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Motorik

Claude talks, but not physically.

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Motorik

Hello everyone. I'm going to post a theory about Claude. Every theory says that he is mute or silent at least. I have an alternative theory: Claude talks along GTA 3, but "behind the camera" (in the same way that every building in Liberty City has an interior, but you can't see them during gameplay). I have proofs for that:

1) In "Bomb da Base: Act 1" Salvatore knows that Curly led Claude to a boat. The only way he could have known that is for Claude to tell him. Yes, I know he could have told him by pager and not verbally. Let's say there's a 50% of possibilities that he spoke to Salvatore. I'm gonna stick to that.

2) Gamers always joke about how the telephone bosses know that they are talking with Claude. My answer: Claude told them who he was. I know this is only an assumption, but is the only logical situation from a realistic point of view.

3) There are people who know that, but there are some green texts in mission "Grand Theft Aero" that seem thoughts or words. I'm talking about the texts that say "The package should be in the plane..." and "Panlantic Construction? There's a construction yard in Staunton Island, maybe they took the package there". This could be the way Rockstar made Claude to communicate before technology could allow a physically speaking protagonist.

4) The last and most important proof is in "Shima". When Claude goes to the bar to collect Yakuza's money, the owner knows why Claude's there. Unless the guy is a clairvoyant, Claude should have told him why he was there. And this cannot be justified with "the owner knew that the Yakuza was going to collect the protection money". The last thing the said to Claude was "What kind of Yakuza are you anyway?", what means he was surprised by that visit. The guy didn't know that the Yakuza was going to go to collect the money or, at least, didn't know that Claude was going to go in the name of the Yakuza, so he had to explain why he was there. Besides, the way in which the cutscene begins suggest that the conversation started before that. Probably by Claude himself.

I don't know if somebody post that theory before, but I think it's a very little known theory. And sorry for my english. It's not my native language. I hope you can understand me.

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GTA_CAT

Interesting, that might be true since Claude can moan when he falls or is injured so we know at least he has vocal chords.

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Evil empire

Motorik do you realize Claude is a FICTIONAL character? 39.gif

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Motorik
1 minute ago, Evil empire said:

Motorik do you realize Claude is a FICTIONAL character? 39.gif

Yes. I don't get the problem. I like to speculate.

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Evil empire

Alright but where's the point? Claude does what is written in the scenario. If it didn't break the immersion he could as well happen to be a nyan cat and make a final duel against a psychopathic crow with an earthworm called Jim on his side.

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Motorik

I think you are exaggerating. I'm presenting a theory with enough proofs. I don't see the inconsistencies or the lack of point. Maybe you can help me understand.

 

I hope not to sound rude and sorry if I do. That's not my intention. It's just that I don't get your point.

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Evil empire

There's no logic to search in GTA 3, no clues to look for, there's a scenario and nothing else.

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Motorik

Sorry, but I disagree. GTA 3 is part of a bigger universe. Maybe we can't see it for technical limitations or gameplay sake, but there's life beyond Liberty City and the plot, at least conceptually. The idea of theories is to think beyond what we see. Besides, the evidence of my theory is in the game. I didn't pulled it out of nowhere.

If you want to continue this conversation, let's do it in private. I don't want this topic to be closed. I'm totally willing to talk to you.

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Helegad
On 9/20/2018 at 1:12 AM, Evil empire said:

Alright but where's the point? Claude does what is written in the scenario. If it didn't break the immersion he could as well happen to be a nyan cat and make a final duel against a psychopathic crow with an earthworm called Jim on his side.

I'm with you on this one. There were a few slip-ups like that "thought process" in Grand Theft Aero, but for the most part, Claude is not so much a character as a vessel for the player to immerse themselves through, just like Gordon Freeman.

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Motorik
15 minutes ago, Helegad said:

I'm with you on this one. There were a few slip-ups like that "thought process" in Grand Theft Aero, but for the most part, Claude is not so much a character as a vessel for the player to immerse themselves through, just like Gordon Freeman.

Like I said, it's just a theory. It's not necessarily true. I thought it would be interesting to bring an alternative to the usual "Claude is mute" or "Claude is silent". It's not like I'm the first person to theorize about a fiction.

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Helegad
17 hours ago, Motorik said:

Like I said, it's just a theory. It's not necessarily true. I thought it would be interesting to bring an alternative to the usual "Claude is mute" or "Claude is silent". It's not like I'm the first person to theorize about a fiction.

You don't have to keep defending yourself for presenting a theory, it adds nothing to the conversation.

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watersgta3
On 9/19/2018 at 7:49 AM, Evil empire said:

Motorik do you realize Claude is a FICTIONAL character? 39.gif

I'm pretty sure a lot of us already know this by now.

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Spectre_

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f*cking internet exploer 7 i meant to say claude talks through  f*cking telepathy!!!

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Evil empire
On 11/24/2018 at 11:34 PM, watersgta3 said:

I'm pretty sure a lot of us already know this by now.

When I read some things I have some doubts. 31.gif

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Copcaller

Don't listen to evil empire simply saying because the plot demands it is a boring answer. It is an interesting theory he does grunt in pain too bad his va is uncredited

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Motorik
3 hours ago, Copcaller said:

Don't listen to evil empire simply saying because the plot demands it is a boring answer. It is an interesting theory he does grunt in pain too bad his va is uncredited

Thank you for your support. His opinion is also valid, but I think he takes it too seriously.

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Bigsmonk34(9:3)

hmmm i think you are right with telephone guys coz how he would do work for them if he didnt told his name?

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universetwisters
On 9/17/2018 at 10:14 PM, Motorik said:

1) In "Bomb da Base: Act 1" Salvatore knows that Curly led Claude to a boat. The only way he could have known that is for Claude to tell him. Yes, I know he could have told him by pager and not verbally. Let's say there's a 50% of possibilities that he spoke to Salvatore. I'm gonna stick to that.

 

Who's to say members of the mafia weren't already suspecting that Curly had some side hustle around the docks? If anything, Claude killing Curly Bob would've confirmed their suspicions, and they probably couldn't have done it themselves since Curly would more than likely notice one of Sal's goons following him.

 

On 9/17/2018 at 10:14 PM, Motorik said:

2) Gamers always joke about how the telephone bosses know that they are talking with Claude. My answer: Claude told them who he was. I know this is only an assumption, but is the only logical situation from a realistic point of view.

 

I mean Tommy didn't tell a single thing to the telephone bosses in Vice City and they still gave him missions under the assumption he was Leo Teal. Maybe people are dumb and just sit on the phone all day, waiting for some anonymous fella to come around and do their dirty work?

 

On 9/17/2018 at 10:14 PM, Motorik said:

3) There are people who know that, but there are some green texts in mission "Grand Theft Aero" that seem thoughts or words. I'm talking about the texts that say "The package should be in the plane..." and "Panlantic Construction? There's a construction yard in Staunton Island, maybe they took the package there". This could be the way Rockstar made Claude to communicate before technology could allow a physically speaking protagonist.

 

Could be Claude just thinking to himself to explain the situation in case the player wasn't already aware that the construction site is owned by Panlantic.

 

On 9/17/2018 at 10:14 PM, Motorik said:

4) The last and most important proof is in "Shima". When Claude goes to the bar to collect Yakuza's money, the owner knows why Claude's there. Unless the guy is a clairvoyant, Claude should have told him why he was there. And this cannot be justified with "the owner knew that the Yakuza was going to collect the protection money". The last thing the said to Claude was "What kind of Yakuza are you anyway?", what means he was surprised by that visit. The guy didn't know that the Yakuza was going to go to collect the money or, at least, didn't know that Claude was going to go in the name of the Yakuza, so he had to explain why he was there. Besides, the way in which the cutscene begins suggest that the conversation started before that. Probably by Claude himself.

 

Kenji probably called ahead and told the guy that some guy fitting Claude's description was going to come around to collect the protection money. 


Also; "What kind of Yakuza are you anyway" = "What kind of criminal organization are you running to allow this misfortune to happen to me", at least how I interpreted it.

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Motorik
On 7/8/2019 at 5:54 AM, universetwisters said:

Who's to say members of the mafia weren't already suspecting that Curly had some side hustle around the docks? If anything, Claude killing Curly Bob would've confirmed their suspicions, and they probably couldn't have done it themselves since Curly would more than likely notice one of Sal's goons following him.

 

Even if that's true, Salvatore couldn't just guess that Claude killed Curly and that he, in fact, had side hustles around the docks. Claude had to tell him. Yes, I don't deny the posibility that the news of Curly's death spreaded out but, in my opinion, is more likely that Claude told to Salvatore in person what happened (even though I neither deny the posibility that he told him via pager).

On 7/8/2019 at 5:54 AM, universetwisters said:

Kenji probably called ahead and told the guy that some guy fitting Claude's description was going to come around to collect the protection money. 

 

That cannot be possible for the exact reason I explained: The shop owner is clearly surprised by Claude's visit. That phrase confirms it. If Kenji had called the guy, he wouldn't had said that, because he wouldn't be surprised. Besides, I think your explanation for the meaning of that phrase is overcomplicated (no offense. Sorry if I do). I can't see the flaw in your other arguments, so I won't say anything about them.

 

Yes, I know it took me almost eight months to answer this, but that's because I forgot to do it back in the day. Feel free to close it if you think that the conversation is over, moderators.

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Americana

This could be the way Rockstar made Claude to communicate before technology could allow a physically speaking protagonist.

 

Man, technology wasn't the problem, because... every other character spoke.

 


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Motorik

IIRC, Rockstar said that it was hard to give the character a voice for technological reasons. I know it doesn't make much sense, since the other characters can speak, but they are words from them (I guess).

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This is fake. This is an old bit of gameplay footage, for sure, but we think the voices were added at a later date by someone online as at no point did we plan for Claude to have a voice or even design how a speaking protagonist would be implemented until Vice City.

https://www.rockstargames.com/newswire/article/19861/grand-theft-auto-iii-your-questions-answered-part-one-claude-dar.html

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Motorik

I have new evidence for my theory. That evidence was right under our noses the whole time, and I feel really stupid for not noticing it before: the fact that Catalina knows Claude's name. There's no way on earth she could have known his name hadn't Claude told it to her. And please don't tell me he could have written it. It's not impossible, but it's overthinking it too much.

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Nappy

I don’t think this is something we gotta think too much about, but if you do that’s good too. Gta III is Love.

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Motorik

Yes. I admit that maybe I'm exaggerating, but I really wanted to take part in the discussion about Claude's muteness. I had that theory in mind and I wanted to share it. And yes, GTA 3 is love.

By the way, if I may ask, what do you think about the theory? Any counter argument? It would be interesting to discuss it.

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Nappy

I think this is a nice theory, this means he does talk but not much right? Fair enough

 

I also tought about those green texts in one of my playthroughs, and tought they may mean what claude thinks, instead of talking.

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NewGuybj

Hmm interesting theory. Maybe true. 

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Tao Cheng

Actions speak louder than words. That's how these people know who Claude is working for and his intention. "You can't even win a raffle loser!"

 

Otherwise the GTA Online character can also speak even without our mics! 

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Motorik

Maybe you're right about the telephone bosses, but I still have the other proofs (except the green texts in Grand Theft Aero. That was properly refuted too). I know that maybe I'm too stubborn, but I still think that Claude talks off-screen. And sorry for answering one week late. I had things to do.

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