The B*tch & Moan Thread (Part 3)

[Shadowfennekin]

FINALLY got my million

Glad I don't have to submit a f*cking ticket like I did during the previous free money week fest last year

[HamwithCheese]

Instead of demanding a better game, the only thing we can do is glitch into a private lobby to play a multiplayer game by ourselves. 

 

There is something wrong with that.

[bigeggplant]

6 hours ago, Halal Cyborg said:

However who says it’s not about players helping each other.

Nobody said you can't play that way if you want to. I said, "GTA 5 Online is not a game where everyone is supposed to help each other, hold hands, and be best friends". In other words, there is no right or wrong way to play. Everyone is free to choose their type of gameplay. I can choose to voluntarily help you without being asked, I can accept or decline your request for help, or I can try to destroy you. All of these are decisions left up to the player. Yes, griefing is a legitimate part of the game. Only excessive griefing gets you punished and then you're just restricted to playing with other "Bad Sport"'s, if you can even call that punishment.

 

Don't forget, the only reason GTA 5 Online still exists is because it still makes R* money off it. If the intention was that everyone play nice & help each other out, it would be counter-productive to their business model. R* wants players to enjoy the game but also be just frustrated or impatient enough to pour money into shark cards. Don't think for a second that R* would rather you grind hard and earn money in-game to buy everything you want instead of people destroying your money making opportunities and you buying shark cards to compensate. R* could do a LOT more about griefing. It's no coincidence that they don't.

[theyorkshirejo]

3 hours ago, HamwithCheese said:

Instead of demanding a better game, the only thing we can do is glitch into a private lobby to play a multiplayer game by ourselves. 

 

There is something wrong with that.

I mean... we can do both 

[Halal Cyborg]

4 hours ago, bigeggplant said:

GTA 5 Online...help each other, hold hands, and be best friends...I can try to destroy you...griefing is a legitimate part of the game...GTA 5 Online...people destroying your money making opportunities...

Sad griefer noob Checklist complete...

 

calls it Gta 5 Online, refers to peaceful playstyle as holding hands...inflate blowing up sales to “Destroying you” as if it was somehow any kind of achievement of merit that reflects how powerful the twat on a noobstick is...defends griefing as being a legit playstyle and not a mental illness.

 

Incidentally I wouldn’t ask you for help but merely leave you alone to do your thing while I do mine...any normal person that hasn’t glitched money seems to get this now as it means we can both do our thing and make money...and given Rockstars main market for fishy plastic is kids I doubt they need much motivation to use daddy’s CC on file.

 

And good luck “Destroying me” I would just lag you/me solo and complete the sale but the inconvenience of losing a few extra grand is annoying no doubt.

 

nevertheless I have earned over a billion in game and own everything save for the past few drip feed across two characters and have $111m due to my playstyle.

 

if you’re focussing on blowing up sales for what $2500? (Never done it) and ammo then how do you make money?

 

And what’s your reason for doing it given it pays next to nothing?

 

Do you need to feel powerful?

Is that why you keep using the word “Destroy” because it sounds more impressive than being a sad ascetic for Rockstars business model?

Edited February 6, 2020 by Halal Cyborg

[NightShineDragon]

4 minutes ago, Halal Cyborg said:

Sad griefer noob Checklist complete...

 

calls it Gta 5 Online, refers to peaceful playstyle as holding hands...inflate blowing up sales to “Destroying you” as if it was somehow any kind of achievement of merit that reflects how powerful the twat on a noobstick is...defends griefing as being a legit playstyle and not a mental illness.

 

Incidentally I wouldn’t ask you for help but merely leave you alone to do your thing while I do mine...any normal person that hasn’t glitched money seems to get this now as it means we can both do our thing and make money...and given Rockstars main market for fishy plastic is kids I doubt they need much motivation to use daddy’s CC on file.

 

And good luck “Destroying me” I would just lag you/me solo and complete the sale but the inconvenience of losing a few extra grand is annoying no doubt.

 

nevertheless I have earned over a billion in game and own everything save for the past few drip feed across two characters and have $111m due to my playstyle.

 

if you’re focussing on blowing up sales for what $2500? (Never done it) and ammo then how do you make money?

 

And what’s your reason for doing it given it pays next to nothing?

 

Do you need to feel powerful?

Is that why you keep using the word “Destroy” because it sounds more impressive than being a sad ascetic for Rockstars business model?

we farm on races

[EkaSwede]

@Halal Cyborg You forgot to add this to your checklist: "Joined less than a week ago to probably just talk sh*t and act as if they know everything".

Edited February 6, 2020 by EkaSwede

[nealmac]

17 hours ago, bigeggplant said:

Solo public lobbies have no affect on the game what-so-ever. People who want to use them, use them. People who don't, don't. Nobody's game is ruined. "You" aren't affected by it in any way. People choosing to play solo public lobbies have zero impact on your game experience. You can't going on and on about "workarounds" not being "solutions" as if they're completely different things. They're not. They're simply different ways to address a problem but they have the same outcome and that's the only thing that matters to most people.

 

I know people who enjoy solo public lobbies for the simple fact that they can do what they want while enjoying the peace & quiet. Their session isn't artificially crippled just because they enjoy playing solo or with just friends. For them, solo public lobbies are the exact opposite to your claim they're "the worst thing that happened to this game".

 

Neither griefers nor the griefed are fully to blame. Griefers are responsible for attacking others offensively, usually without provocation. The griefed, if they do nothing about it, are responsible for taking no action against the griefing and are choosing to be victims. A griefer can choose to stop griefing, and the griefed can choose to use one of the many tools available to stop being griefed. That's just simple fact. The griefed are not helpless. They aren't without ways to defend themselves or outright avoid griefers. If a bully was kicking the sh*t out of you, would you just stand there with your arms at your side complaining about it? If so that would be a pretty dumb response and not many people are going to feel sorry for you not doing anything to defend yourself.

 

I think people easily forget that this game has tons of players, all varied in how they play and what they like about it. There are people who like to run missions and never be bothered. There are people who like to run missions with the challenge that others can try to stop them. There are people who like to play like it's an every-man-for-himself battlefield. There are people who like to roam the map doing random things, just `living` their GTA 5 life. There are people who are into collecting achievements & collectibles. This list can go on all day but you get the point.. The game will NEVER be perfect for anyone no matter how you play. Suggesting that there's a right or wrong way to play is idiotic. If you don't like the griefing or war games, take action and avoid them! If you like griefing and war games, you'll likely earn yourself the Bad Sport badge and be restricted to playing with others like you. The fact that GTA 5 caters to so many different types of players is a major factor in why it's still a popular game today. Yes, the game can be unbalanced in certain circumstances where more balance would be appreciated. But hell no the game should not just cater to only certain types of players or types of gameplay.

You completely missed his point. He mentions how it has gotten to the stage where people are being blamed for not utilising a completely unofficial workaround. It's victim blaming and it's pathetic. If an attractive young woman gets raped, would you make reference to the fact that she was wearing a low cut top or a short skirt, and therefore she was "asking" for it? I would like to assume that you wouldn't (although many idiots would). Obviously the extremities between rape and online griefing are very different, but the principles are very much the same.

Edited February 6, 2020 by nealmac

[Hécate-II]

The MKII is balanced and requires skills. Destroying Cargo is constuctive and a good money-maker. Stop whining and get good at the game. 

[Lusis]

3 minutes ago, Hécate-II said:

The MKII is balanced and requires skills. Destroying Cargo is constuctive and a good money-maker. Stop whining and get good at the game. 

 

[Yellow Dog with Cone]

8 hours ago, bigeggplant said:

Nobody said you can't play that way if you want to. I said, "GTA 5 Online is not a game where everyone is supposed to help each other, hold hands, and be best friends". In other words, there is no right or wrong way to play. Everyone is free to choose their type of gameplay. I can choose to voluntarily help you without being asked, I can accept or decline your request for help, or I can try to destroy you. All of these are decisions left up to the player. Yes, griefing is a legitimate part of the game. Only excessive griefing gets you punished and then you're just restricted to playing with other "Bad Sport"'s, if you can even call that punishment.

You gotta be f*cking kidding me...

 

No, griefing, a "playstyle" (if you can even call it that) that literally consists of making the game as unfun as possible to other players, is not a legitimate playstyle, it never was and it never should will, no matter how much R* tries to legitimize it or promote it by putting it up behind a thinly veil of "PvP" gameplay.

 

9 hours ago, bigeggplant said:

Don't forget, the only reason GTA 5 Online still exists is because it still makes R* money off it. If the intention was that everyone play nice & help each other out, it would be counter-productive to their business model. R* wants players to enjoy the game but also be just frustrated or impatient enough to pour money into shark cards. Don't think for a second that R* would rather you grind hard and earn money in-game to buy everything you want instead of people destroying your money making opportunities and you buying shark cards to compensate. R* could do a LOT more about griefing. It's no coincidence that they don't.

Just because R*'s intention of putting us against each other, taking advantage of the inherent toxicity of a game like this, is for monetary gain it doesn't make it a good thing, actually, it's the opposite.

 

Even then, who the f*ck cares about what R* thinks or wants anyway? Why do we have to accept that the poor AAA company needs to make money somehow and that somehow justifies turning the game into a mess and using online assholes as their paidless goons?

 

Stop trying to play devil's advocate so badly please, it makes you look bad.

[NULL AND VOID]

I hate how people leave the session immediately after a business battle. Scared to come out of their Nightclub cause "hereeeee's Johnny'"

 

Just because you took them from me doesnt mean Im going to rape you on the outside. I swear most these little kids will only play if they have some super automatic I WIN button...this game..and I know it's just a game but I think it's teaching real life bad habits

[Boozey St John]

1 hour ago, NULL AND VOID said:

I hate how people leave the session immediately after a business battle. Scared to come out of their Nightclub cause "hereeeee's Johnny'"

 

Just because you took them from me doesnt mean Im going to rape you on the outside. I swear most these little kids will only play if they have some super automatic I WIN button...this game..and I know it's just a game but I think it's teaching real life bad habits

"Rape you on the outside."

 

Well, that's a new and exciting sentence. 

[theyorkshirejo]

I used to know some people that would only go in public sessions to grief/kill people (you know the ones, white hair, red eyes, black outfits, invisible ankles, obsessed with KD) and they were ALWAYS the ones complaining about it being super hard to make money. 
I’d invite them to join my solo session where I was making a ton of $ but no, they wanted to stay and destroy every other players sh*t for $2k. 

[suicidal_banana]

Double pay on stunt races

HNNNNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

[Sil3ntWr4th_-]

DAFUQQQ? This dude was cease to be visible but his blip was still presented on the map, how peculiar...

How in the hell did this plonker decimate me when I clearly eradicated him first.

I should have triumphed that gunfight.....

f*ck you rockstar!!!

 

[The Real Firebanshee]

7 hours ago, nealmac said:

You completely missed his point. He mentions how it has gotten to the stage where people are being blamed for not utilising a completely unofficial workaround. It's victim blaming and it's pathetic. If an attractive young woman gets raped, would you make reference to the fact that she was wearing a low cut top or a short skirt, and therefore she was "asking" for it? I would like to assume that you wouldn't (although many idiots would). Obviously the extremities between rape and online griefing are very different, but the principles are very much the same.

what if that woman kept going to a Hells Angels hangout and everyone who cared about them warned them over and over again not to because it was dangerous.  at what f*cking point are people required to take responsibility for their actions?  we're all victims of this existence in some way or the other...doesn't mean you don't share responsibility for what happens to you.  

 

im not necessarily defending griefing, (and definately not rape you tards who thought that)  ...just making a point.  

 

Personally I don't even agree with what most GTA players consider griefing, but no matter what, the responsibility of what happens in a controlled online environment should mostly be put on the game designers, not the players.  I mean, spawn camping is just petty, and things like that, the low hanging fruit, are obnoxious...but again, I still feel like this responsibility is squarely on the game's design. 

 

You think your moral position on the matter lends credence to your viewpoint, and so justifies your judgement of other people.  The word "toxic" gets thrown around these forums like a ball at pre-season training.  It's almost lost meaning.  Its such a simplistic look at people and their behavior.  In your mind, anyone who goes around and just kills people for fun, without any "in game" reward is griefing, and therefor a scumbag in real life.  Neither of those things are necessarily true. 

 

 

So...WHO THE f*ck ARE YOU TO TELL PEOPLE HOW THEY SHOULD ENJOY A GAME?  How is your position more relevant than theirs?  Why are you more entitled to enjoy the game the way you want to more than any other person?  Is your money somehow greener than theirs?  

 

the only thing you should take issue with is the game's design.  ...and stop perpetuating the "toxicity", you proclaim to loathe, with your real-life judgements of people you don't know anything about.

 

Nature always tries to expose the weak, and then eliminate them.  Nature is everything...even video games are nature...the house you live in is nature...everything ever created by man is nature...nothing exists outside of nature.  what ever behavior you experience in this existence is part of nature and specifically, evolution.  It manifests in every facet of your life, whether you make that connection or not.  you can either eat, or be eaten.  intellectualization (thats not actually a word) never trumps instinct.

 

just to note.  I've never griefed anyone, ever, in any game.  It's just not stylish.  but I don't think I'm a better person than someone who does.  I actually laugh at the carebears too sometime.  I consider myself to be a thoughtful, caring person.  I have empathy.  I'm respectful.  I don't take things that aren't mine...ect.  Who the hell never laughed at the kid banging his keyboard around and screaming at the top of his lungs.  I can't even fully articulate why thats funny, but I know for a god damn fact that I'm not bad person because I think it is.

 

of course there are griefers who are scumbags in real life, but just griefing a player online (talking trash and whatnot excluded), even if entirely intentional, does not a bad person make.  sorry to burst your bubble.

 

EDIT:  @nealmac  I sort of used your post as a sounding board.  My post is to everyone.  I didn't mean to single you out, and haven't read enough of your posts to know how much of it applies to you, so I apologize if it doesn't.

 

Edited February 6, 2020 by The Real Firebanshee

[theyorkshirejo]

I get the argument everyone is trying to make but maybe can we not start comparing getting killed in a video game to rape 

[Yellow Dog with Cone]

24 minutes ago, The Real Firebanshee said:

what if that woman kept going to a Hells Angels hangout and everyone who cared about them warned them over and over again not to because it was dangerous.

Still not her fault. Hell (pun unintended), even if she literally asked for it, it would still not be her fault.

 

What the f*ck does rape has to do with this anyway?

 

25 minutes ago, The Real Firebanshee said:

Personally I don't even agree with what most GTA players consider griefing, but no matter what, the responsibility of what happens in a controlled online environment should mostly be put on the game designers, not the players.  I mean, spawn camping is just petty, and things like that, the low hanging fruit, are obnoxious...but again, I still feel like this responsibility is squarely on the game's design. 

Both the developers and the players are to blame, the former for fostering a hostile online enviroment in the name of profit and the players who indulge in said hostility.

 

Obviously, the players will be as dicks as the developers let them be, but that doesn't excempt them from the responsability for their actions ingame.

 

28 minutes ago, The Real Firebanshee said:

You think your moral position on the matter lends credence to your viewpoint, and so justifies your judgement of other people.  The word "toxic" gets thrown around these forums like a ball at pre-season training.  It's almost lost meaning.  Its such a simplistic look at people and their behavior.  In your mind, anyone who goes around and just kills people for fun, without any "in game" reward is griefing, and therefor a scumbag in real life.  Neither of those things are necessarily true. 

But, it actually does. It's not a giant leap in logic to think that someone who's a dick ingame may be also a dick in real life or at the very least wishes to be one but can't and vents his frustration on other players.

 

30 minutes ago, The Real Firebanshee said:

So...WHO THE f*ck ARE YOU TO TELL PEOPLE HOW THEY SHOULD ENJOY A GAME?  How is your position more relevant than theirs?  Why are you more entitled to enjoy the game the way you want to more than any other person?  Is your money somehow greener than theirs?  

 

31 minutes ago, The Real Firebanshee said:

Nature always tries to expose the weak, and then eliminate them.  Nature is everything...even video games are nature...the house you live in is nature...everything ever created by man is nature...nothing exists outside of nature.  what ever behavior you experience in this existence is part of nature and specifically, evolution.  It manifests in every facet of your life, whether you make that connection or not.  you can either eat, or be eaten.  intellectualization (thats not actually a word) never trumps instinct.

Videogames aren't nature though, and unless it's a simulation, they shouldn't try to be like that. People play games to relieve themselves from real life issues, why should a videogame remind then that life sucks?

 

32 minutes ago, The Real Firebanshee said:

just to note.  I've never griefed anyone, ever, in any game.  It's just not stylish.  but I don't think I'm a better person than someone who does.  I actually laugh at the carebears too sometime.  I consider myself to be a thoughtful, caring person.  I have empathy.  I'm respectful.  I don't take things that aren't mine...ect.  Who the hell never laughed at the kid banging his keyboard around and screaming at the top of his lungs.  I can't even fully articulate why thats funny, but I know for a god damn fact that I'm not bad person because I think it is.

You're not a bad person for laughing at someone's misfortune, but you would be if you laugh at someone's misfortune that you just created.

 

33 minutes ago, The Real Firebanshee said:

of course there are griefers who are scumbags in real life, but just griefing a player online (talking trash and whatnot excluded), even if entirely intentional, does not a bad person make.  sorry to burst your bubble.

It actually does, online anonimity brings out the worst in people, it's not surprising that well behaved people irl show their true colors when gaming of all things.

[bigeggplant]

10 hours ago, Halal Cyborg said:

Sad griefer noob Checklist complete...

How convenient you delete everything from my post and edit it in a way to be a misleading fake quote to suit your fake narrative. That only thing you accomplished is writing a response to your own imagination. Good job.

 

10 hours ago, Halal Cyborg said:

 

calls it Gta 5 Online, refers to peaceful playstyle as holding hands...inflate blowing up sales to “Destroying you” as if it was somehow any kind of achievement of merit that reflects how powerful the twat on a noobstick is...defends griefing as being a legit playstyle and not a mental illness.

I never referred to peaceful playstyle as holding hands. Your comprehension is horrible.

 

10 hours ago, Halal Cyborg said:

Incidentally I wouldn’t ask you for help but merely leave you alone to do your thing while I do mine...any normal person that hasn’t glitched money seems to get this now as it means we can both do our thing and make money...and given Rockstars main market for fishy plastic is kids I doubt they need much motivation to use daddy’s CC on file.

Who cares? How you play is irrelevant to me.

 

10 hours ago, Halal Cyborg said:

And good luck “Destroying me” I would just lag you/me solo and complete the sale but the inconvenience of losing a few extra grand is annoying no doubt.

I couldn't care less about "destroying" you.

 

10 hours ago, Halal Cyborg said:

nevertheless I have earned over a billion in game and own everything save for the past few drip feed across two characters and have $111m due to my playstyle.

Is anyone supposed to care you have a tiny wang and unimpressive stats? Quick! Post your KD ratio, maybe that will make you one of the "cool kids"!

 

10 hours ago, Halal Cyborg said:

if you’re focussing on blowing up sales for what $2500? (Never done it) and ammo then how do you make money?

And what’s your reason for doing it given it pays next to nothing?

I haven't blown up peoples sales in years, what are you talking about? Wait, what year do you think this is?

 

10 hours ago, Halal Cyborg said:

Do you need to feel powerful?

Is that why you keep using the word “Destroy” because it sounds more impressive than being a sad ascetic for Rockstars business model?

Need to feel powerful? You realize GTA 5 is a video game right? Are you even old enough to play it? I have to ask because you keep exaggerating & being dramatic, which reminds me of how little kids or maybe tweens act. Why do I keep using the word "destroy"? Well, .... because it describes what some players do to other players goods, cargo, deliveries, vehicles, etc. You do realize the game itself refers to these things as being "destroyed" right? Just earlier today I was joyriding a new car I bought and was blown up. The game told me my vehicle "has been destroyed", it didn't say my vehicle "has been forcefully disassembled and is no longer able to be used". Who knew using the games own terminology was sooooooooo controversial?!

[askinnywhitedildo]

I love watching people argue over griefers. 

 

This is why people grief, because the majority will just eat it up and bitch about it, further fueling the troll inside the griefer. 

[The Real Firebanshee]

11 minutes ago, YELLOW ZOOMER WITH DRONE said:

Still not her fault. Hell (pun unintended), even if she literally asked for it, it would still not be her fault.

 

What the f*ck does rape has to do with this anyway?

 

Both the developers and the players are to blame, the former for fostering a hostile online enviroment in the name of profit and the players who indulge in said hostility.

 

Obviously, the players will be as dicks as the developers let them be, but that doesn't excempt them from the responsability for their actions ingame.

 

But, it actually does. It's not a giant leap in logic to think that someone who's a dick ingame may be also a dick in real life or at the very least wishes to be one but can't and vents his frustration on other players.

 

 

Videogames aren't nature though, and unless it's a simulation, they shouldn't try to be like that. People play games to relieve themselves from real life issues, why should a videogame remind then that life sucks?

 

You're not a bad person for laughing at someone's misfortune, but you would be if you laugh at someone's misfortune that you just created.

 

It actually does, online anonimity brings out the worst in people, it's not surprising that well behaved people irl show their true colors when gaming of all things.

your assuming I think, and others think, it is a hostile environment.  I don't think that.  

 

every counterpoint of yours is the exception.  is it not?

 

you've also already made the judgement that if anyone does anything to you you don't like, they are dicks.  again, I don't share that viewpoint

 

you're just full of judgement.  your projecting.  making huge assumptions based on your personal feelings.  and by all means, go ahead and make them, doesn't mean anything.  your truth doesn't change my truth.

 

go ahead, think what you want about people by only interacting with them in a game that is predicated on violent crime and criminals.  I think thats foolish and simplistic.

 

..and yes...everything is nature.  NOTHING EXISTS OUTSIDE OF NATURE!

Edited February 6, 2020 by The Real Firebanshee

[Yellow Dog with Cone]

7 minutes ago, The Real Firebanshee said:

your assuming I think, and others think, it is a hostile environment.  I don't think that.  

 

every counterpoint of yours is the exception.  is it not?

 

you've also already made the judgement that if anyone does anything to you you don't like, they are dicks.  again, I don't share that viewpoint

 

you're just full of judgement.  your projecting.  making huge assumptions based on your personal feelings.  and by all means, go ahead and make them, doesn't mean anything.  your truth doesn't change my truth.

 

go ahead, think what you want about people by only interacting with them in a game that is predicated on violent crime and criminals.  I think thats foolish and simplistic.

Mate, I'm not the one here trying to defend the griefers from criticism though, that's a weird hill to die on if you ask me.

 

8 minutes ago, askinnywhitedildo said:

I love watching people argue over griefers. 

 

This is why people grief, because the majority will just eat it up and bitch about it, further fueling the troll inside the griefer. 

You're giving griefers too much credit here, most of them aren't that smart or clever for that matter, they're just cretins who get off from being dicks to others because they're borderline sociopaths.

 

You truly think that if people don't pay attention to griefers (or trolls for that matter) they will go away? You're sorely mistaken. The only way to truly get rid of them is to deny them a platform to troll in the first place. Ban all the griefers, suddenly there's no griefing, it's that simple.

Edited February 6, 2020 by YELLOW ZOOMER WITH DRONE
Destroying griefer apologists with FACTS and LOGIC

[askinnywhitedildo]

6 minutes ago, YELLOW ZOOMER WITH DRONE said:

Ban all the griefers, suddenly there's no griefing, it's that simple.

You're going to ban them? For playing the game? 

[The Real Firebanshee]

Just now, YELLOW ZOOMER WITH DRONE said:

Mate, I'm not the one here trying to defend the griefers from criticism though, that's a weird hill to die on if you ask me.

your missing the through line here.  We do not agree on what a griefer is.  so, really were at impasse with this discourse.

 

what i was saying is that what most people view as griefers, I do not.  SO i am not defending any griefers.

 

 I'm sure you're right though.  I mean your opinion on what a griefer is has to have more weight than mine, because you are a better person than me, and smarter, and probably better looking.  right? 

 

the real point is that no matter what you think.  Only the developers can change things.  Unless you think you can just radically change the behavior of the entire human species with a wink and a snap.   otherwise I guess you'll just have to go on being a victim.  I choose not to be a victim.

[Yellow Dog with Cone]

Just now, askinnywhitedildo said:

You're going to ban them? For playing the game? 

Not for playing the game, but for making the game unplayable to others, they deserve it.

[Sil3ntWr4th_-]

30 minutes ago, bigeggplant said:

How convenient you delete everything from my post and edit it in a way to be a misleading fake quote to suit your fake narrative. That only thing you accomplished is writing a response to your own imagination. Good job.

 

I never referred to peaceful playstyle as holding hands. Your comprehension is horrible.

 

Who cares? How you play is irrelevant to me.

 

I couldn't care less about "destroying" you.

 

Is anyone supposed to care you have a tiny wang and unimpressive stats? Quick! Post your KD ratio, maybe that will make you one of the "cool kids"!

 

I haven't blown up peoples sales in years, what are you talking about? Wait, what year do you think this is?

 

Need to feel powerful? You realize GTA 5 is a video game right? Are you even old enough to play it? I have to ask because you keep exaggerating & being dramatic, which reminds me of how little kids or maybe tweens act. Why do I keep using the word "destroy"? Well, .... because it describes what some players do to other players goods, cargo, deliveries, vehicles, etc. You do realize the game itself refers to these things as being "destroyed" right? Just earlier today I was joyriding a new car I bought and was blown up. The game told me my vehicle "has been destroyed", it didn't say my vehicle "has been forcefully disassembled and is no longer able to be used". Who knew using the games own terminology was sooooooooo controversial?!

The only person who is acting like a kid is you mate, how about you stop disrespecting @YELLOW ZOOMER WITH DRONE and @Halal Cyborg and keep sh*t a bit more civilized/professional.

don't get so triggered just because their perspectives are more truer than yours.

9 minutes ago, YELLOW ZOOMER WITH DRONE said:

Not for playing the game, but for making the game unplayable to others, they deserve it.

I 10000000% agree, they should be banned.

Edited February 6, 2020 by PicklePrick

[askinnywhitedildo]

1 minute ago, YELLOW ZOOMER WITH DRONE said:

Not for playing the game, but for making the game unplayable to others, they deserve it.

It's Grand Theft Auto. It's just something we have to deal with. 

 

And I don't even see how this a problem for most of us anymore. For those who have been here for as long as most of us have, we can spot these dickheads a mile away. For noobies or weaker players it's different I guess. But they just have to learn to adapt. If a dumbass level 100 decides to sell in a lobby with 27 people in it, with a guy named xIIIIIIIIIIx who is white haired and red eyed, who are you really going to blame? 

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10 hours ago, EkaSwede said:

@Halal Cyborg You forgot to add this to your checklist: "Joined less than a week ago to probably just talk sh*t and act as if they know everything".

Spoken like someone who is truly ignorant and clueless. Some day, when you're able to grow facial hair, you'll realize that people who post opinions you disagree with aren't `talking sh*t`. As far as anyone acting like they know everything... You should stop doing it, you're making a fool of yourself.

 

8 hours ago, nealmac said:

You completely missed his point. He mentions how it has gotten to the stage where people are being blamed for not utilising a completely unofficial workaround. It's victim blaming and it's pathetic. If an attractive young woman gets raped, would you make reference to the fact that she was wearing a low cut top or a short skirt, and therefore she was "asking" for it? I would like to assume that you wouldn't (although many idiots would). Obviously the extremities between rape and online griefing are very different, but the principles are very much the same.

I haven't missed anyone's point despite how fragile and not well-thought out some of them are. Anyone with any sense & maturity understands that a "victim" who willingly puts themselves in danger, or choosing to do nothing to prevent or stop an aggression against them is partially responsible. If you choose to run across the freeway while traffic is whizzing by, and get hit, you can't say you aren't partially to blame for getting hit and it's purely the drivers fault. If someone is running at you with a knife and you just stand there doing nothing, and get stabbed, you can't say your lack of action didn't contribute to you being stabbed. That is not victim blaming. In no way does it suggest the offender isn't responsible for their actions - obviously they are. It means that *you* are responsible for *your* actions, or lack thereof. See how it works?

 

 

6 hours ago, YELLOW ZOOMER WITH DRONE said:

You gotta be f*cking kidding me...

Absolutely not.

 

6 hours ago, YELLOW ZOOMER WITH DRONE said:

No, griefing, a "playstyle" (if you can even call it that) that literally consists of making the game as unfun as possible to other players, is not a legitimate playstyle, it never was and it never should will, no matter how much R* tries to legitimize it or promote it by putting it up behind a thinly veil of "PvP" gameplay.

Griefing *is* a legitimate playstyle whether you agree or not. It is an intentional built-in mechanic of the game designed to encourage continuous monetary spending by players. Dislike it all you want but it is certainly a legitimate & purposeful aspect of gameplay.

 

6 hours ago, YELLOW ZOOMER WITH DRONE said:

Just because R*'s intention of putting us against each other, taking advantage of the inherent toxicity of a game like this, is for monetary gain it doesn't make it a good thing, actually, it's the opposite.

 

Even then, who the f*ck cares about what R* thinks or wants anyway? Why do we have to accept that the poor AAA company needs to make money somehow and that somehow justifies turning the game into a mess and using online assholes as their paidless goons?

 

Stop trying to play devil's advocate so badly please, it makes you look bad.

The game, even after all these years, is still wildly popular and rolling in cash for R*. You're free to think it's some big mess with little entertainment value but clearly there are tons of other players who feel differently, acknowledge & accept it for what it is, and have fun with it.

 

As far as me "trying to play devils advocate so badly".. I'm not and I don't. I neither support nor disregard any aspect of the game over another. I wisely understand there is no right or wrong to play the game. It is simply a game designed to accommodate as wide a variety of different types of players as possible with the intention of maximizing profits for its creator. I certainly don't "look bad" for comprehending & accepting what the game is. But, the fact that you thinking your own personal `moral compass` dictates what the game is and isn't, and what's right and what's wrong, certainly does make you look bad. More than that, it makes you look like a complete adolescent fool.

[The Real Firebanshee]

38 minutes ago, YELLOW ZOOMER WITH DRONE said:

Mate, I'm not the one here trying to defend the griefers from criticism though, that's a weird hill to die on if you ask me.

 

You're giving griefers too much credit here, most of them aren't that smart or clever for that matter, they're just cretins who get off from being dicks to others because they're borderline sociopaths.

 

You truly think that if people don't pay attention to griefers (or trolls for that matter) they will go away? You're sorely mistaken. The only way to truly get rid of them is to deny them a platform to troll in the first place. Ban all the griefers, suddenly there's no griefing, it's that simple.

I'll gladly die on that hill.  Let me explain my position.

 

first of all, the anti-griefers can be just as toxic as the griefers.  I am way more bothered by them than I am the griefers.  I don't get griefed very often, and never had griefer send me messages or anything, and I have never griefed anyone. I have a grand total of about 90 player kills in 7 years of playing this game.  yeah.  ninety.

 

In the last month I've killed 4 random players.  EVERY SINGLE ONE of those people thought I was griefing them and proceeded to make it their lifes work to f*ck with me, send me messages threatening to kill my family and dox me and blah, blah, blah.

 

so, if i was just give my anecdotal experience, it would be the exact opposite of yours, seemingly.  In my experience, the anti-griefers are a thousand times worse.  Now thats anecdotal, sure, but I'm just trying let you know that Im not trying to defend anything other than what I see as the truth, which is, yeah, plenty of assholes in the world, I just don't think you can make that call just because someone griefed you in a video game.  I just dont.

 

again, I want to reitterate that we don't see eye-to-eye on what a griefer is.

 

for you its safe to assume, based on your experiences, that griefers are pricks in real life.  so, based on my experiences, according to your "logic", as you call it, I should safely assume anti-griefers are pricks in real life to.   so, I guess evryone is a prick, no matter what side they are on.   

 

it's really the morality argument that gets me.  I just don't think your right that everyone that you consider to be griefer to be a scumbag.  I think you are terribly naive and have misconceptions about human behavior.  

 

 

 

Edited February 6, 2020 by The Real Firebanshee
so my horrible scribble makes sense.