Red Dead Redemption 2: Discussion & Speculation (Part 3)

[Auditore]

For no reason at all IGN responded to a random joke i made in one of their RDR 2 videos and i accidentaly got information about the NPCs lol

 

"The NPCs are very chatty. During our demo, we were messing around in camp, and this awful woman came up and was like "ARTHUR MORGAN, YER NOT PUTTIN YER FAIR SHARE IN THE CAMP'S FUNDRAISIN' JAR, WE CAN'T HAVE NO FREELOADIN', Y'HEAR?" and we had the option to engage her, or just go "NOT NOW!" -- that doesn't sound super immersive, but none of it was through dialogue trees or anything that broke the flow of gameplay. The lines are blurred between all the different components of gameplay, so it's more of a holistic experience, rather than a handful of different mechanics like shooting, talking, riding, shopping, etc. -Max"

[Potter145]

11 minutes ago, tsycho said:

The best thing: In the next episode they gonna have "part two" of their hands-on impressions.

With Brandon "motherf*cking" Jones!

 

For me personally the Hands-on impressions by Brandon Jones, John Ryan and Jared Petty resonated with me the most and I love how passionate and thoughtful they presented the information.

[TheSantader25]

My Arthur is gonna teach John some respect. 

Edited September 21, 2018 by TheSantader25

[NoName3]

1 minute ago, vKing said:

Damn, that's a good idea. If it dies you have something to remember it by..

 

I'm gonna photograph each horse and name them Horse1 "PEBBLES" Horse2 "JJ"  and so on LMAO 

Not my idea btw I saw it in the old thread but couldn’t quote it! It’s a great idea tho. I am so happy we can have more than one horse and that we can name them. I’m a bit of a nerd when it comes to dumb sh*t like that  

[WISE_NINO]

MAX PAYNE 3 DIVING WITH DEAD EYE IS IN THE GAMEEEEE!!!!

 

Edited September 21, 2018 by WISE_NINO

[J.Dillinger Blackheart]

22 minutes ago, DEADWOODZ said:

Only a few weeks left!

Man....The wake up on the 26th is going to be absolutely incredible. The thought of waiting on line and just feeling the game touch the tips of my fingers...Orgasmic.

[MVP]

2 minutes ago, Auditore said:

For no reason at all IGN responded to a random joke i made in one of their RDR 2 videos and i accidentaly got information about the NPCs lol

 

"The NPCs are very chatty. During our demo, we were messing around in camp, and this awful woman came up and was like "ARTHUR MORGAN, YER NOT PUTTIN YER FAIR SHARE IN THE CAMP'S FUNDRAISIN' JAR, WE CAN'T HAVE NO FREELOADIN', Y'HEAR?" and we had the option to engage her, or just go "NOT NOW!" -- that doesn't sound super immersive, but none of it was through dialogue trees or anything that broke the flow of gameplay. The lines are blurred between all the different components of gameplay, so it's more of a holistic experience, rather than a handful of different mechanics like shooting, talking, riding, shopping, etc. -Max"

 

Hogtie her, put her on top of a train track. Always the best solution.

 

[happygrowls]

I wonder if we get a game over screen if we try to kill "essential" npcs like john and dutch

[DerekL]

19 minutes ago, jevity said:

What a f*cking beautiful post.

 

Looking closer at the gif, I think you are right regarding your analysis of the behavior. I really hope that they have dialed the "settings" in CTaskNMBehaviour all the way up. In my GTA V I was able to force the peds to react to each other, in a much more almost domino effect type way. This also leads to peds fleeing falling over each other, stumbling over dead bodies, and as you can see in my video having a threshold that is so low that any physical player-ped/ped-player or ped-ped interaction produces a visible result.

 

And okay, I know that this is a bit off topic, but since I have just found a fellow modder, allow me to indulge and share this video too. 

I was able to completely redo how drivers and their driving style react to events.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7KkNOMEaCQ

 

In vanilla, the AI driver can only remain in the shocking-events swerve task for one third of a second. Not anymore. Heh. 

 

 

Dang, didn't know there was a way to change that, too. I figured that it was just built into the engine like most values were. Sort of also adds to my point that a whole lot of stuff that was hardcoded into the engine before became customizable with GTA V. I hope that Rockstar utilizes the overhaul they made to it's fullest extent in RDR2. 

 

By the way, this is off topic but if you have a decompiled version of the tunable files, there's a whole lot of behaviors that are either cut or hardly used. If you check out the crimetasks.ymt, there's a section that controls whether there may be NPCs that may try to randomly hijack vehicles. It's used ingame but only for when vehicles don't despawn after a while. There are settings for it that also allows you to set if they hijack the players vehicle. I haven't got that part working, but if I worked on it a bit more I could get it working. 

[Smudjed]

5 minutes ago, happygrowls said:

I wonder if we get a game over screen if we try to kill "essential" npcs like john and dutch

Wondered the same..

 

or if we harm or let bad bad things happen to members of the gang, that we’ll start getting treated differently!

 

[Niksu De Large]

I'm little bit late for this, but anyways... A new thread. Kinda shame we didn't make it to 3000 in the old thread

[luke73tnt]

Let’s get one thing straight, Euphoria itself won’t be returning because it was sold to a mobile gaming company. That doesn’t mean the physics won’t be great and Euphoria like tho

Edited September 21, 2018 by luke73tnt

[Auditore]

7 minutes ago, happygrowls said:

I wonder if we get a game over screen if we try to kill "essential" npcs like john and dutch

Game won't let you aim at friend npcs and if you somehow kill them in a mission it will be  the usual "you killed person" game over screen

[vKing]

8 minutes ago, Niksu De Large said:

I'm little bit late for this, but anyways... A new thread. Kinda shame we didn't make it to 3000 in the old thread

The gang became too big i guess...so they chased us from the thread, they chased us over the Forums!

Edited September 21, 2018 by vKing
Changed "Mountains" to "Forums" lmao

[MCMXCII]

4 hours ago, Brett Baumler said:

Can't wait to get attached to all these gang members just to watch them die

Please no. I will not allow myself to feel any heartache with this game as I did with the first one! 

[Potter145]

Just to put the "The player decides to move the camp"-theory to rest:

 

"Now we ride to the tent icon on the map, where our camp is located, our base. During the game we change the location several times, though it is bound to the story. The players don't decide it themselves."

 

PCGames

[PhotomodePNG]

Do you think it will be possible to change controls? I hate tapping 'X' for speeding with a horse..

[MCMXCII]

1 minute ago, TheExecutor10 said:

Just to put the "The player decides to move the camp"-theory to rest:

 

"Now we ride to the tent icon on the map, where our camp is located, our base. During the game we change the location several times, though it is bound to the story. The players don't decide it themselves."

 

PCGames

Any mention of the small camp for quick-saving, wardrobe changing, and fast traveling like in the first game?

[Mostly_Red]

 

[MVP]

Just now, Morgan said:

Do you think it will be possible to change controls? I hate tapping 'X' for speeding with a horse..

I loved it. I can't imagine them changing the control scheme that much from RDR, but obviously adding the new features.

[DerekL]

2 minutes ago, luke73tnt said:

Let’s get one thing straight, Euphoria itself won’t be returning because it was sold to a mobile gaming company. That doesn’t mean the physics won’t be great and Euphoria like tho

There's one thing though, in the start up screen for GTA V, it says "Copyright NaturalMotion 2008."

NaturalMotion was the company that made Euphoria and got bought by Zynga, that mobile gaming company you talked about. 

The thing is even though the game was first released in 2013, it still said "Copyright 2008" instead of "Copyright 2013." I think that might be because Rockstar I think may have bought a full license for it, which costs a lot of money. If Zynga tried to stop Rockstar from using it, wouldn't they be basically breaking the purchase agreement that Rockstar had when they bought the license? Wouldn't that leave them open to a lawsuit or something?

[MVP]

1 hour ago, Jason said:

If we're going down physics road again, then you might wanna turn off and head here:

 

 

@DerekLeet you and that other guy have been reminded to use this topic.

Edited September 21, 2018 by MostWantedMVP

[Pedrocaas]

12 minutes ago, Auditore said:

Game won't let you aim at friend npcs and if you somehow kill them in a mission it will be  the usual "you killed person" game over screen

The "Time Paradox" game over screen from Metal Gear would be cool haha

[joshua969]

Is it me, or are these previews going to make the wait a bit harder ?

[2019Redifiv/2020Modifiv]

20 minutes ago, DerekLeet said:

Dang, didn't know there was a way to change that, too. I figured that it was just built into the engine like most values were. Sort of also adds to my point that a whole lot of stuff that was hardcoded into the engine before became customizable with GTA V. I hope that Rockstar utilizes the overhaul they made to it's fullest extent in RDR2. 

 

By the way, this is off topic but if you have a decompiled version of the tunable files, there's a whole lot of behaviors that are either cut or hardly used. If you check out the crimetasks.ymt, there's a section that controls whether there may be NPCs that may try to randomly hijack vehicles. It's used ingame but only for when vehicles don't despawn after a while. There are settings for it that also allows you to set if they hijack the players vehicle. I haven't got that part working, but if I worked on it a bit more I could get it working. 

Hehe. I not only have all the tunables, I have a complete set of the latest dav90 pso ymt dump, and I also actively bruteforce unknown hashes with a collider. Also I have a library of dump documents of ptfx, anims, speech, vtables, Cclasses, scenariopflags, all kinds of stuff.

 

Back to RDR2, I am really looking forward to see how the fire effects and the fire propogation system in in the game. I felt it was kind of lackluster in GTA V, so I decided to build my own system from scratch.

 

 

[MVP]

Just now, joshua969 said:

Is it me, or are these previews going to make the wait a bit harder ?

100%. I think it's because we've got in our heads what we're going to do first. I can't decide!

[lndex]

Just now, joshua969 said:

Is it me, or are these previews going to make the wait a bit harder ?

From the events of yesterday, 100% the wait is feelin a lot harder!

[Zoobz]

Since it's out now.

 

Sorry about the grainy quality.

 

FYI. The posters are doubled sided. I got two copies of the magazine. So I can use both, one as Sadie, one as John.

 

[DerekL]

4 minutes ago, MostWantedMVP said:

@DerekLeet 

Sorry about that, I'll try to stay on topic a bit more. Just wish that thread wasn't dead.

Edited September 21, 2018 by DerekLeet
spelling

[MVP]

Just now, DerekLeet said:

Sorry about that, I'll try to on topic a bit more. Just wish that thread wasn't dead.

Same goes for @jevity. We don't need your spam.