Cost-effectiveness of “stealing” missions?

[jezebelletooner]

(I think, but am not sure, that most of the below applies to low-populated or solo public lobbies).  Also, I happen to play these solo.

 

Many stealing missions for supplies end up eating up a lot of expensive ammo, body armor, etc, as well as miscellaneous things like Lester removing wanted levels and Merryweather backup choppers.

 

some of the supply stealing missions are insane;  getting ambushed at pickup of supplies AND during transport by NPC thugs, requiring multiple proximity mines, of course also $700 body armour (which NPC thugs and police eliminate with one hit).

 

5000 bucks in mines 2500 in armor 1000 in other ammo, 5000 for Merryweather backup, 600 lose cops, 3000-15000 for homing missiles.

 

So potentially 25k to steal supplies... maybe just buying them at the new bunker discount (I’m mostly talking about bunker resupply in this post but also purchased special cargo) would be better.

 

on the note of purchased special cargo for warehouses, 2k seems to be worth 10k in cargo (5x return) while 18k turns into 36k (2x return... and takes more time).

 

I’m suspicious of all this and wonder if it actually puts one in the green.

 

(I’m aware the game does have legit high-cash things, such as Paige’s Jobs, and that it is possible to stay making a profit day in day out, but like I said I’m wondering if the warehouse thing is waste of time).

[flybar]

NPC who chasing your supply are not much threat, vans are bulletproof from the back and for pickup truck just keep open snack menu and use snacks when you're getting shot too much. Don't buy armor. Get yourself an armed helicopter or an armored car like Kuruma or Speedo Custom, so you can safely shot all the NPCs guarding supply. Try to make headshots to save ammo. Hire some guy who has helicopters or armored vehicles, I noticed that often high level folks have nothing to do and will be glad to run a few supply missions with you. So when you have right tools and know how to get supplies efficiently a supply run costs you form 0 to 1K when you rush to much and die in process : ) As per buying supplies -  in my opinion it makes sense when you can earn more money running missions or I/E. Especially when some Paige or Martin missions pay x2. For 30-40 min required to resupply bunker alone you can make 100K doing x2 missions.

[jazzbone]

Overall i believe most purchase supplies.That is because for them it is a more profitable use of their time.

For example it takes 5 steal missions to fill the bunker supply bar. Or 75K to fill the supply bar.

If you can earn 75K faster than doing the steal missions then purchasing is the obvious choice.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Wasted4334]

On 9/30/2018 at 9:28 PM, jazzbone said:

Overall i believe most purchase supplies.That is because for them it is a more profitable use of their time.

For example it takes 5 steal missions to fill the bunker supply bar. Or 75K to fill the supply bar.

If you can earn 75K faster than doing the steal missions then purchasing is the obvious choice.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Use a nightclub to run your businesses.

 

[Barnie Spacullie]

This is a debate i have been going through for a long time. As some one who does not consider them self  a millionaire but a high hundred thousandaire lol, i typically do not buy supply unless i have several different functioning businesses lined up where i know i have money lined up. So for an example i own a cocaine, Counterfeit, bunker, warehouse ect. 

If i am only about 300,000 dollars in, i am not going to put all of my eggs in one basket and expect not to feel miserable if my entire funds got griefed in a sale because i only focused on cocaine. I will often do runs for each of my businesses, then i will invest in some resupplies for when i know i got like 4 other money opps i could be doing. But i see a lot of people buying supply when the truth is sometimes runs are cheap and easy as hell. Its funny too every time i debate paying, and decide not to, i alwasy laugh because the ressuply mission was so easy i would be paying money to save less time then a sightseer would take. Also, my golden advice is this. 

MAKE FRIENDS. No, not real friends. I mean just text your entire session "friendly" 

Or "need work?" And boom start hiring people. Get a couple "friendly deprived" sqeeaker 9 year olds to help you hold your supply and watch how having 4 randoms work for u for 5 minutes will fill up your business in moments. I am literally in awe to how well this works. Sometimes it means being a little fake, but if u do not want to return any favors you can always just leave. I mean they are 9 year olds lol.

[zpappas]

3 hours ago, Barnie Spacullie said:

This is a debate i have been going through for a long time. As some one who does not consider them self  a millionaire but a high hundred thousandaire lol, i typically do not buy supply unless i have several different functioning businesses lined up where i know i have money lined up. So for an example i own a cocaine, Counterfeit, bunker, warehouse ect. 

If i am only about 300,000 dollars in, i am not going to put all of my eggs in one basket and expect not to feel miserable if my entire funds got griefed in a sale because i only focused on cocaine. I will often do runs for each of my businesses, then i will invest in some resupplies for when i know i got like 4 other money opps i could be doing. But i see a lot of people buying supply when the truth is sometimes runs are cheap and easy as hell. Its funny too every time i debate paying, and decide not to, i alwasy laugh because the ressuply mission was so easy i would be paying money to save less time then a sightseer would take. Also, my golden advice is this. 

MAKE FRIENDS. No, not real friends. I mean just text your entire session "friendly" 

Or "need work?" And boom start hiring people. Get a couple "friendly deprived" sqeeaker 9 year olds to help you hold your supply and watch how having 4 randoms work for u for 5 minutes will fill up your business in moments. I am literally in awe to how well this works. Sometimes it means being a little fake, but if u do not want to return any favors you can always just leave. I mean they are 9 year olds lol.

Yes and no.  I use to do this, but within the past 6 months changed to buying supplies only.  Run your most profitable businesses (Coke, meth, bunker, etc), buy the supplies when completely empty, and it usually results in a solo sale.  When selling, go in a solo lobby (by testing NAT type), or keep jumping lobbies until you find a calm one with low levels or where others are friendly, then sell; no need to put all your eggs in one basket and try to fill your business completely because you wont always find someone friendly or someone will turn on you and blow your sh*t up. If that happens, dashboard and quit the game, or pull your power cord.  Yes, I get it that you don't make a bunch on each sale (112k for coke - 75k supplies = 37K profit) (210k for bunker - 75k supplies = 135k profit), but after a while it adds up.  I was barely around a million before After Hours dropped, then I started grinding like this and have been extremely profitable (sitting on 21 mil now and still spend quite a bit).  Go AFK throughout the day, and sell when your products are ready.  Take advantage of the 2x $$ and RP events when they have them, and find yourself a friendly grinding crew (I am in FPGL and they are great).

[Barnie Spacullie]

On 12/7/2018 at 6:18 AM, zpappas said:

Yes and no.  I use to do this, but within the past 6 months changed to buying supplies only.  Run your most profitable businesses (Coke, meth, bunker, etc), buy the supplies when completely empty, and it usually results in a solo sale.  When selling, go in a solo lobby (by testing NAT type), or keep jumping lobbies until you find a calm one with low levels or where others are friendly, then sell; no need to put all your eggs in one basket and try to fill your business completely because you wont always find someone friendly or someone will turn on you and blow your sh*t up. If that happens, dashboard and quit the game, or pull your power cord.  Yes, I get it that you don't make a bunch on each sale (112k for coke - 75k supplies = 37K profit) (210k for bunker - 75k supplies = 135k profit), but after a while it adds up.  I was barely around a million before After Hours dropped, then I started grinding like this and have been extremely profitable (sitting on 21 mil now and still spend quite a bit).  Go AFK throughout the day, and sell when your products are ready.  Take advantage of the 2x $$ and RP events when they have them, and find yourself a friendly grinding crew (I am in FPGL and they are great).

Very good points however the part where u pointed out the net profit is the deal breaker for me. Biting my nails on a sale for 37k profit, i dont think so. However for the bunker this is def an eye opener. 

[zpappas]

On 12/8/2018 at 10:04 AM, Barnie Spacullie said:

Very good points however the part where u pointed out the net profit is the deal breaker for me. Biting my nails on a sale for 37k profit, i dont think so. However for the bunker this is def an eye opener. 

Then just create a solo lobby (by testing your NAT type) and you wont have to worry about your cargo being blown up.  I know what you are saying about the 37k, but its side money between my NC, Bunker, and anything else I do.  Without much money and being a lower level, it makes sense to steal the supplies, but after a while it is hard to keep the supply level up between multiple businesses, and feels too grindy; so I stopped doing it, and replaced it with IE, client jobs, CEO jobs, etc.

[staticguy]

Just getting back to GTAO after one year pause  What advices can you give me? Should I go for NC or Bunker?

[Guest]

If you're solo buy supplies but if you're with help steal supplies (more friends = more supplies per trip).

 

[Sentinel Driver]

Merryweather support choppers?

you're wasting your money

just buy your supplies, stealing them takes too much time

[Spectre "2K"]

On 12/10/2018 at 9:51 AM, staticguy said:

Just getting back to GTAO after one year pause  What advices can you give me? Should I go for NC or Bunker?

get a bunker and fully upgrade it, avoid the nightclub entirely unless you plan on farming client jobs with the terrorbyte or you have every business in the game and just want a little extra. Buy supplies and either let it fill all the way and sell or sell after each supply bar runs out and you'll make your money back in no time

[staticguy]

Thanks for the heads up!

I've discovered that I already had the bunker fully upgraded manufacturing  So, went for the NC with 2 storage floors. Did some google research, and using the afk method is by far the best way of earning good amounts of $$!

Have technicians supplying coke, meth, guns, crates and weed, and it's a really easy sell twice per day!

 

As for supplying the businesses separately, I agree that buying supplies is the best... I realized that after doing one supply mission, the next supply can be bought for 60k instead of 75.

Edited December 13, 2018 by staticguy
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[Tomtomsengermany]

Buying supplies isnt the best, at least not for the Bunker.

 

Its possible to fill up the Bunker in less than 15 minutes with knowing the missions and using the opressor mk2.

 

Show me a mission where you can earn 75k when its not on double.  I/e maybe nur you can include it pretty well in your loop. 

 

Steal a car

Deliver a car

3-4 supply missions ( + headhunter when you are really quick)

Steal a car 

Deliver a car 

 

 

 

A lot of people are forgetting ( or didnt know) that a supply mission vehicle ( tank, technical, MTW and so on) will fill your supplies by two bars and with luck you just need 3 runs to fill up your bunker.

 

The only mission you should avoid is the railgun mission.  Youll need 8-10 minutes to complete it and its only worth one bar of supplies 

 

 

 

[EkaSwede]

Buying supplies is indeed the better option more often than not. You're not always going to be lucky and get at least 2 vehicle supplies that spawn relatively close enough to your bunker. In the chance of getting a lot of bad, long distance 1 bar supply missions (Palota Bay Yacht, Railguns, Altruist camps, Mineshaft) or getting those faraway Tank missions coupled with annoying APC missions that can go awry quickly since the NPCs can use the secondary weapons now you end up wasting more than just 15 minutes.

 

Chances of short supply mission are highest if you have the central bunkers, but for those with the Chumash bunker (close to city, which is nice) and (why?) Poletto Bye Bunker stealing solo isn't ass efficient.

 

Bunkers also require more than 2 people to get two vehicle supplies while MC Businesses can spawn two vehicles with just two players. So more often than not buying supplies end up being more efficient, frees up time to do other stuff such as I/E, Client Jobs, Sell a car at the LSC and some VIP works.

 

Stealing supplies also SUSPENDS the production while the mission is active, meaning that during the time you are out there stealing it, your workers are not producing.

 

But hey, that's just my $0.02

Edited January 18, 2019 by EkaSwede

[kcole4001]

The Merryweather convoy mission also tends to take a while, since they're such bucketheads when it comes to pathfinding, and driving Insurgents which take a bunch of missiles to kill.

My luck getting good supply jobs is terrible, and I find it more effective to buy supplies, and then start banging out the client jobs, VIP missions, sell the odd Sentinel, run a car to Simeon for variety.

 

Sometimes it's fun to do the supply missions for a change, but I'd never do them as a full substitute for buying supplies.

 

It's really down to what each player enjoys best, though.

[flybar]

4 hours ago, kcole4001 said:

The Merryweather convoy mission also tends to take a while, since they're such bucketheads when it comes to pathfinding, and driving Insurgents which take a bunch of missiles to kill.

My luck getting good supply jobs is terrible, and I find it more effective to buy supplies, and then start banging out the client jobs, VIP missions, sell the odd Sentinel, run a car to Simeon for variety.

 

Sometimes it's fun to do the supply missions for a change, but I'd never do them as a full substitute for buying supplies.

 

It's really down to what each player enjoys best, though.

Just wanted to mention that Merryweather convoys are not hard at all. You just need to drive any vehicle with a gun to the marker and get to the gun. Shot helicopter first then shot driver of insurgent/APC and all others NPCs. After that just drive supplies home.  If you got APC as supply, then you need some explosive resistant vehicle with gun, like Barrage, Menacer or Insurgent pick-up. Another easy way is shot Merryweather helicopter with Buzzard, land nearby, take a good position, wait when Merryweather insurgents come to you, shot Merryweather guys, take their pickup, drive after your supply,shot driver and take it. I like bunker supply missions because if you don't like mission you get, you can switch sessions and get another one -  no penalties or cooldown time.   

[Tomtomsengermany]

On ‎1‎/‎19‎/‎2019 at 5:01 AM, flybar said:

Just wanted to mention that Merryweather convoys are not hard at all. You just need to drive any vehicle with a gun to the marker and get to the gun. Shot helicopter first then shot driver of insurgent/APC and all others NPCs. After that just drive supplies home.  If you got APC as supply, then you need some explosive resistant vehicle with gun, like Barrage, Menacer or Insurgent pick-up. Another easy way is shot Merryweather helicopter with Buzzard, land nearby, take a good position, wait when Merryweather insurgents come to you, shot Merryweather guys, take their pickup, drive after your supply,shot driver and take it. I like bunker supply missions because if you don't like mission you get, you can switch sessions and get another one -  no penalties or cooldown time.   

you just have to wait until Agent 14 texts you "now" for your attack. shoot the chopper down and the rest of the npcs will exit their vehicles.

 

at many missions you just can collect the supplies without giving the npcs a fight. yacht for example. land at the front of the yacht, collect the supplies and fly away. can be done in 3 minutes, same for altruists camp. even railgun-headquater is pretty simple that way. land with your mk2 at the front door for the hack, shoot the npcs at the office, collect the supplies and fly back home with your mk2. mission can be done in less than 4 minutes.

Edited January 23, 2019 by Tomtomsengermany

[Deibu]

Well ye in a MK2 everything is easy but theres allot of players that cant afford an mk2.

[flybar]

On 1/23/2019 at 10:55 AM, Deibu said:

Well ye in a MK2 everything is easy but theres allot of players that cant afford an mk2.

Use Buzzard, it's even better than Mk2 for supply missions. Buzzard is faster, easier to maneuver  and has unlimited missiles. For railgun-headquater I fly there in a helicopter, call mechanic to get armored Kuruma and drive in killing all NPCs on the way. Mostly skip this mission though if I'm alone because it's located far and gives me just one unit of supply as opposing of van, insurgent, technical pickup or tank.

Edited February 7, 2019 by flybar

[Guest]

On ‎1‎/‎18‎/‎2019 at 2:47 PM, EkaSwede said:

Buying supplies is indeed the better option more often than not. You're not always going to be lucky and get at least 2 vehicle supplies that spawn relatively close enough to your bunker. In the chance of getting a lot of bad, long distance 1 bar supply missions (Palota Bay Yacht, Railguns, Altruist camps, Mineshaft) or getting those faraway Tank missions coupled with annoying APC missions that can go awry quickly since the NPCs can use the secondary weapons now you end up wasting more than just 15 minutes.

 

Chances of short supply mission are highest if you have the central bunkers, but for those with the Chumash bunker (close to city, which is nice) and (why?) Poletto Bye Bunker stealing solo isn't ass efficient.

 

Bunkers also require more than 2 people to get two vehicle supplies while MC Businesses can spawn two vehicles with just two players. So more often than not buying supplies end up being more efficient, frees up time to do other stuff such as I/E, Client Jobs, Sell a car at the LSC and some VIP works.

 

Stealing supplies also SUSPENDS the production while the mission is active, meaning that during the time you are out there stealing it, your workers are not producing.

 

But hey, that's just my $0.02

This is a key point that those who think stealing is better are not factoring in.