Ozark - Neflix Series [S4 final season]

[Failed Again]

Never call a Hillbilly, a Redneck

Just saying

[Mister Pink]

This trailer looks so good! Lads, it's January, just 2 and half weeks more!

 

 

[Zello]

Season 4 has been out for a week and I haven’t started it yet. I will tonight.

[sifu]

I really like this show a lot, many great characters, suspense, well-paced. Seeing the final season split into 2 parts is both good and frustrating, surely would have binge-watched all of it. Now there's that last chapter left to look forward to, no official word when it's going to drop though.

[Mister Pink]

I've watched the first 4 episodes and in true Ozark fashion, they've kept the same pace and a suspense. Right now, it's really hard to tell what's going to happen. The main driver for the Byrde's motivations and work is interesting along with the new antagonist.  

 

Although the Byrdes are despicable people, I really want them to win but I can't see a happy ending to this. 

[Zello]

Trailer with some spoilers you've been warned

Spoiler

 

Who's ready?

Edited April 29 by Zello

[flow_42]

my body is certainly ready. gf is eager to watch aswell. 7 episodes, round about 1 hour each - so it's 7 hours of greatness. gonna have to pace ourselves. we don't like to watch trailers (they're ALL made by the DEVIL trying to to ruin the fun!) so we'll dive back in spoiler-free.

[Donald Lov]

How good would you say Ozark is in comparison to all the crime TV classics(The Wire, The Sopranos, Boardwalk Empire, BrBad/Saul, Narcos/Narcos Mexico, Fargo season 1). I remember seeing a few episodes back when the show just came out and thinking it was rushing like there's no tommorow. The characters were given no room to breathe and rushed straight away to life-threatening situations. Does it get better and are there any drops in quality within the show's progression?

Edited April 30 by Notorious_Jack

[Zello]

So that's it huh

[GTA3Rockstar]

3 hours ago, Zello said:

So that's it huh

 

 

I needed more lol

[flow_42]

final episode left. the storm is coming (hopefully)

edit: I just couldn't help but think of this when I saw marty overreacting in traffic

 

Edited May 3 by flow_42

[Zello]

7 hours ago, GTA3Rockstar said:

 

 

I needed more lol

Felt rushed

[GTA3Rockstar]

18 hours ago, Zello said:

Felt rushed

 

Definitely

 

I think since Netflix essentially announced they were cancelling it after Season 4 in June 2020, it led to this kind of ending.

 

Or maybe it's just hard to write an end to a series lol Multiple shows had crappy endings after other great seasons.

[GTA3Rockstar]

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/uh58kf/oc_ozark_rating_by_episode_and_season_looks_like/

 

Edited May 4 by GTA3Rockstar

[Mister Pink]

On 4/30/2022 at 5:10 PM, Notorious_Jack said:

How good would you say Ozark is in comparison to all the crime TV classics(The Wire, The Sopranos, Boardwalk Empire, BrBad/Saul, Narcos/Narcos Mexico, Fargo season 1). I remember seeing a few episodes back when the show just came out and thinking it was rushing like there's no tommorow. The characters were given no room to breathe and rushed straight away to life-threatening situations. Does it get better and are there any drops in quality within the show's progression?

Most of those shows are my absolute favourite; The Wire, The Sopranos, Boardwalk Empire, Narcos, Fargo (seasons 1-3). Out curiosity, did you see Fargo 2 or is it that you didn't like it. Took me a couple of restarts but once it unfolded, it was superb and second half had moments of the best TV I've ever watched. 

 

I would say Ozark isn't a character-study show like Fargo or The Sopranos. It's very much about making political moves and power-dynamics much like Narcos: Mexico. As The Byrdes web gets bigger their characters don't really evolve that much. It's their ascension from relatively low-level laundering to political power at the highest levels that's more the arc. They stay relatively the same.  And that's fascinating enough to make the show compelling, IMO. 

No spoilers here.. just another recommendation for a show. 

Spoiler

Seeing as we like almost the exact same shows, I'll recommend Suburra on Netflix. It's Italian. While not almost perfect like the The Wire, it's engaging like Ozark and Breaking Bad in a "what's going to happen next" type of energy. However, there is one political character in the show with an excellent character arc that goes from being a leftist idealogue to someone more sinister. It's very much a political thriller with low-level street thugs, some crime gangs including gypsies and The Vatican and of course the Mafia all vying for a piece of real-estate outside Rome that the Mafia want to buy to flood Rome with cocaine. The Mafia never operated in Rome and if they had this piece of costal land, they'd own the port and if they own the port they control the drugs into Rome. While the main characters are certainly fictional, the setting and overall story is actually based on true events. 

 

Trailer isn't great anyway, think it's completely underrated like Ozark is a bit underrated too. 

 

 

Only 7 critics ratings but it's got 100% positive score on RT from critics and 95% (132) ratings from users

Suburra: Blood on Rome - Rotten Tomatoes

 

7.9 on Metacritic but only 31 user ratings. It's just criminally slept on. Anyone that does venture to see it usually likes it. 

Suburra: Blood on Rome - Season 1 Reviews - Metacritic

 

 

Edited May 5 by Mister Pink

[Donald Lov]

On 5/5/2022 at 7:58 PM, Mister Pink said:

Most of those shows are my absolute favourite; The Wire, The Sopranos, Boardwalk Empire, Narcos, Fargo (seasons 1-3). Out curiosity, did you see Fargo 2 or is it that you didn't like it. Took me a couple of restarts but once it unfolded, it was superb and second half had moments of the best TV I've ever watched. 

 

I would say Ozark isn't a character-study show like Fargo or The Sopranos. It's very much about making political moves and power-dynamics much like Narcos: Mexico. As The Byrdes web gets bigger their characters don't really evolve that much. It's their ascension from relatively low-level laundering to political power at the highest levels that's more the arc. They stay relatively the same.  And that's fascinating enough to make the show compelling, IMO. 

No spoilers here.. just another recommendation for a show. 

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Seeing as we like almost the exact same shows, I'll recommend Suburra on Netflix. It's Italian. While not almost perfect like the The Wire, it's engaging like Ozark and Breaking Bad in a "what's going to happen next" type of energy. However, there is one political character in the show with an excellent character arc that goes from being a leftist idealogue to someone more sinister. It's very much a political thriller with low-level street thugs, some crime gangs including gypsies and The Vatican and of course the Mafia all vying for a piece of real-estate outside Rome that the Mafia want to buy to flood Rome with cocaine. The Mafia never operated in Rome and if they had this piece of costal land, they'd own the port and if they own the port they control the drugs into Rome. While the main characters are certainly fictional, the setting and overall story is actually based on true events. 

 

Trailer isn't great anyway, think it's completely underrated like Ozark is a bit underrated too. 

 

 

Only 7 critics ratings but it's got 100% positive score on RT from critics and 95% (132) ratings from users

Suburra: Blood on Rome - Rotten Tomatoes

 

7.9 on Metacritic but only 31 user ratings. It's just criminally slept on. Anyone that does venture to see it usually likes it. 

Suburra: Blood on Rome - Season 1 Reviews - Metacritic

 

 

Appreciate the response.

 

As for Fargo season 2, I think it's top-tier entertainment but hardly anything more than that. The story, while engaging, ended up being pretty disposable as I have a hard time remembering a single arc. All I can remember is that I had a fun time watching it along with a vague imagery of some of the scenes. Even with the array of characters as wide as season 2(perhaps twice as much as season 1), I think I've only managed to remember the Indian guy, the villain guy and Jesse Plemons(because he always sticks out no matter what he plays). 

If I had to sum up my issues with the season, I'd say, perhaps, it was trying to bite off more than it could chew.

Edited May 6 by Notorious_Jack

[Failed Again]

Cats in the cradle,

 

My Boy was just like me, my boy was just like me.....

 

 

 

not a spoiler But that's what i was singing at the end

[Mister Pink]

On 5/6/2022 at 6:33 PM, Notorious_Jack said:

Appreciate the response.

 

As for Fargo season 2, I think it's top-tier entertainment but hardly anything more than that. The story, while engaging, ended up being pretty disposable as I have a hard time remembering a single arc. All I can remember is that I had a fun time watching it along with a vague imagery of some of the scenes. Even with the array of characters as wide as season 2(perhaps twice as much as season 1), I think I've only managed to remember the Indian guy, the villain guy and Jesse Plemons(because he always sticks out no matter what he plays). 

If I had to sum up my issues with the season, I'd say, perhaps, it was trying to bite off more than it could chew.

Cheers, you too. 

 

Yeah, we'll disagree a bit there. Not remember Ted Danson, Kirsten Dunst?  Again, I season 2 was a real slow grower on me but fantastic TV. The whole Butcher shop debacle and the Wafflehouse murder, Jesse Plemons and Kirsten Dunst's relationship and on-screen chemistry (turns out they're married in real life). I definitely think it was some of the best TV and not very "Fargo-y." I think it stays really close to core of Fargo but still very fresh. I think for someone (not saying you but I include myself) is the change of characters and story is a bit hard after the first season. Same for people watching The Wire and the criticism season 2 got, despite it being the same show with the same top writing etc. I started rewatching Season 1 and it feels a little more pedestrian and a bit simple compared to following seasons. 

 

 

Anyway, always nice to discuss with other fans. I don't really know anyone IRL aside from my gf that watches it. 

 

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Back on topic....

 

Finished Ozark last night. I really enjoyed it. I actually liked the ending. I seen people complain and some with genuine grievances but others I think they just want some big happy ending. Well, actually aside from one major detail, IMO, it kind of was a happy ending for me. Despite how despicable The Byrdes are, I wanted them to win. OK, so Marty was laundering money back in Chicago but if it wasn't for his greedy partner I think Marty would have continued laundering money in a very low-key way and would have been happy being under the radar and going about his business. Marty always errs on the side of caution throughout the show. He's very calculated and analytical, as you'd expect an finance guy to be. It doesn't appear to me that Marty was going into it for money and power (although, obviously money to an extent). But when his partner f*cks up in season 1 and he negotiates his life for laundering more money that's sets off the chain of events that occur. The fight or flight response. 

 

I don't know what it is about good anti-heros but I was rooting for them. And the female characters in this show were brilliant, particularly Wendy, Darlene and of course Ruth. We have finally some really well-written and believable female actors. They aren't just two-dimensional or just there to support the men. These are very powerful women in the most terrifying way. 

 

 

Great show, I had a blast watching it from the start when it first released. 

 

Jason Bateman directed a lot of episodes and I didn't realise how much of a film head he really is. Watching him on the Actors Roundtable is brilliant. You can see he's a proper filmmaker. I think Robin Wright directed 2 episodes in season 4 and also Laura Linney (Wendy) made her directorial debut too in season 4. I think it was mostly all female directors. I don't care for woke crap but I do care for filmmaking and I constantly hear that there isn't enough female directors, well, I hope Ozark can prove that female directors are just as good and better in some cases. 

 

I recommend anyone that's changed their mind on Bateman or anyone that once thought he was just a rom-com guy and has changed or is changing their mind on Bateman to watch this and get a look into how he thinks. Fascinating guy. 

 

 

[Vanto]

I don't know how to feel about the ending. I don't particularly hate it, when I watched it I mostly felt confused.

 

Spoiler

I knew not to expect a happy ending, I thought one of the Byrdes would die instead as a consequence of how Wendy wanted to both grow politically and hold onto her kids. I didn't know how but that's what I thought would happen. I really wanted Ruth to get some sort of justice after everything she went through, but her death reinforced what the Byrdes always meant to everyone around them.

 

The part that I didn't like is how fast Jonah turns back to being part of his family again, and Mel's appearance was unexpected in a "why is he back?" way.

Overall though, I thoroughly enjoyed the show. I loved Marty and Wendy's dynamic and how they cooperated (or not) to just survive and gain influence politically and with Navarro. Reminded me a lot of Walt's schemes in Breaking Bad but on a grander scale. I liked the slow but not subtle growth you can feel of Wendy's growing ambitions once she gets on board. Great series.