Red Dead Redemption 2: Discussion & Speculation (Part 3)

[vKing]

14 minutes ago, m8son said:

Thoughts on this?

Not likely.

[Non Funkable Token]

12 minutes ago, m8son said:

Thoughts on this?

Better not be true. I'd say BS.

 

Although some ranch tasks described by that guy were actually hilarious.

[Mr Fyn666]

17 minutes ago, m8son said:

Thoughts on this?

 

Too many "thens"  in the first line!!  

[PhotomodePNG]

13 hours ago, VigMarston91 said:

It is officially September where I live. After 8 long years, Happy to finally say..

 

Damn...this sounds so good!! Almost there!

Edited September 1, 2018 by Morgan

[zanpancan]

6 hours ago, damienrayemusic said:

I think that nowadays especially where everyone has an opinion to be heard, truthfully everything is subjective. There are too many things to factor in why a person may not like what someone else thinks is the best game ever, or not. I respect opinions like the ones on this page, healthy discussion:) but I HATE the fanboy attitudes that a lot of people in YouTube comments have and sh*t. Like. God Of War for me is my favorite game of the year (so far, till RDR2 is crowned that) and it reminds me of the whole topic on the back and forth between cyberpunk and red dead. Imo, both games will be PHENOMENAL. The Witcher 3 is in my top 3 games of all time and all my as of right now the order goes RDR1, God Of War, The Witcher 3. Anyways about Cyberpunk 2077 and RDR2 they are totally different games and WAY opposite in theme.. only thing they have in common is a really great developer who spends years on the games and it's open world.

 

For that reason, I don't see why some of the R* fans have to hate on CDPR?? And CDPR fans on R* ? They literally have said they look up to R* and wanna be like them in their own way. From the quality, to releasing games only when ready etc... Like fans don't you want that? More game devs that are amazing and worth a damn? Sorry this turned into a bit of ranting but seriously I just can't stand the amount of hate in this world and in the game industry especially it's toxic as all hell. Why can't you love all great games?? It sounds so stupid tbh to take a game like RDR2 and cyberpunk and pick one then be like pfft the other  is TRASH like clearly it's not, they are both high quality. Which is why it's a dumb statement. Point is , it isn't a crime to hold RDR2 in your highest regard but also say that cyberpunk 2077 looks amazing, and give props where it's due. R*, and CDPR are in fact my favorite developers. Can't wait for both of those games man . Red Dead is my baby tho!!! My number 1 personally! 

Now now... since everyone is talking about cd projekt red, i think it's fair that i also can give my say on the matter. if the mods think this post is too derailing, feel free to take it down.

 

witcher 3:

 

ohh boyy..this will be controversial. if you are sensitive to opposing opinions, you probably should skip this segment.

 

i do NOT like the witcher 3. (my opinon)

here me out now; story:

 

i think the story of witcher 3 is too simple, black and white and unrepresentative.

the story is simply; ciri is missing; find yennefer; meet emhyr; go on a "princess isn't in this castle goose chases"; find ciri; oh no attack; counter attack; fail-survive; rebel; darth vader face off; happy end.

there is no motivation given for eredin ( it is in the books). he (in the game) is just skeletor trying to find ciri for some reason. if cd projekt expected all player to read the books (which i did), that should have been clear and it is stupid that a player has to read 6-7 books just to know the motivation of a villain.another thing is eredin is just a bad guy. he is just a dulled down sauron.one side is evil, while another side is good (admittedly the sidequests to counter this issue). eredin is there to kill, while geralt is chosen hero. it is just a stereotypical generic fantasy. elves are forest loving peace men, dwarves are tough miners in mahakaman. halflings are just...there. (though admittedly these problems are addressed by the scoiatel and novigrad racism.) the entire game is just there to beat a generic darth vader with no depth. geralt was pretty cool as a character though. eredin literally has ONLY 12 LINES IN THE f*ckING GAME!!!!!!! TWELVE LINES!!!!! THIS FU*KER IS THE MAIN VILLAIN OF THE ENTIRE TRILOGY AND HE GT FUC*ING TWELVE LINES IN THE GAME WHERE YOU FACE OF WITH HIM!!!!! the white frost is also left unexplained. in the books its just the world's axis tilting causing a global freeze over, but in the game this apparently became some supernatural phenomenon. ciri is also underdeveloped. i just didn't care about her at all. this is the end of my story rant. ps; hearts of stone was AMAZING.

 

gameplay:

 

humph! this is a mixed bag so close analysis is required. sidequests and contracts are decent to great. this is an area where r* can take some inspiration from. the combat however, is bad... the combat has a light, heavy, strong and twirl attack ( the last two are upgrades). the combat feels incredibly clunky for me. its potions and elixers are useless in any difficulty other than the hardest. people told me it was as deep and hard as dark souls. it was not. the combat to me is just hack and slash until dead. quen is also the most broken sign in the game. igni is decent. aard and aaxi are useless and yrden is only good early game for wraiths. the crossbow is useless. the leveling system is the WORST.

you may be level 10 and fight a level 40 griffin, and then you may level up to level 11, but still you will get a level 8 sword because loot is scaled. it is not based on challenge, but rather level. a single level 40 nekker, ill be harder than a level 20 wyvern. underwater combat is also pathetic. travel is also bad. roach is  horrendous mess of ai. you call it at spot a, it appears at spot a+1000 meters. when you call it, it gets stuck on things like fences, but can cross lakes. if it's on the minimap,  it will trot to you, but if it's a centimeter away from the map range, it teleports to some random ass area. also travel is automated. you can literally put roach on auto pilot. the bosses are just forgettable and pathetically easy. i rest my case on gameplay. ps: I LOVE THE CHANGES BLOOD AND WINE BROUGHT TO BOSSES AND GAMEPLAY.

 

THE GAME IS ALSO EXTREMELY BUGGY.

 

now its rockstars turn:

 

story:

most stories presented by r* are satirical exaggerations of real life and it's stereotypes. they are presented decently with no sjw bullcrap which i resspect. they do fail to bring depth to certain charecters, though this was addressed in red dead, where most of all characters were incredibly fleshed out. the thing i admire most about r* is how they make us play us horrible, bad men but still, make it feel relatable. i do think most r* games other than rdr lack emotional depth. gta 4, san andreas and even 5 did show some emotion, but it was not enough. though, atleast r* villains have motivation and depth, unlike eredin.  i think most people will say i'm biased, but i loved the witcher 2 to death. i have nothing against cd projekt red, but i do think they can improve and so can r*.

 

gameplay:

 

r* gameplay is incredibly simple. there is combat, sidemission and activities. combat is imo the dullest. it is just point and shoot, though the mechanics are stable and fun, challenge is eliminated when lock on is present. it's still better than the witcher combat imo. side quests are decent, but not as good as some cd projekt quests. activities are about equal in quality with gwent being the wither savior. that's pretty much it. travelling is SIGNIFICANTLY better than witcher travelling. interaction with npc's through dialogue is something that rockstar ha mastered with every line from the rdr2 trailers being quoted on this forum on a regular basis ( other than "we need to get those people warm and fed").

 

in the end cd projekt and r* are some of the BEST if not the BEST game devs out there. both can learn from each other. sadly i'm not interested in cyberpunk genre and i don't think the trailer was that good, thus cyberpunk 2077 will be hard to buy for me. though huge respect to all the people who enjoyed it though. more power to you! while i do think r* is better than cd projekt, ultimately, they both are amazing game devs.

 

(ps: the witcher 3's lipsyncing was horrendous)

32 minutes ago, m8son said:

Thoughts on this?

most likely just bollocks mixed with the reddit leak, but it does correlate with my speculation and could be a possible plot line.

[Reno_]

52 minutes ago, m8son said:

Thoughts on this?

Ugh I really hope not. I can't be the only who thinks ending the game with John getting shot one the ferry is a terrible idea, right?

[zanpancan]

Just now, Reno_ said:

Ugh I really hope not. I can't be the only who thinks ending the game with John getting shot one the ferry is a terrible idea, right?

i think it's a decent place to end provided they provide a revelation there such as they intended to leave john for dead or something like that.

[Canady117]

52 minutes ago, m8son said:

Thoughts on this?

Sounds like a pile of horse manure. I mean, maybe the first part but I doubt you'd play as John. They'd have to lock (or re-lock?) New Austin seeing as John had never been there during the events of RDR. But it would be fitting that John kills Arthur, nothing is ever mentioned of Arthur, Sadie, Micah, or many others in the gang in RDR so John killing Arthur would be a reasonable way to tie up that loose end (of Arthur not being mentioned, anyway).

[Horrid_Saiyam]

1 minute ago, Reno_ said:

Ugh I really hope not. I can't be the only who thinks ending the game with John getting shot one the ferry is a terrible idea, right?

He is just speculating lol

[Mr. Morgan]

I think Rockstar's more than capable of writing stories that aren't as predictable as the schmucks on reddit would have some believe.

[Reno_]

Just now, zanpancan said:

i think it's a decent place to end provided they provide a revelation there such as they intended to leave john for dead or something like that.

What happens after the John is shot is most interesting to me because not even John can tell us what happened. If it's a prequel we should at least learn the whole story of what happened to the gang. I don't know, ending it there would make it feel like it was John's story and not Arthur's and the gangs. John will clearly be important I just hope the story doesn't get too much about him.

 

[zanpancan]

1 minute ago, Reno_ said:

What happens after the John is shot is most interesting to me because not even John can tell us what happened. If it's a prequel we should at least learn the whole story of what happened to the gang. I don't know, ending it there would make it feel like it was John's story and not Arthur's and the gangs. John will clearly be important I just hope the story doesn't get too much about him.

 

and that is why the """""""leak""""""" says that we switch to john's perspective after we kill arthur.

[Reno_]

1 minute ago, zanpancan said:

and that is why the """""""leak""""""" says that we switch to john's perspective after we kill arthur.

I don't believe that leak at all. New Austin as part of the map makes me doubt we will be able to play as John. I'd rather play as Sadie or Dutch IF Arthur dies.

[Doomageddon666]

Oh boy playing as Sadie would be fun

[zanpancan]

1 minute ago, Reno_ said:

I don't believe that leak at all. New Austin as part of the map makes me doubt we will be able to play as John. I'd rather play as Sadie or Dutch IF Arthur dies.

exactly we will probably go to new austin while arthur is alive and after that, once john is there, new austin is locked off. i sincerely doubt we will play either as dutch or sadie.

[Emmi]

1 minute ago, Doomageddon666 said:

Oh boy playing as Sadie would be fun

I agree, playing with Sadie would be awesome!

[Doomageddon666]

Female protagonist would be interesting for a change.

 

EDIT: Someone here mentioned that maybe Arthur and Sadie are lovers, maybe when Arthur leaves or dies, u play as Sadie.

Edited September 1, 2018 by Doomageddon666

[Reno_]

2 minutes ago, zanpancan said:

exactly we will probably go to new austin while arthur is alive and after that, once john is there, new austin is locked off. i sincerely doubt we will play either as dutch or sadie.

I doubt we'll play as anyone else than Arthur. Maybe make us think he died and we play as someone else for a bit. Then Arthur returns in one of the missions.

[happygrowls]

I imagine romancing Sadie will be optional, as there's a scene in the gameplay trailer with another woman.

 

Maybe the game will allow for absolute freedom and allow you to romance multiple characters from camp. Not just Sadie or the other Woman seen in the trailer.

[DisCrafted]

12 minutes ago, happygrowls said:

I imagine romancing Sadie will be optional, as there's a scene in the gameplay trailer with another woman.

 

Maybe the game will allow for absolute freedom and allow you to romance multiple characters from camp. Not just Sadie or the other Woman seen in the trailer.

Nah. If there's any sort of romantic relationship in the story it'll be between Arthur and Sadie. Maybe Arthur can be like a brother to that girl in the camp.

Edited September 1, 2018 by DisCrafted

[Shane_Dbns]

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Edited September 6, 2018 by Shane_Dbns

[PapasHota]

Nah Arthur is asexual.

[Dick Justice]

Dutch only loves himself a fire.

[Emmi]

Notice the catalogue lying on the store's counter? Yeah, it's the red one which also comes with the Collector's Box of the game.

We will not pick the items directly from the store shelves but instead flick through this catalogue and ultimately select the items we want to purchase.

However I'm still sure we can rob stores by just going in there and take things out of the shelves.

 

Edited September 1, 2018 by Emmi

[TheSantader25]

Arthur could pull a "Michael" when John wants to kill him and get off free. 

[zanpancan]

POTENTIAL STORY SPOILERS AHEAD: DO NOT OPEN UNLESS YOU'RE OK WITH POTENTIALLY SPOILING YOURSELF:

 

Spoiler

 

so here's my speculative version of the story of rdr2 based on leaks, assumptions and story provided to us by r*:

 

The game is divided into seasons/acts and may even have time-jumps.

The game starts at winter. The gang robs the Blackwater bank and get chased through the mountains at the east. through a heavy blizzard/ avalanche, they are assumed dead, though not really.

 

A tiny village full of either immigrants/normal people or people the gang care about get stuck deep in the blizzard. As explained in rdr, the gang robs to give the people akin to robin hood, thus this town of poor folk may have been their target for their "givings". the set up cam in the north east and continue their attempts to rescue the people in the blizzard. This leads to an encounter with the po-po which makes it known that the gang is indeed alive.the sherrifs then flood the snowy mountain pass and maybe even destroy the village. As the sherrifs close in the gang evacuates the area and moves further north.

 

 

This starts act 2. They set up camp there and start establishing routes of supply, plunder and "giving"(this term refers to dutch sharing his plundered wealth with the less fortunate akin to robin hood). During this time they rob Cornwall supply trains,which give them large amount of resources.

 

The owner of Cornwall gets incredibly pissed and decides to hire the Pinkertons( who may even compete with the sherrifs department akin to the IAA and FIB). They start protecting the trains, but that still doesn't work. They then start implementing spies into the gang which allows them to trace their location and camp. this leads to a large confrontation with us barely making it out alive and maybe even some members of our gang dying.

 

We then move to act 3 where dutch's insanity begins to show. He starts hitting on more banks and trains but somehow, always gets caught by the Pinkertons and sherrifs. This leads to his ultimate insanity where he kills of members of the gang like Pearson the cook in hopes of purging the gang of the spy. He then starts closely aligning himself with Charles, Who introduces dutch to the natives. The natives find dutch incredibly inspiring and are willing to help dutch with his robberies. Dutch slowly aligns himself more with native ideals and believes that the old times of the wild west must be preserved.

 

This causes Javier who believed in Dutch to also follow his ideals. As the last of the snow melts of, we prepare to sail to mexico, into Javier's lands as he wants such ideals to be demonstrated in Mexico (this area is beyond the knowledge of Rayes). The Pinkertons chase them up to mexico but, with the combined strength of natives the gang, and Javier's men, the Pinkertons are driven back. Convinced that the traitor is someone close he starts questioning his own closest buddies. He kills Sean and leaves Mexico after a few hits on the government and a bank or two.

 

As the situation is getting tense, Arthur is sent back to Eest Elizabeth and New Austin to negotiate with the Pinkertons and deputies/government. Arthur and a large number ( maybe more then 22) men arrive at Blackwater and suddenly a hug ambush ensues, leading to what would become the Blackwater massacre. Arthur escapes the shootout and makes contact with Cornwall and the Pinkertons, both of which end in bad taste (Cornwall may die in this conversation).

 

Arthur returns to the camp, only to find out more villages have been destroyed by the Pinkertons. Dutch has gone insane and even may have killed Sadie. This leads Arthur to break off from the gang with a member or two and escapes to Saint Dennis( this part can vary. if he does stick through, we see the 1906 shooting from his perspective).

 

We then switch to John in 1906. ( at this point Arthur could have been killed by Dutch or John through Dutch's orders or john through Pinkerton orders). At this point dutch has figured out or at least believes that John is the spy (for all we know it could be Williamson). Dutch organizes a plan to make sure John gets killed in the robbery ( maybe he used the competing sheriifs and bribed them to aim at John akin to Michael and the fib Trevor hit.).

 

John is shot but the Pinkertons catch him and force him to hunt down the rest of his gang. If Arthur is not already dead, John goes to Beachers Hope with Uncle, Abigail, Jack and maybe even the daughter.

 

The Pinkertons then push him to go find and kill Arthur. He finds Arthur and kills him in a duel in Saint Dennis. A dying Arthur warns john about the crookedness of the law and of dutch and to run away before it's too late, the same advice Arthur gave before fleeing the gang. He then sails a ferry to Blackwater and starts RDR 1.

 

PS: THIS IS ALL JUST MY SPECULTION AND DOES NOT MATTER AS THIS IS JUST MY OPINION

Edited September 1, 2018 by zanpancan
I made a few stupid mistakes. i am sorry.

[SeniorDerp]

Person with absolute zero knowledge of the games ending telling another person with absolute zero knowledge of the games ending that they're wrong.. classic 

[Horrid_Saiyam]

Lol be serious guys 

I’m pretty sure there is going to be so much into the story than we all think

R* is doing prequel for a reason...they have a strong reason for us why Arthur never got mentioned in original redemption title

Saying again and again that Arthur will die is pointless

from the trailer we all gathered John and Arthur are really close 

Edited September 1, 2018 by Horrid_Saiyam

[Hugoat]

Okay.

 

 

[LegacyKillaHD]

Not trying to be an ass but if people are going to talk about the story's ending and bring up past (or potential) leaks. Please use a spoiler tag.