The B*tch & Moan Thread (Part 3)

[Neo 2708]

So I'm minding my own business going to collect for a supply run and suddenly I'm blown up by a low level in a Deluxo. I spawn back in, check the map and cant see anyone near by, then I'm sniped by him. Spawn back in and check the map again, still cant see him.... boom, blown up again. Spawn back in and think I'd better go passive, nope cant do that as I'm on a supply run and cant quite CEO until the timer runs out ffs.

Finally i manage to get some cover and turn the thermo goggles on, now i can see where he is even though he still isn't on the map. So, out with the heavy sniper with exploding rounds and proceed to blast him.........and he doesn't die. Yep, you guessed it, the bastard is griefing the whole lobby in god mode and permanently off the radar. What a complete asshole, as i had no way of fighting him back, i had no option but to leave and find a new lobby, which pissed me off.... I hate that glitch.  

[kenmy13999]

8 hours ago, Chamberpotcleanerman20 said:

^This is the type of entitled stuck up people I'm talking about. Don't want to help with any type of preparation but wants you bend over backwards and kiss their ass, because they feel their worth more.

Did you ever think about they might just get the invite to the finale and not the setups?  It's a possibility they would've helped if they got any invites to the setups, matchmaking is terrible..

[Raj The Rager]

10 minutes ago, kenmy13999 said:

Did you ever think about they might just get the invite to the finale and not the setups?  It's a possibility they would've helped if they got any invites to the setups, matchmaking is terrible..

And how am I supposed to know that? Here me and my boys are busting our asses for the last 2 hours preparing for this sh*t than some random dude is expecting me to give a 25% cut and when I refuse and give them a valid reason why, they get mad and leave or sabotage the heist. That's what a lot of heist hoppers do and I'm sick of it.

Edited June 22, 2019 by Chamberpotcleanerman20

[CrysisAverted]

Want to play my owned copy of GTAV on PC

have to logon

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enter details

have to solve captcha

*sigh*

 

I know its not much to ask to be able to play a game I own without feeding google data and having to sign in all the time.

[kenmy13999]

1 minute ago, Chamberpotcleanerman20 said:

And how am I supposed to know that. Here me and my boys are busting our asses for the last 2 hours than some random dude is expecting me to give 25% cut and when I refuse and them a valid reason why get mad and leave or sabotage the heist. That's what a lot of heist hoppers do and I'm sick of it.

If you're struggling and using two hours you might want to think about at least giving the person joining 20%

But how do you know that's not the case, I just gave you another scenario than the one you seemed to have thought of

I'm not saying you're wrong or anything either tho.

Do you feel it's worse giving a person 15% knowing that person might screw you over making you waste more time or is better to just give 20% and get it done so you can start a new one? 

[Raj The Rager]

14 minutes ago, kenmy13999 said:

If you're struggling and using two hours you might want to think about at least giving the person joining 20%

But how do you know that's not the case, I just gave you another scenario than the one you seemed to have thought of

I'm not saying you're wrong or anything either tho.

Do you feel it's worse giving a person 15% knowing that person might screw you over making you waste more time or is better to just give 20% and get it done so you can start a new one? 

I was talking about preparing for the Heist not losing. Doing prep missions and set ups. It depends on the situation. If I need someone and you're pretty skilled and I know you won't f*ck up, alright we could talk percentage. But if you just joined my heist demanding me to just give you anything higher than 15% and I don't know you from adam or eve and to make it worse you're some newbie it's not happening.

Edited June 22, 2019 by Chamberpotcleanerman20

[Standard Deluxe 59]

30 minutes ago, CrysisAverted said:

Want to play my owned copy of GTAV on PC

have to logon

*sigh*

enter details

have to solve captcha

*sigh*

 

I know its not much to ask to be able to play a game I own without feeding google data and having to sign in all the time.

What happens if you try to play it without an internet connection?

[Raj The Rager]

4 hours ago, wizooord said:

Umm... No it isn't.

Have you read what I wrote at all?

I don't ask for more %. I ready up and if the host is not a total asshole he WILL up it to 20% because 15% is frankly disrespectful. To ANY rank with ANY skill level.

And I have no idea what I'm going in for when I go on call, maybe it's a prep, maybe it's a heist, I honestly don't care, I do it twice a year and forget about it. Worth more? than who? 15%? yes. Any player is worth more than that IMO. Kiss my ass? With that attitude I wont let you kiss my feet.

I'm glad I don't do heists so I don't have to run into people like you.

I remember how tedious it was to wait for people to join when I was hosting my heists (which I did one time for each just to have it done) and I was grateful to the people who joined and I showed it to them by giving them an equal share. Sometimes more. If you think that THINKING that I deserve 5% more than the bare minimum is so out there you might just be a kind of person I never want to interact with

Nice rant and cool stories of you being this "generous" person. I could care less what you think of me. You come into my game when I pull up my heist finale and you didn't help with any preparation that 15 % is what you're walking away with (Unless I'm pretty desperate and normally I'm not) or you could just leave (especially if it's one of the doomsday heist)  I'm not going to just give out cuts that could go to someone who's actually earned it and has been putting work since the beginning. That's not fair.

Edited June 22, 2019 by Chamberpotcleanerman20

[Standard Deluxe 59]

The only exception to my usual way of splitting up the heist cut is if I'm doing said heist with one other person. If it's that way I'll split it either 55-45 or 60-40 depending on how much it cost me to get the heist going. And how many setups there were. 

[EkaSwede]

7 hours ago, Sentinel Driver said:

 

2 heavy revolver mk2 shots in the gas tank of a wastelander to destroy it, three to kill a phantom

5 shots on the engine to kill a ruiner and like 4 to kill the boxville

Interesting. I use the Up 'n Atomizer to flips the Ruiner 2K and Boxville (which flips to the side, but will get destroyed eventually) and pour gasoline under the wastelander and near the Wedge which does the trick. I'll remember the Revolver method.

Edited June 22, 2019 by EkaSwede

[kenmy13999]

27 minutes ago, Chamberpotcleanerman20 said:

I was talking about preparing for the Heist not losing. Doing prep missions and set ups. It depends on the situation. If I need someone and you're pretty skilled and I know you won't f*ck up, alright we could talk percentage. But if you just joined my heist demanding me to just give you anything higher than 15% and I don't know you from adam or eve and to make it worse you're some newbie it's not happening.

My first part was just a joke and I was thinking about the original heists.  

You do what you want, just gave you another point of view

personally I accept 15% if I by chance join a finale but I'll quit at the first fail or second at most, when hosting my own I always do it with friends

 

when hosting doomsday act 2 I always take the smallest cut myself and give the other person the rest

Edited June 22, 2019 by kenmy13999

[El Payaso]

12 hours ago, ilovefreebird said:

 

No need to tell us where your post belongs because that's what you're doing. Bitching and moaning about someone else's post.

[Sky_Light12]

back then i had 15% as my minimum paycheck as crewmember

when some douche lowers my cut below than 15% , either i left right away or troll to spite them

[CarimboHanky]

you know whats worst than a player asking for more than 15%

 

a host that boot you after you helped with all the setups, so his friend can get some easy money!

 

f*ck that sh*t, never again!

[Agent 14]

6 hours ago, wizooord said:

Umm... No it isn't.

Have you read what I wrote at all?

I don't ask for more %. I ready up and if the host is not a total asshole he WILL up it to 20% because 15% is frankly disrespectful. To ANY rank with ANY skill level.

And I have no idea what I'm going in for when I go on call, maybe it's a prep, maybe it's a heist, I honestly don't care, I do it twice a year and forget about it. Worth more? than who? 15%? yes. Any player is worth more than that IMO. Kiss my ass? With that attitude I wont let you kiss my feet.

I'm glad I don't do heists so I don't have to run into people like you.

I remember how tedious it was to wait for people to join when I was hosting my heists (which I did one time for each just to have it done) and I was grateful to the people who joined and I showed it to them by giving them an equal share. Sometimes more. If you think that THINKING that I deserve 5% more than the bare minimum is so out there you might just be a kind of person I never want to interact with

Again what makes you think you're entitled to a 20% cut for joining a finale? You didn't do a goddamned thing to help the host get there. Now if we're talking about the Doomsday scenerio I'll gladly accept and give you up to 30 or even 40 if it's only us two whether you helped or not. But as far as regular heist goes nah. You taking that 15 for not helping or that 20 for helping if not I'll wait till someone else joins.

[Lonely-Martin]

5 hours ago, Standard Deluxe 59 said:

While I can see your point there I feel that those who stuck around should be rewarded a little bit more than someone who replaced another member that despite playing through the setups didn't decide to stay for the finale.

Had to snip, but I fully agree. I'm of a very similar mind too.

 

The downside to it all being that many do boot the setup helpers and look to take the chance with fresh randoms and pay them less. DDH is the most guilty, can't tell you how many times I've been part of a 3 or 4 person team on setups but come finale time, kicked. It's such a mixed bag, and I do understand why they do though, gets expensive out there, lol.

4 hours ago, Chamberpotcleanerman20 said:

And how am I supposed to know that?

Ahh, but how is the new random that joined supposed to know you and your friends have been struggling for 2 hours to get to a finale too? Or how do they know you guts aren't just a group of randoms and this is about to go to sh*t at the first hurdle? Just like you don't know what your getting, that random don't either, and that's where the mess often starts unfortunately. (Especially for those greedy hosts that bring fresh blood to finales only and deny the random on setups a shot at the big score they helped to setup so they can feel better about their greed and sh*tty tactic).

 

I just find it easier if I'm paying two others 20%. To not give the other that too is only asking for trouble out there. No-one likes to be singled out and get reduced pay, regardless of fair. If you are happy paying 20% to the others, what's 5% to keep the peace and balance to incentivise the new random to play properly? Ain't worth the headache to me. Too many times a heist fails to launch because two ego's are nitpicking 5%, lol.

 

Basically, for all I know joining a job, you and your friends are not good or experienced (I might not even know you are a team of friends too, more-so if there is a language barrier) and the extra 5% does see people play nicer in jobs if they are after money. I say share the wealth and look to butter up that random in hope they are good and you might just find a 4th regular heist friend and then you stand to make more, quicker. At least quicker than 2 hours for setups (no offence).

3 hours ago, Chamberpotcleanerman20 said:

I was talking about preparing for the Heist not losing. Doing prep missions and set ups. It depends on the situation. If I need someone and you're pretty skilled and I know you won't f*ck up, alright we could talk percentage. But if you just joined my heist demanding me to just give you anything higher than 15% and I don't know you from adam or eve and to make it worse you're some newbie it's not happening.

I get ya, agree too. Its just there's so many unknowns that add to this minefield is all.

 

That said, if you and that random asking for more are already talking, it wouldn't take much to talk the upcoming job and if the random knows what they're doing, they could easily share their knowledge of what's about to happen too. (Or look at trophies/achievements too, I got all the heist ones and the CMM/elite ones. That'll tell ya if a player is good/experienced or not too).

 

A good host knows when they've a good teammate, if they are already talking.

Edited June 22, 2019 by Lonely-Martin
Wording.

[kenmy13999]

16 minutes ago, Agent 14 said:

Again what makes you think you're entitled to a 20% cut for joining a finale? You didn't do a goddamned thing to help the host get there. Now if we're talking about the Doomsday scenerio I'll gladly accept and give you up to 30 or even 40 if it's only us two whether you helped or not. But as far as regular heist goes nah. You taking that 15 for not helping or that 20 for helping if not I'll wait till someone else joins.

Why aren't the host using the people that helped him get there tho? So he can get more money for himself by saying "you didn't help with setups, no (extra) soup for you"

 

Plot twist, people helping with setups get payed for that, so they don't deserve any extra, the guy that would love to help but didn't get any invite before finale deserves at least 20% yh, I'm not sure if I'm serious either 

[Lonely-Martin]

47 minutes ago, CarimboHanky said:

you know whats worst than a player asking for more than 15%

 

a host that boot you after you helped with all the setups, so his friend can get some easy money!

 

f*ck that sh*t, never again!

DDH is such a bark for this. To the point, along with that CEO quit bug, I don't DDH on call, ever.

 

And currently the original heists are plagued by that damn ammo glitch. Been kicked or disconnected so many times and when joining a fresh one, $75k or so in ammo costs. Friends only until a patch, and its already survived 2 DLC's.

[Agent 14]

Just now, kenmy13999 said:

Why aren't the host using the people that helped him get there tho? So he can get more money for himself by saying "you didn't help with setups, no (extra) soup for you"

 

Plot twist, people helping with setups get payed for that, so they don't deserve any extra, the guy that would love to help but didn't get any invite before finale deserves at least 20% yh, I'm not sure if I'm serious either 

Then you should've join those thousand invites of set ups that people send daily if you didn't then that's on you. You still get 15%. 

[kenmy13999]

2 minutes ago, Agent 14 said:

Then you should've join those thousand invites of set ups that people send daily if you didn't then that's on you. You still get 15%. 

I certainly don't get thousand invites to setup on a daily basis but you can't blame R* bad matchmaking on me! That's on the same level on some of the arguments in the griefing thread.. 

 

But you actually didn't answer what I was asking but just see it as a rhetorical question

There's two sides here with both valid points but as I said before I accept the 15% if I join a random finale 

[Lonely-Martin]

22 minutes ago, Agent 14 said:

Then you should've join those thousand invites of set ups that people send daily if you didn't then that's on you. You still get 15%. 

If I do setups and get that invite, all gold. But all too often it's the boot or no invite and I've literally been told 'thx, waiting for a friend to do the finale/Bogdan glitch' sent to me (much more than once too).

 

Personally I didn't really care too much as A, makes sense to want a buddy in there, and I don't have heists ready to glitch. And B, I got paid for what I did anyway and there's never been a shortage of heists with fair hosts to give a hoot, lol.

 

And Pac Standard before DDH was equally as plagued. To be fair, when I fancy an auto pilot session of heisting in call, I rarely stay for the finale drama anyway. I'll jump in and see, but if folk are arguing over 5%, I just walk as I can't be f*cked and got friends if cash was ever needed again.

Edited June 22, 2019 by Lonely-Martin
Wording.

[ilovefreebird]

5 hours ago, El Payaso said:

No need to tell us where your post belongs because that's what you're doing. Bitching and moaning about someone else's post.

Why even get upset about that? I was letting the guy know there was a dedicated topic for what he was talking about - looks like the mods agree because they merged the two. Calm down.

[Agent 14]

3 hours ago, kenmy13999 said:

I certainly don't get thousand invites to setup on a daily basis but you can't blame R* bad matchmaking on me! That's on the same level on some of the arguments in the griefing thread.. 

 

But you actually didn't answer what I was asking but just see it as a rhetorical question

There's two sides here with both valid points but as I said before I accept the 15% if I join a random finale 

That's an excuse and you know it this is sounding more like " I really wanted to help beat the finale but I couldn't be bothered to join during set ups so I'll make an excuse and blame rockstar I still wanna really help beat the finale can I still get 20% please"

[kenmy13999]

5 minutes ago, Agent 14 said:

That's an excuse and you know it this is sounding more like " I really wanted to help beat the finale but I couldn't be bothered to join during set ups so I'll make an excuse and blame rockstar I still wanna really help beat the finale can I still get 20% please"

I'm done, you really start to sound like Smokewood.. Have a good one 

[ConventLane]

Oh 15% that's more than what I get when playing with random players. I assume that it's because of my level so they assume I have money. I literally play like crap when I get 0% in heist. I have single handedly ruined multiple heists attempts on purpose. So key here is pay everyone who is involved

[Agent 14]

Just now, kenmy13999 said:

I'm done, you really start to sound like Smokewood.. Have a good one 

I'm not sounding like anyone but okay bye Felicia.

[Lonely-Martin]

20 minutes ago, Agent 14 said:

That's an excuse and you know it this is sounding more like " I really wanted to help beat the finale but I couldn't be bothered to join during set ups so I'll make an excuse and blame rockstar I still wanna really help beat the finale can I still get 20% please"

Oh, come on dude, lol. When you quote someone and say they are full of excuses to squeeze more cash out of a heist, probably best to not pick one where he's saying 15% is fair game, lol.

 

It's a valid discussion though. Many bad and greedy randoms join as the OP of that the initial thread showed, but many bad or greedy hosts out there too that add to the crap. As a whole, the blame goes both ways as to why there is so much bullsh*t on heists.

 

The matchmaking in this game has only gotten worse with age in every area, including heists too. That's a different issue altogether, not an excuse, but can easily contribute to a bad session.

33 minutes ago, kenmy13999 said:

I'm done, you really start to sound like Smokewood.. Have a good one 

*facepalm

 

(Thought I'd sent this a moment back, lol. Oops).

[DedetOS1]

I played every gta before.SA is my all time favorite game.I was an early teenager when I played it.I even played gta IV which was a nightmare for me.It was completely out of gta atmosphere.No gta spirit.But this game,gta f*cking five is the worst ever gta ever done in my eyes and I know that this is the reality.Makers of older gta games had big big respect for the games they made.They filled the game with great functionalities,great consepts,beautiful radio stations,beautiful environment etc...but this V bullsh*t has only three non sense characters in single player mode,you just do some missions and so called heists which you don't even notice while playing and that's all.No other crap to do.No interiors,no clothes customization,terribly stupid AI management,no utilities,no fun.And the whole online thing is the same.No fun,only call of duty style fighting on the map.Endless amounts of errors,bugs,impossibilities to play and stupid reaction to all of this from rockstar support managers.this is highly disgusting.Servers are trash,I get connected to people in Iraq all the time I don't know why,servers are f*ckin empty,matchmaking is terrible so I can't find any other game lobbies with people in it and f*ckin R crew don't want to talk about this reality.it takes at least 3 minutes to get into the game and you have no chance other than restart when you get that "failed to join session" error.or UKNOWN network error.even they dont know about it.Game freezes frequently and freezes the console too.Coding errors everywhere.No doubt,the makers of this game are very low skilled developpers.No crouch.bullsh*t.character controls are dumb.And they are happy with it,this is tragic.having "V" alongside the title doesn't make it any better.Thousands of people playing this game at the time but I can only connect to lobbies with max 5 players.It looks like the retard algorithm sends me to the closer regions but closer ones are laggier than far ones.Sadly dramatic for a game series like gta.No respect.People who made older games were born between 60s and 80s I suppose,they had amazing thoughts and concepts in their minds because they were of a beautiful era with lots of creativity.Douchebags who made this garbage are obviously some modern wannabes who never drop iphones from their hand,following stupid accounts on social media and think they are cool.But in reality,they are some crew who don't have a taste in game making and concept creating.Even radio stations are terrible in this garbage.

Of course some people still call it ""woow it's gta,lets play,best game ever" because they didn't get the meaning and feeling of gta atmosphere before,they probably didn't even play them.But the sad part is,when this generation grows up,some of they will be authorized to make the new gta game which would be a HUGE mistake.Developpers of older gta games were born in a creative and beautiful era,the world is going worse day by day and kids who grow up with V garbage will make even worse games than this.

the game is full of stupidities,no fun,no gta atmosphere.They even removed bounty option for old gen consoles.The reason behind it was that people started griefing it.How would people start griefing it after 5 years? Bounty system might be the last single funnish thing left in this garbage and it's already gone.It's just an example.There are tons of cheaters in every lobby and what rockstar do is removing bounty system.

Such shame... When games made in late 90s or early 2000s were much much much better than a game made in 2013....

 

5 hours ago, ArrestedDuringHaircut said:

 

 

Edited June 22, 2019 by ArrestedDuringHaircut

[jdv95]

i'm happy with 15%.

 

ofcourse i'll gladly take 20 if the host offers me that but i don't need them to do that.

 

but i will never work for anything less than 15 though. no matter my rank,no matter how much money i have,no matter if i helped with setups or not,15% is the minium i work for.

 

i mean it's the default cut,it would be a dick move to give anything less than that.

[DPRK]

13 hours ago, Chamberpotcleanerman20 said:

Really? Because in my experience it's quite the opposite.

well i forgot to mention that i only do them with a handful of friends, sorry. not with randoms