Homemade Dynamite Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 Just wondering because it's been on my mind. Thought this would be the best place to ask, as it's relevant to the upcoming game possibly having one. If not, feel free to lock or move somewhere else. It seems that bringing up the idea of a female protagonist is so hot-button, and honestly some of the excuses as to why make me facepalm, like the people who argue why it can't work remind me of people who tried to argue why having a black protagonist in GTA: San Andreas "wouldn't work". Just people trying to hide their thinly veiled prejudices and justify it with made-up "facts". Let me show you a video that will display why you can make a hard-edged tough female protagonist and lose none of the value like people claim: The female V is just as tough as any male in the setting is completely believable. Seriously, just watch. But let me debunk further statements I hear: - "It wouldn't work because they'd be too innocent" Because innocence is something exclusively female? You can totally have a uninnocent female, duh. - "It wouldn't be possible to avoid controversy" When has R* backed down from a controversy? - "It would come across as SJW pandering" Of all the people R* is concerned about, SJWs wouldn't crack the Top 100. - "It wouldn't be possible to portray her right, there would be sexism everywhere" GTA is kinda deliberately political incorrect? If anything, you could totally play that angle and make it more interesting. - "It wouldn't be believable" First of all, GTA itself isn't believable. Second, it is believable to have a strong female protagonist. Strong females exist in real life and all over fiction, as do female criminals. - "I just don't want to play a female in a GTA game" Well that's too damn bad if there is one. There are people who didn't want to play a black guy either. They lived. Besides, with multiple protagonists, it's not like you would only be playing a female. - "It would never happen" Point me in a direction where it was stated a female protagonist would never happen? Because they've said the opposite, that they're fully willing to have a female protagonist and GTA V only didn't have one because masculinity was a core theme. Keep in mind, the ones I listed above are from people trying to be rational. I've seen plenty who say things as dumb as "Women don't have a place in GTA" or "If anything, there shouldn't even be females in multiplayer". It just causes such a sh*tstorm of idiots whenever someone brings this up, and I don't get why they have a resistance to it (other than prejudice of course). I actually really hope they do announce GTA Next with a female protagonist. I kinda want to see how these idiots would react, the outcry and salty tears would keep me entertained for a long time. What do you think? combustion and universetwisters 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSantader25 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 (edited) Oh sh*t. here we go again. I can already see this thread being locked from miles away. Many people don't want a female protagonist in a GTA Game and it's actually hard to describe why. It just doesn't seem right(IMO). Edited September 24, 2018 by TheSantader25 [...] and Journey_95 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrudgefromSanAndreas Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 (edited) If it's one of the multiple protags (assuming all others are male), it could maybe work. As the sole it'd be extremely unusual tho Edited September 24, 2018 by GrudgefromSanAndreas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Femme Fatale Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 Funny how a lot of dudes get a boner out of a gamer gurl, but they get their man-thongs in a bunch when someone suggests a female protagonist. :v 0cta, Flachbau and waymuu 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homemade Dynamite Posted September 24, 2018 Author Share Posted September 24, 2018 2 hours ago, TheSantader25 said: Oh sh*t. here we go again. I can already see this thread being locked from miles away. Many people don't want a female protagonist in a GTA Game and it's actually hard to describe why. It just doesn't seem right(IMO). And how is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pink Pineapple Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 I'll just quote myself from a different thread... It's just a fact that a male protagonist is a better fit for GTA. A male is much more believable committing the types of crimes in GTA games and anything a female protagonist can do in GTA can be done equally as well or better by a male protagonist. A female would add limitations and/or require more suspension of disbelief without improving the gameplay. El Penguin Bobo, TheSantader25 and Journey_95 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homemade Dynamite Posted September 24, 2018 Author Share Posted September 24, 2018 (edited) Haha, more sh*t coming out of people's ears. No seriously, did people watch the preview for Cyberpunk 2077 I posted? You could easily have a female protagonist be believable in this kind of setting. Don't give me that sh*t that it isn't "believable", it can easily be done. The fact that it's controversial among fans in this day and age speaks volumes about what kind of fanbase GTA has. Also, the game will most likely have multiple protags again. I'd bet on it. No one would take away your precious male protagonist. Edited September 24, 2018 by Homemade Dynamite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSantader25 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 (edited) It's pointless to talk about this. Loads of threads have been made regarding this topic and the two sides basically can't reach a valuable understanding without starting to argue with each other like uncivilized human beings and all those threads ultimately became locked. Edited September 24, 2018 by TheSantader25 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
god speed Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 The female V in Cyberpunk 2077 isn't controversial because the game world features elements such as body augmentations for combat. I personally wouldn't mind if one of multiple protagonists was female. But I would still prefer if Rockstar improved the writing of female side characters in general, I found none of them in GTA V particularly interesting. TheSantader25 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
universetwisters Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 I like the counters you provided to the arguments against female protagonists, reminds me a lot of the thread I made on the topic years ago. Sadly, like that thread and many between that and now, this will probably get locked becauce they all turn into VAGINA = NO STEAL CAR tier sh*tposts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pink Pineapple Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 1 hour ago, Homemade Dynamite said: Don't give me that sh*t that it isn't "believable", it can easily be done. Why do it though? What's to gain? I'll quote myself again from a different thread - A 75 year old one-legged man can also be done. That doesn't make it a good idea or worth the risk especially when there's going to be a 7 year or more gap between game releases. TheSantader25 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homemade Dynamite Posted September 24, 2018 Author Share Posted September 24, 2018 27 minutes ago, Pink Pineapple said: Why do it though? What's to gain? I'll quote myself again from a different thread - A 75 year old one-legged man can also be done. That doesn't make it a good idea or worth the risk especially when there's going to be a 7 year or more gap between game releases. Heh, wow. Using complete hyperbole to support your point. Just what I'd expect. As for why do it? Maybe because it's something different for them, it allows more possibilities for what can be done, and could even broaden the game's already large appeal? Think about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSantader25 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 (edited) Like I said from a different thread GTA covers many areas of crime from weapons trading to drugs to illegal racing to heists and so on. But it also isn't just about crime. It has a satirical side. All these can be done in a more believable way with a male protagonist. This doesn't simply mean a female can't be done. But why bother when there are better options?it would feel like a "forced" move. The best thing I expect is a lot more supporting female characters in the story. This series really lacks in that area. Seems like R* are trying to write some good female characters for RDR2. let's hope this will happen in VI as well. And at the end, If you made this thread to call everyone who disagrees with you a bullsh*tter or hypocrite, then why bother discussing things? Edited September 24, 2018 by TheSantader25 Pink Pineapple and 0cta 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pink Pineapple Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 16 minutes ago, Homemade Dynamite said: it allows more possibilities for what can be done Such as? TheSantader25 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homemade Dynamite Posted September 24, 2018 Author Share Posted September 24, 2018 Explain to me why having one female protagonist is so "unbelievable"? As said, she would be one of several with the others being male, because we all know that's what they would do. You can't seriously try to tell me that it would be "forced". No one is "forcing" R* of anything, they do what they please. If they want to put in a female protagonist, so be it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evd Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, TheSantader25 said: Oh sh*t. here we go again. I can already see this thread being locked from miles away. Many people don't want a female protagonist in a GTA Game and it's actually hard to describe why. It just doesn't seem right(IMO). lol, thats so dumb. no mysogyny, no sexism, just 'hard to describe'. "It has a satirical side. All these can be done in a more believable way with a male protagonist. " DUMBEST thing I ever have read here. you deserve a medal mate. the reason why there would be no female protagonists is one: R* is afraid to offend their insecure fanbase, who cant achieve lifegoals such as girlfriend, therefore they're against being dominated by a female in their precious game. Edited September 24, 2018 by evd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Penguin Bobo Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 For f*ck sakes, there's ANOTHER thread for this sh*t? This is going to create a sh*tstorm of a thread, I can just tell. OT: As I said on the other thread, adding a female protagonist in GTA would be like adding a male protagonist in Tomb Raider. It won't be the same game. How are prostitutes supposed to work? And strip clubs? Also, you guys have GTA 1, GTA IV MP, and GTAO. 31 minutes ago, Homemade Dynamite said: Explain to me why having one female protagonist is so "unbelievable"? As said, she would be one of several with the others being male, because we all know that's what they would do. You can't seriously try to tell me that it would be "forced". No one is "forcing" R* of anything, they do what they please. If they want to put in a female protagonist, so be it. You didn't even answer Mister Pink's question.... TheSantader25 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSantader25 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 The Idea of a female protagonist is the best thing R* can do. Let's do it R*. Lol hope everyone here is happy now cause this is pointless. Isn't it weird that when someone suddenly has a different opinion than yours they also suddenly become dumb and insecure? El Penguin Bobo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtCheap Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 Oh boy, time for this thing to get locked within seconds El Penguin Bobo and TheSantader25 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evd Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Pink Pineapple said: I'll just quote myself from a different thread... It's just a fact that a male protagonist is a better fit for GTA. A male is much more believable committing the types of crimes in GTA games and anything a female protagonist can do in GTA can be done equally as well or better by a male protagonist. A female would add limitations and/or require more suspension of disbelief without improving the gameplay. you mean piloting a jet by 20 years old Franklin is believable? nice standards of believe bro. 17 minutes ago, Penguin Bob said: OT: As I said on the other thread, adding a female protagonist in GTA would be like adding a male protagonist in Tomb Raider. they did it. its called Uncharted and it dominated the whole action-adventure genre. so you must asume that adding a female protagonists to GTA will make the game better obiously thats so invalid, becouse all you guys only concentrate on your idea of a game with a female, not potential R*'s execution. Edited September 24, 2018 by evd Flachbau 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dramamia Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 If you have a female protagonist, you can't pick up prostitutes! It'd be quite the game breaking change! In all seriousness tho, a lesbian protagonist could go to a strip club. El Penguin Bobo, Beato_dim and GrudgefromSanAndreas 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Penguin Bobo Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 6 minutes ago, evd said: they did it. its called Uncharted and it dominated the whole action-adventure genre. One of the Uncharted games had a female protagonist too if i'm not mistaken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dramamia Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 Cyberpunk 2077 is looking awesome though, great tit physics from what I've seen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evd Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/100-Bullets/Issue-1?id=163 just do yourself a favor and read this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Penguin Bobo Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, evd said: https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/100-Bullets/Issue-1?id=163 just do yourself a favor and read this. ....What does that have to do with GTA? (lol, where is there so many butts and tits in the beginning) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dramamia Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 Maybe he was referring to my comment on the boob physics? Or maybe there's an actual meaning to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Penguin Bobo Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, dramamia said: Maybe he was referring to my comment on the boob physics? Or maybe there's an actual meaning to it. Nah. I don't think there is any actual meaning to it. It was just that beginning part and it was kinda censored. lol Edited September 24, 2018 by xXPinguXx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evd Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 10 minutes ago, Penguin Bob said: ....What does that have to do with GTA? (lol, where is there so many butts and tits in the beginning) writing good character arch. something R* should learn already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Penguin Bobo Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 1 minute ago, evd said: writing good character arch. something R* should learn already. R* has already learned it. From their other games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evd Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 (edited) who of V's cast You mean? Edited September 24, 2018 by evd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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