CHARMANDER50 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 (edited) Catalina in San Andreas is another Catalina from GTAIII presumably killed by Claude( GTA2, GTAIII) canon. Catalina was a resident of Liberty City, the leader of the Colombian Cartel in 2001 and cousin of Cesar Vialpando. Catalina, residing in a cabin in Red County, San Andreas, meets Carl Johnson at the suggestion of her cousin Cesar. The two then begin to commit various robberies across the county's four towns, with the two becoming an item. She dumps CJ for Claude the reason is unknown? Catalina and Claude, after leaving San Andreas, begin a nine year journey to Liberty City, going through many American states committing bank robberies, including Texas and New Mexico. The two, at some point, return to San Andreas ______________________________________? The two, however, continue on their journey to Liberty City, reaching their destination in October 2001 Is Catalina surname unknown (GTA SA) the same Catalina in GTAIII , Who knows the real story? Edited August 28, 2018 by CHARMANDER50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mde2 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 How is anything you said evidence for there being two different Catalinas? thehambone, M.B. Kovas, Crossbones and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolff Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 You know GTA SA comes before III in the timeline? They never 'return to San Andreas', they left together to Liberty City. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHARMANDER50 Posted August 28, 2018 Author Share Posted August 28, 2018 47 minutes ago, Wolff said: You know GTA SA comes before III in the timeline? They never 'return to San Andreas', they left together to Liberty City. Your sayin'? Why would Catalina & Claude return to SA.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolff Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 43 minutes ago, CHARMANDER50 said: Your sayin'? Why would Catalina & Claude return to SA.? Misunderstood your post, but as RetroMystic said, why would there be 2 Catalina's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHARMANDER50 Posted August 28, 2018 Author Share Posted August 28, 2018 11 minutes ago, Wolff said: Misunderstood your post, but as RetroMystic said, why would there be 2 Catalina's? For your own fickle mindset , you can digest such data about two Catalina's which is part of the GTA story. First CJ's Catalina was different from the Catalina describe as the leader of the Colombian cartel. Claude left SA for Liberty City together with CJ's Catalina after she dumps the latter. It was an identity as all crime stories there exist a secret to her departure in the plot that was originally written by the writer who was strangely confused by the timeline in relation to GTAIII which mentions Catalina in a unique perspective. The writer was referring to the demands of the missions gameplay was stressed over the story further confusing the poor , burdened , tired writer. Talk about a bad story. Timeline GTA SA with the GTAIII canon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Str33tD4wg Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 (edited) GTA SA is set in 1992 and GTA 3 in 2001. Catalina from GTA SA is the same Catalina from GTA 3, you can realize that by the same voice actress, same personality, both have same nationality and also because she starts dating claude (from GTA 3) dating the same guy she tried to kill 9 years after she met him, rockstar even confirms it! Even if rockstar didnt confirmed, it's to much coincidence if there were 2 equall catalinas! Edited August 30, 2018 by Str33tD4wg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haxardous Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 rockstar logic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHARMANDER50 Posted August 31, 2018 Author Share Posted August 31, 2018 14 hours ago, Str33tD4wg said: GTA SA is set in 1992 and GTA 3 in 2001. Catalina from GTA SA is the same Catalina from GTA 3, you can realize that by the same voice actress, same personality, both have same nationality and also because she starts dating claude (from GTA 3) dating the same guy she tried to kill 9 years after she met him, rockstar even confirms it! Even if rockstar didnt confirmed, it's to much coincidence if there were 2 equall catalinas! This Catalina in SA who supposedly traded CJ for Claude because of cash is unconfirmed. Catalina & the Colombians are a new thing , It is non--canon story in GTA3 that Claude killed Catalina in the final mission. This Catalina left CJ to join Claude to tempT CJ to kill him. Is a distinct one from the Catalina who left CJ because money got in that way . We must study the canon , or the story is lost forever ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Str33tD4wg Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Your mind is the one lost forever! Lioshenka 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhoda Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 I'll admit I'm struggling to see what you're saying here. Catalina likely dropped CJ because he wasn't "man" enough. Claude represented everything Catalina wanted - a strong, fearless man without morals and didn't answer back. This can be seen as detrimental though, because he is essentially a lap dog. Even Maria calls him "Fido". On the surface he is a cold killer. Deep down, he's a pawn. There's nothing to suggest at all that there are two Catalina's, and also nothing to suggest that Claude killing Catalina in GTAIII is non-canon. It's right there in the game and serves as the climax to the plot. I don't see how that could be perceived as anything else as fact. We can only speculate as to why Catalina left CJ to go off with Claude, but we do know she's an opportunist, greedy and selfish woman who hates men and will do whatever she can to make money. It's this stem of betrayal that ultimately turned Claude against her and this brings the story full circle. Catalina's appearance in SA is fan service, but it also sets up her origins in true "look, everybody came from the same place" R* fashion. Lioshenka 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHARMANDER50 Posted August 31, 2018 Author Share Posted August 31, 2018 1 minute ago, ∴ said: There's nothing to suggest at all that there are two Catalina's, and also nothing to suggest that Claude killing Catalina in GTAIII is non-canon. It's right there in the game and serves as the climax to the plot. I don't see how that could be perceived as anything else as fact. We can only speculate as to why Catalina left CJ to go off with Claude, but we do know she's an opportunist, greedy and selfish woman who hates men and will do whatever she can to make money. It's this stem of betrayal that ultimately turned Claude against her and this brings the story full circle. Catalina's appearance in SA is fan service, but it also sets up her origins in true "look, everybody came from the same place" R* fashion. The Catalina in GTA3 took a shot off Claude because Claude would not do the right thing, that is get rid of CJ. Death of Catalina is non--canon R* story. The REAL Catalina that CJ was with, doing some low -_level recon on low FPS , about the real story is all about the dirty work this CJ/Catalina did in LS San Andreas proves that CJ loves money more than his girl. Prompting notifications on Catalina to bounce outta CJ's turf not necessarily joining Claude. Canon ? Catalina left the building allowing the entry of a new Catalina in Claude's GTAIII canon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhoda Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 I'm still not seeing any evidence that there's two Catalina's... or that her death was somehow non-canonical? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Str33tD4wg Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 52 minutes ago, ∴ said: I'm still not seeing any evidence that there's two Catalina's... or that her death was somehow non-canonical? He's a troller. Ignore this kid. He looks for trouble everywhere! Lioshenka, Crossbones and Am Shaegar 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhoda Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 He's good. He got me. I'm still baffled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHARMANDER50 Posted September 1, 2018 Author Share Posted September 1, 2018 (edited) 10 hours ago, ∴ said: I'm still not seeing any evidence that there's two Catalina's... or that her death was somehow non-canonical? First off I share with you a important aspect in the CJ /Catalina run, where both hit on LS doing some crimes 459/211. Low profile as it may seem dough runs no.After this Catalina left the scene(departs from CJ canon).SA Catalina went home it meant canon. Catalina has been a Claude associate before clinging to CJ for a spec. Mission in SA gameplay although non--canon. Gameplay could be non--canon. Remember Catalina is closely associated to the Colombians.GTAIII Catalina. Liberty tree-----Manny Escuela Catalina(SA) leaves CJ for Claude in gameplay non--canon. In canon Catalina(GTAIII) SURNAME unknown is the leader of the Cartel. Edited September 1, 2018 by CHARMANDER50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lioshenka Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 (edited) I think I know what he means. Catalina that you rob the bank with and Catalina that you rob the liqueur store with are 2 different Catalinas. Moreover, Catalina that races with Claude is yet another Catalina. Most importantly, in the last cutscene there are two different Catalinas: one of them dumps Carl, and another one leaves with Claude. So embarrassing of R* to miss this obvious plothole. Edited September 1, 2018 by Lioshenka CHARMANDER50 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil empire Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 Catalina doesn't exist, she's another illusion from the Matrix. ^_^ Seriously speaking, in addition to a good set of missions and memorable dialogues Catalina's and Claude's cameo in GTA SA gives more sense to the scenario in GTA 3. It implies the psycho woman tried to murder Claude in 1992 which explains why she becomes a high-ranking member of the cartel and matches Claude's 10 years conviction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHARMANDER50 Posted September 4, 2018 Author Share Posted September 4, 2018 On 9/2/2018 at 7:23 AM, Lioshenka said: I think I know what he means. Catalina that you rob the bank with and Catalina that you rob the liqueur store with are 2 different Catalinas. Moreover, Catalina that races with Claude is yet another Catalina Most importantly, in the last cutscene there are two different Catalinas: one of them dumps Carl, and another one leaves with Claude So embarrassing of R* to miss this obvious plothole. Catalina is with CJ until Claude ( orders Catalina to dump CJ) , she immediately complies. Catalina goes back home to Red County. After The End of the Line mission, CJ is back in Grove Street , he receives the phone call from Catalina. (sandbox mode gameplay) Claude returns alone to Liberty City (GTAIII) . Intro cutscene in GTAIII proves that it ain't the same Catalina from SA. In the GTAIII Catalina ( Cartel) escapes from Claude THE EXCHANGE Mission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
