RDR2 PC Discussion & Speculation

[Jason]

40 minutes ago, fdiuhywsu said:

I think this is nowhere near enough for a permanent exclusive deal (and it would be the first if I'm not mistaken) on Epic store though. Also the "leaker" forgot that valve isn't taking a fixed 30% anymore.

Well it seems it's enough for Ubisoft because as far as I'm aware Ubisoft's PC titles aren't timed exclusives to the Epic Store, or whatever you call them, as they're also on uPlay.

 

Also the cut thing varies from dev to dev and what the leak refers to is something that's not talked about a lot but basically if you purchase DLC for a game you own on Steam they take a cut. With The Division 2 on the EGS people noticed that the DLC purchases don't touch Epic at all, the purchases done directly through uPlay. As far as we can tell Epic aren't even taking a penny from DLC purchases in TD2.

 

With modern games being the way they are DLC/mtx sales are incredibly important, so for publishers the option of getting the full cut for microtransactions is like, well, a no brainer.

[Fetooh]

RDR2 listed for switch https://www.gamesradar.com/red-dead-redemption-2-for-switch-listed-by-australian-retailer/

I think there is a mistake. Switch is too weak for game like RDR2.

[RedIndianRobin]

8 hours ago, happygrowls said:

If Borderlands 3's epic games exclusivity is anything to see, it's obvious alot of game devs are preferring EPG over Steam at the moment, and I don't blame them with Steam's shares not being ideal.

Of course Epic is Dev-friendly and very much anti-consumer. Also dev-friendly is a bit stretch. They charge less because they have jack sh*te worth of tools for moderating the game. 

 

The 30% cut is the industry standard. PS and MS takes the same cut. But somehow, Epic fanboys think Steam is unfair.

 

This entire EGS controversy is absolutely dividing the PC market just like The Last Jedi butchered the SW fanbase. It'll only be a while before we go back to see the sad state of PC gaming as it was 10 years ago. 

 

That being said, I am all out for competition. I have all launchers installed but I want Epic to introduce the basic feature a launcher should have. Search function, Proper Library sorting, cloud saves, Hours played, Achievements, etc. I'd be happy to spend money on it then.

 

In fact, I purchased The Division 2 from GMG for much cheaper and less people are whining about it because it is also available in Uplay. But alas, Rockstar doesn't have their own proper service in terms of scale of Uplay or Origin. Downloading updates via the RGSC has always been a nightmare. 

 

If RDR 2 is announced as an EGS exclusive, the backlash will be insane. I can bet you on that. 

[fdiuhywsu]

9 hours ago, Jason said:

Well it seems it's enough for Ubisoft because as far as I'm aware Ubisoft's PC titles aren't timed exclusives to the Epic Store, or whatever you call them, as they're also on uPlay.

We don't know that though, just the fact that TD2 DLCs are currenly only purchasable through uplay doesn't necessarily mean this was the only term of their exclusivity contract, or a term at all.

 

9 hours ago, Jason said:

Also the cut thing varies from dev to dev and what the leak refers to is something that's not talked about a lot but basically if you purchase DLC for a game you own on Steam they take a cut.

They do but (not 100% sure about this) I think the cut steam takes for DLCs sales is the same they take for games sales, and Rockstar would meet the threshold for lowering the cut to 25% and then to 20% in no time.

 

9 hours ago, Jason said:

With modern games being the way they are DLC/mtx sales are incredibly important, so for publishers the option of getting the full cut for microtransactions is like, well, a no brainer.

I agree, but then it would have been even better to just release exclusively on Uplay, if they are having an EGS third party store exclusive I'm pretty sure it's because they are receiving a big upfront payment and/or a minimum guaranteed sales agreement like everyone else who is doing timed exclusivity on epic store.

Edited April 5, 2019 by fdiuhywsu

[Hayden_]

There are so many features of Steam that make it worth it. Things such as screenshots, discussions, guides, etc. As you've said, the rate drops to 25% and then 20%. $10,000,000 in sales is required for 25% and $50,000,000 required for 20%. The Epic Games store and the Rockstar warehouse lack these features.

[Pentraksil]

1 hour ago, Hayden_ said:

There are so many features of Steam that make it worth it. Things such as screenshots, discussions, guides, etc. As you've said, the rate drops to 25% and then 20%. $10,000,000 in sales is required for 25% and $50,000,000 required for 20%. The Epic Games store and the Rockstar warehouse lack these features.

For me personally, lack of regional prices and third party resellers is the biggest NO for Epic Store. I also had numerous e-mail spams that someone is trying to access my account and the store refused to reset my password. All that plus the problems mentioned above.

 

That being said, those 30% are mostly when it comes directly from the store. When buying elsewhere (official resellers for example, where a lot of people are purchasing nowadays) most of it goes to the devs, Steam takes almost nothing. And they are fine with that. Also, as a lot of peeps mentioned above, everyone is so focused on that 30% only as a number, no one goes into huge amount of features and consumer and dev friendly options those 30% provide.

 

I really hope RDR2 is not an exclusive or that at least it will be available on Warehouse. Not sure, I think it is too big of a game to be available only on two stores, let alone one.

Edited April 5, 2019 by Pentraksil
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[Xerukal]

I'd say there's 0 chance of RDR2 being absent from Rockstar's own storefront. The Outer Worlds is available on the Microsoft Store because Microsoft owns Obsidian, so there's that.

 

If any deal is made with Rockstar/T2 and Epic, selling RDR2 on the R* Warehouse will most likely be one of the key points. That's still only two stores, though. As far as I'm concerned, Epic is embarrassing themselves by launching their store in the state that they did. Even Origin launched with more features. Now that's f*cking hilarious.

[Jason]

5 hours ago, fdiuhywsu said:

We don't know that though, just the fact that TD2 DLCs are currenly only purchasable through uplay doesn't necessarily mean this was the only term of their exclusivity contract, or a term at all.

Never said it was the only term, but it would be a big reason for any big publisher to make the switch.

 

The up front payments/guaranteed sales are likely to sway indie devs and smaller publishers but Ubisoft and Take-Two are massive, they don't really need either of those things on their own so it's not unreasonable to think that one of the main reasons as to why Ubisoft and Take-Two are being swayed is because of the lack of microtransaction cuts.

 

I'm just speculating that's the reason, yes, but we have evidence that The Division 2 mtx are purchased directly through uPlay. This could be a coincidence, but it makes sense.

[fdiuhywsu]

1 hour ago, Jason said:

Never said it was the only term, but it would be a big reason for any big publisher to make the switch.

 

The up front payments/guaranteed sales are likely to sway indie devs and smaller publishers but Ubisoft and Take-Two are massive, they don't really need either of those things on their own so it's not unreasonable to think that one of the main reasons as to why Ubisoft and Take-Two are being swayed is because of the lack of microtransaction cuts.

 

I'm just speculating that's the reason, yes, but we have evidence that The Division 2 mtx are purchased directly through uPlay. This could be a coincidence, but it makes sense.

Yes I agree on that, no mtx cut can certainly be an important reason, what I'm saying is that there's almost surely more to it, because leaving a platform like steam and its huge userbase for what is currently the worst and most controversial store on PC requires some very strong incentives. To return to the original point, this is the first reason why I thought of that 4chan leak as fake.

[Jason]

5 minutes ago, fdiuhywsu said:

because leaving a platform like steam and its huge userbase for what is currently the worst and most controversial store on PC requires some very strong incentives. 

Yea this is the odd situation. You would assume there's more to it and there might well be but honestly I just don't think they care.

 

Epic are preaching that they are "changing the industry for the better, but gamers don't see that yet" crap and I reckon publishers are buying into it, with Fortnite cash and no cuts for mtx purchases being the sweetener.

 

The Epic Games Store is 100% pro-publisher with how it's setup, that's why Take-Two, Ubisoft, THQ Nordic and no doubt others in the near future are all jumping in on it. They care little about consumers and competition.

[monk70]

Guys, let's face it, We all know how R* are greedy. So agreement for Epic Store exclusivity for RDR2 sounds reasonable. Of course it will be available it R* Warehouse. Honestly I don't care about Steam vs EGS war. Only thing I care is RDR2 come to PC.

[Slappy212]

44 minutes ago, monk70 said:

Guys, let's face it, We all know how R* are greedy. So agreement for Epic Store exclusivity for RDR2 sounds reasonable. Of course it will be available it R* Warehouse. Honestly I don't care about Steam vs EGS war. Only thing I care is RDR2 come to PC.

It doesn't make sense when they can sell it on their store as well as Steam and make more money than an exclusivity deal. This is RS. The money offered by Epic would be a joke. If Outer Worlds and Ubi titles aren't exclusive, you can be sure RDR2 won't be either. 

Edited April 5, 2019 by Slappy212

[Gummy]

21 hours ago, Fetooh said:

RDR2 listed for switch https://www.gamesradar.com/red-dead-redemption-2-for-switch-listed-by-australian-retailer/

I think there is a mistake. Switch is too weak for game like RDR2.

Even though RDR2 is very unlikely to hit the Switch, a port of RDR1 + Undead Nightmare would be a dream if they ever get around to fixing the code. Hell, it'd be a day 1 purchase for me.

[monk70]

1 hour ago, Slappy212 said:

It doesn't make sense when they can sell it on their store as well as Steam and make more money than an exclusivity deal. This is RS. The money offered by Epic would be a joke. If Outer Worlds and Ubi titles aren't exclusive, you can be sure RDR2 won't be either. 

As I said, RDR2 will be in R* Warehouse for sure. For exclusivity I mean no Steam release whatsoever. And you wrong - EGS has more more registered users than Steam. So theoretically EGS costumer base is bigger than Steam base. That's not only about Epic money for exclusive deal, but about difference between 30% on Steam from each copy of the game and 12% on EGS. Obviously R* can make more money from EGS + R* Warhouse than Steam + R* Warehouse.

Edited April 5, 2019 by monk70

[Slappy212]

2 minutes ago, monk70 said:

. And you wrong - EGS has more more registered user than Steam. So theoretically EGS costumer base is bigger than Steam's. 

Proof? I find this highly dubious.

[Jason]

The Epic Games Store userbase is primarily Fortnite players. You need a Fortnite/Epic account to play Fortnite, and your Fortnite account is an Epic Games Store account.

 

That's not the case with Steam. Steam's userbase is much, much, much more valuable to a developer/publisher than the EGS's userbase.

[monk70]

14 minutes ago, Slappy212 said:

Proof? I find this highly dubious. 

https://www.pcgamer.com/steam-now-has-90-million-monthly-users/

https://www.businessinsider.com/epic-games-store-total-users-2019-3

 

Well ok, I'm wrong. EGS has 85 mil, Steam has 90 mil monthly. But 12% vs 30% make the difference.

 

12 minutes ago, Jason said:

The Epic Games Store userbase is primarily Fortnite players. You need a Fortnite/Epic account to play Fortnite, and your Fortnite account is an Epic Games Store account.

 

That's not the case with Steam. Steam's userbase is much, much, much more valuable to a developer/publisher than the EGS's userbase.

 

Theoretically every Fortine player can be RDR2 player. And you know that Metro Exodus on EGS has sold 2.5 better than Metro Last Light on Steam?

https://www.dsogaming.com/news/metro-exodus-sold-2-5x-times-better-on-the-epic-store-than-metro-last-light-on-steam/

Edited April 5, 2019 by monk70

[Quinn_flower]

Now this is a rumor...for now....

 

 

doesnt surprise me at this point with epic....

And take 2 at this point. 

 

Also rip....there goes the playerbase. 

 

Epic sucks Their launcher is spyware for the Chinese and they are killing pc.

 

 

Rumour - Red Dead Redemption 2 to be revealed as an Epic Games Store Exclusive on PC

Red Dead Redemption 2 was easily the most popular console release of 2018, making the game's lack of a PC version a huge negative for the platform. Even so, a PC release of the game was always expected after the game's initial outing on consoles, much like what happened with both Grand Theft Auto IV, L.A. Noire and Grand Theft Auto V. 

Some rumours have started circulating about Red Dead Redemption's PC version, though before we go into any more details, we will note that the source is from 4chan. With this in mind, take this rumour with a mountain of salt, though we will note that a lot of what is mentioned makes sense given the current PC gaming landscape. 

The 4chan leaker states that Red Dead Redemption 2's PC version will be revealed on April 22nd as an Epic Games Store exclusive, with the full game having a planned release date of July 19th 2019. The post also mentions that this is not a timed exclusive, but a permanent one, with Epic Games and Take-Two, the owner or Rockstar Games, creating a deal which will give the company full profit on any DLC that's released for the game's PC version. 

Now before we dismiss this report entirely, it is worth noting that Take-Two has already agreed to release Borderlands 3 as an Epic Games Store timed exclusive, a deal which makes future game collaboration/partnerships more likely. On top of that, Valve takes a 30% cut from all DLC sales and in-game purchases, making Take-Two's reported deal highly valuable for the company. Epic's lower cut from general game sales is also a huge incentive for a game as large as Red Dead Redemption 2.  

While the source of this rumour is one that should not be taken seriously, what is said makes a lot of sense for both Epic Games and Take-Two. Red Dead Redemption 2 would be a massive draw for the Epic Games Store, and Take-Two would undoubtedly want to generate the maximum amount of revenue per sale that they can.  

 

 

 

 

https://www.overclock3d.net/news/software/rumour_-_red_dead_redemption_2_to_be_revealed_as_an_epic_games_store_exclusive_on_pc/1?fbclid=IwAR0Ijx7v6ZfI_4ZdYZT2Viddcc5c0t1Ign88nv9-kpmbEb8kCGa5o4IQCHM

Edited April 5, 2019 by Quinn_flower

[Tez2]

It's kind of hilarious to see that R* update the PC version alongside the console versions for events.

They are drip-feeding their developers or something ?

[MrQuiche]

17 minutes ago, Fun 2 said:

It's kind of hilarious to see that R* update the PC version alongside the console versions for events.

They are drip-feeding their developers or something ?

What? How do you know that? Was to be expected but still trying to figure out how you know this

[Hayden_]

2 minutes ago, MrQuiche said:

What? How do you know that? Was to be expected but still trying to figure out how you know this

https://twitter.com/tezfunz2

His Twitter I believe

[Jason]

51 minutes ago, monk70 said:

Theoretically every Fortine player can be RDR2 player.

Well first of all, much (likely most) of that EGS userbase plays on console/mobile and not PC. Secondly, EGS's PC userbase is made up of almost entirely Fortnite PC players who prefer to buy their games on Steam or other platforms.

 

Even then if you're banking on the hope that everyone of those Fortnite PC players might be someone willing to buy another PC game on the same store you're playing a pretty stupid and risky game because your alternative store, Steam, is made up of a userbase who are almost all willing to purchase PC games and have been doing so for over a decade.

 

57 minutes ago, monk70 said:

And you know that Metro Exodus on EGS has sold 2.5 better than Metro Last Light on Steam?

https://www.dsogaming.com/news/metro-exodus-sold-2-5x-times-better-on-the-epic-store-than-metro-last-light-on-steam/

The first two Metro games were much smaller affairs than Exodus, linear horror-survival games that were fairly niche overall. Exodus made the switch to open world (or semi open world or whatever it is) and had a much bigger marketing budget + significantly more brand awareness.

 

Also, you know, 2.5x is not a sales figure. It mostly just screams "we didn't actually sell that many copies but we sold more than our last game 6 years ago!".

[Slappy212]

Anyone who thinks Epic will overtake Steam in the long run is severely mistaken. 

[Pentraksil]

As many mentioned above, R* is greedy and those exclusive deals require a lot of juice. So it really makes me wonder what kind of money would cover the switch to Epic for RDR2? This is not Borderlands, this is not Metro or some indie game....No matter how great or popular those games are this is still RDR2 we are talking about, a literal behemoth in terms of sales, most profitable entertainment product launch after GTA V..... What kind of money would be enough for greedy R* to have such a deal? It is not impossible for this to happen, but I am not so sure if even Epic has enough money for that kind of deal......We shall see.

[RedIndianRobin]

5 hours ago, monk70 said:

Theoretically every Fortine player can be RDR2 player. And you know that Metro Exodus on EGS has sold 2.5 better than Metro Last Light on Steam?

https://www.dsogaming.com/news/metro-exodus-sold-2-5x-times-better-on-the-epic-store-than-metro-last-light-on-steam/

"Every Fortnite player can be RDR 2 player"

 

This is the most hilarious thing I'm reading today. Yeah right!

 

"Exodus sold 2.5x more than MLL"

 

Well duh! Of course a AAA game coming out in 2019 will sell better than its predecessor. But does EPIC has the guts to release actual sales figures of Exodus sales on EGS? Of course not. 

[TheSiphon]

7 hours ago, monk70 said:

Theoretically every Fortine player can be RDR2 player. And you know that Metro Exodus on EGS has sold 2.5 better than Metro Last Light on Steam?

https://www.dsogaming.com/news/metro-exodus-sold-2-5x-times-better-on-the-epic-store-than-metro-last-light-on-steam/

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The game could have been sold by a gypsy on the street corner and it would have sold more copies than Metro Last Light.

Previous Metro games a lot smaller in scale and had a smaller fan base. Metro Exodus instead was a AAA title with a pretty big marketing campaign. I would still bet that Exodus would have sold more copies on Steam and without the whole controversy surrounding it.

[Xerukal]

That's correct. Had Exodus been on both Epic and Steam, it unarguably would have sold more overall. There's no detriment to having the game on more stores, and there's certainly no benefit to us as consumers to have it be on just one. Though many will gladly argue otherwise, for some reason. 

Edited April 6, 2019 by Xerukal

[Hayden_]

30 minutes ago, Xerukal said:

That's correct. Had Exodus been on both Epic and Steam, it unarguably would have sold more overall. There's no detriment to having the game on more stores, and there's certainly no benefit to us as consumers to have it be on just one. Though many will gladly argue otherwise, for some reason. 

Agreed. I haven't bought it as it's not on Steam. I'll wait until it's on Steam to purcahse. Hopefully these developers & publishers realise that having it on Steam is better.

[LUK4]

RDR2 is the only game that I would buy on EGS, so if that is what it takes I'm ok with it. But that wouldn't make me switch to EGS so it's kinda pointless

[Hayden_]

22 minutes ago, LUK4 said:

RDR2 is the only game that I would buy on EGS, so if that is what it takes I'm ok with it. But that wouldn't make me switch to EGS so it's kinda pointless

Wouldn't you just buy it from the Rockstar Warehouse? That way you're 100% supporting them and not supporting Epic.