Kicked from session for no reason

[White Shark]

43 minutes ago, Killer Whale said:

Sometimes I have no time to make a message before the kick me. Other times I have left a message telling them I'm no griefer yet they still kick me. And on rarer occasions you get kicked out of your own MTU lobby by someone who just joined. I know and get why they do it, but I still find it annoying when they do it to me, someone with no power to vote against anyone else. I get my 580 level isn't helping my case, but that's what happens when you play the game a lot.

 

I will say there were times I've sold product on a lobby with 2 to 4 people successfully grief-free, and I've thanked them for not interrupting. But there are days where I just get kicked from 3 consecutive lobbies. I mean, is it really their lobbies? Is it Rockstar's?

I will

Pre-empt them then and trigger a solo session using your network settings.  

[ScrappyBauer]

Pro tip for the dickheads like me; you can start a Hostile Takeover and grief the entitled morons without getting kicked for like 30 minutes.

[justinlynch3]

23 minutes ago, ScrappyBauer said:

Pro tip for the dickheads like me; you can start a Hostile Takeover and grief the entitled morons without getting kicked for like 30 minutes.

And your the part of the reason nobody trusts anybody else in gta.

 

"Oh I got a kick alert, people don't want me in the lobby.   I could leave and find a new session, but screw that.    I'm going to start a mission and make everybody else life as miserably as I can for as long as I can."

 

And then people wonder why crews vote kick strangers out of sessions.    Well I wonder freaking why. lol

[ScrappyBauer]

Hey i'm just playing GTA... a game about criminals, psychos, lowlifes and all the other excess of detritus that lives in LS, i'm just doing my civic duty.

I've played GTA that way since GTA1 and i'm not going to stop playing like that because now there's some real people who might get their feelings hurt because of some stupid videogame. F*ck them, they should get a thicker skin.

Edited August 11, 2018 by ScrappyBauer

[justinlynch3]

32 minutes ago, ScrappyBauer said:

Hey i'm just playing GTA... a game about criminals, psychos, lowlifes and all the other excess of detritus that lives in LS, i'm just doing my civic duty.

I've played GTA that way since GTA1 and i'm not going to stop playing like that because now there's some real people who might get their feelings hurt because of some stupid videogame. F*ck them, they should get a thicker skin.

Except the people we're talking about probably has a lot of time invested into what they are doing.

 

If you wanted to pick fights with any random smuck in the lobby, have at it.    But people that troll others almost always go after business sales or people doing missions.    They go out of their way, ignoring 20 other players in a lobby they could fight with, just to pick on the 1 guy (or crew of guys) who want to be left alone, all because their is a red dot/icon on the screen..      

 

Some of this stuff takes days to collect.     Imagine your doing a 111 crate sale and some idiot dickhead destroys your stuff.     That's days of effort gone.     There is simply no defending that, and you can't blame people who'll do everything in their power to avoid that.

 

It's not about needing thicker skin, it's about protect ones investment and all the hours of grinding they've put in.

 

 

If I was just cruising around the map in a muscle car doing nothing and you killed me, I wouldn't really care.    I'd either fight back or go passive mode and move on.     If I'm moving hours or days wroth of product and you destroy me costing me everything, then yea, I'm going to care a hell of a lot more in that situation.

 

 

This is why the whole vote kick abuse situation exists, because people don't want to deal with that.      Rockstar created this mess, and it could easily go away if they opened up the business stuff to private/crew sessions.     However I don't see that happening, and as a result if being vote kicked gets under your own thin skin, well it's a pretty bleek looking future in gta. lol

 

[R3CON]

I used to be one of the strongest advocates against vote-kicking, but I've engaged in the process fairly often myself to protect friends. I play with a number of people who spend their time grinding freeroam work and businesses. We get a good grind going switching between the various businesses and CEO Orgs/MCs from person to person helping everyone out. Usually the lobby only contains the small group of 6-8 friendly grinders but sometimes there are randoms. Usually those randoms turn violent at some point. 

 

Not All randoms are gonna attack you, fine. But all it takes is one and the moment you stop checking the player list every 10seconds is the moment it happens. Give one person the benefit of the doubt only to have someone new (or even that same seemingly chill person from before) swoop in and destroy your cargo. It happens everytime. You can't trust anyone. 

 

Friend says "hey kick this person" while in the midst of freeroam work and I obediently and immediately oblige just to help out the cause. I'm not going to take a chance with their sales to debate some existential quandry over the fairness of vote-kicking once we're live, in-game actively moving product in real time. I'll play ball, just to help you out, as a friend. 

 

But that having been said. I don't initiate vote kicks. I don't care enough. Nor do I think I own the lobby. I've done it and will do it again to help friends. But outside of their recommendations, this isn't how I would go about it. Personally I would just lag myself out instead of kicking someone else. It's a public lobby. People have a right to join me by default as a natural function of the game's multiplayer aspect. Random players are supposed to join the lobby by design. It's inevitable and it's intended. Which brings me to my next point.

 

I fully support people attacking organizations who vote kick them without messaging them first or without any previous provocation. Sure you want the safe lobby to yourself. That's a personal problem. Lag yourself out or find a new session with less people. You want to make your personal problems my problems by forcing me to leave? Message me first. Communicate your goals and intentions. Fail to do so and you're forcibly interrupting my gameplay literally on the strength of your own paranoid bullsh*t. That's not fair to me or anyone. People who take it upon themselves to control lobbies so much so they kick people at will deserve to be attacked. Just to send a message. 

 

"but you're just proving their point"

 

They're already at the stage of kicking people at will. They've reached the mental finish line of whether or not it's okay to trust players. The answer is no and the method of dealing with it is already at it's most extreme. Some people go further and grief people out  of the lobby. Pre-emptively become the monster against people who have the potential to become monsters against them. So what do I have to lose here? Can't tell these people that what they're doing is wrong. They're convinced it's the only way and nothing's going to shake that perspective. Their actions aren't the problem. Rockstar is the problem. There's never any accountability with these people.  So attacking them in retaliation for the vote kick is a message that you're not just going to have your way at my expense. You can't just hijack lobbies and do whatever you want. It's not going to end well. So let that be a lesson to you. 

 

I understand why people vote kick others, but I also understand why people get attacked in retaliation. 

 

But alas, this isn't how I would go about it myself either. Very rarely do I have time to avoid a vote kick. It usually happens too swiftly and too unexpectedly for me to stop it once it's in progress. Once I was able to do this by running a VIP job thanks to instructions given from this very forum. But I didn't attack them in that situation either, I just wanted to rub it in their faces.

 

Thankfully it doesn't progress beyond that. Usually when I enter a lobby with less than 20 people I find a new session.  I prefer packed public lobbies when I play this game. I really find invite only and crew sessions to be boring; might as well play story mode. So I go right for the heat of the action. 

 

When I only see a few people in the lobby I understand they're probably after the peace and quiet of seclusion. They probably don't want to engage in PvP and back and forth kills and they probably also have intentions to sell. Join a small lobby and turns out most people there are in an organization or working with each other. No need to stay unless I'm on the same wave. So I usually always leave the session immediately so I don't worry them out or put them in the situation of vote kicking me. I'll do them the favor. 

 

Only time I don't voluntarily change sessions is if I want to stay and help them out myself. A simple "friendly" message or a few words along the lines of "not going to kill you/attack you" should suffice. Until Rockstar makes it easier to sell without risk, people gotta do what they gotta do. But those actions have consequences. I play on both sides of the fence. Unsure what the right or wrong path here is, but I will say that it's always best to take yourself out the situation first.

Edited August 11, 2018 by R3CON

[livejoker]

Guys, guys, you're looking at this whole "kicked from a lobby" thing wrong. You didn't get kicked from a lobby, you were unanimously invited into another one!
 

 

2 hours ago, justinlynch3 said:

Imagine your doing a 111 crate sale and some idiot dickhead destroys your stuff. That's days of effort gone. There is simply no defending that, and you can't blame people who'll do everything in their power to avoid that.

This is the biggest point to retain here. Sure, whoever is doing crate sales when there's I/E (which is a much faster/less effort money maker) is insane but the choice is there. Want to grind crates for days for good money? Go for it, it's your playtime. That same answer applies to selling crates and getting it blown up in SECONDS: it's your playtime. All that playtime wasted in seconds. A grind with no reward. I'm sure many of us were at that point where we had a Titan full of crates and we saw that jet icon coming near and hearing that "beep beep BEEP!" lock-on sound. We collectively pissed ourselves and grounded our teeth, knowing we were screwed.

I'm against lobby-kicking to an extent. If you appear in a lobby of, say, 3 people, invite your friend in and you two begin to kick the others until you have an empty lobby you're a prick. You're a massive prick. You're like Eiffel Tower sized prick. Those people were enjoying a solitude experience and rather than joining in you dismantled their lobby so you could have your own. I'll fully admit I was one of these around 2015-2016. I grew as a person, A.K.A I found glitches. Now I lag myself out of a lobby. Before the NAT Type glitch on Xbox One I would start up a program on my laptop to lag my router and once that was done I'd stream Netflix paired with my sh*tty internet I could have an empty lobby for hours. I put in the effort to not bother anyone and that justifies kicking anyone that joins my lagged-out lobby. Plus, with known techniques free to find on the internet (forums/youtube) there's no excuse to moan about this when you can create your own lobby.

 

@R3CON and @justinlynch3 really hit it on the head on why and when kicking is justifiable as well as not being a hindrance to other players. It's easy to blame the GTA community for being toxic (which, if you play long enough, you'll find it has some toxic bits) but it's also easy to lay off the kick button and head for that "Send Message" button. Strike up a chat and see what's up, you know?

Edited August 11, 2018 by livejoker
I read the rest of the thread lol

[Lonely-Martin]

^ Had that argument too, lol.

 

Apparently people are offended by the thought of 'begging others to play GTA:O' 

 

It's beneath them to communicate, lol.

Edited August 11, 2018 by KWF1981

[whywontyoulisten]

I joined a small lobby, all different crews, most people AFKing, and got kick votes, so I started Headhunter and killed everyone who was outside once before completing the mission and leaving.

[thepiebaker]

On 8/10/2018 at 6:21 AM, YouKnowWhoIAm said:

Get used to it. It's going to happen and those who kick will push the blame on to someone else and attempt to justify that dickish behaviour for no reason is OK. I can't accept it's Rockstar's fault entirely, we all know ways to empty a session, it's common knowledge. If they want an empty session they should make it themselves rather than bully other people and force them out.

 

You have a choice. Leave the session and submit to the bullies or be as big of a dick in return. There are many ways you can be a bigger dick to them but it really comes down to if you can be bothered to stand up to the bullies and waste your time or not.

 

Arrogant, self centered, entitled bullies is all they are. People wouldn't stand for that anywhere else. It's why I try to stay in full sessions with lots of other people, there's less chance of someone thinking they are able to bully everyone out of the session and quite honestly, those occasional jet trolls in a full public session are less of an annoyance.

Theres only so many solutions. Some people want to do this work with friends and just friends. Xbox doesn't have mtu or port blocking or firewalls. Just either unplug ethernet cable and replug or test nat

 

Test nat makes it neigh impossible for people to join, even through direct friend invites. The odd random comes in once in awhile but it's never for long.

 

The unplug and replug cable is a pain in the poopdeck however I can then invite friends but half the time before friends can go into cloud simulator a randumb joins in and we have to kick the unlucky sod. Not their fault however there existence is a foot in the door for more people and more chances of an asshole.

 

I COULD lag a new lobby HOWEVER that would mean I have to do it every 5 minutes spend the next 15 inviting friends as they cloud simulate. And whoops gotta make a new new lobby. Its NOT worth giving ducks over someone's hurt feelings. They just joined into the lobby I made they can spend a bit more time in the clouds it's not like the kicks interrupting their gang attack. Theyll live. The BS points acquired are minuscule and easily countered by completing missions. This day and age you either need to legitimately try to get in BS or timeshare dunce caps to get in it.

Edited August 11, 2018 by thepiebaker

[StangOne50]

16 hours ago, No Homing said:

People joining my solo lobby and trying to kick me equals me starting vip work and jet griefing the sh*tfaces.

It's like they're asking for it.

haha this happened to me the other day. Was just me and one other guy in the lobby on opposite sides of the map. Im just chillin and suddenly I get the kick vote lol

I messaged him asking why he voted to kick me and he just answers with what? like he didnt do it lol

Thats when I hopped in my jet and made him wish he hadnt voted to kick me lol

[secrecy274]

Just accidentally joined on a friend while searching for a new session. He were in a session with around 9 guys with the same clan tag and a few with different tags. Sessions seems calm so I go to my office and start some Vehicle Sourcing. Gets an easy mission and easily grab the car with my bob and starts flying towards my Warehouse. 2sec away from it I get the message that people are voting to kick me.

 

Well, if I'm going to get the bad sport points and be forcible removed from the session, why not have a little fun? I fly and park the car at the top of Maze Bank, grab my Hydra and starts killing them. They fought like tryhards, I might add, with some suicides, explosive spam and through-wall shooting. Orbital Strikes as well.

 

Despite all that they got me once, think I raked up 20~30 kills or so.

Screw people who hugs sessions to themselves.

Edited August 11, 2018 by secrecy274

[Queenslayer]

Usually we keep our solo public lobbies and any outsiders are immediately kicked.  I don't feel bad whatsoever.

[elfoam]

Usual story OP, that's why you should always stay inside VIP work in this game and if you ever see a vote kick message, kill everyone

 

 

[SaltyGTAFMember]

People still encouraging cheating on gta online.

 

See kick messages, start ceo missions > blow them up> drink their tears > throw some salt> profit!! 

[ALifeOfMisery]

This subject again? I'm not easily bored but f*ck me.

 

Is the search function completely f*cked or something? This subject seems to come around like Mondays.

 

On topic.

 

I don't like the kick function, I don't think many do. I've used it and had it used against me. It's not personal, it takes a majority vote that has a cool down timer and until R* allow sales in invite lobbies or change/remove the kick function it will continue to be used in the fashion it is currently used regardless of any negative feelings anyone has towards it.

[DrKrankenstein]

bubblewrap society taught them this. safespace behavior, in a game about violence, murder, and glorified hatred.

they want what's not there. sure they can have a lobby to themselves for a while. but sooner or later someone will join, big deal. the only people who deserve a votekick are, modders, cheaters, and people picking on low lvls. 

 

the others that votekick you for just being there: beta material. they don't make it in the real world, and won't make it in here, they can try though. 

[Big Molio]

Vote kickers are the scum of the earth. When the votes start coming in, start Haulage or something, then go and blow them and their stuff up for a full thirty minutes. 

[hugh750]

i've been kicked from sessons before for no reason by crews.

 

Edited August 11, 2018 by hugh750

[Yellow Dog with Cone]

2 hours ago, Big Molio said:

Vote kickers are the scum of the earth. When the votes start coming in, start Haulage or something, then go and blow them and their stuff up for a full thirty minutes. 

And people who destroy cargo aren't as bad, if not worse?

 

And before you retort with the same old tired response of "it's part of the game" well, kicking is part of the game too, so?

 

It's good to know that we still have the same people here who completely miss the point of why people kick in the first place, but sure, keep "teaching them a lesson", that show 'em!

 

I love the hypocrisy of this community that screams "griefing!!!1" at literally everything but at the same time go out of their way to disrupt the very same countermeasure that came up because of said griefing in the first place.

Edited August 11, 2018 by Voodoo-Hendrix

[secrecy274]

29 minutes ago, Voodoo-Hendrix said:

And people who destroy cargo aren't as bad, if not worse?

 

And before you retort with the same old tired response of "it's part of the game" well, kicking is part of the game too, so?

 

It's good to know that we still have the same people here who completely miss the point of why people kick in the first place, but sure, keep "teaching them a lesson", that show 'em!

 

I love the hypocrisy of this community that screams "griefing!!!1" at literally everything but at the same time go out of their way to disrupt the very same countermeasure that came up because of said griefing in the first place.

Love how you bundle a community of a few thousand people into one single entity.

[BlackMilk]

This wouldn't happen as much if "friendly fire" was off by default in public sessions or if Rockstar never introduced businesses (that require public sessions) to a game in a series that used to just be about "honest", open crimes like stealing vehicles, gang violence and breaking stuff. Any of these things will work well on their own in a GTA title but if you put them together you get a giant mess.

 

One can change connection settings to try and get a safe public session. But that does not mean you can do everything in there. Try selling product from an MC business with three postal vans on your own. Even if you could somehow make it (I only sell long range, maybe it's do-able short range by some miracle) it's beyond tedious and annoying. Special cargo, cars, nightclub sales and such can usually be done quite easily by yourself. That's good for those empty public sessions even though you won't get the additional payout because of the risk factor. Other things aren't so easy, like anyone should know. And secondly, if there is anything we should be able to agree on it's that it is ridiculous that to just play a game without major interference, things like altering MTU are required.

 

If you try to execute large sales in populated public sessions, you're stupid. I would say crazy or stupid, but it's really just stupid. Why such harsh words? Well think about it. It's near impossible to guarantee the safety of you or your stock even if you're being protected by a group of friends. There's too many ways for players (lone wolves or groups) to take you down. Stealth helicopters, orbital cannons? Come on.

Alternatively you genuinely don't mind losing all that stock because you really buy that "THE RISK OF LOSING EVERYTHING MAKES THE GAME FUN" bullcrap. Hey, it's fine if you take it so lightly. But remember, we're talking about LARGE sales here. You spent a lot of time and/or money to build up that stock. Which is all for nothing then. You want PvP? Why bother filling up a warehouse with stuff to sell if you want to fight when you can just go out and shoot someone in the face?

 

"Oh yeah? Well with the nightclub I don't have to do anything to make stock anymore!" True. But you invested a small fortune just to get something redundant started. Good job, buddy. As for any other business, you're constantly paying, stealing, collecting and whatnot all to get stock built up. Point is, trying to move product in high volumes (that you can't sell solo) is a dangerous endeavour. People are going to want to safeguard their investment. An investment that may have taken hundreds of thousands of in-game dollars or (take cargo warehouses) dozens of hours. No sane person chooses to put in that time (and money, but mostly time) and then makes the decision to just throw it away. There's hardly a clearer example of wasting time in our short, short lives.

 

So yeah. You're going to get kicked by groups of people who see cool stuff in GTA:O. Then they see the price tag. Then they see the businesses. One thing leads to another and they're going to do what they can to get cash in their little virtual hands. Yeah, it's their choice. But it's one of the few that makes any sense if you care about your load. That doesn't make it less of a d*ck move, but this all happened because of Rockstar deciding it's a good day to put this stuff into a game that very obviously encourages PvP action. And that is putting it mildly.

 

I don't like getting kicked, but if I join a session now and I see a large crew group, I leave immediately. If I get a notice that someone is voting against me, I leave also. I play alone and have no way of countering those kicks and because of my online experiences, I don't like giving people the satisfaction of having successfully kicked me. I'll show myself out instead. Make a habit out of that and you'll be fine.

[Guest Member2756931]

11 hours ago, thepiebaker said:

Test nat makes it neigh impossible for people to join, even through direct friend invites. The odd random comes in once in awhile but it's never for long.

Hah, testing the nat is how many of my friends create empty sessions yet it's never a problem joining them. Hell, I get thrown in there when just joining online, half the time I want a full session.

 

Being impossible to join couldn't be further from the truth.

[Volganor]

19 hours ago, R3CON said:

-- snip --

It's because of posts like this one that you're always one of the first people I think about whenever I remember the awards season at the end of the year. Bravo, you mirror my opinion on this issue perfectly.

 

Also, great, this subject again.

[Spectre "2K"]

i don't mind vote kicking if the person isn't being compliant, but if you're one of those people that's too scared to send a message before kicking i'm gonna kick your ass, that sh*t annoys the f*ck out of me 

[lll-H-I-M-lll]

7 hours ago, SaltyGTAFMember said:

People still encouraging cheating on gta online.

 

See kick messages, start ceo missions > blow them up> drink their tears > throw some salt> profit!! 

Give them a reason too kick. If im in a quiet session not engaging in their activitys and kicks come while im been peaceful then they're getting rekt

 

They will regret it  

 

[thepiebaker]

52 minutes ago, YouKnowWhoIAm said:

Hah, testing the nat is how many of my friends create empty sessions yet it's never a problem joining them. Hell, I get thrown in there when just joining online, half the time I want a full session.

 

Being impossible to join couldn't be further from the truth.

For mine its impossible. The closest we've been able to join is sitting in the clouds for 30 mins

[Black-Dragon96]

33 minutes ago, HARBUJAHN said:

They will regret it  

 

Except they wont, because they feel confirmed.

They feared that you are hostile and in their eyes you turned out to be hostile.

[Verbal Soze]

On 8/10/2018 at 11:59 AM, Gregistopal said:

I was in a session with 5 separate ceos for like half an hour didn’t kill any of them and suddenly “you have been kicked by other players” this has happened like 5-6 times in the past few days and I’m honestly afraid that I’m gonna get put into a badsport lobby because of people that want an empty session

I've been there too man, these guys are the spoiled rats imo, why the feck did they kick you out? I mean if they don't want to mingle with other players why not use the MTU or the NAT test in Xone, so they can grind peacefully right? Why in the feck did they have to kick other players, I just don't get it...

[hugh750]

2 minutes ago, Verbal Soze said:

I've been there too man, these guys are the spoiled rats imo, why the feck did they kick you out? I mean if they don't want to mingle with other players why not use the MTU or the NAT test in Xone, so they can grind peacefully right? Why in the feck did they have to kick other players, I just don't get it...

i know it's a dirty thing to do.