GTA V at 2k on an RX 460

[Charliedelsol]

Hello, I’m new here so don’t make fun ahah but i’ve recently entered the world of pc gaming, and built myself a pretty good setup, entry level you might consider. So I’ve been playing GTA V at 1080p with almost all graphics set to max with the exception of yours truly MSAA, Grass (very high) and softest shadows instead of AMD’s or Nvidia’s. I get around 40 to 50 fps with this settings. But recently I’ve discovered that playing at 2k with some settings turned down looks a lot better in my 4k LED than at 1080p with more graphics turned up, the difference is I only get 30 to 40 fps. I’m fine with that. The problem is that my gpu is always at 100% and my cpu only stays at around 50%. Is my gpu bottlenecking my cpu??? Thanks! 

My pc specs are- 

i5 4590 

16gb RAM

Asus H81M-P 1150

Msi RX 460 4gb OC

1tb HDD

[Guest]

2K? I guess you're talking about 1440p, right? Because in theory the 2K resolution equals to 2048x1080. Anyway I don't think your system is capable to run properly GTA V at 1440p, your RX 460 is even less powerful than a GTX 960, honestly I'm quite surprised that you're achieving more than 30 FPS with such a high resolution.

Normally, when it comes to bottleneck, I see a lot of people worring about their CPU. Let's make an example... Do you rather have a Ferrari (GPU) with the engine of a compact car (CPU) or dou you want to have a compact car (CPU) with the engine of a Ferrari (GPU)?

Surely if you choose the 1st option you won't have an ugly car, but if you choose the 2nd one you'll be able to go very very fast.

 

Not let's get back on topic... For me your system is balanced, your CPU is a bit old but is still very capable, while your GPU let you play most of the games on 1080p with a good quality. The problem is that you're playing at an higher resolution, so for having better performances you'll have to change your GPU... But if you have to change the GPU your CPU could become a problem.

 

A little tip: if you want to change the GPU wait a little bit! NVidia is going to show the new GTXs soon, maybe in a few weeks or months you'll be able to find a better deal. In this moment prices of GPUs are still a bit too high (thank you miners ).

[Charliedelsol]

D@Wolver_321 yes 1440p. Yes I do get a stable 30fps as I leave Vsync on to avoid screen tearing, but I do get the occasional frame drops to 24 fps or so. If I turn off the power limiter of my gpu with msi afterburner, without overclocking it (what’s left of it to overclock anyway), I do get even more fps, between 32 to 37 on the exterior and 40 fps on interiors (safehouses, shops etc), but it never goes down 30 fps. 

I do think GPUs are overpriced nowadays (damn miners), and if I upgrade my gpu I’ll probably upgrade my cpu to get a balanced system.  

I have a few things on my wish list like an i7 4790k, a 1060 6gb and also install an SSD. 

My GTA V Settings are: (if I recall correctly)

 

Resolution- full screen 1440p 60hz 16:9

MSAA - off ( I use AMD’s MSAA 8xEQ )

FXAA- On

VSync- On

Population and distance sliders all the way up

Texture - Very High

Shader - High

Shadow - High

Reflection - Ultra

Reflection MSAA- 8x

Water- Very High

Post FX - High

Motion Blur- max

Depth of field - off 

Particles- High

A.Filtering- 16x

A. Occlusion - Very High

Tesselation- High

Grass - High 

S.Shadows- softest

 

Advanced Settings - OFF

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest]

An i7 4790K could help, but it won't be a huge improvement, your i5 is one of the best CPUs in the whole Hashwell series. But, when it comes to money, I see why you have an i7 4790K on your whishlist: same socket, same motherboard and same RAM.

I was more or less in your situation some months ago because I had an i5 4440 combined with a GTX 970: in some games I was experiencing a very little bottleneck (on the GPU ofc), but I didn't see any reason to change half of my PC... But why did I replace half of my PC? One day I found on the Italian Amazon a new i5 8600K at only 165€ and, knowing that my brother wanted to build a decent PC, I purchased it. Now my brother has my old i5 4440 + my old Motherboard + my old 16 GB of RAM, if it wasn't for him I wouldn't had probably upgraded my PC.

A GTX 1060 6GB would be a huge improvement, but again prices are a problem these days. SSD is only useful for loading applications and the OS quicker, games wouldn't have more FPS. Personally I'd buy for 30-40€ a SSD of 128/256GB only for OS and applications, all my games are stored in a normal HDD of 1 TB.

 

But if you want or have the possibility to upgrade CPU+MoBo+RAM, remember that Ryzen2 CPUs could be a good investment (especially the 2600/2600X). If you need any help, remember that forums like Tom's Hardware UK could help you.

 

Regarding your in-game options, you could try to lower the "S.Shadows" to "sharp" for example, also the 8x Reflection MSAA is a bit useless considering you have Ultra Reflections. Is your monitor's refresh rate 60Hz? If your aim is achieving a stable 30 FPS, put the V-sync option on "Half". 

[Charliedelsol]

Yes my choice of an i7 4790k is related to money, since it’s the best processor for my current motherboard I can buy. Here in Portugal I can get an used i7 4790k for around 240, 250€ some still with warranty. The 1060 is also the best gpu for my socket I can buy, and I can get one used in good condition for around 300€ but I wanted an OC version. 

 

An i5 8600k for 165€?? And it was in good conditions? Did you upgrade your gpu as well or just the motherboard?

 

I thought SSD’s would load the games faster at least that’s what I’ve heard. So you load your games from an external HDD? 

 

I didn’t really want to switch from Intel to another brand, although I’ve thought about it. 

 

Sharp shadows won’t look terrible compared to soft shadows? My TV’s refresh rate is 60hz. I’ve tried vsync half once, but it didn’t look that different to me, I’ll try it again with this resolution and maybe switch to 2048x1080p, see if it helps.

[Charliedelsol]

@Wolver_321 Also do you think changing my desktop resolution from 4k to 1080p would help with framerate?

[Charliedelsol]

I’ve changed my resolution to 2048x1536 and it boosted my fps all the way up to 40fps at an almost constant rate, but it if I turn vsync to half it cuts my fps all the way to 30 as you said and it’s just not that enjoyable to play. If I switch Vsync off, not only a get screen tear but my fps also drop to like 32 35...sweet spot is with vsync on

Also I forgot to tell you, I’m using redux changed shadows to sharp and turned off reflection msaa, now it’s at 45fps. Which means with vanilla graphics I would probably get around 50 fps. Not bad for an Rx 460

[Guest]

Wow, you're pushing to the limit your RX 460! If you're achieving 45 FPS with the Redux mod, I think you'd be able to play the vanilla version more or less at 60 FPS.

Changing your desktop resolution won't improve performances, but if you turn down to 1080p in your in-game setting you'll notice a good improvement (but your graphics will go down ofc).

For me your PC will be able to let you play decently (at 1080p) most of the games until 2020/2021 when the new consoles will be out... Normally when new consoles are out there is a global improvement in games (graphics, physic, AI etc.) so, when PS5 and the next Xbox will be out, PCs will require more power. If you start to keep some money, in 2 years I think you'll be able to build an amazing PC.

 

Anyway I'm re-valuing the RX 460 thank to you! 

[Charliedelsol]

This is all with the power limiter off, if I leave it on it’s a differente story, but still for an RX460, from what I’ve been searching, AMD is always one step behind when it comes to fps so I’m pretty happy. They go for 100€ or less used now so it’s good value for money. Yes, 2 years is a long time. Thanks

[HaRdSTyLe_83]

On 8/6/2018 at 3:59 PM, Charliedelsol said:

The problem is that my gpu is always at 100% and my cpu only stays at around 50%. Is my gpu bottlenecking my cpu?

 its not a problem if its the GPU at 100%

 

 

16 hours ago, Charliedelsol said:

The 1060 is also the best gpu for my socket I can buy

if you can fit a 1060 then you can fit a 1080TI, the socket is the same, if you are talking about power from the power supply then that can be a issue

 

 

16 hours ago, Charliedelsol said:

but I wanted an OC version.

you can OC the GPU in less then a minute higher then any factory overclock , its not hard and you cant mess it up

 

 

 

7 hours ago, Wolver_321 said:

when the new consoles will be out... Normally when new consoles are out there is a global improvement in games (graphics, physic, AI etc.) so, when PS5 and the next Xbox will be out, PCs will require more power

 

Lmao, graphics are always being improved, consoles are just not taking advantage of it. Consoles usually come with outdated hardware for the time they get released, i wouldn't be surprised if by the time they get here they can be compared to a GTX1080TI performance wise, while Pc's will already be on the GTX1280TI by then lol. Also GPU's are getting less demanding with power with each new architecture

Edited August 7, 2018 by HaRdSTyLe_83

[Charliedelsol]

I know I can overclock it but I’d rather pay a bit more and have an OC gpu with warranty.

GTX 1080 would require for me to change some things in my pc...and the 1060 is just plug and play.

[Guest]

3 hours ago, HaRdSTyLe_83 said:

Lmao, graphics are always being improved, consoles are just not taking advantage of it. Consoles usually come with outdated hardware for the time they get released, i wouldn't be surprised if by the time they get here they can be compared to a GTX1080TI performance wise, while Pc's will already be on the GTX1280TI by then lol. Also GPU's are getting less demanding with power with each new architecture

Yeah I know that consoles are basically mid range PCs when they're out, but let me explain better what I wanted to say.

Nowadays 90% of the console games that are also on PC are Console-to-PC ports, so when PS5 and the next Xbox will be out, we'll be also see a big improvement in PC games too. Sadly PCs will always depend by consoles, developers know very well on which platforms they could make more money: they first optimize their games on PS4/Xbox One and then they do a PC port (if they want). So if we have a better "base" (consoles), also PC will have better games, and that's why I'm really hoping that GTA VI won't be out on PS4 and Xbox One. 

But, as we saw with a few exclusive games on PS4 (such as Uncharted 4 and Horizon Zero Dawn) developers could cut the gap between consoles and PC with a good optimization, program a game on a platfom that has a specific hardware (consoles are all the same) is way easier than have to deal with multiple PCs configurations.

[Geisterfaust]

On 8/6/2018 at 10:49 PM, Charliedelsol said:

I have a few things on my wish list like an i7 4790k, a 1060 6gb and also install an SSD. 

 

Start from the GPU and make it 1070, best balance for the money: non TI 1080 is a bit overpriced IMO and Ti is quite hardcore. Browse youtube for the same config benchmarks, there's always something similar. If you're going to play at 1440p, that's the best investment you will make. 4790k? Well, hold your horses. If like to play games, GPU is the more important and upgrade from 4590 to 4790k won't be dramatical unless you're looking for more than 100 fps on V-Sync displays. And if you will, look at 8th generation later this year or in 2019. I own 4790k and running it at 4.5 on Noctua NH-D15. Guess what? Unless it's 4k I can not only get the OC off, but swap it for 4690k that I used to have on another similar machine at the stock clock (3.5 with boost enabled). Your current CPU will be absolutely okay with 1070. Pro-tip: if you can get a 980 Ti (mind the PSU) from the store, the price could be sweet. 

 

TL;DR: get a 1070 with your CPU money. 

[Charliedelsol]

@hei3enberg I’ll probably just buy an i5 8600k since the prices are even between an i7 4790k and it gets better fps on Gta v. Since I’m gonna need to change my psu and my mthb in order to change the cpu, I’ll be left with less money to upgrade my gpu. So the 1060 is more than enough for my preferences. I use vsync because I play on a 4k 60hz 40” tv, so I can’t stand screen tearing. Which means any gpu that can give me a locked 40fps on very high settings at 1440p, or a locked 60fps at very high settings at 1080p, is fine by me.

[Geisterfaust]

1 hour ago, Charliedelsol said:

I’ll probably just buy an i5 8600k since the prices are even between an i7 4790k and it gets better fps on Gta v.

CPU won't matter under 100 fps. If you have a nice TV it's better to go 1070 for 4k you will see the difference immediately, trust me. 

[Charliedelsol]

@hei3enberg can a 1070 alone run at 4k? That’s not what I heard...

[Geisterfaust]

 

 @Charliedelsol

It can handle 4k with tweaks.  6700k is basically a 4790k. The bottom line is, unless you're aiming at 100+ fps territory, you will be mostly GPU bound in this game. 4590-4690k-4790k-8700k won't do much for you in the range of 40-60 fps. To be honest, they won't do nothing. If you will upgrade your GPU you will see the results immediately, but if you'll go with 8700k and 1060 you won't. Unless you want 1080-60 at your 60 inch. 

Edited August 14, 2018 by hei3enberg

[Charliedelsol]

F...it plays just like mine at 1080p and with better settings