The B*tch & Moan Thread (Part 3)

[Crateman]

https://dotesports.com/business/news/take-two-ceo-strauss-zelnick-receives-new-contract-extension-that-will-earn-him-major-bonuses-in-microtransactions   

Straussy Zelnick needs your collaboration

They are going full ahead with microtransactions and future juicy content Will be locked behind paywall, someone has to pay those waygu steaks 

GTA+ is only the start...

Edited May 8, 2022 by Crateman

[Spider-Vice]

That's not news, as this has been the case since Take-Two has delved into microtransactions with the 2K games, even before GTAO.  

[Crateman]

Iam late 

Nvm

[Arrows to Athens]

I never understood why the Akula has no 'homing off' option. It's so f*cking annoying when you have cops everywhere and you're unable to free aim players on foot. 

[Pedinhuh]

41 minutes ago, Crateman said:

https://dotesports.com/business/news/take-two-ceo-strauss-zelnick-receives-new-contract-extension-that-will-earn-him-major-bonuses-in-microtransactions   

Straussy Zelnick needs your collaboration

They are going full ahead with microtransactions and future juicy content Will be locked behind paywall, someone has to pay those waygu steaks 

GTA+ is only the start...

I mean, it's not like they would change their predatory practices just because Zelnick would step down from the position, way on the contrary, the whales would just make someone else's wallet become fatter with MTX money.

[Malibu Club]

Do people really think there's a chance of a Liberty City DLC? Every time I come look at this topic that's always what everyone is talking about despite how unrealistic it is. Even if there was one in the works, you're probably only going to see a couple blocks at most and it'll be unrecognizable. Don't get your hopes up.

[Spider-Vice]

6 minutes ago, Super Gran Turismo said:

Do people really think there's a chance of a Liberty City DLC?

Not me, personally, lol, at all. As I've mentioned before I think any major map additions will only be seen with GTA VI's Online, not now. Most of R* is probably working on GTA VI as is, I doubt they'd allocate resources to such a significant map expansion for the current-era GTA Online.

 

Something smaller like Cayo is a different story, of course, but even then that also needs more resources than your typical DLC.

[Hécate-II]

53 minutes ago, Arrows to Athens said:

I never understood why the Akula has no 'homing off' option. It's so f*cking annoying when you have cops everywhere and you're unable to free aim players on foot. 

 

They fkd up the Akula exit from Hangar, there is a super weird latence now on PC, and it seems to be some EE side effects, before I could be full off radar in -5 sec when exiting the Hangar, now its so buggy, take +15 sec I'm sure. Perhaps 20. 

[RyuNova]

44 minutes ago, Super Gran Turismo said:

Do people really think there's a chance of a Liberty City DLC?

 

I said this a while back, adding Liberty City is too much of an undertaking for a free update. Its not just a case of porting the map from IV, and it's done, it needs updating, new spawn points, new spawn lists, new voice acted mission givers, mission spawn points, apartments, businesses etc. Why would R* do this when they can just keep releasing DLC that follows the tried and true formula and keep making money?

[Nerfgoth]

7 minutes ago, RyuNova said:

 

I said this a while back, adding Liberty City is too much of an undertaking for a free update. Its not just a case of porting the map from IV, and it's done, it needs updating, new spawn points, new spawn lists, new voice acted mission givers, mission spawn points, apartments, businesses etc. Why would R* do this when they can just keep releasing DLC that follows the tried and true formula and keep making money?

 

They don't ad all at once, start small and build from there......

[RyuNova]

2 minutes ago, Nerfgoth said:

They don't ad all at once, start small and build from there......

 

Yea, that worked well for Sea of Thieves, No Man's Sky and Red Dead Online...

 

The bare minimum that people would expect is what we already have so missions (not five or whatever with more added as drip feed), apartments and some form of business. That also does not negate that it would need updating, reworking, scripting etc.

[Nerfgoth]

17 minutes ago, RyuNova said:

 

Yea, that worked well for Sea of Thieves, No Man's Sky and Red Dead Online...

 

The bare minimum that people would expect is what we already have so missions (not five or whatever with more added as drip feed), apartments and some form of business. That also does not negate that it would need updating, reworking, scripting etc.

 

As I wrote earlier is that the community can do races and and other pvp things and R* just need to verify some of them and make a public corona for them.... Aren´t all missions in GTAO go there, kill that/collect that and bring back to a checkpoint?

Heist and businesses can be added over time just look how it is now. First we had crates then cars... Later we got biker stuff too! So IF and a big if they do added a new city without loading a screen that I don´t think we will get. A trucking dlc could be one of the first we will get. They could even get grander over time with plane cargo dlc. They could even set up a second club house there as our biker club trying to take over the new city.

 

But what would have been better from a code writhing  point of view is doing it all in reverse and ad a new map and later let us re-discover Los Santos as it get updated with new textures and stuff to do....

[VitoCorleone1992]

2 hours ago, Super Gran Turismo said:

Do people really think there's a chance of a Liberty City DLC? Every time I come look at this topic that's always what everyone is talking about despite how unrealistic it is. Even if there was one in the works, you're probably only going to see a couple blocks at most and it'll be unrecognizable. Don't get your hopes up.

I mean...in the end of the day in many cases the company needs to try to meet the needs of their consumers. I really believe that Rockstar pays too much attention to GTAForums, they have "spies" here and they see the comments, they take note of our opinions and analyze the best ways that they can come up with to implement some of our ideas, BUT ALSO, THOSE THAT SEEMS THAT WOULD NOT BE WELL RECEIVED TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC, MEASURING WITH THE OPINIONS OF PEOPLE HERE, SUCH AS:

 

Cops and Crooks DLC - tbh, i think some people here don't want that DLC for what happened in that incident in the USA. And many of the rest of the forumers, at least it's the feeling i get, are already abidcating of the idea for feeling the cause lost, bcz they think (and maybe rightfully so) that R* wento so much political correct that the chances of getting a cop dlc are gone.
 

Pimp DLC - this subject is even worse...seems like it have even less appeal to the majority of people here (well, it does) or people just don't want to admit that they would like to have this bussiness. To me it's a criminal simulator game, and i wouldn't mind to have this kind of bussiness in the same standards that it was presented in previous gta's since it's part of the franchise (this in contrast to the idea of this subject when was very debated here in the past, when some folks when the Watch Dogs route (wtf) like a human trafficking network, so that concept most be debunked since i never saw anyone who was pro-pimp dlc wanting that bussiness sustained in that bases).

Naval DLC - a lot of people would like this type of update, but in one hand they seem discouraged by the lack of after 8 years still nothing about it, not even after all this time we are able to customize our own boats and they are still pegasus category. And there's some resonability there when people say that the geography of the map wouldn't allow a good naval dlc to be made, so many people dropped that idea already, but c'mon, there's options...some examples, adding some small island splitted around the map of LS or even a new map just filled with some small islands where we would do some drug trafficking, or oil rights, or add some underwater building and of course add animals for the ocean not fill so empty, etc. So there's options.

Truck DLC - "oh few people care about trucks", that's the excuse in this regard.

 

Many other DLC types that i can't remember or it's not from my knowledge, but even the map expansion to Liberty City is one of the DLC's that people just go discourage of requesting to Rockstar because they think it's too much unlikely, but it's not. It's doable, it can take work and of course it's true, it's something that will take more work than a tradicional DLC, but if R* themselves had LC map expansion being worked from some years know at slow pace just in case for a need to be released given that opportunity, it's nothing that new gen consoles and PC cannot deliver.

 

So to sum it up, our opinions and judgements here makes an impression at R* and if they see that the idea have more people against than in favour, even if everyone would be in favour but discouraged, thinking that i'ts not doable, then they couldn't care less and put ther resources in something else. Think about it.
 

1 hour ago, Spider-Vice said:

Not me, personally, lol, at all. As I've mentioned before I think any major map additions will only be seen with GTA VI's Online, not now. Most of R* is probably working on GTA VI as is, I doubt they'd allocate resources to such a significant map expansion for the current-era GTA Online.

 

Something smaller like Cayo is a different story, of course, but even then that also needs more resources than your typical DLC.

But me as a lot of people make the theory (which have a lot of wishful thinking, ngl... ) that there's a change that R* programmed a small team to work on LC map maybe since that times where we saw that middle park picture that was the begining of massive speculation and hope for a expansion to LC, but taking it slowly, not to much worries, with some vibe like: "let's work on this just in case...if not for V then for VI, or if who knows...if we after 8 years will still be kicking ass as one of the top played games and port the game to a 3rd generation of consoles, who knows maybe we will give the players a map expansion for this itineration of GTA Online". Who knows...that sh*t would blow peoples heads and a lot of veteran players would come to GTA Online again, just imagine, adding the vast number of players of the spotlight days of Online + the new players from 3-4 years ago. And i say that because i see a lot of players but my friends list of veteran players is very small, i only count 5 or 6 that still play frequently.
Tbh, i would rather have a LC map for GTA Online 1 and let GTA VI play out something else. Main city that i would want would be Vice City (which i think it's the will of almost everyone) and then adding map expansion for some other cities of previous titles if that was what they would want, like San Fierro or Las Venturas.

P.S.: But i will say this  - i don't think that we will see LC map expansion at all, if the LS map will still not be upgraded and i'm talking about the MHC for example, or even the countryside, which always was and is pretty untouched.
 

1 hour ago, RyuNova said:

 

I said this a while back, adding Liberty City is too much of an undertaking for a free update. Its not just a case of porting the map from IV, and it's done, it needs updating, new spawn points, new spawn lists, new voice acted mission givers, mission spawn points, apartments, businesses etc. Why would R* do this when they can just keep releasing DLC that follows the tried and true formula and keep making money?

You said: "it needs updating, new spawn points, new spawn lists, new voice acted mission givers, mission spawn points, apartments, businesses etc." but well, this is basically he formula of a normal DLC also. So there's a change it can be done.

Edited May 8, 2022 by VitoCorleone1992

[Valiant ENT CEO]

Other parts of San Andreas would be much more welcomed than Liberty City.. I mean seriously. Where is San Fierro or Las Venturas? I dont know whats worse. Still playing this on ps4 or the new gen consoles.

 

Mind boggling...

[VitoCorleone1992]

20 minutes ago, Nerfgoth said:

So IF and a big if they do added a new city without loading a screen that I don´t think we will get.

Tbh, i would prefer a loading screen, make it as an animation of a plane flying or whatever mean you travel to that city. How awkward are those maps that modders do and show in youtube with LS and LC just separated by some 3-5 kilometers of water.

[RyuNova]

3 minutes ago, VitoCorleone1992 said:

You said: "it needs updating, new spawn points, new spawn lists, new voice acted mission givers, mission spawn points, apartments, businesses etc." but well, this is basically he formula of a normal DLC also. So there's a change it can be done.

 

No, we are talking an entire maps worth of content vs a few of these things added for specific DLC.

[VitoCorleone1992]

9 minutes ago, Valiant ENT CEO said:

Other parts of San Andreas would be much more welcomed than Liberty City.. I mean seriously. Where is San Fierro or Las Venturas? I dont know whats worse. Still playing this on ps4 or the new gen consoles.

 

Mind boggling...

 

That why i said in the post above, it's more reasonable a LC towards a map expansion for current GTA Online than SF or LV, since LC even if it's not a map so high res as LS, i guess it's easier to just re-texture it, rather create a HD version of of SF/LV cities that from the 3D era and not so closely scaled to the real life cities because software limitations, which is something that is almost indispensable for the modern days of gta franchise and what comes to make a city close to their real life counterpart.
 

3 minutes ago, RyuNova said:

 

No, we are talking an entire maps worth of content vs a few of these things added for specific DLC.

Hum...ok, but even still. How to do it? Just put the free roam stuff across the map, seems easy, they could jsut re-use the previous locations of the old LC map. In terms of checkpoints, well, if you think for a minute, there's a lot of the LS map that got empty of checkpoints and some even reuse for more than one checkpoint. There's still some areas on the map that when i pass there sporadically i get the feeling of never have seen or paid attention to those location.

Edited May 8, 2022 by VitoCorleone1992

[Nerfgoth]

30 minutes ago, VitoCorleone1992 said:

Tbh, i would prefer a loading screen, make it as an animation of a plane flying or whatever mean you travel to that city. How awkward are those maps that modders do and show in youtube with LS and LC just separated by some 3-5 kilometers of water.

 

What about a multitude of connection? A bridge, ferry and a plane depending how fast and where you wanna go on the new map. Where the obvious is city to city and the rest is crossing a scenic route with a small town in between not bigger than Paletto!

[Arrows to Athens]

3 hours ago, Hécate-II said:

 

They fkd up the Akula exit from Hangar, there is a super weird latence now on PC, and it seems to be some EE side effects, before I could be full off radar in -5 sec when exiting the Hangar, now its so buggy, take +15 sec I'm sure. Perhaps 20. 

Are you talking about stealth mode? Because I think I know what you're talking about, and it's definitely something that came from E&E. It now takes like 15 seconds to be off radar when entering stealth mode. The game takes a long time to register that you are actually in stealth mode, so when you enter stealth mode, you can still use your rockets and there is no notification telling you that you are in stealth mode until, like, 15 seconds later. Really annoying. I believe it only happens once you enter the Akula if you spawned it or once you exit your hangar with it. 

 

Another B&M: The CEO max limit. Please, please lift the f*cking CEO max limit. For the love of all that's holy...

Edited May 9, 2022 by Arrows to Athens

[arisfelbonilla]

liberty city that beautiful city that we last saw in gta 4
It sounds too good to be true but being honest I would see it as impossible since as much as R creates very good maps
 
You have to know limits of what rockstar does

but at least we can dream

Edited May 9, 2022 by arisfelbonilla

[VitoCorleone1992]

2 hours ago, Nerfgoth said:

 

What about a multitude of connection? A bridge, ferry and a plane depending how fast and where you wanna go on the new map. Where the obvious is city to city and the rest is crossing a scenic route with a small town in between not bigger than Paletto!

Hummm...that would be a bit immersion breaking in one hand. Let's not forget even a train scenic route would have a lot of different environments since we are talking about linking the two coasts of USA. I think the best case scenario would be just like CP map works, you see a plain getting in and getting out.

[HamwithCheese]

Day, idk 8 or so of not logging in. Sometimes I wanna pop in, do a job, see my characters again, fix some cars. Then I remember I'll just end up playing Meth'd Up with low levels 16 times a session and my cars are slow and boring and there haven't been good clothing drops since god knows when 

 

Honestly I shouldn't have switched over to PS5.

[Shadowfennekin]

It's funny how Event Cargos spawn almost every time a Business Battle starts when you DON'T want to participate.

Already had the wire suits, I ain't participating and no reason to.

 

Really only pissed cause it's finally NOT the aircraft carrier, and it's loot I don't need or even benefit from

Yet I bet there's a wire suit that they haven't released yet that they easily could have thrown it, I'm fairly sure there is 

[touchedmysoul09]

1 hour ago, Shadowfennekin said:

It's funny how Event Cargos spawn almost every time a Business Battle starts when you DON'T want to participate.

Already had the wire suits, I ain't participating and no reason to.

 

Really only pissed cause it's finally NOT the aircraft carrier, and it's loot I don't need or even benefit from

Yet I bet there's a wire suit that they haven't released yet that they easily could have thrown it, I'm fairly sure there is 

A GTA+ exclusive, probably. 

Edited May 9, 2022 by touchedmysoul09

[SummerFreeze]

10 hours ago, Crateman said:

https://dotesports.com/business/news/take-two-ceo-strauss-zelnick-receives-new-contract-extension-that-will-earn-him-major-bonuses-in-microtransactions   

Straussy Zelnick needs your collaboration

They are going full ahead with microtransactions and future juicy content Will be locked behind paywall, someone has to pay those waygu steaks 

GTA+ is only the start...

9 hours ago, Spider-Vice said:

That's not news, as this has been the case since Take-Two has delved into microtransactions with the 2K games, even before GTAO.  

It is news, because if the CEO has an incentive to add even more microtransactions to an excessive degree, that's obviously what's going to happen.

 

For example, this would make it pretty certain that GTA 6 single player will have mictrotransactions. Before that I wouldn't be so sure.

 

Say making you pay extra to drive super cars to finish missions quicker.

Edited May 9, 2022 by SummerFreeze

[el carlitos]

Why all this talk about LC map expansion? Any hints or leaks? For sure, LC map expansion would make me want to switch to PS5 (if I could get one). For the moment no need to switch.

[Mexicola9302]

8 minutes ago, el carlitos said:

Why all this talk about LC map expansion? Any hints or leaks? For sure, LC map expansion would make me want to switch to PS5 (if I could get one). For the moment no need to switch.

These ppl are just dreaming of something that will never happen. Maybe if the pandemic didn't happen there would have been a tiny small chance for LC in GTAO. But R* devs worked a lot from home in 2020 and 2021. It's just very very unlikely to get LC.

 

There was no hint or leak or anything about LC.

 

I hope for a medium sized DLC, and i hope they don't transfer all the bugs "E&E" on consoles has over to PC once that is released. I try to be realistic here, i want a Honda NSX from the 90's or the early 00's and finally the Ford GT40 from the 60's, i honestly don't care about the DLC itself, i just want these cars. If it's Rosalia as a new Agency VIP, i can live with that, but they shouldn't force us to listen to her crap music.

[Black-Dragon96]

I really dont get the hype for Liberty City.

Dont get me wrong I loved it in gta 4 but since 90% of the action takes place in the streets of Los Santos already, I would prefer a new addition to take place in a less Urban area.

 

Prior to the anouncement of Cayo Perico we speculated the new Island to be based on Catalina Island.

Something like that would be great.

One bigger about Paleto Bay sized town based on Avalon on the real Catalina Island (just a little bigger since real Avalon is not that nice for cars), a small airport (where we can store planes and helis), a small town/village in the middle and maybe one in the north that could be swapped with a small Naval Base.

A few roads and dirt paths connect the whole caboose together and done.

Add it to freemode and we would have a new place to explore, the potential for the naval/boating dlc so many people seem to want (as we would finally have a place to use boats to get to).

You could go there by boat, plane, heli or through a menu at the airport similar to how you can get to cayo perico.

Turn it into a "no fly zone" for jets/military aircraft and mk2s to prevent it from becoming griefers paradise and done.

You can buy houses, rob houses, do all kinds of missions and maybe even do a heist at the proposed Naval Base (robbing $ printing plates).

 

 

Or what about finishing north yankton.

Ludendorf and maybe another small town aswell as 2 or 3 grapeseed sized villages, permanent snow mountains all around.

Aircraft wouldnt really work on a map like that, but that could be explained by an Area 51 style Military base banning all aircraft except the travel company that bring the player there from LSIA.

Said military base could be the basis for a new heist based around Aliens featuring Omega. This could explain the MK2 and Deluxo hovering technology, the Lazer guns etc.

 

There are so many places I'd rather have for a map expansion than Liberty City or even San Fiero/Las Venturas.

Heck I'd be fine with them letting us take over Cayo Perico and using it either as a drug baron island or upgrading it into a tourist island or a mix of both.

[Hécate-II]

9 hours ago, Arrows to Athens said:

Are you talking about stealth mode? Because I think I know what you're talking about, and it's definitely something that came from E&E. It now takes like 15 seconds to be off radar when entering stealth mode. The game takes a long time to register that you are actually in stealth mode, so when you enter stealth mode, you can still use your rockets and there is no notification telling you that you are in stealth mode until, like, 15 seconds later. Really annoying. I believe it only happens once you enter the Akula if you spawned it or once you exit your hangar with it. 

 

 

Thats it, hopefully it gets fixed, or it will stay until 2040. 

[Insoluble Fiber]

What I'd really like to see is the utilization of current in game land masses that feel barren such as palomino highlands and the likes. They could make a whole mini city in that area.

Also, why not add lavish cabin/lodges that sit on stilts around some of the mountains? I'd imagine a small garage there with access only to offroad vehicles.

 

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