The B*tch & Moan Thread (Part 3)

[basedsam9]

6 minutes ago, boomboom5950 said:

they would have to remodel many buildings, lots of them look very dated, add new buildings like the WTC , retexture, completley remake all the vegetation (hills, dirt, rocks, trees) and then on top of it add whatever properties and buildings we can enter. Lots of work considering they just "announced" gta 6 and in about 3 years from now everyone will have moved on to GTA 6 online. Trust me nobody wants an LC expansion more than me but i dont see it happening

Hey, all I'm saying is if random FiveM developers can create a fully functioning Liberty City with custom peds and all the systems I've described above, then Rockstar could do it with more finesse. Especially now that there is no limitations in terms of technology anymore with next gen.

 

And besides, they've already actually done that. This was found on a Rockstar dev's portfolio showing Liberty City in V's engine with all the changes YOU'VE mentioned already implemented, they just never got around to releasing it for some reason.

 

Edited May 6, 2022 by basedsam9

[boomboom5950]

6 minutes ago, basedsam9 said:

Hey, all I'm saying is if random FiveM developers can create a fully functioning Liberty City with custom peds and all the systems I've described above, then Rockstar could do it with more finesse. Especially now that there is no limitations in terms of technology anymore with next gen.

 

And besides, they've already actually done that. This was found on a Rockstar dev's portfolio showing Liberty City in V's engine with all the changes YOU'VE mentioned already implemented, they just never got around to releasing it for some reason.

 

yeah exactly, what i was referring to in my comment was exactly whats going on in this gif. Proves that the idea of simply porting the map and nothing else isnt enough, all the LC maps on FiveM really do look out of place i find, its an untouched gta 4 map with gta 5 tree models. As far as why they never finished or released this is beyond me. It looks soooo good and i would kill to see this become a reality. Who knows maybe this project got further than we thought and might actually see a release. But if starting from scratch then i doubt it.

Edited May 6, 2022 by boomboom5950

[rollschuh2282]

19 minutes ago, Nerfgoth said:

Can´t they just use GTAV models instead and upscale it to 1080p?

What?

No.

Sure some textures could be reused.

But there is no rotterdam tower model in V.

You can't just copy V buildings and models and make LC with that.

Would still be a lot of work.

6 minutes ago, basedsam9 said:

Hey, all I'm saying is if random FiveM developers can create a fully functioning Liberty City with custom peds and all the systems I've described above, then Rockstar could do it with more finesse. Especially now that there is no limitations in terms of technology anymore with next gen.

 

And besides, they've already actually done that. This was found on a Rockstar dev's portfolio showing Liberty City in V's engine with all the changes YOU'VE mentioned already implemented, they just never got around to releasing it for some reason.

 

Really?

You really go there?

Yes we know they worked on it.

And you can't compare Fivem LC mods.

Most of those are very bad.

Very very bad.

Just all the models thrown into the fivem converter

 

That roughly converts them to V.

But there are many things most don't even do.

Like the spec maps.

Or editing the map models to make it look better.

This is the reason why most of those LC maps look too bright in a way.

And not really fitting.

 

And btw, i know a team that has been working on a LC for SP.

And they want it to be good.

And they are on it for years already.

So yeah

 

[basedsam9]

2 minutes ago, boomboom5950 said:

yeah exactly, what i was referring to in my comment was exactly whats going on in this gif. Proves that the idea of simply porting the map and nothing else isnt enough, all the LC maps on FiveM really do look out of place i find, its an untouched gta 4 map with gta 5 tree models. As far as why they never finished or released this is beyond me. It looks soooo good and i would kill to see this become a reality. Who knows maybe this project got further than we thought and might actually see a release. But if starting from scratch then i doubt it.

I think if it was as intensive to create as people claim it to be, it must've been in development for years by now. I can see them releasing something like this as one last big expansion exclusively to next gen GTA Online before 6 is bound to come out in a year or two to keep us busy while we're waiting. Maybe add one last heist that comes along with the city or something and leave it at that to work on releasing GTA 6.

 

Sounds too optimistic or unrealistic, but a man can dream I suppose. It definitely isn't too out of the realm of possibility in my opinion.

[Nerfgoth]

10 minutes ago, rollschuh2282 said:

What?

No.

Sure some textures could be reused

 

Maybe wasn´t specific enough. What I meant was taking the pedestrians and other npc and just re-dress them with cloth matching the fashion in LB.....

[ST0b]

Am I the only one who couldn't find a Business Battle:Event Cargo.I got a few Business Battles:Cargo , and one with weapons but none that would get me those Wireframe bodysuits.

 

E&E PC=15 May???

 

Rockstar has changed the discount/sales structure and I don't like it.Back then,if it was Nightclub week,NightClubs,their modifications and upgrades and a few related vehicles would be on sale,now, it's Nightclub discount first week, Upgrades/Modifications the next week and the special vehicles in the next to that.Very Annoying.

[CaliMeatWagon]

Keep in mind people, they already did this for RDR/RDR2's map. 
Half of the map is a "copy" of an old games map. 
So the idea of them remaking VC into the current version of RAGE isn't to far fetched. 

Also, keep in mind that RDR and GTA IV launched only two years apart from each other. So there isn't massive differences compared to RDR to RDR2 or GTA IV to GTA V. 

[basedsam9]

7 minutes ago, CaliMeatWagon said:

Keep in mind people, they already did this for RDR/RDR2's map. 
Half of the map is a "copy" of an old games map. 
So the idea of them remaking LC into the current version of RAGE isn't to far fetched.

Especially considering the difference between IV's and V's engine isn't that big. They were both released on the same console generation. It's like the difference between Vice City and San Andreas.

[TheFroggmann]

On 5/5/2022 at 9:06 AM, o_Marvelous said:

Since I restarted on PS4, my pride doesn't let me run from most battles. I win more than I lose but when I'm losing its aggravating.

Got spawn trapped on Vespucci beach while doing some work. Glitched arms marksman rifle spamming 400+ level. Die. Spawn on the beach like 2 feets from where I was with nooooo cover around. Rinse and repeat. Finally out sniped him, sprinted to cover of one of the lifeguard lookouts. He started spamming RPGs but got a little too close and I was able to use my Combat MG to gun him down. From there, ran into the city and had a proper battle.

Is there a faster solo way to increase strength other than beating up civs over and over? Feels like my bar isn't moving

 

CEO + helper. Have the person that needs to build their strength move the CEO into a corner and start pummeling. Back in the day this was good for a bar every 30 minutes. 

[o_Marvelous]

1 minute ago, TheFroggmann said:

 

CEO + helper. Have the person that needs to build their strength move the CEO into a corner and start pummeling. Back in the day this was good for a bar every 30 minutes. 

Thanks, but looking for solo methods.

You see, I'm anti social

[theguy1998]

52 minutes ago, ST0b said:

Am I the only one who couldn't find a Business Battle:Event Cargo.I got a few Business Battles:Cargo , and one with weapons but none that would get me those Wireframe bodysuits.

 

E&E PC=15 May???

 

Rockstar has changed the discount/sales structure and I don't like it.Back then,if it was Nightclub week,NightClubs,their modifications and upgrades and a few related vehicles would be on sale,now, it's Nightclub discount first week, Upgrades/Modifications the next week and the special vehicles in the next to that.Very Annoying.

May 15? It's too early.

[Mexicola9302]

Just now, theguy1998 said:

May 15? It's too early.

Also that is a sunday.

[Spider-Vice]

This is like fake leakers trying to sound super legit but then they choose some random day that falls on a weekend or holiday.  

[Pol The Agent]

One thing that they really could add to Online is the access to North Yankton, even though it wouldn't bring much unless there's something that could make sense like a heist, it's part of the base game and it wouldn't really cost that much effort aside from setting up the NPCs and stuff related (feel free to correct me in this part).

[rollschuh2282]

1 hour ago, Nerfgoth said:

 

Maybe wasn´t specific enough. What I meant was taking the pedestrians and other npc and just re-dress them with cloth matching the fashion in LB.....

Sure they can re-use hand, head and hair models.

R* even does that with DLCs.

Pretty much every DLC.

but it would need more than like 5 different outfits.

They would need to make a lot more to make it still seem realistic and if they don't want to let us see copies every street like back in the 3d era games.

 

1 hour ago, basedsam9 said:

Especially considering the difference between IV's and V's engine isn't that big. They were both released on the same console generation. It's like the difference between Vice City and San Andreas.

 

Omg...do you have any idea how wrong you are...

They are very very different!

After RDR1 they basically re-wrote RAGE and overhauled it.

Even core systems are very different.

Like the entire rendering system changed so much.

Then so many new systems.

 

If you would look at code of both versions of RAGE, i am certain you would see a 90% difference at least.

 

1 minute ago, Pol The Agent said:

One thing that they really could add to Online is the access to North Yankton, even though it wouldn't bring much unless there's something that could make sense like a heist, it's part of the base game and it wouldn't really cost that much effort aside from setting up the NPCs and stuff related (feel free to correct me in this part).

It would require more than that.

Since everything you don't visit in the SP missions is LQ and not solid.

And since Cayo it wouldn't even work correctly anymore.

Since for Cayo they removed most of the paths for North Yankton in the MP map.

So if they would want to add NY.

then they would need to fully move it and re-add the paths.

Aside from finishing a lot of the environment up

[Shadowfennekin]

2 hours ago, VitoCorleone1992 said:

But the thing maybe be: they don't care about a xmas livery to be copied to another person who didn't got it. Other thing is copy something behind a paid subscription.

It's not made FOR GTA + though, they're literally just slapping random things from the limited time pool into it(And clearly not checking rather they gave it out or not much like with the standard free items)

 

Anyways this would be simple to check with that camo split livery

[Tomtomsengermany]

 Bullsh*t !

 

 

 

[Arrows to Athens]

Is anybody else’s RC glitched? I can’t access either of them. It says they’re “currently unavailable”. I’m not in the middle of a job or activity, either. No Business Battle or anything going on. Changing sessions fixes it.

 

Bullsh*t.

Edited May 7, 2022 by Arrows to Athens

[DuhBritishTea]

so auto invite is completely broken on PC because of the recent patch? This game is literally being held together by glue and spaghetti code  and E&E won't fix sh*t 

Edited May 7, 2022 by DuhBritishTea

[needforsuv]

9 hours ago, rollschuh2282 said:

That had nothing to do with anything...it's just a bunch of polygons.

They were designed and optimised with DX12/Vulkan in mind

AKA, the draw calls and complexity etc targeted a smooth experience on those.

The same assets, density, obviously doesn't work well in an older engine

What I'm saying is, the way they're drawing so much different, dense, detailed foliage on CP is much more intense than in LS and could've easily been an island in RDR2.
That is to say, it's modeled more like something from RDR2 than GTAV, and although the engine/pipeline of RDR2 which is SGA supports DX11, the game itself is DX12 and vulcan only. I imagine if you ported/enabled DX11 for RDR2, it'd perform much like CP does in gtaonline right now, excluding any improvements from a new rage engine, etc.

 

7 hours ago, ST0b said:

but none that would get me those Wireframe bodysuits.

You should already have them/be able to get them from the shop.

They aren't new

Edited May 7, 2022 by needforsuv

[Arrows to Athens]

So I get f*ck all?

 

 

Thanks, C*.

[VitoCorleone1992]

Rockstar, ignore the bodies, we need this on the background, pretty please.




If a restaurant/fast-food chain DLC would become a thing one day, this would be a nice location:

[touchedmysoul09]

Took a long break from GTAO and this is my first session back. This game is so good. So glad they are (re-re-)releasing the game on the third generation of consoles at full price.

 

 

 

[Valiant ENT CEO]

God this sh*t is so boring! I've done everything is this game... Over and Over. Every mission, heist, resupply, freemode mission. I bought everything. Spent like 1.5 billion dollars. Made rank 1400+ 

 

CAN WE JUST GET A NEW f*ckING GTA ALREADY?? What in the mk2 flying f*ck! 

 

...Oh, look... New time trials?!? Rockstar I'd like to kick you in the dick you limey bastards! LOL

[Mexicola9302]

3 hours ago, needforsuv said:

They were designed and optimised with DX12/Vulkan in mind

AKA, the draw calls and complexity etc targeted a smooth experience on those.

The same assets, density, obviously doesn't work well in an older engine

What I'm saying is, the way they're drawing so much different, dense, detailed foliage on CP is much more intense than in LS and could've easily been an island in RDR2.
That is to say, it's modeled more like something from RDR2 than GTAV, and although the engine/pipeline of RDR2 which is SGA supports DX11, the game itself is DX12 and vulcan only. I imagine if you ported/enabled DX11 for RDR2, it'd perform much like CP does in gtaonline right now, excluding any improvements from a new rage engine, etc.

 

You should already have them/be able to get them from the shop.

They aren't new

I tell you something, dense grass, bushes etc. is a thing in other DX11 games too, and in these games there isn't such a perfomance drop if being around it. The Far Cry series until Far Cry 5 is all DX11, it's only DX12 in the newest Far Cry 6. The Crysis series also has dense grass, bushes etc. sure it's old games, but they still perform good and have very dense foliage.

 

The vegetation on the Cayo Perico island is just badly optimized, i hardly think it has anything to do with the API, like @rollschuh2282 already mentioned, it's just polygons.

Edited May 7, 2022 by Mexicola9302

[needforsuv]

5 minutes ago, Mexicola9302 said:

I tell you something, dense grass, bushes etc. is a thing in other DX11 games too, and in these games there isn't such a perfomance drop if being around it. The Far Cry series until Far Cry 5 is all DX11, it's only DX12 in the newest Far Cry 6. The Crysis series also has dense grass, bushes etc. sure it's old games, but they still perform good and have very dense foliage.

 

The vegetation on the Cayo Perico island is just badly optimized, i hardly think it has anything to do with the API, like @rollschuh2282 already mentioned, it's just polygons.

Sure, but those polygons, densities and whatnot were only really tested on RDR with dx12 and vulcan

Not to mention LS doesn't have a forest as such

[touchedmysoul09]

2 minutes ago, Valiant ENT CEO said:

God this sh*t is so boring! I've done everything is this game... Over and Over. Every mission, heist, resupply, freemode mission. I bought everything. Spent like 1.5 billion dollars. Made rank 1400+ 

 

CAN WE JUST GET A NEW f*ckING GTA ALREADY?? What in the mk2 flying f*ck! 

 

...Oh, look... New time trials?!? Rockstar I'd like to kick you in the dick you limey bastards! LOL

Sadly, I think the introduction of GTA+ pretty much solidified R* has no plan on releasing a new GTA anytime soon.

[SummerFreeze]

4 hours ago, needforsuv said:

They were designed and optimised with DX12/Vulkan in mind

AKA, the draw calls and complexity etc targeted a smooth experience on those.

The same assets, density, obviously doesn't work well in an older engine

What I'm saying is, the way they're drawing so much different, dense, detailed foliage on CP is much more intense than in LS and could've easily been an island in RDR2.
That is to say, it's modeled more like something from RDR2 than GTAV, and although the engine/pipeline of RDR2 which is SGA supports DX11, the game itself is DX12 and vulcan only. I imagine if you ported/enabled DX11 for RDR2, it'd perform much like CP does in gtaonline right now, excluding any improvements from a new rage engine, etc.

How much experience do you have with computer graphics?

[Spider-Vice]

Dangerous topic for graphics programmers and artists to read, this one atm...

 

It's best we don't go too long about it  

[Gridl0k]

If it helps idgaf about how the bushes on CPH are made I just wish they'd f*cking bend a bit.