Kicked from session for no reason

[Gregistopal]

I was in a session with 5 separate ceos for like half an hour didn’t kill any of them and suddenly “you have been kicked by other players” this has happened like 5-6 times in the past few days and I’m honestly afraid that I’m gonna get put into a badsport lobby because of people that want an empty session

[justinlynch3]

4 minutes ago, Gregistopal said:

I was in a session with 5 separate ceos for like half an hour didn’t kill any of them and suddenly “you have been kicked by other players” this has happened like 5-6 times in the past few days and I’m honestly afraid that I’m gonna get put into a badsport lobby because of people that want an empty session

It doesn't matter if they are different CEO's, they maybe be friends doing their own business stuff.    Look at the crew tags, if they are in the same crew, leave right away.     Also watch out for the notice rockstar gives you warning you people are voting to kick you, if you see that, leave.

 

With Rockstar forcing so many aspects of the game into public sessions and with the general community being assholes, people tend to group together with their friends and kick anybody they don't know.    Me and my buddy tend to do this a lot, we won't even text a guy to see if they are peaceful.    We see somebody we don't know, pause menu-players-kick, no questions asked.

 

Now we could use MTU sessions or such, but then we can't play together with friends.    Sure they can join my lobby, but since it'd MTU'd they'd the lobby would split 5-10 minutes later putting us in different sessions.    So most time we just find a empty public session then we claim control of it for as long as we can.

 

If Rockstar allowed us to do stuff in crew sessions then this type of issue with people voting to kick you wouldn't exist.    But since Rockstar has this hard on boner for putting everything in public lobbies, crews will often group together and do what they need to do to insure they keep their product safe.     Nobody wants to spend hours building this stuff up just to have some troll destroy it all.

 

The only way I see this issue going away is if Rockstar actually just removed the kick feature.     Otherwise if you join a small lobby, especially with multiple people sharing the same crew, expect a kick coming your way.

[Gregistopal]

25 minutes ago, justinlynch3 said:

It doesn't matter if they are different CEO's, they maybe be friends doing their own business stuff.    Look at the crew tags, if they are in the same crew, leave right away.     Also watch out for the notice rockstar gives you warning you people are voting to kick you, if you see that, leave.

 

With Rockstar forcing so many aspects of the game into public sessions and with the general community being assholes, people tend to group together with their friends and kick anybody they don't know.    Me and my buddy tend to do this a lot, we won't even text a guy to see if they are peaceful.    We see somebody we don't know, pause menu-players-kick, no questions asked.

 

Now we could use MTU sessions or such, but then we can't play together with friends.    Sure they can join my lobby, but since it'd MTU'd they'd the lobby would split 5-10 minutes later putting us in different sessions.    So most time we just find a empty public session then we claim control of it for as long as we can.

 

If Rockstar allowed us to do stuff in crew sessions then this type of issue with people voting to kick you wouldn't exist.    But since Rockstar has this hard on boner for putting everything in public lobbies, crews will often group together and do what they need to do to insure they keep their product safe.     Nobody wants to spend hours building this stuff up just to have some troll destroy it all.

 

The only way I see this issue going away is if Rockstar actually just removed the kick feature.     Otherwise if you join a small lobby, especially with multiple people sharing the same crew, expect a kick coming your way.

See but I didn’t join the lobby I was in the lobby before them 

[AsphaltTrench]

This is pretty much the norm when it comes to making money in Public Freemode. Don't want to risk losing the money due to someone attacking you

[Quadro]

Change MTU - > do couple of hours work of missions - > back to normal 

[justinlynch3]

39 minutes ago, Gregistopal said:

See but I didn’t join the lobby I was in the lobby before them 

Again it doesn't matter.    As I said above it's all about finding a safe lobby.    You could be the first one to find a empty lobby, but if a group of 2-3-4 friends or crew join you, well they out number you 2-3-4 - 1.    They will kick you and steal your lobby from you.     This, I admit, me and my buddy are also guilty of doing as well.

[Gregistopal]

Just had a guy say “get out of this session modder” and he has messages and freind requests blocked so I couldn’t even send him a screenshot of my stats screen showing my 79 day playtime 

[Sanches]

Welcome to to the club, buddy.
I mean, welcome out of the club, buddy!

[Mr Spanky]

Last night, I was in a solo session, was joined by a lvl389, then a few minutes later, a lvl88, different crew tags

 

I was using my female character, lvl142, minding my own business, doing a NC popularity mission, got the notification about players voting to kick me, only just got back to my NC to complete the mission before I was kicked 

[Lonely-Martin]

Can be tedious, but it's all on R* for forcing PvE players in with PvP folk.

 

That and they allow too many cheats to thrive, and enable griefing in ways other games look to avoid/discourage. Kicking should exist to remove the bad eggs, but R* again ignore all the reports because that too is abused to sh*t. 

 

A real bad area if this game design really. So much contradiction in public. BS points/insurances further undermine 'legitimate gameplay' too.

 

Can come at a cost too. 3 times in the last few weeks now (and a good few times in the last few months to) after jobs I've landed in a session that had a friend in. But he's in a crew and that session is theirs, plus his crewmates don't know me. Kicked each time within minutes.

 

Had to text my buddy and tell him I'm removing him off my list so I don't land in there again as it is tedious. He understood, apologised, and recognises it's a poor solution. (And I've left the texting open in case of hopeful future gaming together).

 

But it f*cking sucks.

Edited August 10, 2018 by KWF1981

[Guest Member2756931]

Get used to it. It's going to happen and those who kick will push the blame on to someone else and attempt to justify that dickish behaviour for no reason is OK. I can't accept it's Rockstar's fault entirely, we all know ways to empty a session, it's common knowledge. If they want an empty session they should make it themselves rather than bully other people and force them out.

 

You have a choice. Leave the session and submit to the bullies or be as big of a dick in return. There are many ways you can be a bigger dick to them but it really comes down to if you can be bothered to stand up to the bullies and waste your time or not.

 

Arrogant, self centered, entitled bullies is all they are. People wouldn't stand for that anywhere else. It's why I try to stay in full sessions with lots of other people, there's less chance of someone thinking they are able to bully everyone out of the session and quite honestly, those occasional jet trolls in a full public session are less of an annoyance.

[Lonely-Martin]

12 minutes ago, YouKnowWhoIAm said:

I can't accept it's Rockstar's fault entirely...

Gotta disagree. 

 

R* spent 3 full years emphasising and advertising crews and team play in this game.

 

And they re-released it on current gen also with zero restrictions on gameplay access from any session.

 

Only to change it with crates and for a very long time, completely change the game many knew and loved.

 

Many quit. But those that stayed found a way to enjoy their GTA. Crews just want to play their game like they always could.

 

As shown with DDH and apparently this latest DLC, allowing a more flexible and less long term compromising gameplay as much as risky PvP thrive makes them even more money and players.

 

I hope the next game shows so much improvement in this regard, for if RDR2:O or GTA next remove peaceful/crew/invite sessions, it'll be an instant 'no buy' for me.

Edited August 10, 2018 by KWF1981

[fw3]

This can be a frustrating experience, for sure, one which most of us have "btch'd" and "moan'd" about, time and time, again.

We feel your angst, which is why Ch4071C created this thread, here. Worth checking out.

 

[Guest Member2756931]

I can't excuse players for using this method when there are various methods on each platform which will achieve the same result without causing other players any kind of issues.

 

Yes Rockstar caused players to want empty/crew sessions where restricted work can be done, I don't disagree there but for those players to think it's fine to boot out a player from a session they [the player being booted] had for themselves or with a few others when the crew could use any number of those other methods is not all on Rockstar. There's a little thing called common courtesy which seems to be non existent with these crew controlled sessions.

 

Forcing a player out of a session that you joined and that they were in first I cannot agree with nor condone.

 

If crews know to kick players then chances are they also know how to check their NAT and re-invite their friends when they join a session with only a few people in it already.

 

Blaming purely on Rockstar is like someone saying Ben & Jerry's made them fat.

Edited August 10, 2018 by Member2756931

[Lonely-Martin]

44 minutes ago, YouKnowWhoIAm said:

I can't excuse players for using this method when there are various methods on each platform which will achieve the same result without causing other players any kind of issues.

How do crews/friends remain together in public otherwise, lol.

 

Various methods to play alone, I agree. But MTU for example, folk will naturally keep splitting off.

 

Don't disagree it's a very poor solution that clearly can compromise others. Likewise though, griefers plague the game, cheats too. So trusting is very hard for some. But it is all R*'s features being used and manipulated, much like EWO or passive. Folk couldn't do it if it didn't exist or was properly maintained like reporting/kicking should be. They've known of these issues for a long time and refuse to address them. That's all R*'s doing. 

 

Public sessions were long known to be PvP battlegrounds and full of exploits, cheats, bitches, and idiots. But they pushed folk out into it no less, lol. PvE and PvP don't mix.

 

I get your point, I really do. This is a large reason why I just won't join a crew or even run businesses with others. Even had 'friends' destroy my sh*t too. This whole aspect of the game became such a clusterf*ck. I don't agree with it too.

 

Players can only do what they can get away with or use what's freely available. Regardless of personal preferences, that's the game. R*'s game. Players just don't want to risk potentially days of stock building because they gave one a bit of courtesy.

 

Being alone out there has it's downsides, lol. Luckily, it doesn't happen often for me and it only takes a minute or 2 to load into another,. And though another above says he and his mate give no chances, many times I've text small groups and told them I'm on call and leaving shortly, all good then.

 

#beggingtoplayGTA #illneverbeg!!!

 

Oh, good times! (Ramblings aimed elsewhere dude, lol).

Edited August 10, 2018 by KWF1981

[Gridl0k]

Level 1021 male main character: See this every session, more or less.

Level 137 female alt: Guess what

[Guest Member2756931]

@KWF1981

I have friends who play only in sp sessions. They create the sp session and the other friends join whoever split the session. This method works very well for them. They often have a session for hours, if not days without another player joining them. The NAT test trick on xbox one works very well. The pulling out of the ethernet cable trick also works just as well (and I believe this method is universal).

 

If a crew or bunch of friends who want a peaceful session join a session with 2 or 3 others in it, they are wrong to attempt to bully those 2 or 3 out.

 

If players join what is clearly a crew controlled session they should leave before being booted. The crew should be courteous but that doesn't happen.

 

However, the logistics of how it's done is irrelevant. The fact is, you cannot blame Rockstar entirely for this. Those who kick others from sessions must take some portion of the blame too. Nobody is forcing their hand to kick when a) it's not always required - a lot of players are friendly. b) there are other ways to make a friendly session.

 

Regardless of if booting is right or wrong, you can only blame it on Rockstar so much, they are not exactly forcing you in to booting players, there are other ways of getting around the restrictions that they have put in place.

 

Feel free to blame Rockstar as much as you like, that's your prerogative. I'll always stick to my guns and say that it's not all on Rockstar and that the player who hit's those buttons should have a portion of the blame too.

[Gridl0k]

Rockstar can be partially blamed because there's legitimate reasons to not believe a player's level (or, ugh, KD).

Edited August 10, 2018 by Gridl0k

[Lonely-Martin]

15 minutes ago, YouKnowWhoIAm said:

Feel free to blame Rockstar as much as you like, that's your prerogative. I'll always stick to my guns and say that it's not all on Rockstar and that the player who hit's those buttons should have a portion of the blame too.

Shall do, thanks.

 

R* chose to add all this content into an already broken and long abused area of the game, lol. It's all them turning the screw in favour of card sales, lol.

 

That's as clear as day. Players will and can only use what's freely available, GTA and exploits/cheat codes is nothing new (how old is that seven sins place now, and even R* allow cheat codes in all their stories), so they must of known they have a cute playerbase from day one and this game shows just how naive R* are (automated bans), or deliberate they were in implementing things (BS points/insurance fees when defending cargo, enabling griefers etc).

 

And this way isn't cheating or manipulating their consoles. It's an option given.

 

R* f*cked up.

Edited August 10, 2018 by KWF1981

[Guest Member2756931]

1 minute ago, KWF1981 said:

And this way isn't cheating or manipulating their consoles. It's an option given.

It's exploiting a feature in a way in which was not intended.

 

I'm not even going to continue that one. It's clear there will be different arguments from different sides.

 

Rockstar are no way clean on this one but the players who do it have muck on their hands too. It's bullying, it shouldn't happen, to do it you're not being a friendly player which, presumably, are the players you want to play with. I get why people do it but a little bit of responsibility should be taken for the actions a player takes, surely?

 

Agree to disagree on this one  It's gonna go round and round like a merry-go-round and get nowhere.

 

sh*t happens. Deal with it however you see fit as everyone else will deal with it their way.

[Lonely-Martin]

11 minutes ago, YouKnowWhoIAm said:

It's exploiting a feature in a way in which was not intended.

I don't disagree with this myself either, but do feel It's an undefined area of the game left to personal interpretation.

 

After all, what is grief? (Many won't risk it after many times having been victim to it all I mean).

 

Totally agree that there's many POV's on this and much in this game though too. One of the reasons I enjoy these forums is to read others and learn.

 

Dog eat dog world, lol. Peace.

Edited August 10, 2018 by KWF1981

[White Shark]

If a group joins your session, quickly message them that you're peaceful etc and will not attack them. Usually helps quell any paranoia. 

[StangOne50]

I get kicked from lobbies all the time. Alot of times I just leave my game idling in the bunker only to come back to a "kicked from lobby message".

I have received massive amounts of kick votes in my time playing gta but have never turned dodgy because of them. I question whether they are related to bad sport points at all.

If youre not a griefer and dont leave lots of jobs for whatever reason then I think you do not have to worry about bad sport.

[justinlynch3]

2 hours ago, YouKnowWhoIAm said:

@KWF1981

I have friends who play only in sp sessions. They create the sp session and the other friends join whoever split the session. This method works very well for them. They often have a session for hours, if not days without another player joining them. The NAT test trick on xbox one works very well. The pulling out of the ethernet cable trick also works just as well (and I believe this method is universal).

 

If a crew or bunch of friends who want a peaceful session join a session with 2 or 3 others in it, they are wrong to attempt to bully those 2 or 3 out.

 

If players join what is clearly a crew controlled session they should leave before being booted. The crew should be courteous but that doesn't happen.

 

However, the logistics of how it's done is irrelevant. The fact is, you cannot blame Rockstar entirely for this. Those who kick others from sessions must take some portion of the blame too. Nobody is forcing their hand to kick when a) it's not always required - a lot of players are friendly. b) there are other ways to make a friendly session.

 

Regardless of if booting is right or wrong, you can only blame it on Rockstar so much, they are not exactly forcing you in to booting players, there are other ways of getting around the restrictions that they have put in place.

 

Feel free to blame Rockstar as much as you like, that's your prerogative. I'll always stick to my guns and say that it's not all on Rockstar and that the player who hit's those buttons should have a portion of the blame too.

Getting to the back of ones console to pull the cable is not always practical through as many of these systems are are in shelves or tight places.     And I've tried MTU lobbies but it only works for playing solo, my friends can join me but they'll quickly get lagged out.

 

Now I agree not every GTA player is a dickhead, and I'm sure innocents do get caught in these situations.   However that said this game is infected with griefers, modders (on PC anyway) and all around in general assholes.     More often then not it's the Wild West out there and players will do what they need to do.

 

I mentioned how me and my friend kick players to control a lobby, but do you think I'm the only one at it?     Often I'm playing with 2-4 people, mostly 2 (myself and my real life buddy), more then once has a crew of 3-5 join my lobby at once (probably a crew exiting some kind of job), outnumbering us, then soon after I find myself kicked.      So it comes back around.

 

Also you have to realize most crews want to keep a controlled lobby in small numbers.     A lobby with 2-4 players is generally much more unlikely to spawn randoms then a lobby with 10-15 players.    So often times if a crew don't know you, in order to keep lobbies as small as possible as well to insure the majority kick remains in their favor, a crew controlled lobby will kick anybody they can't trust (aka anybody they don't know).

 

If there was less assholes on this game that thought it funny to ruin other players day, this problem wouldn't be as big as it is.

 

If Rockstar allowed business stuff to played in crew sessions, this issue wouldn't exist at all.

 

Sadly a toxic community full of assholes and Rockstar forcing PvE and PvP players to play together, and this is the state the game is left in.

[hispls]

5 hours ago, YouKnowWhoIAm said:

they are not exactly forcing you in to booting players

Oh yes they are, by forcing assholes into my gaming experience.  If you're the 10 year old asking if someone can drop you free money (on PS4), the up and coming rap star who feels like sharing your clever new rhyme with the session, the guy yelling at his mom/girlfriend, or similar rude turd you're going to get the boot.  For the trouble of clicking "mute" I can click "boot", and it's not like I'm missing anything from not sharing my game play with those retards.

 

Similarly fake levels, invisible body parts, and screen names like "XXMURDA_KILL_SNIPERXX" or "DEATH_FROM_ABOVE" get a boot no questions asked as do any animal masks or other Halloween costume outfits that appeal to the pre-teen shark card buying base.

 

Let me pick who I play with in the first place and my friends and I won't have to boot the annoying turds that they flush into our sessions.  Better still would be 'no friendly fire sessions where people who just want to have car shows, or mess around and have non-violent fun can relax.  Not all of us are sitting here in a room full of urine bottles yelling for mom to bring more hot pockets.   If I need to get up and go to the bathroom, answer the phone, grab a drink, or take care of some work around the house it's nice to be able to just walk away for ten minutes without having to plan around it.

 

And as far as MTU splitting, just set it down to 700, have a friend join you on your (empty) session, then set it back to 1500 and join on your friend.  Definitely no reason to boot somebody from their own 1 or 2 person session.

That said, if I pop in on 1-3 players doing their own thing I rarely get kicked if I just start doing my own thing. 

[Yellow Dog with Cone]

Oh look, one of those topics...

 

First of all, since Gunrunning I think, the game tries to merge lobbies, this means that while you were alone in a session and suddenly two or more people suddenly joined and tried to kick you, from their perspective you joined their session. Also the game randomly drops players after Heists, Adversary Modes and similar game modes in lobbies, so there's that too.

 

At least in the crew I'm a member off, we don't take over lobbies, we make our own by lagging out (on purpose with MTU and by accident like it always happens). We also ask them politely to leave on their own first, if they don't respond or if they turn hostile they get swiftly kicked.

 

My only suggestion as someone who kicks and gets kicked is to just leave, we don't want you to get Bad Sport points, we don't want to engage you because you'll probably will get outnumbered and even if you manage to flood the lobby, we would just look for another one and carry on.

 

Please understand that even if you don't have any ill intentions, your mere presence in the lobby makes it more likely for more players to join, among them some undesirable ones like griefers and tryhards.

 

Yes, kicking players is a dick move, no doubt about it but its so destroying cargo. Until R* either let us sell in peace on Invite sessions (unlikely) or they disable the kick function (which only would make things worse), this will keep happening.

 

Don't blame the players, blame the game.

[Saul_Goodman123]

Sadly, session Nazi's have been a thing for a while now.

[AmyStone]

What stops me being kicked is by messaging the people in a session when there are 3 or less. I ask them if they're friendly or ask if they need help with anything. They usually say yes. So I either play with them a while or they leave me alone to do what I need to do.

[No Homing]

People joining my solo lobby and trying to kick me equals me starting vip work and jet griefing the sh*tfaces.

It's like they're asking for it.

[Killer Whale]

2 hours ago, AmyStone said:

What stops me being kicked is by messaging the people in a session when there are 3 or less. I ask them if they're friendly or ask if they need help with anything. They usually say yes. So I either play with them a while or they leave me alone to do what I need to do.

Sometimes I have no time to make a message before the kick me. Other times I have left a message telling them I'm no griefer yet they still kick me. And on rarer occasions you get kicked out of your own MTU lobby by someone who just joined. I know and get why they do it, but I still find it annoying when they do it to me, someone with no power to vote against anyone else. I get my 580 level isn't helping my case, but that's what happens when you play the game a lot.

 

I will say there were times I've sold product on a lobby with 2 to 4 people successfully grief-free, and I've thanked them for not interrupting. But there are days where I just get kicked from 3 consecutive lobbies. I mean, is it really their lobbies? Is it Rockstar's?

I will