Red Dead Redemption 2: Discussion & Speculation (Part 2)

[Synthetic_Soul]

I think it all comes down to the fact the game was forced to be announced way too early and they knew it. I mean that's all it can come down to really, they weren't ready to show off the game.and probably wouldn't have until early 2017 when the first date would've been spring 2018 and then delayed until fall. But T2 wanting to pad their stocks forced an early announcement with vague hopes that the game would finish in time. GTAv was announced in 2011 and didn't get released until fall 2013 and their hardcore marketing didn't start until April. RDR2 was announced fall 2016 and won't release until fall 2018. So I figure were right on track, minus a GI cover which I hope to be coming soon. But hey not all of the marketing has to be the same.

 

Also on a side note: anyone remember back in the day when we were all like "just give us a release date! We don't care if we get any info after that we just want a date!" Funny how times change eh?

[YouAreWrong]

''Just give us a release date'' was more like

''Just give us a reasonable release date with approximatevly 4-5 monthss to wait from the announcement of the date''

 

But instead we got:

 

''Hey guys so RDR 2 now comes 9 months from now on lol here are some screens that you won't give a f*ck about K BYE''

[Starboy]

I agree with the whole''GTA lost i's value by being mentioned/shoehorned so much'' thing,and unfortunately that's because of the Online bullsh*t.

 

 

And something else,I am trully thinking if they just encounter problems with RDR 2.Like for real,all we have seen since the reveal(2016) are just some mediocre trailers which consist of obvious cut-scenes(typical Rockstars lol) and some bullshots that do not represent how the game will look anyways.

 

 

All I'm saying is,if everything was good in the development of the game(given there are always troubles with making a game,but when you're making it for around 5-6 years,you should be able to show something to the fans near the end of the cycle),they could have shown and said JUST enough to make people hyped for the game without ruining much of the mystery around the whole thing(like they did with V).

 

RDR is not GTA.It's not so popular.I think they WANT to market the game,but because of problems and stuff.they simply CAN'T say or show anything fearing that the details will either dissapoint the fans,or those details just won't make it to the game in the end.

 

 

Fight me all you want,but we either get news very soon,or they probably confirm another delay.I just don't see the point in their marketing,and with many other games coming out that people are psyched about,RDR 2 is slowly fading away from everyone's list.At this point they HAVE to see that no one is talking about the game very much(aside from some forums and twitter people,which is like,a very low number) and realise the fact that there's more people fearing what RDR2 might become INSTEAD of actually being positive and waiting for the game.And it all Rockstar's fault,no doubt.

This is exactly what I've been trying to explain for quite a while now.

[SuperKing573]

I have a feeling April 1st will be dead silent because no one will step up and say its just a big April Fools joke and silently sweep it under the rug like it never happened.

[Spitta_Vercetti]

I think it all comes down to the fact the game was forced to be announced way too early and they knew it. I mean that's all it can come down to really, they weren't ready to show off the game.and probably wouldn't have until early 2017 when the first date would've been spring 2018 and then delayed until fall. But T2 wanting to pad their stocks forced an early announcement with vague hopes that the game would finish in time. GTAv was announced in 2011 and didn't get released until fall 2013 and their hardcore marketing didn't start until April. RDR2 was announced fall 2016 and won't release until fall 2018. So I figure were right on track, minus a GI cover which I hope to be coming soon. But hey not all of the marketing has to be the same.

 

Also on a side note: anyone remember back in the day when we were all like "just give us a release date! We don't care if we get any info after that we just want a date!" Funny how times change eh?

Im good with the release date......

I agree with the whole''GTA lost i's value by being mentioned/shoehorned so much'' thing,and unfortunately that's because of the Online bullsh*t.

 

 

And something else,I am trully thinking if they just encounter problems with RDR 2.Like for real,all we have seen since the reveal(2016) are just some mediocre trailers which consist of obvious cut-scenes(typical Rockstars lol) and some bullshots that do not represent how the game will look anyways.

 

 

All I'm saying is,if everything was good in the development of the game(given there are always troubles with making a game,but when you're making it for around 5-6 years,you should be able to show something to the fans near the end of the cycle),they could have shown and said JUST enough to make people hyped for the game without ruining much of the mystery around the whole thing(like they did with V).

 

RDR is not GTA.It's not so popular.I think they WANT to market the game,but because of problems and stuff.they simply CAN'T say or show anything fearing that the details will either dissapoint the fans,or those details just won't make it to the game in the end.

 

 

Fight me all you want,but we either get news very soon,or they probably confirm another delay.I just don't see the point in their marketing,and with many other games coming out that people are psyched about,RDR 2 is slowly fading away from everyone's list.At this point they HAVE to see that no one is talking about the game very much(aside from some forums and twitter people,which is like,a very low number) and realise the fact that there's more people fearing what RDR2 might become INSTEAD of actually being positive and waiting for the game.And it all Rockstar's fault,no doubt.

You just got it all figured out huh????

[YouAreWrong]

That's the theory I have in my head.

[Jason]

Fight me all you want,but we either get news very soon,or they probably confirm another delay.I just don't see the point in their marketing,and with many other games coming out that people are psyched about,RDR 2 is slowly fading away from everyone's list.At this point they HAVE to see that no one is talking about the game very much(aside from some forums and twitter people,which is like,a very low number) and realise the fact that there's more people fearing what RDR2 might become INSTEAD of actually being positive and waiting for the game.And it all Rockstar's fault,no doubt.

 

You're seriously over estimating just how much people talk about upcoming games lol. Far Cry 5 has just had a big and successful launch, smashing Ubi's concurrent players record on Steam, selling millions of copies but a week before launch? Almost no discussion at all. The vast, vast majority of discussion about a game comes post-launch, pre-launch communities are the niche. You go on any major gaming forum and ask them what the biggest game of the year is going to be and I'd wager that most of them will reply with the same answer - RDR2.

 

Rockstar are notoriously tight lipped when it comes to their games. This is not how most publishers/developers operate but it is how Rockstar operate and it has been for some time. They give very little to nothing away until the last 5-6 months or so till launch which is when they start to open up, with the last 1-2 months being something of a scorched Earth approach to marketing when they have promo art all over the world both physical and digital, press previews and enough trailers and TV spots to make even Marvel blink. It's how they work, it's happening with RDR2 and if their track record is anything to go by it has absolutely no connection with the quality of the game, it's just Rockstar being Rockstar.

[Spitta_Vercetti]

That's the theory I have in my head.

I respect that

[YouAreWrong]

That's the case with GTA games no?GTA is a franchise that does not need marketing on it's own.

 

RDR2 does.

 

RDR had tons of trailers and coverage.

 

Even V had more info 6 months before release than RDR 2 does.

 

 

Hell there's more rumors about Cyberpunk than there is about RDR2.

[Neudd]

Wish they would've just said in the coming months instead of weeks... that way at least we wouldn't go by each week thinking this would be the one. That or just release the info!

 

Imagine if the next info released was just the official release of the already leaked screenshots lol.

[BilalKurd]

Wish they would've just said in the coming months instead of weeks... that way at least we wouldn't go by each week thinking this would be the one. That or just release the info!

 

Imagine if the next info released was just the official release of the already leaked screenshots lol.

I Hope not

[Spitta_Vercetti]

Wish they would've just said in the coming months instead of weeks... that way at least we wouldn't go by each week thinking this would be the one. That or just release the info!

 

Imagine if the next info released was just the official release of the already leaked screenshots lol.

technically coming weeks can be at least a month otherwise they would have just said in a few weeks....there is a slight difference.....

[Jason]

That's the case with GTA games no?GTA is a franchise that does not need marketing on it's own.

 

RDR2 does.

 

RDR had tons of trailers and coverage.

 

Even V had more info 6 months before release than RDR 2 does.

 

 

Hell there's more rumors about Cyberpunk than there is about RDR2.

 

New IP is always marketed a bit differently - I know RDR wasn't technically new IP but for all intents and purposes it was. But it's now a renowned franchise with Redemption 1 considered one of the best games ever. That gives them the ability to do what they do with GTA which is give nothing away as they can rely on the previous games reputation as well as the studios.

 

"RDR is not GTA" gets said so much on this forum and while RDR isn't GTA, nothing is GTA. Sales wise it has absolutely no equal. But RDR2 isn't gonna be some slouch, or to put it another way, the game is expected to sell 15m+ copies at launch, assuming a 50/50 split on the two platforms that would make it the best selling Xbox One game and the 3rd (100k behind 2nd place Horizon) best selling PS4 game according to public data (Activision withhold CoD sale numbers these days). So while RDR isn't GTA, you could still count on one hand the amount of franchises that are equal to RDR in that sense.

[Starboy]

That's the case with GTA games no?GTA is a franchise that does not need marketing on it's own.

 

RDR2 does.

 

RDR had tons of trailers and coverage.

 

Even V had more info 6 months before release than RDR 2 does.

 

 

Hell there's more rumors about Cyberpunk than there is about RDR2.

Preach brother. This is what people fail to understand.

[Synthetic_Soul]

I dunno call me crazy but as much as I want info, I don't. I miss the days when you were pretty much forced to play a game blind.

 

That rarely happens anymore in the Internet age.

 

But there's just something special about playing a game you've been really hype for but at the same time know nothing about. Except maybe a general storyline.

 

Especially when it's a rockstar game, and the first time you boot it you just stare in awe like "i can't believe I'm actually playing it."

 

Some can say r* games have bland gameplay full of "go here shoot guys a,b and c. go back and repeat" and I'd pretty much agree. But at the same time there is just some sort of magic in their games I can't quite put my finger on, a way you feel when playing them whether it's the first time or the 333rd. That no other company has yet to capture.

 

Then again maybe I'm just a fan boy, I don't know and quite frankly my dear, I don't give a damn. Call me what you want.

[Spitta_Vercetti]

 

That's the case with GTA games no?GTA is a franchise that does not need marketing on it's own.

 

RDR2 does.

 

RDR had tons of trailers and coverage.

 

Even V had more info 6 months before release than RDR 2 does.

 

 

Hell there's more rumors about Cyberpunk than there is about RDR2.

New IP is always marketed a bit differently - I know RDR wasn't technically new IP but for all intents and purposes it was. But it's now a renowned franchise with Redemption 1 considered one of the best games ever. That gives them the ability to do what they do with GTA which is give nothing away as they can rely on the previous games reputation as well as the studios.

 

"RDR is not GTA" gets said so much on this forum and while RDR isn't GTA, nothing is GTA. Sales wise it has absolutely no equal. But RDR2 isn't gonna be some slouch, or to put it another way, the game is expected to sell 15m+ copies at launch, assuming a 50/50 split on the two platforms that would make it the best selling Xbox One game and the 3rd (100k behind 2nd place Horizon) best selling PS4 game according to public data (Activision withhold CoD sale numbers these days). So while RDR isn't GTA, you could still count on one hand the amount of franchises that are equal to RDR in that sense.

Thank You

[Jason]

Developers giving out info 12+ months before a game launches isn't some amazing thing without drawbacks either, by the way. It means you're seeing gameplay and assets that are potentially a year+ old and could be completely different come launch. It's also part of the reason bullshots are a thing as developers aim high with visuals but cutback when they start to optimise closer to launch. It's nice to get some info, sure, but it's not a win-win situation. A lot of developers have fallen victim to showing or announcing stuff too early, Cyberpunk being one of them.

[Starboy]

On a side note, I noticed that Game Informer literally tweeted that they were previewing GTA V a MONTH earlier than the actual date the cover reveal was announced. Andy McNamara tweeted that on October 11th and the GI Cover was announced on November 8th. Unless R* is just planning to surprise us with a GI Cover without any actual tease then I'm not sure if I should get my hopes up for this coming week's reveal.

[Synthetic_Soul]

 

That's the case with GTA games no?GTA is a franchise that does not need marketing on it's own.

 

RDR2 does.

 

RDR had tons of trailers and coverage.

 

Even V had more info 6 months before release than RDR 2 does.

 

 

Hell there's more rumors about Cyberpunk than there is about RDR2.

Preach brother. This is what people fail to understand.At the same time maybe R* is thinking with an over bloated ego that with the overwhelming success of GTAV (best selling game of all time) they don't have to do much marketing for any game anymore,

Because "we're the best developer ever! I mean look we have a game that's five years old that's selling like hoecakes still. whatever we put out is sure to be a success people are fiends for that R* crack"

 

Know what I mean? Maybe their hoping they can piggy back off the success of GTAV a bit.

 

Not saying it's the smart choice but they do have quite the f*ckin ego lately.

Edited March 30, 2018 by Synthetic_Soul

[YouAreWrong]

I agree,but partially.

 

Even if RDR2 is going to sell really good(REALLY GOOD),it still needs marketing.That's just how things work nowadays,and if people still market games that they know will sell good either way,than it means that the marketing is working and there is a purpose to it.

But the thing is not about the idea if RDR2 needs a lot of marketing or not,the thing is WHY is there pretty much no marketing.

 

IMHO,I don't think it's because R* doesn't want to market it,it's because they are unsure and are facing problems.

[damienrayemusic]

 

Fight me all you want,but we either get news very soon,or they probably confirm another delay.I just don't see the point in their marketing,and with many other games coming out that people are psyched about,RDR 2 is slowly fading away from everyone's list.At this point they HAVE to see that no one is talking about the game very much(aside from some forums and twitter people,which is like,a very low number) and realise the fact that there's more people fearing what RDR2 might become INSTEAD of actually being positive and waiting for the game.And it all Rockstar's fault,no doubt.

You're seriously over estimating just how much people talk about upcoming games lol. Far Cry 5 has just had a big and successful launch, smashing Ubi's concurrent players record on Steam, selling millions of copies but a week before launch? Almost no discussion at all. The vast, vast majority of discussion about a game comes post-launch, pre-launch communities are the niche. You go on any major gaming forum and ask them what the biggest game of the year is going to be and I'd wager that most of them will reply with the same answer - RDR2.

 

Rockstar are notoriously tight lipped when it comes to their games. This is not how most publishers/developers operate but it is how Rockstar operate and it has been for some time. They give very little to nothing away until the last 5-6 months or so till launch which is when they start to open up, with the last 1-2 months being something of a scorched Earth approach to marketing when they have promo art all over the world both physical and digital, press previews and enough trailers and TV spots to make even Marvel blink. It's how they work, it's happening with RDR2 and if their track record is anything to go by it has absolutely no connection with the quality of the game, it's just Rockstar being Rockstar.

now this guy has got rockstar down to a freakin T THIS is what i was saying. Its just rockstar being rockstar. People talk about delays AGAIN just cause news doesnt come when they think it should. The reality is rockstar have it all planned out . Not only that but for it all to start 6-5 months away. Aka APRIL OR MAY Edited March 30, 2018 by damienrayemusic

[YouAreWrong]

I don't think Rockstar have planned it all.

 

If they actually PLANNED it,they would probably announce the game the day they announced the delay to fall 2018.

 

 

They announce games really early because of TT it seems(that's what I've heard at least),which I think is a pretty dick move to do.

[Synthetic_Soul]

I agree,but partially.

 

Even if RDR2 is going to sell really good(REALLY GOOD),it still needs marketing.That's just how things work nowadays,and if people still market games that they know will sell good either way,than it means that the marketing is working and there is a purpose to it.

But the thing is not about the idea if RDR2 needs a lot of marketing or not,the thing is WHY is there pretty much no marketing.

 

IMHO,I don't think it's because R* doesn't want to market it,it's because they are unsure and are facing problems.

I agree with you. Like I said it's not the smart choice and not even the choice I would make but they are quite full of themselves lately. Every game needs marketing. It's just how much marketing do THEY think it needs to sell well. But I honestly don't think the game is in that much trouble, I could be wrong but I think if they were facing major problems still we wouldn't have a date...if we get through April and break their 6 month pattern than I think it's safe to say we are fooked.

[damienrayemusic]

Datboi youre right^ but i only was referring to the marketing campaign that starts 5-6 months out everytime . Thats what they have planned out we just dont know it. People worry too much and come to conclusions they fear in their head. I know because i deal with anxiety on a daily and NOT because of RDR2. This is standard procedure for R*

Edited March 30, 2018 by damienrayemusic

[YouAreWrong]

There's never such a thing as ''people worry too much'' when it comes to R*.We always worry hehe.

 

 

But then again,it's not GTA,and it's not wildly known.And besides that,RDR 2,thanks to the Online part of V and to the comments made by some Take-Two COO about willing to introduce MXT in all of the future games,RDR2 has probably one of the worst reputations on the internet.

[Jason]

I agree,but partially.

 

Even if RDR2 is going to sell really good(REALLY GOOD),it still needs marketing.That's just how things work nowadays,and if people still market games that they know will sell good either way,than it means that the marketing is working and there is a purpose to it.

 

But the thing is not about the idea if RDR2 needs a lot of marketing or not,the thing is WHY is there pretty much no marketing.

 

IMHO,I don't think it's because R* doesn't want to market it,it's because they are unsure and are facing problems.

 

Video games are typically marketed over a 5-6 month spell, the run in to launch. October is 7 months away. We did have more info about GTA V at this point but GTA's original info blowout came before the final delay, which is something Rockstar are probably trying to avoid doing, blowing their load too early and having to wait before the next info drop. We'd have reason to worry if we got to 3-4 months before their launch window with nothing which is what happened with the last two delays.

[damienrayemusic]

Everyone is making good points here. I worry myself about R* too ita just how it is but i dont jump to major conclusions like "R* delayed the game two months ago, still no news hmmm, delayed again if it doesnt happen this tuesday! This thursday!" Etc. Honestly logicially speaking here other than GI cover order time this is the same as gta v. I wasnt on the forums in 2013 but id scout the fb and twitter comments and the same thing happened for gta !!

 

After the game got ita official release date, people expected news the month after and even the next month (march) and were left disappointed. People thought something was wrong with R* from what THEY told themselves was the issue, and then in april just how it was planned, the gta v campaign started. Seemingly out of no where. This. Is. Rockstar. Plain and simple, whether anyone wants to acknowledge it or not, this is how our favorite game dev decides to do things. Very tight lipped and doesnt communicate until its the "time"

Edited March 30, 2018 by damienrayemusic

[YouAreWrong]

This probably sounds like a f*cking joke,but I honestly believe April to be the actual latest month when we can expect news.

 

If not,then the chances of another delay happening skyrocket and I absolutely won't give a sh*t about this game anymore.(not like R* cares,but they do lose a customer nontheless).

[Synthetic_Soul]

Another thing to keep in mind, I think is the fact that R* plans for how their game "survives" has changed drastically with V.

 

What I mean is beforehand with games like GTAIV And RDR, they were basically, "market them as much as we can to sell as many copies as quickly as possible, being a SP game mostly back in those days you only had so much time to profit off your game before it became "old news" essentially. Sure they're still popular today but not in the same way GTAV is 5 years later and probably not the way RDR2 will be five years from now.

 

Now they have a market where the initial release window is no longer the chief money maker. With GTAO and sure to be RDRO, they have games that will keep their relevance and sell well into the future, in certain cases even more so than at launch. So technically it would make much more sense to push more of your marketing into post launch, with new contents and such, especially since by this point people have played the game so you don't have to worry about what you "show off".

 

Not saying that pre launch advertisement is not important because it is, but when you have a game that will last God knows how many years into the future why take the time to push it before launch, when you know that most of your sales to "recurrent players" will come after the game launches and the Internet has had a chance to do all the marketing for you

[damienrayemusic]

Yes^ another positive perspective change, imagine if R* literally reads the forums and just sees all this talk about RDR2 and theyre like hmmm... why spend millions on marketing when we can put more and more millions into the game development? People are already spreading our game and all we need to do is change our logo to red to make everyone go nuts! (That was awesome i will never forget that) and (Which i bet they are doing even more millions because this is a next gen title)