The B*tch & Moan Thread (Part 3)

[Dr.Rosenthal]

@ArrestedDuringHaircut

 

Pure and proper B&M if I ever saw one

 

I gotta second the CoD style PvP in public sessions, some weapons, equipment, abilities/features, and vehicles have completely ruined tge competitive playfield. It’s sad, because there’s so much potential. But I feel I’ve bitched enough about all this in the past.

 

Gotta disagree about IV though, that game had just the gritty atmosphere that a GTA game should have in my opinion. V is too sunny (but apt for an LA parody still), and SA was too goofy for my taste, but yeah I loved it when I played it on the OG Xbox way back when.

[Agent 14]

15 minutes ago, Dr.Rosenthal said:

@ArrestedDuringHaircut

 

Pure and proper B&M if I ever saw one

 

I gotta second the CoD style PvP in public sessions, some weapons, equipment, abilities/features, and vehicles have completely ruined tge competitive playfield. It’s sad, because there’s so much potential. But I feel I’ve bitched enough about all this in the past.

 

Gotta disagree about IV though, that game had just the gritty atmosphere that a GTA game should have in my opinion. V is too sunny (but apt for an LA parody still), and SA was too goofy for my taste, but yeah I loved it when I played it on the OG Xbox way back when.

GTA 4 feels like the real new york ghetto and gritty while GTA 5 Los Santos is mostly about the pretentious and shallow life of Los Angeles mostly Hollywood.

[Raj The Rager]

6 hours ago, CarimboHanky said:

you know whats worst than a player asking for more than 15%

 

a host that boot you after you helped with all the setups, so his friend can get some easy money!

 

f*ck that sh*t, never again!

People actually do that sh*t? Maybe I'm overreacting but I believe there should be a rule against that.

[wizooord]

9 hours ago, Chamberpotcleanerman20 said:

Nice rant and cool stories of you being this "generous" person. I could care less what you think of me. You come into my game when I pull up my heist finale and you didn't help with any preparation that 15 % is what you're walking away with (Unless I'm pretty desperate and normally I'm not) or you could just leave (especially if it's one of the doomsday heist)  I'm not going to just give out cuts that could go to someone who's actually earned it and has been putting work since the beginning. That's not fair.

So basically you're cheap and you needed a whole thread for other cheap people to pat you on the head. That's fine. I just don't agree with you. 15% Is an insult in my opinion. How I see things, I don't need you. You need me. There are thousands of invites coming in, If I really want a bigger cut I won't ask for it I'll just leave and try my luck again. You can wait for someone who doesn't know their value to come along and help you out. Everybody's a winner.

 

6 hours ago, Agent 14 said:

Again what makes you think you're entitled to a 20% cut for joining a finale? You didn't do a goddamned thing to help the host get there. Now if we're talking about the Doomsday scenerio I'll gladly accept and give you up to 30 or even 40 if it's only us two whether you helped or not. But as far as regular heist goes nah. You taking that 15 for not helping or that 20 for helping if not I'll wait till someone else joins.

I don't think "I am" entitled to a 20%, I think everybody is, at all times. If you don't wanna throw the extra incentive, don't. I just think giving 15% to people is nasty. Regardless of "who" or "what" or "how much help" that all means sh*t. Either you're a cool appreciative host or you're a cheap host and that's that.

[Raj The Rager]

43 minutes ago, Agent 14 said:

GTA 4 feels like the real new york ghetto and gritty while GTA 5 Los Santos is mostly about the pretentious and shallow life of Los Angeles mostly Hollywood.

As a native New Yorker I could easily say it doesn't completely feel like the real deal. There are a lot of areas missing,  Algonquin which is supposed to be Manhattan is oversized compared to the other Boroughs and the gangs give off a 90's vibe although it takes place in 2008. 

[CarimboHanky]

45 minutes ago, Chamberpotcleanerman20 said:

People actually do that sh*t? Maybe I'm overreacting but I believe there should be a rule against that.

yep, i did setups once with a random dude, when we got to the finale, he gave me the boot, so his friends could join the finale.

[Raj The Rager]

32 minutes ago, wizooord said:

So basically you're cheap and you needed a whole thread for other cheap people to pat you on the head. That's fine. I just don't agree with you. 15% Is an insult in my opinion. How I see things, I don't need you. You need me. There are thousands of invites coming in, If I really want a bigger cut I won't ask for it I'll just leave and try my luck again. You can wait for someone who doesn't know their value to come along and help you out. Everybody's a winner.

 

I don't think "I am" entitled to a 20%, I think everybody is, at all times. If you don't wanna throw the extra incentive, don't. I just think giving 15% to people is nasty. Regardless of "who" or "what" or "how much help" that all means sh*t. Either you're a cool appreciative host or you're a cheap host and that's that.

Wrong. I'm not cheap I just feel you should earn your keep. 

"How I see things, I don't need you. You need me."

This is excellent why I called you arrogant and entitled. You think your sh*t don't stink and if things don't go your way the host is a total asshole. 

 

Let me bridge to real life. Say you're a tech and you and your pal are tasked by a customer to set up and program numbers of PCs and printers for their company. The payout's huge but you two have to split it. You work your asses off and you're almost done. Then another tech you wants in to help to finish installing the rest. You give  him a lower cut then your pal because he's been there from the beginning pulling his weight. Yet the guy you pulled aboard has a major problem with that and is saying you're being selfish and greedy. See where I'm coming from now?

 

[wizooord]

19 minutes ago, Chamberpotcleanerman20 said:

Wrong. I'm not cheap I just feel you should earn your keep. 

"How I see things, I don't need you. You need me."

This is excellent why I called you arrogant and entitled. You think your sh*t don't stink and if things don't go your way the host is a total asshole. 

 

Let me bridge to real life. Say you're a tech and you and your pal are tasked by a customer to set up and program numbers of PCs and printers for their company. The payout's huge but you two have to split it. You work your asses off and you're almost done. Then another tech you wants in to help to finish installing the rest. You give  him a lower cut then your pal because he's been there from the beginning pulling his weight. Yet the guy you pulled aboard has a major problem with that and is saying you're being selfish and greedy. See where I'm coming from now?

 

Not really. Your "been there" pal got all the cuts for all the preps, what's that got to do with me? If you feel like you don't want to pay a decent cut just because I haven't been there from the start feel free to find someone else. I feel the heist isn't worth it for 15% for various reasons. 20% Is nice, I can get behind that.

I don't think I'm arrogant nor entitled. I just think 15% is cheap. And yeah if you keep it at 15% I will think you're an asshole. You think below 15% is "Cyber labor" and I think it's below 20%.

I don't think I should "earn my keep" when there are plenty of more reasonable folk willing to part with 5-15% of their cut just so that players who came to HELP them don't feel like they're being used.

 

Oh and I believe my sh*t stinks just as much as anyone else's. I just don't wanna stay and smell unnecessary sh*t if I can avoid it.

Edited June 22, 2019 by wizooord

[Big Molio]

17 minutes ago, Chamberpotcleanerman20 said:

Wrong. I'm not cheap I just feel you should earn your keep. 

"How I see things, I don't need you. You need me."

This is excellent why I called you arrogant and entitled. You think your sh*t don't stink and if things don't go your way the host is a total asshole. 

 

Let me bridge to real life. Say you're a tech and you and your pal are tasked by a customer to set up and program numbers of PCs and printers for their company. The payout's huge but you two have to split it. You work your asses off and you're almost done. Then another tech you wants in to help to finish installing the rest. You give  him a lower cut then your pal because he's been there from the beginning pulling his weight. Yet the guy you pulled aboard has a major problem with that and is saying you're being selfish and greedy. See where I'm coming from now?

 

Players treating this game like real business is probably why a lot of them are miserable.

 

I used to give my heist helpers the biggest share and keep only a small cut for myself. They’ve given up their own play time to help when they could have been having fun elsewhere so why not? Easy come, easy go. It isn’t real money is it?

[El Payaso]

5 hours ago, ilovefreebird said:

Why even get upset about that? I was letting the guy know there was a dedicated topic for what he was talking about - looks like the mods agree because they merged the two. Calm down.

Because it gets lost among so many other posts.

[Yellow Dog with Cone]

29 minutes ago, Big Molio said:

Players treating this game like real business is probably why a lot of them are miserable.

People wouldn't treat this game like a damn job if the payouts for most game modes or activities were so low and ingame prices weren't so inflated for the hell of it.

[HamwithCheese]

43 minutes ago, Big Molio said:

Players treating this game like real business is probably why a lot of them are miserable.

That tends to happen when publishers start labeling games as "services".

[Agent 14]

53 minutes ago, wizooord said:

Not really. Your "been there" pal got all the cuts for all the preps, what's that got to do with me? If you feel like you don't want to pay a decent cut just because I haven't been there from the start feel free to find someone else. I feel the heist isn't worth it for 15% for various reasons. 20% Is nice, I can get behind that.

I don't think I'm arrogant nor entitled. I just think 15% is cheap. And yeah if you keep it at 15% I will think you're an asshole. You think below 15% is "Cyber labor" and I think it's below 20%.

I don't think I should "earn my keep" when there are plenty of more reasonable folk willing to part with 5-15% of their cut just so that players who came to HELP them don't feel like they're being used.

 

Oh and I believe my sh*t stinks just as much as anyone else's. I just don't wanna stay and smell unnecessary sh*t if I can avoid it.

Out of curiosity when you host how much give out regardless of skills rank and participation.

[Big Molio]

28 minutes ago, HamwithCheese said:

That tends to happen when publishers start labeling games as "services".

I think that we might be at cross purposes here fella

 

41 minutes ago, Voodoo-Hendrix said:

People wouldn't treat this game like a damn job if the payouts for most game modes or activities were so low and ingame prices weren't so inflated for the hell of it.

See above

 

You two are like some kind of double act. He’s steppin’, you’re fetchin’  

Edited June 22, 2019 by Big Molio

[Yellow Dog with Cone]

7 minutes ago, Big Molio said:

You two are like some kind of double act. He’s steppin’, you’re fetchin’  

God forbid two people on the internet arrive at the same conclusion.

[wizooord]

30 minutes ago, Agent 14 said:

Out of curiosity when you host how much give out regardless of skills rank and participation.

I don't host. And don't join either. Heists suck. But when I did host, 40-20-20-20.
And when I had 2 randoms with me to help with the new heists, 30-35-35.

Edited June 22, 2019 by wizooord

[Agent 14]

5 minutes ago, wizooord said:

I don't host. And don't join either. Heists suck. But when I did host, 40-20-20-20.
And when I had 2 randoms with me to help with the new heists, 30-35-35.

Oh okay.

 

Ill be honest but I'll ask for a 20% if I'm the only high level there and will be the one to carry the team because it's frustrating to just sit there after 10 tries of randoms screwing up I'd feel 15% would be not worth the hassle. Now if I see people around my rank then I'm perfectly fine with 15% in my opinion it depends on the situation. 

 

 

[HamwithCheese]

24 minutes ago, Voodoo-Hendrix said:

God forbid two people on the internet arrive at the same conclusion.

Yeah holy sh*t wouldn't it be crazy if 2 people agree on 1 thing on the internet? God wouldnt it be insane if thousands of people felt the same way about, not only this game, but the general direction this game paved the way to? Wow, thats so crazy.

Edited June 22, 2019 by HamwithCheese

[Big Molio]

39 minutes ago, Voodoo-Hendrix said:

God forbid two people on the internet arrive at the same conclusion.

A pair of comedians is what I had in mind Voodoo, but you’re right I suppose

[HamwithCheese]

9 minutes ago, Big Molio said:

A pair of comedians is what I had in mind Voodoo, but you’re right I suppose

You make me laugh too.

[Big Molio]

Just now, HamwithCheese said:

You make me laugh too.

I’ll be here all week

[Sentinel Driver]

Heists are a complete waste of time unless you have a dedicated team. You can make more money by doing a client job + high class vehicle export than by doing a regular heist (non doomsday) finale with 15% cut unless it's pac standard

Edited June 22, 2019 by Sentinel Driver

[jargonaut]

3 minutes ago, Sentinel Driver said:

Heists are a complete waste of time unless you have a dedicated team. You can make more money by doing a client job + high class vehicle export than by doing a regular heist (non doomsday) finale with 15% cut unless it's pac standard

This. I mean, anyone can get to 350k-400k/h profit per hour quite easily doing three I/Es per hour and some VIP work/Client Jobs/etc on the side. Even more if you count NC/Bunk/Etc sales. How many can reach the same level of steady income by heisting with Johnny Randos? Yes, you can get lucky here and there and land on several profitable finales in a row, but these are just peaks. It's as if not more likely to end up in Prison Break finale or Deliver EMP setup limbo until someone ragequits or just disconnects.

 

So if it's not about maximizing profits, it must be for fun, right? Yet reading some of these comments I kind of get the feeling that some people here expect maximum or at least high ROI for their time even when heisting with randos. With all due respect, that's a very one-sided way to look at rando heisting. For starters, not everyone is about building their personal bankroll. Many want to play casually, you know, actually enjoy the game. Then there are people who are still learning the game and job at hand, and want to play the missions themselves - not just wait and watch how some max. efficiency rambo runs through the level and/or gets pissy when someone dares to screw up somewhere.

 

What I'm trying to say here is that thanks to certain businesses and freeroam missions, there are many other, better ways to make bank. And if/when you have made a few GTAO friends, you can even go for max. profitability heisting with them. But pretty please, don't join rando heists, stomp your foot and expect everyone to just meet your expectations, whatever they may be. Be flexible and understanding, recognize other people's expectations, and just go with it and see how it all unfolds. Cause if you're not able to do this, chances are you are likely the one who forgot to bring the fun.

[wizooord]

17 minutes ago, jargonaut said:

This. I mean, anyone can get to 350k-400k/h profit per hour quite easily doing three I/Es per hour and some VIP work/Client Jobs/etc on the side. Even more if you count NC/Bunk/Etc sales. How many can reach the same level of steady income by heisting with Johnny Randos? Yes, you can get lucky here and there and land on several profitable finales in a row, but these are just peaks. It's as if not more likely to end up in Prison Break finale or Deliver EMP setup limbo until someone ragequits or just disconnects.

 

So if it's not about maximizing profits, it must be for fun, right? Yet reading some of these comments I kind of get the feeling that some people here expect maximum or at least high ROI for their time even when heisting with randos. With all due respect, that's a very one-sided way to look at rando heisting. For starters, not everyone is about building their personal bankroll. Many want to play casually, you know, actually enjoy the game. Then there are people who are still learning the game and job at hand, and want to play the missions themselves - not just wait and watch how some max. efficiency rambo runs through the level and/or gets pissy when someone dares to screw up somewhere.

 

What I'm trying to say here is that thanks to certain businesses and freeroam missions, there are many other, better ways to make bank. And if/when you have made a few GTAO friends, you can even go for max. profitability heisting with them. But pretty please, don't join rando heists, stomp your foot and expect everyone to just meet your expectations, whatever they may be. Be flexible and understanding, recognize other people's expectations, and just go with it and see how it all unfolds. Cause if you're not able to do this, chances are you are likely the one who forgot to bring the fun.

Listen to this man. Very well written.

[Lonely-Martin]

1 hour ago, jargonaut said:

This. I mean, anyone can get to 350k-400k/h profit per hour quite easily doing three I/Es per hour and some VIP work/Client Jobs/etc on the side. Even more if you count NC/Bunk/Etc sales. How many can reach the same level of steady income by heisting with Johnny Randos? Yes, you can get lucky here and there and land on several profitable finales in a row, but these are just peaks. It's as if not more likely to end up in Prison Break finale or Deliver EMP setup limbo until someone ragequits or just disconnects.

 

So if it's not about maximizing profits, it must be for fun, right? Yet reading some of these comments I kind of get the feeling that some people here expect maximum or at least high ROI for their time even when heisting with randos. With all due respect, that's a very one-sided way to look at rando heisting. For starters, not everyone is about building their personal bankroll. Many want to play casually, you know, actually enjoy the game. Then there are people who are still learning the game and job at hand, and want to play the missions themselves - not just wait and watch how some max. efficiency rambo runs through the level and/or gets pissy when someone dares to screw up somewhere.

 

What I'm trying to say here is that thanks to certain businesses and freeroam missions, there are many other, better ways to make bank. And if/when you have made a few GTAO friends, you can even go for max. profitability heisting with them. But pretty please, don't join rando heists, stomp your foot and expect everyone to just meet your expectations, whatever they may be. Be flexible and understanding, recognize other people's expectations, and just go with it and see how it all unfolds. Cause if you're not able to do this, chances are you are likely the one who forgot to bring the fun.

One huge positive for me with heists is how freemode has changed since crates arrived. Like you said, we can make great money in a lone session or among a populated lobby if that's your thing too, and it leaves heists with a higher chance of meeting better players too.

 

It's not flawless of course, but neither is freemode, but if co-op isn't something a player enjoys, they don't have to do jobs they dislike to make a bit of the 'good money' while potentially bored or frustrated more and could be a risk on a heist. 

 

I must admit, I absolutely love on call heisting (though haven't for a little while now). I've met so many players on a heist and many I look to add up. Some are a one and done thing, but I've made myself a nice group that all enjoy PvE/co-op at times. Some from here to that are similarly keen, especially in an event week. Pretty fun to learn how others do things their way too.

 

But even when it goes wrong, there's good entertainment in it depending on what and when etc. (Daft players, the game playing up, or even listening in on arguments/tactics). When ya just heisting because and don't really need anything to succeed, it's such a blast at times.

 

But nothing beats getting a crew together and smashing through some or hitting challenges.

Edited June 23, 2019 by Lonely-Martin
Wording.

[theyorkshirejo]

This is why I don’t do heists lmao by the time y’all have finished arguing about who gets what cut, who’s doing what role and then inevitably failed the heists a few times (usually because of a dumb mistake from the noob who was demanding a higher cut ironically) I’ve already done a ton of vip jobs and even biker contracts and made about the same amount 

[kcole4001]

29 minutes ago, xjodielaura said:

This is why I don’t do heists lmao by the time y’all have finished arguing about who gets what cut, who’s doing what role and then inevitably failed the heists a few times (usually because of a dumb mistake from the noob who was demanding a higher cut ironically) I’ve already done a ton of vip jobs and even biker contracts and made about the same amount 

Exactly!

Everyone runs around panting "we need more heists, we need more heists", nobody plays them unless they're double money, and then the next week is nothing but complaints when no one can complete a heist because of all the advanced clusterf*ckery that ensues. (that's my new word, feel free to use it everyone )

[EkaSwede]

I'm pretty sure the DD heists were less appreciated because of the very buffed up AI. Yeah, the regular heist also has quite the strong AI, but nowhere close to DoomsDay.

[Lonely-Martin]

9 hours ago, kcole4001 said:

Exactly!

Everyone runs around panting "we need more heists, we need more heists", nobody plays them unless they're double money, and then the next week is nothing but complaints when no one can complete a heist because of all the advanced clusterf*ckery that ensues. (that's my new word, feel free to use it everyone )

We do. Certainly don't need yet another boring business out there, lol. But we need more of everything pretty much except maybe adversary modes.

 

Many heist, just if you ain't there, you'll not see it. Many don't anymore because freemode got so profitable and easy (AFK FTW ), otherwise folk would be heisting more. But I'm glad the folk that don't like them don't feel compelled anymore because it clears the road for those that enjoy these and less chance of meeting pissed off gamers.

1 hour ago, EkaSwede said:

I'm pretty sure the DD heists were less appreciated because of the very buffed up AI. Yeah, the regular heist also has quite the strong AI, but nowhere close to DoomsDay.

Yeah, lol  DDH was widely praised because of its flexibility... And then folk got to act 2, lol. 

 

In fairness though, that CEO quit bug is another real hurdle with these too. It was a great idea on paper, but somehow R* managed to mess it up.

 

It is a bit annoying they don't fix some glaring issues with this game.

[Geisterfaust]

I treat heists as a highly coordinated co-op with more defined roleplay approach, that's all. I've joined random heists occasionally just for the laugh of hilarious failures and stupidity. All the serious heisting was done either for fun or for profit for those who are doing CMM.