I cannot believe how toxic Rockstar has allowed GTA Online to become!

[whywontyoulisten]

 

*cough*

[Jenkiiii]

Reading through this thread with care, there seems to be an exaggerated opinion about how bad freemode is, as it's still possible to find pockets of play with no broomsticks or magic wands. And there's still the age-old argument that GTA online is five years old and you can't expect to just walk in and dominate.

 

But there's so much negativity that needs to be addressed, and most of all, what on earth have Rockstar done to their/our game?

 

I've suggested in the past that when Rockstar reaches the lows of Saints Row IV and provide us with amazing superpowers to run faster than cars and leap over buildings, it's the end-game, but that is exactly what they have done - provided us with an insta-spawn magic bike that zips us around the map at a moment's notice - no need for a car, helicopter or plane - it's all there at your fingertips.

 

Now that Rockstar have officially ruined our game, I want to mention bullying. Imagine a box of sweets on the table, surrounded by four of five kids. As soon as the kids reach for the sweets you slap their wrists and stop them in their tracks. Eventually one of the kids will get the prize, but the other kids will have given up and bought the box of sweets rather than going through the hassle. Rockstar have been encouraging bullies to slap our wrists on an ever-increasing basis, and many of us are fed up with it.. Bulling is rampant in video gaming, and Rockstar are responsible for a large part of it.

 

[Gemma_UK]

1 hour ago, Jenkiiii said:

Reading through this thread with care, there seems to be an exaggerated opinion about how bad freemode is.

 

People are posting videos showing it isn't exaggerated.

2 hours ago, Ice_cold2016 said:

Here's my time with GTA online last night on PS4. I entered 3 different rooms. Threats to hack me, threats to trace me and harm me in real life, toxic tryhards, DDOS attacks, the highest KD ratios you have seen etc etc. Oh and tiddies!

 

 

Did you send in a report ticket? Threats to trace your i.p address and harm you in real life is serious.

[We Are Ninja]

34 minutes ago, Jenkiiii said:

Reading through this thread with care, there seems to be an exaggerated opinion about how bad freemode is, as it's still possible to find pockets of play with no broomsticks or magic wands. And there's still the age-old argument that GTA online is five years old and you can't expect to just walk in and dominate.

 

 

 

I've been playing non-stop all five years, and I've watched the devolution first hand. You shouldn't need to hunt down pockets of play to avoid having to go to war with players in military machinery and troll vehicles out of cartoons and sci-fix films. It's far too easy for one player to negatively affect the experience of the ENTIRE lobby. For a nominal fee, of course. One asshole in a Hydra/Deluxo/Oppressor can ensure that no org work gets done by anyone in the lobby.

[Lonely-Martin]

12 minutes ago, Gemma_UK said:

Did you send in a report ticket? Threats to trace your i.p address and harm you in real life is serious.

Forget the tickets, that sh*t should go to Sony/Microsoft now. Too many make these threats and some follow us elsewhere too.

 

We know full well R* ignore in-game reporting through how frequently it's been abused. (Much like the kick option). Even get told to do something known not to work now by R* support there, lol. Ignoring clear video proof too. Seeing YouTube/that sinful place thrive with blatant crap is just crazy to me too.

 

So instead we should all bombard Sony and Microsoft (Steam on PC possibly) with it all now. Maybe, just maybe those guys will get fed up enough in dealing out bans or suspensions over this one game they might get on the blower and tell R* to sort the poison.

 

Ahh, probably not. But I send all and any to Sony my end anyway. I know they react to this sort of 'gaming' unlike R* has shown.

[bigraj]

1 hour ago, Jenkiiii said:

Reading through this thread with care, there seems to be an exaggerated opinion about how bad freemode is, as it's still possible to find pockets of play with no broomsticks or magic wands. And there's still the age-old argument that GTA online is five years old and you can't expect to just walk in and dominate.

 

Not sure that anyone's actually expressing the desire to jump into a session and dominate.  Most seem to just want to go about their business in relative peace.  It's almost impossible to even steal a car to sell at a custom shop (something I still do to supplement my character's income despite him being a multi-millionaire) without dealing with at least 2 people in flying death machines trying to murder you.  Even when you clearly drive several minutes out of your way to an unoccupied area of the map to get to a shop, they'll seek you out.  Sure, if you don't have a bounty on your head, you can go passive, but you shouldn't have to in order to not be harassed.  I remember when GTAO first started and there was plenty of free roam fighting, but you generally didn't go after people that clearly didn't feel like engaging in a fight.  Now, practically every session is a non-stop war zone with people abusing Off Radar, EWO, passive mode, Ghost Org, etc.

[Taterman]

On 9/24/2018 at 3:39 AM, Action_Andy said:

The problem is simple. R* is catering to the wrong playerbase. Game was intended for 18+ players, with subtile humor, possibilities to accomplish things in creative ways and providing challenges with all kind of difficulty levels. Now the focus is on 12-16 years old, whose parents prefer it to spend money on sharkcards to shut the brats up instead of spending time with them. 

GTA is like a once fine pub that decided to sh*t on their core costumers and is instead trying to use it's good name to rip-off tourists. You make more money with that in the short term, but it eventually ruins your place. 

 

This sums it up perfectly. Well said.

[DentureDynamite]

Quote

PC? I've encountered one god mode glitcher on PS4 lately, it was once two weeks ago. And yesterday I came across someone doing the teleport glitch. But they're not that common, at least not so much as to destroy public sessions completely. And I think "expect the same for RDR2" is a bit of a stretch. We haven't seen it yet. We all fear that this might be the future of RDR2, but you can't say that with that certainty when we know nothing about RDO yet.

We may not know much about RDR2 Online, but we do know the developers only too well. Rockstar's underlying "4Q2" philosophy toward quality game play has NOT changed.

 

Frankly, I laugh at even the "we want to make this game amazing by going the public beta route" (which developer DICE is using).

 

At the end of the day, R* refuses to creatively REINVEST in their biggest money-making game to date using even a tiny fraction of the millions they've made off of it. Even if RDR2 was available today for the PC, I now have zero motivation to buy it, because I have zero trust in Rockstar.

 

Only the gaming foundation that Leslie and the original team worked hard to build are what keep me popping in now and then for some escape from reality. Other than that, GTA Online is arguably a steaming pile of stagnant developer abuse.

Edited September 25, 2018 by DentureDynamite

[We Are Ninja]

1 hour ago, bigraj said:

 

Not sure that anyone's actually expressing the desire to jump into a session and dominate.  Most seem to just want to go about their business in relative peace.  It's almost impossible to even steal a car to sell at a custom shop (something I still do to supplement my character's income despite him being a multi-millionaire) without dealing with at least 2 people in flying death machines trying to murder you.  Even when you clearly drive several minutes out of your way to an unoccupied area of the map to get to a shop, they'll seek you out.  Sure, if you don't have a bounty on your head, you can go passive, but you shouldn't have to in order to not be harassed.  I remember when GTAO first started and there was plenty of free roam fighting, but you generally didn't go after people that clearly didn't feel like engaging in a fight.  Now, practically every session is a non-stop war zone with people abusing Off Radar, EWO, passive mode, Ghost Org, etc.

They've made it ridiculously easy for players of any skill level antagonize just about everybody. And in most case, the only way to deal with the war machine in question is to grab a similar vehicle.

 

"What's that? You don't wanna play Battlefield? Tough tiddies. Now drop $3M+ on something war-ready, soldier."

[Blasterman4EVER]

1 hour ago, We Are Ninja said:

They've made it ridiculously easy for players of any skill level antagonize just about everybody. And in most case, the only way to deal with the war machine in question is to grab a similar vehicle.

 

"What's that? You don't wanna play Battlefield? Tough tiddies. Now drop $3M+ on something war-ready, soldier."

Except that it doesn't matter how much money you have spent or what you own.

If one person with an Oppressor MK II and everything else decides he wants to ruin everything for everyone playing legitimately in a session, it does not matter how many allies you have or how good they are ---

Sales will stop. Supply runs will stop. Everything will stop. You will become endlessly engaged by one loser, and he will suicide, teleport and do anything possible to express that honor and legitimate gaming are unknown concepts to him. If you want to play the game as Rockstar intended, as the game is supposed to be played, whenever you encounter one of these hopeless griefer-above-all-else failures at life, you have no choice but to leave the session. You're just punishing yourself and your friends if you don't leave.

It is now possible for ONE - ONLY ONE - degenerate griefer to bring an entire session to its knees. The online game is officially broken post-Oppressor MK II as far as I am concerned. Jobs are the only things left that work right.

Red Dead Redemption 2 couldn't come fast enough, and maybe that's the point Rockstar is trying to make by throwing the online game into the disease-ridden guts-bucket of trash. Unless Red Dead Redemption 2 is a failure, which is highly doubtable, I will walk away from what has become a dumpster-fire of an online gaming experience and not look back. Yuck.

Free mode is even worse than GTA IV Online was when all anybody wanted to do was blow up helicopters at the airport, and I really never thought that would happen.

We're definitely at an all-time low.

Edited September 25, 2018 by Blasterman4EVER

[Jenkiiii]

Last night I went to the Xbox store and analysed the pre-order price of RDR2, but ultimately backed down without clicking the 'buy' button. I have bought every Rockstar game available to me in the past, and will no doubt buy RDR2 eventually, but my mistrust of Rockstar is keeping me back. It's worrying, and should be a no-brainer purchase.

[dieseltech20]

1 hour ago, Jenkiiii said:

Last night I went to the Xbox store and analysed the pre-order price of RDR2, but ultimately backed down without clicking the 'buy' button. I have bought every Rockstar game available to me in the past, and will no doubt buy RDR2 eventually, but my mistrust of Rockstar is keeping me back. It's worrying, and should be a no-brainer purchase.

I bought  it for the story mode. I don't give 2 sh*ts about the online portion. Hell it took me 2 years to really try the online part of GTA and I have got 3+ years of enjoyment from it. I see no reason RDR2 won't do the same.

 

I don't encounter one quarter of the crap people on forums and facebook talk about seeing in GTAO. Of course, I'm that guy in the Viglante blowing up everyone like Batman on PCP. I leave people conducting business alone though, most times.

[CosmicBuffalo]

I do not think the game is any worse than when there was a "OMFG Jets NEED TO BE REMOVED" thread on the first page of online section. 

 

It was actually worse back then, because the exaggeration of how bad the game was, was actually some what legitimate, as the lazer and Hyrda were so unbalanced.  The op got teamed on,  and yeah a team is going to destroy a solo.   Back in the day, one guy, who was good with a jet, could wreck a team of even competent players.  Especially, if the team had no competent jet users.  And now that bst cannot be glitched and is available to all; teams wrecks solos. 

 

PC has always been a problem.  So, no news there.

 

 On the MK2 Oppressor, it is soooo much better than the Deluxo.  I love the fact that the kids must buy a nightclub, a terrorbyte, and then a 4 million bike to upgrade it.  I honestly hated the deluxo as it only required a noob to buy the car and to have previously owned an MOC.  The fact that MK2 crushes the deluxo is enough for me to love it.    Eventually, the speed glitch will be fixed, calm down on that issue.  Fighting one person on the bike is essentially a stalemate unless the person is insanely good with the rockets on the bike while you are on the ground.  Even then, just passive pop the guy or, shamelessly, call in your friends.  If all else fails, Orbital Cannon the guy and leave.  Fighting a group of them, yeah you need a group. 

Edited September 26, 2018 by GenericGTAO

[Lonely-Martin]

11 hours ago, Blasterman4EVER said:

Red Dead Redemption 2 couldn't come fast enough, and maybe that's the point Rockstar is trying to make by throwing the online game into the disease-ridden guts-bucket of trash.

Can't be. It's us, remember. We created EWO and all that sh*t, innit.

 

(Yeah I know. Meh).

[Guest Member2756931]

On 9/22/2018 at 3:33 AM, Gemma_UK said:

It isn't possible to kill them and they fly around terrorizing the rooms

It's probably been said but the Stromberg can take out the Oppressor MK2 easily. However they just go passive and get another one, then get back to terrorising the lobby but avoiding the guy who took them down. Some will want revenge and keep coming after you but they soon leave.

 

Some public lobbies are OK but yes, a lot have a few Op MK2s flying around being dicks. Switch lobby is pretty much the only option if taking them out isn't your thing or you can't do it.

[kenmy13999]

13 hours ago, Blasterman4EVER said:

Except that it doesn't matter how much money you have spent or what you own.

If one person with an Oppressor MK II and everything else decides he wants to ruin everything for everyone playing legitimately in a session, it does not matter how many allies you have or how good they are ---

Sales will stop. Supply runs will stop. Everything will stop. You will become endlessly engaged by one loser, and he will suicide, teleport and do anything possible to express that honor and legitimate gaming are unknown concepts to him. If you want to play the game as Rockstar intended, as the game is supposed to be played, whenever you encounter one of these hopeless griefer-above-all-else failures at life, you have no choice but to leave the session. You're just punishing yourself and your friends if you don't leave.

It is now possible for ONE - ONLY ONE - degenerate griefer to bring an entire session to its knees. The online game is officially broken post-Oppressor MK II as far as I am concerned. Jobs are the only things left that work right.

Red Dead Redemption 2 couldn't come fast enough, and maybe that's the point Rockstar is trying to make by throwing the online game into the disease-ridden guts-bucket of trash. Unless Red Dead Redemption 2 is a failure, which is highly doubtable, I will walk away from what has become a dumpster-fire of an online gaming experience and not look back. Yuck.

Free mode is even worse than GTA IV Online was when all anybody wanted to do was blow up helicopters at the airport, and I really never thought that would happen.

We're definitely at an all-time low.

How do you know RDR2 will be any better?  Still the same devs and probably a lot of the same 'toxic' playerbase also. You most likely won't have flying meme vehicles with rockets but people will still kill each other.. 

 

Might be some info I have missed about how the online portion will work so my question might be irrelevant if that's the case

[elfoam]

16 hours ago, DentureDynamite said:

We may not know much about RDR2 Online, but we do know the developers only too well. Rockstar's underlying "4Q2" philosophy toward quality game play has NOT changed.

 

Frankly, I laugh at even the "we want to make this game amazing by going the public beta route" (which developer DICE is using).

 

At the end of the day, R* refuses to creatively REINVEST in their biggest money-making game to date using even a tiny fraction of the millions they've made off of it. Even if RDR2 was available today for the PC, I now have zero motivation to buy it, because I have zero trust in Rockstar.

 

Only the gaming foundation that Leslie and the original team worked hard to build are what keep me popping in now and then for some escape from reality. Other than that, GTA Online is arguably a steaming pile of stagnant developer abuse.

Yup you'd have to tie me up and torture me if you wanted me to invest any time into another rockstar game. I also have no faith and no trust in them. As far as I'm concerned RD online will be the biggest steaming pile of sh*t the gaming world has ever seen with 100% certainty. The only info we have on RD online is that it'll take a couple of months to get working and it will contain bugs... same old same old

Edited September 26, 2018 by elfoam

[We Are Ninja]

1 hour ago, kenmy13999 said:

How do you know RDR2 will be any better?  Still the same devs and probably a lot of the same 'toxic' playerbase also. You most likely won't have flying meme vehicles with rockets but people will still kill each other.. 

 

Might be some info I have missed about how the online portion will work so my question might be irrelevant if that's the case

Funny story. All this hoopla about the new game had me thinking about how good the original RDR was. I never played that game online. Or GTAIV for that matter. I fired up RDR and logged into the online game for sh*ts and giggles... The experience is no different.  The same baby-dicked cum guzzlers that plague GTAO are there as well, doing the EXACT SAME sh*t. One or two guys, on the best horses available, wielding the most powerful guns available, riding from player to player killing them over and over. The game is different, but the same player base is just as cheap, and just as toxic. My only ray of hope is that there won't be any jets or troll bikes or Kuruma-esque vehicles that you can shoot out of, but can't be shot in.

[Lonely-Martin]

1 hour ago, kenmy13999 said:

How do you know RDR2 will be any better?  Still the same devs and probably a lot of the same 'toxic' playerbase also. You most likely won't have flying meme vehicles with rockets but people will still kill each other.. 

 

Might be some info I have missed about how the online portion will work so my question might be irrelevant if that's the case

I'm expecting much the same, only in the West naturally, even businesses. And if they do add adversary modes too, I can see crazy stuff come like Cowboys vs Aliens, Westwood, or BTTF even. That Deluxo could be the start of some of that crazy, lol.

 

Then it's just a matter of time. We know microtransactions are coming to future games, we know those that did indulge them were undermonitised too. And with how glitching thrives unfixed in so many ways a lot of the time. A Deluxo in a game mode on RDR2 is likely to find it's way to freemode. I just need to see it can't, ever, to even think about online there.

 

Just too much money in both, the day one passive/story gamers and the recurring payers over time for me to believe that game will be that much different/better.

 

Hopeful though. Very glad there's an actual story mode though. 1 fear allayed.

15 minutes ago, We Are Ninja said:

Funny story. All this hoopla about the new game had me thinking about how good the original RDR was. I never played that game online. Or GTAIV for that matter. I fired up RDR and logged into the online game for sh*ts and giggles... The experience is no different.  The same baby-dicked cum guzzlers that plague GTAO are there as well, doing the EXACT SAME sh*t. One or two guys, on the best horses available, wielding the most powerful guns available, riding from player to player killing them over and over. The game is different, but the same player base is just as cheap, and just as toxic. My only ray of hope is that there won't be any jets or troll bikes or Kuruma-esque vehicles that you can shoot out of, but can't be shot in.

All true. But it's all just short term bollocks, IMO.

 

Here we lose days of accumulating toot as well. Can't underestimate how pleased I was to learn getting attacked during prep jobs that a CMM remains intact. After the last 2 years, that and the nightclub promos are a genuine relief.

 

Half convinced it was oversight though, if ya listen to Paige during TB missions, she's clearly oblivious to me being in an invite session it feels, lol. She talks like others know and are after me, potentially, lol.

 

Not gonna happen, lol.

[bigraj]

46 minutes ago, KWF1981 said:

I'm expecting much the same, only in the West naturally, even businesses. And if they do add adversary modes too, I can see crazy stuff come like Cowboys vs Aliens, Westwood, or BTTF even. That Deluxo could be the start of some of that crazy, lol.

 

Then it's just a matter of time. We know microtransactions are coming to future games, we know those that did indulge them were undermonitised too. And with how glitching thrives unfixed in so many ways a lot of the time. A Deluxo in a game mode on RDR2 is likely to find it's way to freemode. I just need to see it can't, ever, to even think about online there.

 

Just too much money in both, the day one passive/story gamers and the recurring payers over time for me to believe that game will be that much different/better.

 

Hopeful though. Very glad there's an actual story mode though. 1 fear allayed.

All true. But it's all just short term bollocks, IMO.

 

Here we lose days of accumulating toot as well. Can't underestimate how pleased I was to learn getting attacked during prep jobs that a CMM remains intact. After the last 2 years, that and the nightclub promos are a genuine relief.

 

Half convinced it was oversight though, if ya listen to Paige during TB missions, she's clearly oblivious to me being in an invite session it feels, lol. She talks like others know and are after me, potentially, lol.

 

Not gonna happen, lol.

Deluxo in RDR2?  Please with that futuristic sh*t.  Time to go mythological.  We're gonna end up with Gatling guns and missiles mounted on winged horses, chimeras, and griffons.

[DevilDaRebel]

Are you serious, Do you people even realize the game you're playing? This has to be satire.  Anyone wanna play together? I need help grooming my cat and tweeting on lifeinvader about how unjust society is. 

Edited September 26, 2018 by DevilDaRebel

[Lonely-Martin]

25 minutes ago, bigraj said:

Deluxo in RDR2?  Please with that futuristic sh*t.  Time to go mythological.  We're gonna end up with Gatling guns and missiles mounted on winged horses, chimeras, and griffons.

If it goes either way, I'm out.

 

No dragons, no sci-fi.

[raysis]

Have you guys tried out free aim lobbies? It's a totaly different world vs regular lobbies. Here you must free aim with your weapons, you get help selling and you can leave a vehicle with product without someone destroying it. 

 

Highly recommend the free aim lobbies. Not so many griefers there. 

 

About rockstar i think they should change the way you can go passive. Set the timer to 5 min, or you must in your appartment to get out of passive mode. Why dont they do something about passive mode? And its very very many cowards that take suicide by blow them self up with sticky bombs, because kill yourself from the menu count on the kd ratio. Try hards have their pockets full of sticky bombs. I will never return to assisted aim lobby the normal lobby all griefers are into. 

[Guest]

< slowly approaching agitated fellow forumer from behind >

 

16 minutes ago, KWF1981 said:

If [RDR2] goes either way, I'm out.

 

No dragons, no sci-fi.

 

"STEAMPUNK!"

 

< quickly runs away >

 

Edited September 26, 2018 by Guest

[Lonely-Martin]

7 minutes ago, Lucy_Woooolfe said:

< slowly approaching agitated fellow forumer from behind >

 

 

"STEAMPUNK!"

 

< quickly runs away >

 

Lol, yeah true. I more mean I don't want another Skyrim. Not that I dislikes Skyrim of course, just I want this purely a western and little to break that immersion is all.

 

(Though not agitated, just having some fun. Dude's crazy. But I'll be good now).

Edited September 26, 2018 by KWF1981
Better wording, lol.

[Nutduster]

20 hours ago, We Are Ninja said:

I've been playing non-stop all five years, and I've watched the devolution first hand. You shouldn't need to hunt down pockets of play to avoid having to go to war with players in military machinery and troll vehicles out of cartoons and sci-fix films. It's far too easy for one player to negatively affect the experience of the ENTIRE lobby. For a nominal fee, of course. One asshole in a Hydra/Deluxo/Oppressor can ensure that no org work gets done by anyone in the lobby.

 

Basically yeah.  The last few times I've been on, I look around the lobby for Oppressor icons.  Then I wait, and usually within 60 seconds or less those players are killing other players completely unprovoked.  Most of the time that ends up being all they're doing - zipping around and blowing up anything they lock onto.  It's just like when the Deluxo first came out, but worse, because the Oppressor is harder to take down and has a comically easy speed boost glitch.

 

If you're in a lobby with one or more players on Mk IIs (which is most lobbies these days), and trying to do any kind of work, you're really taking a huge chance.  If you're trying to just exist, even, you better stay in really obscure parts of the map, or be on foot most of the time.  Not saying it's just all griefing all the time, but I think the overall environment is more dangerous and more negative than it's ever been before, and that's really saying something.

[SuperJude™]

I assume these issues are worse in Auto Aim lobbies vs Free Aim? 

[Dr.Rosenthal]

1 hour ago, DevilDaRebel said:

Are you serious, Do you people even realize the game you're playing? This has to be satire.  Anyone wanna play together? I need help grooming my cat and tweeting on lifeinvader about how unjust society is. 

 

K/D warrior much? Lol

 

The upside to this toxic state of GTAO is that the tryhards are the ones to get the most angry when they lose. They like to think they’re boss of the ”cave canem”-world of free mode, they also like to describe GTAO as an R-rated game for grown ups who can take the L and that people ”who want the Sims” should stay away altogether. Yeah, we’ve all heard that before. But guess what, it’s easy to grief a session and go passive at the least bit of resistance, and then calling everyone else pussies. It’s not only easy, it’s also a bit delusional tbh.

[Nutduster]

1 hour ago, DevilDaRebel said:

Are you serious, Do you people even realize the game you're playing? This has to be satire.  Anyone wanna play together? I need help grooming my cat and tweeting on lifeinvader about how unjust society is. 

 

 

[TCA]

On 9/22/2018 at 3:34 AM, elfoam said:

God mode isn't patched

It was patched. Apparently it has been unpatched.

Edited September 26, 2018 by TCA