The B*tch & Moan Thread (Part 3)

[Spider-Vice]

R* Mag/Chris has been saying this LC stuff for ages so other pages are probably just kind of holding on to it.

[VitoCorleone1992]

Then they are probably holding the hope that it will be this time. LC FTW.

[Spider-Vice]

That would be amazingly cool but my own opinion as I've mentioned before is that we won't see expansions of this calibre until GTA VI.  

[Commander S]

52 minutes ago, Spider-Vice said:

I can't wait for no LC.

 

 

Remember how LC was supposed to come with Doomsday Heist? Because "Doomsday" implied 'the end of the world', which meant 'the end of GTAO updates' (because RDR2 would come out and GTAO development resources would be shifted over to RDO instead), and so to go out with a bang, GTAO would finally get Liberty City.

 

 

(gawd, I miss the days of 2016-2018, where every update was "the last GTAO update ever", for some reason... )

[Giantsgiants]

7 hours ago, Greeno said:

hello i work at rockstar north as head janitor. 

 

something new for a change = southern san andreas summer sport spectacle

 

featuring:

basketball

volley ball

running sport

soccer football

new golf course

new tennis

BOWLING

 

 

 

 

 

Don’t forget cricket. (Us 2013ers remember that thread.) 

[Arrows to Athens]

It's absurd how it's almost impossible to play a premium race on the PS5. The game struggles to find more than 5 or 6 players, therefore the race never starts. 

[VitoCorleone1992]

43 minutes ago, Spider-Vice said:

That would be amazingly cool but my own opinion as I've mentioned before is that we won't see expansions of this calibre until GTA VI.  

It's still possible, depending of certain factors. I will just imagine one scenario for LC to be released:

- R* thinking in long term, between 2015-2017 just assembled a small team to polish the LC map of GTA IV to the modern standards;

- R* sees that GTA Online will be here to stay for quite some years puts the LC map expansion from a Plan D to a plan C;

- R* present us the E&E and want something that will increase the next gen consoles sellings. Mansions would be an option and/or MHC and/or the Mall and/or Making something else of Cayo Perico instead just being a map for Heists purpose. If they want some more ambitions thing, they can put LC map from plan C to plan B;
- R* with all this concerning, plus want to test waters of map expansions for GTA VI (i believe, or i want to believe that they noticed that it's quite boring for the players to have the same map for a game recipe (gta online) that can last a decade, so they definitely launches LC map, so from plan B it goes to plan A and it's released.

[Crateman]

I think as much as i want lc map expansión, its not happening...by this time, the people in the "know" here in the GtaForums Will have teased us like they did with cayo perico

[VitoCorleone1992]

39 minutes ago, Crateman said:

I think as much as i want lc map expansión, its not happening...by this time, the people in the "know" here in the GtaForums Will have teased us like they did with cayo perico

I don't think that the inner-circle knows gta online plans for more than maybe 6 months or even at most, more than a year.

Edited May 21, 2022 by VitoCorleone1992

[Commander S]

7 minutes ago, Crateman said:

I think as much as i want lc map expansión, its not happening...by this time, the people in the "know" here in the GtaForums Will have teased us like they did with cayo perico

 

 

At this point, I'd call Cayo Perico the 'Hadrian's Wall' of GTAO expansions - i.e., "this far, but no further". Particularly because GTA VI is only getting closer and closer - spending all that time, money and manpower reworking Liberty City to be compatible with GTA V gets less and less likely, because that's all stuff that could be spent on getting GTA VI across the finish line.

 

That, and it took until 2020 to get just Cayo Perico, even though people were expecting LC years earlier. I think a lot of people seem to underestimate just how much work it'd take to upgrade and convert the GTA IV map to the same standard as GTA V. And honestly, I'd say that makes adding LC to GTA VI even less likely, because the disparity between the two in terms of asset quality - at that point, you'd effectively need to remake GTA IV, and ...that's time Rockstar could just spend on something all-new instead.

[arisfelbonilla]

25 minutes ago, Commander S said:

 

 

At this point, I'd call Cayo Perico the 'Hadrian's Wall' of GTAO expansions - i.e., "this far, but no further". Particularly because GTA VI is only getting closer and closer - spending all that time, money and manpower reworking Liberty City to be compatible with GTA V gets less and less likely, because that's all stuff that could be spent on getting GTA VI across the finish line.

 

That, and it took until 2020 to get just Cayo Perico, even though people were expecting LC years earlier. I think a lot of people seem to underestimate just how much work it'd take to upgrade and convert the GTA IV map to the same standard as GTA V. And honestly, I'd say that makes adding LC to GTA VI even less likely, because the disparity between the two in terms of asset quality - at that point, you'd effectively need to remake GTA IV, and ...that's time Rockstar could just spend on something all-new instead.

even though we want liberty city we don't think if R is capable of doing it
rockstar are not magicians xd

[VitoCorleone1992]

1 hour ago, Commander S said:

At this point, I'd call Cayo Perico the 'Hadrian's Wall' of GTAO expansions - i.e., "this far, but no further". Particularly because GTA VI is only getting closer and closer - spending all that time, money and manpower reworking Liberty City to be compatible with GTA V gets less and less likely, because that's all stuff that could be spent on getting GTA VI across the finish line.

But this point let's invalid if and only if, R* was working baby steps on LC without a worry, just as a plan B for all this years. I believe there's a change of we getting a LC map expansion if they have been working on it since at least 2017...i would guess that would take 3 or 4 years of solid and not rush development, that's why i don't believe that we will have a LC map expansion if they would just start to work it now, from the scratch. Bcz in 3-4 years ti's the likely date we will get GTA VI.

It's just a matter of know if the map as been in development for some years (and it's not comparable to Cayo Perico that toke way less time to be done in terms of size and purpose (just for Heist, a very restritive map in all the other aspects). If i believe that the inner-circle of GTAForums knows that already, i would say no, they probably only get to know the plans of one or two DLC's ahead...or at the very least let's hope that all this "i don't believe in LC map" from the majority, if not all the Staff members, is not because they know already something about that and that's an indirect non-commited way to say: "we already know that LC map will not come", let's hope it's just skepticism.

[CarcerCityMadMan]

The amount of effort to add LC would be staggering

 

1.They would need to update all the radio stations and dj dialogue

2.A new load of cars would need to be added

3.The map would have to be drastically increased in size(GTA IV concept map).They dont want a fighter jet/MK2 to cover the map in under 2 mins which was part of the reason no planes were in the OG GTA IV.

4.New characters and cut scenes dialogue need to be written

 

Im sure there is other stuff but those are 4 major things needed just to get it off the ground.Im not saying it cant be done but would they want to just to have it run a couple years until 6 released.

 

 

[Spider-Vice]

Yeah we go over this every time someone even suggests LC, there is no way a Rockstar that's probably head and shoulders deep into GTA VI is gonna work on such a large undertaking for the current version of GTA Online. Even working on something like Cayo Perico which is a smaller island (but already a ton of Environment Art work for example!) or The Contract with all its mocap etc. is much smaller of an undertaking than porting GTA IV's Liberty City to GTA Online in its entirety with peds, radio stations and everything. Even worse if you want them to remaster the city's assets!

 

That'd be a new game almost lol. Maybe in VI.

[Nerfgoth]

8 minutes ago, Spider-Vice said:

Yeah we go over this every time someone even suggests LC, there is no way a Rockstar that's probably head and shoulders deep into GTA VI is gonna work on such a large undertaking for the current version of GTA Online. Even working on something like Cayo Perico which is a smaller island (but already a ton of Environment Art work for example!) or The Contract with all its mocap etc. is much smaller of an undertaking than porting GTA IV's Liberty City to GTA Online in its entirety with peds, radio stations and everything. Even worse if you want them to remaster the city's assets!

 

That'd be a new game almost lol. Maybe in VI.

 

I got this crazy idea..! What if If GTA VI is a new city and both LS and LC? A mega map.....

[Spider-Vice]

I've thought of this before, GTA VI could be a case where they *could* remaster LC, introduce a new city like VC, perhaps even keep LS (much to many people's PTSD) and so on. Depends on what their ambitions are I guess  As I mentioned in the VI topic before, GTA VI having something like VC, LC, LS and SF or something would be pretty crazy.

[Nerfgoth]

3 minutes ago, Spider-Vice said:

I've thought of this before, GTA VI could be a case where they *could* remaster LC, introduce a new city like VC, perhaps even keep LS (much to many people's PTSD) and so on. Depends on what their ambitions are I guess  As I mentioned in the VI topic before, GTA VI having something like VC, LC, LS and SF or something would be pretty crazy.

 

I like LS but it has gone stale when it comes to online, an update or two we have basically used every nock and cranny of the map..... If they reuse LS i want it to have more city's and towns around thats why I´m for to ad it to next installment. I think the PTSD is starting over fresh after almost ten years of updates and lose it all!

[VitoCorleone1992]

10 minutes ago, Nerfgoth said:

 

I like LS but it has gone stale when it comes to online, an update or two we have basically used every nock and cranny of the map.....

Well, not really...the countryside is pretty much untouched, eitehr of new building or updates about it.

[Nerfgoth]

5 minutes ago, VitoCorleone1992 said:

Well, not really...the countryside is pretty much untouched, eitehr of new building or updates about it.

 

They tried with biker but it is so rare to see anyone drive from Paleto to LS. Even the preps from Casino and Cayo heist hardly use the area outside LS.... And with bunker is the best one by the chicken farm due to its right outside LS but far enough away to make LS a distant sell....

[VitoCorleone1992]

12 minutes ago, Nerfgoth said:

 

They tried with biker but it is so rare to see anyone drive from Paleto to LS.

That's because the map isn't that small as people do of it, i guess that people have that perception bcz 90% of the time, players pass it in the city. And they tried with bikers but it wasn't the best option. Going back and forth from Paleto/Sandy Shores to LS is annoying. They should do centered dlc's in the majority of the countryside, excluding LS, to make that area more alive, the countryside is only the depository of the mc bussinesses that you have to go there to sell back to LS for larger profit.

[Valiant ENT CEO]

Please keep good ol Liberty City away from GTA5! What's the purpose of flying across the country anyway? Why don't yall want the rest of San Andreas in gta online? I feel like that makes more sense?

 

Look at the simple pattern here (LOOK AT IT)

 

>Gta 3

>vice city

>San andreas

>LC (IV)

>San Andreas (5)

>Absolute Butcher remaster of the original trilogy

Next: Butchered remaster of GTA IV

Next+ GTA 6 (Vice City)

Next Online: VC, LC, SA

 

They've gone to LC and San Andreas twice.. We've only been to Vice one time. Those god damned "stories" games don't mean anything.

 

Anyway... What was I talking about?

 

 

[Phil Cassidy7]

What ever happened to those text messages from Gerald announcing the big end of something? they were teasing something with that, like something was coming to LS, was that ever explored further?

[Insoluble Fiber]

6 minutes ago, Phil Cassidy7 said:

What ever happened to those text messages from Gerald announcing the big end of something? they were teasing something with that, like something was coming to LS, was that ever explored further?

I think that was Gerald's last play missions, which we already have

[VitoCorleone1992]

33 minutes ago, Valiant ENT CEO said:

Please keep good ol Liberty City away from GTA5! What's the purpose of flying across the country anyway? Why don't yall want the rest of San Andreas in gta online? I feel like that makes more sense?

 

Look at the simple pattern here (LOOK AT IT)

 

>Gta 3

>vice city

>San andreas

>LC (IV)

>San Andreas (5)

>Absolute Butcher remaster of the original trilogy

Next: Butchered remaster of GTA IV

Next+ GTA 6 (Vice City)

Next Online: VC, LC, SA

 

They've gone to LC and San Andreas twice.. We've only been to Vice one time. Those god damned "stories" games don't mean anything.

 

Anyway... What was I talking about?

 

 

 

Lmao...you mentioned gta vii (7) there. Which if comes, damn...a lot of ppl will be having grandchildren by then.

 

Ppl say LC bcz, even if a bit hard to do, it's not harder than making a full map from the zero like a HD version of SF and LV.

 

10 minutes ago, Phil Cassidy7 said:

What ever happened to those text messages from Gerald announcing the big end of something? they were teasing something with that, like something was coming to LS, was that ever explored further?

 

Back then it was theories that was related to the CnC, but that dlc got canned/shelved.

[MGgames100]

20 minutes ago, Phil Cassidy7 said:

What ever happened to those text messages from Gerald announcing the big end of something? they were teasing something with that, like something was coming to LS, was that ever explored further?

It was for Gerald's Last Play, which were meant to be a teaser for the scrapped CnC.

[Burgher1933]

21 hours ago, Niii said:

As far as I know, only Xbox players have paid for GTA Online, and besides, it would bring in so many more players, it's profitable.

The 3 free months on PS5 can be decisive, they surely have projections and they know exactly how many free players they managed to "transform" with GTA+. This is a great way to see if switching to F2P is feasible.

If you can get a free player to buy 4 months of GTA+, you will have more money than if they just bought the game. (At normal price).

Didn't the latest investors call mention that they're expecting micro-transactions to be down this year for gta Online? If it was going free-to-play, wouldn't they project mt's to go up?

[DeltaV20]

i won't be angry if we receive a LSSS type dlc again but a bit bigger and with E&E stuff, ngl it was a good QoL update 

[Nerfgoth]

1 minute ago, VitoCorleone1992 said:

That's because the map isn't that small as people do of it, i guess that people have that perception bcz 90% of the time, players pass it in the city. And they tried with bikers but it wasn't the best option. Going back and forth from Paleto/Sandy Shores to LS is annoying. They should do centered dlc's in the majority of the countryside, excluding LS, to make that area more alive, the countryside is only the depository of the mc bussinesses that you have to go there to sell back to LS for larger profit.

 

That is true that the map isn´t that small when it takes 5+ min to drive form LS to Sandy Shores or vice versa..... Last time north of the map got proper love was the Casino dlc with the Arcade in Paleto but all preps makes it a pain in the behind to travel back and forth to LS. But then there is Cayo but only the prep for taking the sub to the island or the velum. Oh I forgot the Doomsday heist where we can have the facility in the north but all preps basically is done in LS yet again.....

A trucking dlc could have been fun but there is not a big house enough in north of the to act as a garage for our fleet of trucks.... Two is used for biker biz and the rest is the chicken factory! It feels like Paleto has a lot of cut content, that the map was supposed to be bigger in the north but was cut due to console limitation.

 

What kind of dlc in Paleto/Shandy Shores did you have in mind?

[Gridl0k]

13 hours ago, VitoCorleone1992 said:

Years ago there was a bug with the Casco that you would buy it with no roof. There's no variant of that. It have roof as defeault. Some time later, they fixed it. Looks like now is something broken again.

 

They fixed it by putting a roof on my beloved casco in my garage the f*ckers

[SummerFreeze]

14 hours ago, AUScowboy said:

Why does the test ride Casco have no roof but then does have a roof if you take it on the test track, bug? I assume it still gives you the hard top version if you buy it?

All the "display cars" (test rides, podium, prize ride) tend to have the vehicle "extras" flag set to 0, i.e. they get removed. For example when the Emerus was a podium vehicle, it didn't have a spoiler. The Casco roof is such an extra as well. BUT unlike most other extras, the roof gets automatically added through a script if you actually own the car.