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jamesos

Children in RDR 2?

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jamesos

Ok so obviously we know from the gameplay trailer that little Jack will be in the game, but I also happened to spot a child at about 0:26 in the trailer. I know that there was also a child in the opening of RDR selling newspapers but it was just a cutscene and children cant be found in the game afterwards. The part where you can see the child in the trailer doesnt look like a cutscene and I think that children might now be NPCs. It would pretty ballsy for Rockstar to do something but it really wouldnt surprise me, and I hope they are actually NPCs, it would be much more immersive. What are your guys's thoughts on it?

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Lemoyne outlaw

i never saw the kid in the trailer. but i do hope kids are in gameplay. its so weird to not see kids in these games. its like an opposite charlie brown.

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infectedG636

Lol I doubt it around free roam

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Shade04rek

It's either that they are not in freeroam, or they pull a skyrim/fallout and make them immortal.

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BretMaverick777

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More kids, following ma and pa. 

 

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Little Jack Marston, the littlest outlaw.  Age 6.

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PUTKA

If there are children NPCs in Free Roam then we 100% will NOT be allowed to harm them at all.
Mark my words. I bet we won't be even able to ride them over.

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Cutter De Blanc

If we can't hurt them we can throw dynamite at them, or at least murder their family in front of them

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chronic lumbago
3 hours ago, PUTKA said:

If there are children NPCs in Free Roam then we 100% will NOT be allowed to harm them at all.
Mark my words. I bet we won't be even able to ride them over.

Yes, that's why I'd rather not have them at all in freeroam. It's unnecessary.

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Cutter De Blanc

Or maybe they can stop being a bunch of pansies and let us kill the kids if we want

this is a video game and at the end of the day these "kids" are nothing more than lines of code

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Fidzy
41 minutes ago, Cutter De Blanc said:

Or maybe they can stop being a bunch of pansies and let us kill the kids if we want

this is a video game and at the end of the day these "kids" are nothing more than lines of code

I think they should make a film aswell where lots of kids get intentionally slaughtered and that's the whole theme of it, it's only a film and they're just actors. It's not real. /s

 

It's how people perceive things. IMO killing children intentionally on games is just psychotic lol. You don't really achieve anything from it.

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AndyGanteks

I'm 99.9% sure they will only appear in your camp when it's stationary only, and not moving to a new location in a convoy, since you can't shoot/pull your gun in the camp radius(Like in GTA O where you can't shoot in your offices/garages/nightclubs etc) and would rather only interact with the kids via some mini game, conversation, or as a side mission giver.

But will be interesting to see how this will be handled by R* once and if the PC version is out and trainers and mods follow.

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Shade04rek

How did rdr handle Jack if the player tried to shoot him?

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Secura
32 minutes ago, Fidzy said:

I think they should make a film aswell where lots of kids get intentionally slaughtered and that's the whole theme of it, it's only a film and they're just actors. It's not real. /s

 

It's how people perceive things. IMO killing children intentionally on games is just psychotic lol. You don't really achieve anything from it.

 

Killing anyone intentionally is psychotic, what's the difference between being able to murder a small town and murdering a child from a psychological point of view? Nothing, you are still a psychopath regardless so that is a ridiculous counter argument. How much do you achieve from killing literally any pedestrian in any GTA game? Almost none in effectively all cases and yet people still do it yet you wouldn't consider them psychotic? 

 

If they are in the game it would be interesting to see what would happen if you did kill a child, even if accidentally when shooting up a town you accidentally killed a child in the crossfire the reputation of Morgan and the gang should drop considerably, to the degree where you may see specialist law enforcement measures taken to hunt you down because not only are you a killer, you're a gang of killers who show no mercy which could end up making the game a lot harder for the player as a consequence for their actions.

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thc_404

And so my mission begins...

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Lock n' Stock

If there will be child NPCs around in free-roam, R* will likely take the Bethesda route in which they can't be harmed, no matter what you do.

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BretMaverick777

While I seriously question the mental state of any player who actively wants to kill kids for fun, I also think Rockstar might be ballsy enough to allow it.  But in keeping with the attention to utmost realism and consequences for every action, I also think the intentional murder of even one child would drop a DEAD OR ALIVE bounty on your head that NEVER goes away.  And your Honor (or whatever they choose to call it this time) would bottom out completely, the ENTIRE gang would likely turn on you, and Dutch would try to kill you himself.   So even attempting anything that psychotic would earn you a very swift death, the same way it would in real-world 1899. 

 

That being said:   I've always suspected that the mysterious Heidi McCourt from the infamous botched ferry robbery was actually a child...maybe even The Mysterious Stranger's daughter.  Just a hunch, but I have a suspicion that we WILL see Dutch Van Der Linde murder a little girl in cold blood, and that's the ultimate nail in the coffin for Dutch's gang as far as the rest of the crew is concerned.  

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gonnaenodaethat

These are not the midgets I speak of

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Cutter De Blanc
8 hours ago, Fidzy said:

I think they should make a film aswell where lots of kids get intentionally slaughtered and that's the whole theme of it, it's only a film and they're just actors. It's not real. /s

 

It's how people perceive things. IMO killing children intentionally on games is just psychotic lol. You don't really achieve anything from it.

No one said anything about making it the whole theme

Kids do get killed in movies.

No, it's not real then either.

8 hours ago, Shade04rek said:

How did rdr handle Jack if the player tried to shoot him?

Instant game over. You couldn't aim at them, but if you blew him, abigail, or uncle up with Dynamite you instantly get a game over. Unless you use Invincibility and then the world spazzes out like an earthquake for a few seconds

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CrimsonFolo

im hoping they are cutscene exclusive or something like that. I ain't a person that will go around and start killing them but if im in a gunfight in a town and start throwing dynamite or molotovs and one of them happens to tag a kid, i don't want to be punished severely (like a game overscreen or something like that)

 

Or just add them and make them killable just like every other NPC but maybe with a bigger bounty cost penalty

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Rusty James

You gotta love the cognitive dissonance of some people. So you are ok with a game that allows you to butcher men and women in sadistic ways but killing children is where you draw the line?

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Rusty James
3 hours ago, Am Shaegar said:

Because there's never a reason strong enough to kill kids. Even the hardcore criminals may not want to ever encounter such a moment where they have to harm kids as much as the gamers are desperate to harm them. I don't know why people want to experience such a possibility. Why can't we think about having positive interactions with kids in game? 

Lol this is a game. Is there a strong reason to threat someone with a gun, rob and then shooting them? Because you can do that in this game.
Anyways I don't really care if there are children or not in RDR2, I just find funny the biased moral values that some people want impose in games/entertainment.

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rtie
3 minutes ago, Rusty James said:

Lol this is a game. Is there a strong reason to threat someone with a gun, rob and then shooting them? 

Yeah? that's the character we're playing.

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Rusty James
6 minutes ago, ARTHUR. said:

Yeah? that's the character we're playing.

So? Why is the depiction on the game of a guy that kills people for money acceptable but killing children isn't? Aren't both actions of a psychopath?

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Nutduster
7 hours ago, Rusty James said:

You gotta love the cognitive dissonance of some people. So you are ok with a game that allows you to butcher men and women in sadistic ways but killing children is where you draw the line?

 

Lots of people are only cool with the outlandish violence of GTA because it's NOT particularly sadistic.  The people you kill are usually offed in a cartoonish way - they go flying out of a giant fireball or get knocked off the front of your car like bowling pins while yelling in a silly, over-the-top way.  Personally I am comfortable with violence and gore, but not with sadism, and killing kids in a game is exactly on the wrong side of the line, thank you. 

 

Anyway, fortunately for both of us, you won't be killing kids in RDR2 or any other AAA game anytime soon.  No developer or publisher wants their game popping up in the news in conjunction with a school shooting.  And it adds nothing to the game to allow it - it's not like the Western movies they are doing homages to were packed with little kids being gunned down or trampled to death.

 

11 minutes ago, Rusty James said:

So? Why is the depiction on the game of a guy that kills people for money acceptable but killing children isn't? Aren't both actions of a psychopath?

 

Criminals aren't all psychopaths/sociopaths.  In fact most are not.  I assume this game will give you flexibility to play Morgan the way you want to, but a typical Western outlaw would be a guy who kills for money or to protect himself, not because he enjoys it or just wants to see the light go out in someone's eyes.

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rtie
10 minutes ago, Rusty James said:

So? Why is the depiction on the game of a guy that kills people for money acceptable but killing children isn't? Aren't both actions of a psychopath?

Sure, but we're playing as an outlaw gang in the Wild West not the John Wayne Gacy Neighbourhood Barbeque Simulator. Contrary to your belief, massacring children wasn't on the top of most people's mind back then.

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Rusty James
13 minutes ago, Nutduster said:

 

Lots of people are only cool with the outlandish violence of GTA because it's NOT particularly sadistic.  The people you kill are usually offed in a cartoonish way - they go flying out of a giant fireball or get knocked off the front of your car like bowling pins while yelling in a silly, over-the-top way.  Personally I am comfortable with violence and gore, but not with sadism, and killing kids in a game is exactly on the wrong side of the line, thank you. 

 

In GTAV you can kill in many ways that are not cartoonish at all.

That's you arbitrary decision to believe that killing an adult npc is morally superior than killing a child npc.

4 minutes ago, ARTHUR. said:

Sure, but we're playing as an outlaw gang in the Wild West not the John Wayne Gacy Neighbourhood Barbeque Simulator. Contrary to your belief, massacring children wasn't on the top of most people's mind back then.

I don't even go on murdering sprees on open world games, I just wanted to point out the biased and flawed arguments that some people have wrote in this thread.

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Nutduster
11 minutes ago, Rusty James said:

In GTAV you can kill in many ways that are not cartoonish at all.

That's you arbitrary decision to believe that killing an adult npc is morally superior than killing a child npc.

 

It's not arbitrary, but it is subjective - maybe that is what you meant.  Regardless, you've already lost this battle because I guarantee you they're not going to allow it.

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Rusty James
21 minutes ago, Nutduster said:

 

Criminals aren't all psychopaths/sociopaths.  In fact most are not.  I assume this game will give you flexibility to play Morgan the way you want to, but a typical Western outlaw would be a guy who kills for money or to protect himself, not because he enjoys it or just wants to see the light go out in someone's eyes.

That's a psychopath

 

3 minutes ago, Nutduster said:

 

It's not arbitrary, but it is subjective - maybe that is what you meant.  Regardless, you've already lost this battle because I guarantee you they're not going to allow it.

What battle? I already wrote a few posts above that I don't care at all.

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Carbonox
28 minutes ago, Rusty James said:

So? Why is the depiction on the game of a guy that kills people for money acceptable but killing children isn't? Aren't both actions of a psychopath?

Robbing people is beneficial for the protagonist, and the Robin Hood-esque way of going about it is the very foundation of his gang. What point would there ever be for child murdering?

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