipated title' (borderlands 3?) is moved to next fiscal year

No games will be unveiled at E3, T2 is just there for business reasons

in the coming months? sh*t they said in the coming weeks and that took months! Imagine how long in the coming months will be after we get our June info! It cant be too long...right guys? thats within the more info in the coming months...Feature trailers such as gameplay & Online later in the summer as well...

[Knightfury]

I wonder why rockstar don't like to show their games at e3 , they are best and probably the cheapest way of creating hype for a game and garner attention , if they won't be at e3 this year in any way (which they certainly won't be) , i don't see them going there ever , certainly not for years

Edited May 16, 2018 by Knightfury29

[Hugoat]

No matter how RDR2 it is, it would not get the attention it needs in the middle of so many ads.

* Unless a gameplay is revealed

Edited May 16, 2018 by Hugoat

[Jason]

For one, E3 is absolute chaos. You've got major game announcements what feels like every hour, all competing for your attention. Rockstar traditionally picks a day and date to reveal their stuff when they're confident it's gonna be all eyes on them and only them, they don't typically like to share their time in the spotlight with anybody else, especially for their bigger games.

 

Secondly, they really don't need E3. Rockstar are like Blizzard and Valve, they have an absolutely gigantic fanbase who follow them religiously and because of that they have an insane amount of power when it comes to the number one form of marketing in the biz - word of mouth. They are the few western developers who can change an avatar on a social media page and have the entire internet go crazy. If they can do that with a simple avatar change then what's the point of getting involved in the noise that is E3 when they can make just as big a splash if not bigger by picking a random day in early May when no one expects it?

[pjw]

Unrelated to the current conversation, but I had a concern I wanted to share.

 

Maybe Im mistaken, but I dont think Ive seen any footage of Arthur with a lasso hung from his bag like John had in RDR. The only footage of a lasso Ive seen is of it being used on horses. I hope this isnt a sign that the lasso will be exclusive to horse breaking mini games or something.

Edited May 17, 2018 by pjw

[Auditore]

Unrelated to the current conversation, but I had a concern I wanted to share.

 

Maybe Im mistaken, but I dont think Ive seen any footage of Arthur with a lasso hung from his bag like John had in RDR. The only footage of a lasso Ive seen is of it being used on horses. I hope this isnt a sign that the lasso will be exclusive to horse breaking mini games or something.

 

In some pictures Arthur has a rifle holster on his back and in others he doesn't have it.I think you can carry the lasso if you want or leave it on the horse just like the rifle holster

 

 

Edited May 17, 2018 by Auditore

[Hugoat]

I think the fight will also be similar to what we saw in BULLY. We will probably be able to hold, knock and knock down the enemy.

* There are scenes like this in the trailers

[PapaFuerte]

 

Unrelated to the current conversation, but I had a concern I wanted to share.

 

Maybe Im mistaken, but I dont think Ive seen any footage of Arthur with a lasso hung from his bag like John had in RDR. The only footage of a lasso Ive seen is of it being used on horses. I hope this isnt a sign that the lasso will be exclusive to horse breaking mini games or something.

In some pictures Arthur has a rifle holster on his back and in others he doesn't have it.I think you can carry the lasso if you want or leave it on the horse just like the rifle holster

 

 

It might be a customization thing. You can choose what you wear and have on your person. Just like your guns.

[Jason]

I get the feeling our horse will be holding a lot of our equipment, rifles confirmed but also stuff like the lasso. We're gonna have to pick and choose what we want to be carrying with us at any time I think.

[Auditore]

I get the feeling our horse will be holding a lot of our equipment, rifles confirmed but also stuff like the lasso. We're gonna have to pick and choose what we want to be carrying with us at any time I think.

 

The horse is the armory,that's why Rockstar is focusing so much on the horse A.I,that thing will save you in a firefight,every player will want maximum bond with the horse otherwise the it will run away while you're left with a pistol lol

Edited May 17, 2018 by Auditore

[luke73tnt]

Nevermind, I'll just do it now lol.

 

-long post incoming-

 

Ok, well the first bit of info is regarding the returning firearm - the item on the right is what I believe to be the 'semi-automatic pistol'(C93 Borchardt) from RDR1.

 

 

 

 

Now the second thing, look at the badge on Edgar Ross is wearing.

 

 

 

Here are all the in-universe lawman badges that we know of:

 

 

 

Notice that it doesn't match a single one. Now we know that the Blackwater police force has been founded by 1899, as seen in Trailer 3, and presumably(following real history) the Bureau of Investigation has not. Now take a look at the actual Pinkerton Badges:

 

 

 

I'd say that Edgar's badge looks close enough to be a slightly fictionalized version of one of these, but obviously this is just my observation(I guess it's not really 'solid' evidence lol). Now regarding the Pinkerton group, I still believe there's a chance they might be the 'Cornwall' Detective Agency in RDR2. The Pinkerton's were often hired to guard trains, so that for me is one of the best possible explanations for the armored rail-cars with gun slots. The Cornwall advertisement on the streetcar during the robbery scene in Trailer 3 also adds credence to this, as the Pinkerton Agency would often put ads in newspapers and such.

 

The Cornwall crest/emblem:

 

 

 

Now why would an industrial company(kerosene and tar) have a coat of arms, as well as private armored rail-cars? To me, this all points to a military/security force, such as the Pinkerton Detective Agency.

 

Again, this is just my theory, I could very well be wrong. Thoughts?

where did you get the picture of the legendary awards nevermind lol Edited May 17, 2018 by luke73tnt