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Mexicola9302

[GTAO] Engine Limit Flag Petition (Remove it or add it to all cars)

Engine Resistance & Advanced Flag Poll  

173 members have voted

  1. 1. How should they be altered/changed?

    • A. The Engine Resistence and Advanced Flags should be removed from all cars, and they should not be added to any old or new cars. (Back to the roots, make all cars like before SSASSS).
    • B. The Engine Resistence and Advanced Flags should be added to all cars, just the way they are. (Ruin all cars, limit their RPM, make them jumpy offroad, etc)
    • C. The Engine Resistence and Advanced Flags should be added to all cars, but improved and more balanced so it makes more sense. Vehicles should not slow down on uneven roads, etc.


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Tennyzulander
1 hour ago, Mexicola9302 said:

Ugh the name of this guy, KingYoloSwag really?

 

:D 

He has a different account now. 

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Mexicola9302

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Debesta

My 2 cents: I would go a step further and vote to remove Downforce as well. This is another piece of useless physics garbage, arbitrarily added to random vehicles. Rockstar spent the last 3ish years, screwing around with the programming of Downforce just to get it to "their" satisfaction. It's randomly applied to cars for no rhyme or reason and Advanced Flags is simply Downforce 2.0. I hated driving downforce cars but, I got used to it. However, I don't want to adapt to driving these. There's not even any rhyme or reason to application. Nobody can explain why the Benefactor doesn't even have them. Whoever was responsible for attempting to do both downforce and advanced flags physics alterations in a random update and spend 3ish years screwing with it, should be fired. I should not have to access internal coding to know if some random dev decided this million dollar vehicle should suck. This is a decades old physics engine, no other company would even think of doing this. I just want them removed and the physics engine left alone.

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YELLOW DOG WITH CONE
2 hours ago, Debesta said:

My 2 cents: I would go a step further and vote to remove Downforce as well. This is another piece of useless physics garbage, arbitrarily added to random vehicles. Rockstar spent the last 3ish years, screwing around with the programming of Downforce just to get it to "their" satisfaction. It's randomly applied to cars for no rhyme or reason and Advanced Flags is simply Downforce 2.0. I hated driving downforce cars but, I got used to it. However, I don't want to adapt to driving these. There's not even any rhyme or reason to application. Nobody can explain why the Benefactor doesn't even have them. Whoever was responsible for attempting to do both downforce and advanced flags physics alterations in a random update and spend 3ish years screwing with it, should be fired. I should not have to access internal coding to know if some random dev decided this million dollar vehicle should suck. This is a decades old physics engine, no other company would even think of doing this. I just want them removed and the physics engine left alone.

Fully agree, it's all or nothing.

 

Also, I would suggest to also remove the "tyres can clip" flag and the extra traction for equipping an spoiler too, not all cars can equip an spoiler, putting them at a disadvantage against cars that do.

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Mrnrfan182

Im a car guy not a PVP, rolly polly, EWO, try hard.  That means that when all the new cars were given these flags the game effectively ended for me.  I tried one or two of them and instantly banned them from my collection.  I waited patiently hoping Rockstar would realize the mistake and rectify it so that there was an incentive to buy these new toys, but that never happened. 

 

So here I am, I have hundreds of millions of GTA$ and yet no reason to play.  All the cars are broken and one of the core aspects of the game (literally the AUTO part of GTA) is worse now than in any iteration of the franchise, including the SP for V. How do you f*ck up something so bad?  

 

Sorry, I got off track.  Flags need to go or more players like me will give up and move on.  Good news though...you can dress like a space ranger now and buy sci-fi themed skins for a couple of your guns...never thought I’d see the day that GTA became a poor knock off of Saints Row...

 

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Tennyzulander
10 hours ago, Voodoo-Hendrix said:

Fully agree, it's all or nothing.

 

Also, I would suggest to also remove the "tyres can clip" flag and the extra traction for equipping an spoiler too, not all cars can equip an spoiler, putting them at a disadvantage against cars that do.

Well, keep the spoilers for adding traction because it's just silly to remove them. Spoilers should definitely add traction. You can't expect every car to have a spoiler option when being released. The downforce and tires can clip thing is dumb and should be removed. Some cars are just not on pace even they might a good top speed is because they either have a horrible turning circle, have horrible traction, and weak acceleration out of corners. It's from a racers perspective who is a avid racer from the racing community. 

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Scottiedog123

Nah cars are not powerful or fast enough as it is.   Remove.

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Tennyzulander
26 minutes ago, Scottiedog123 said:

Nah cars are not powerful or fast enough as it is.   Remove.

What do you mean? Remove what?

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Kiwi_91
On 7/30/2018 at 4:12 PM, Jenkiiii said:

Hi Mexicola,

I can't sign the petition as it stands, and this is why:

 

The new handling flags have been introduced in order to remove crazy curb boosting from GTA online. Most people now realise that weaving all over a track and going up sidewalks is NOT a realistic part of any driving game, but a peculiarity of GTA online, and people who play GT Sport and Forza games, for example, laugh at GTA as a silly meme type of racing game. Rockstar wants people to take their game seriously, and that's why the new handling flags have come into force.

 

The problem we now have is that all of the older vehicles since 2013 race one way, but new vehicles from this year race another, so there is a wide difference in performance and driving style between 'old' and 'new' vehicles.

 

The idea behind the new handling flags is a good one, but NOT the way they have been implemented into the game on an ad-hoc basis, so Rockstar needs to change the handling flags of ALL vehicles or on NO vehicles, instead of having a mix of handling types within the same game.

 

It's definitely something Rockstar need to resolve on a global in-game basis, and the lack of new vehicles in the new Nightclubs DLC is surely not a coincidence.

 

EDIT
Just signed the reworded version. It's great!

 

 

okay, but sticky bombs, constant ramming, CATCHUP, op slipstream, loops, fire hoops, 400ft drops, wheelie boosting, brake boosting, boost strips, rockets, jumps and many many more. are all realistic parts of a driving game? no, i've not even read the rest of your comment because that first sentence is ridiculous. they wouldn't add flags to make the game "more realistic" when all these other broken / unrealistic driving mechanics exist. and whilst adding plasma guns and hover bikes to the game. there has clearly been big changes at rockstar over the past year. things can been coming into the game differently and usually broken. nobody on the outside can confirm why they're add flags but basic logic suggest its NOT for realism. 

 

edit: now sign that petition!

 

second edit: i did read your statement because temptation took over, but i'm pretty sure rockstar can't alter release day content / old content without the risk of totally breaking everything. i'm not sure how to flags can be changed, but it may be impossible for them to even change them at all on older cars

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Scottiedog123
1 hour ago, Tennyzulander said:

What do you mean? Remove what?

Yeah I mean remove the flags that have been added to new vehicles, not add flags to old ones.

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Mexicola9302

4,626

 

Im just gonna update it every few days, so ppl don't have to check the actual petition, im lazy i guess some other ppl are lazy too. :D 

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YELLOW DOG WITH CONE
19 hours ago, Tennyzulander said:

Well, keep the spoilers for adding traction because it's just silly to remove them. Spoilers should definitely add traction. You can't expect every car to have a spoiler option when being released. The downforce and tires can clip thing is dumb and should be removed. Some cars are just not on pace even they might a good top speed is because they either have a horrible turning circle, have horrible traction, and weak acceleration out of corners. It's from a racers perspective who is a avid racer from the racing community. 

Not all cars can equip an spoiler, putting them at a disadvantage. Even worse, some things that aren't actually spoilers (like no spoilers at all, spare wheels, motorcycle fairings and even front bumpers) also give traction. It's also annoying to have an spoiler equipped when not all cars have decent spoiler options. And even cars with downforce don't get extra traction at all.

 

I think in this case it makes sense to remove said traction bonus for the sake of balancing instead of realism.

Edited by Voodoo-Hendrix

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Mexicola9302

There should just be a downforce value that is fixed for all cars IMO, that every car gets a bonus of traction really every car, it shouldn't matter if you put a spoiler on it or not, the worst part is that the stock version spoiler does never add traction, you always have to buy one, even it it looks ugly, that's what makes me sick. Or they could just add an "invisible" spoiler option and a stock spoiler that only adds the traction without having to buy another custom spoiler, so we can benefit of the traction without making the car ugly af. A good example is the Ford RS 200 i forgot the ingame name of it, i really didn't want to put a spoiler on it but i had to the same with the Ford Focus/Fiesta mix kinda car, the stock spoiler looks nice but doesn't add any traction at all.

 

The whole spoiler problematic just pisses me off, also the weird tire clipping glitch that makes some cars insanely fast, i don't complain about fast cars, all the cars should be a bit faster, but that we have to use a physics bug to get faster just sucks.

 

And btw 4,682

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Tennyzulander
18 hours ago, Scottiedog123 said:

Yeah I mean remove the flags that have been added to new vehicles, not add flags to old ones.

Oh ok. Yeah, I agree!

3 hours ago, Voodoo-Hendrix said:

Not all cars can equip an spoiler, putting them at a disadvantage. Even worse, some things that aren't actually spoilers (like no spoilers at all, spare wheels, motorcycle fairings and even front bumpers) also give traction. It's also annoying to have an spoiler equipped when not all cars have decent spoiler options. And even cars with downforce don't get extra traction at all.

 

I think in this case it makes sense to remove said traction bonus for the sake of balancing instead of realism.

I guess downforce isnt a problem thing at all. Even if many cars had spoilers, many still wont be competitive anyway. Not all 44 sports cars will be on the same level of pace. Those things aren't really a problem, handling flags are the biggest problem right now. What I'm saying is that every car having a spoiler isn't going to make much of a difference. You can't please everyone. These little things imo aren't much of a issue compared to the handling flags. Handling flags are ruining the cars from being able to enjoy and be competitive. 

19 hours ago, Kiwi_91 said:

okay, but sticky bombs, constant ramming, CATCHUP, op slipstream, loops, fire hoops, 400ft drops, wheelie boosting, brake boosting, boost strips, rockets, jumps and many many more. are all realistic parts of a driving game? no, i've not even read the rest of your comment because that first sentence is ridiculous. they wouldn't add flags to make the game "more realistic" when all these other broken / unrealistic driving mechanics exist. and whilst adding plasma guns and hover bikes to the game. there has clearly been big changes at rockstar over the past year. things can been coming into the game differently and usually broken. nobody on the outside can confirm why they're add flags but basic logic suggest its NOT for realism. 

 

edit: now sign that petition!

 

second edit: i did read your statement because temptation took over, but i'm pretty sure rockstar can't alter release day content / old content without the risk of totally breaking everything. i'm not sure how to flags can be changed, but it may be impossible for them to even change them at all on older cars

Exactly my point.  This is gta and isn't meant to be realistic. 

Edited by Tennyzulander

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Mexicola9302

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Tennyzulander
On 1/12/2019 at 2:30 AM, Mexicola9302 said:

4718

It seems like it's slowing down in terms of the number of signatures being signed.

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luvsthedough

I just signed. Remove the flags AND RELEASE THE DAMN CARS. Will not ever spend a single penny on a crock star game again; theyre making us wait 3 weeks between getting any cars just so they can drag out a god-awful DLC. Nightclub DLC was overpriced and dull but it gave us something... this is beyond pathetic. If we dont get the Schlagen & Devest8 by Feb 7th, I am done, permanently. 20 yr player of their games going back to Max Payne I.

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Mach1bud
Just now, luvsthedough said:

AND RELEASE THE DAMN CARS. Will not ever spend a single penny on a crock star game again; theyre making us wait 3 weeks between getting any cars just so they can drag out a god-awful DLC. Nightclub DLC was overpriced and dull but it gave us something... this is beyond pathetic. If we dont get the Schlagen & Devest8 by Feb 7th, I am done, permanently. 20 yr player of their games going back to Max Payne I.

They aren't going to release the cars any faster if you sign the petition. The petition has absolutely nothing to do with the dripfeed schedule.

 

They have been dripfeeding just like this for 5 years now, it's nothing new. In the meantime you can drive one of the other 500+ vehicles or kick rocks mate. 

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Geisterfaust

Handling flags are not adding anything valuable to the driving experience. I'm not happy how cars are in the game, but adding flags is barking at the wrong tree.

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luvsthedough
5 hours ago, hei3enberg said:

Handling flags are not adding anything valuable to the driving experience. I'm not happy how cars are in the game, but adding flags is barking at the wrong tree.

Exactly. Theyre dripfeeding the hell out of us with broken cars. It's the ole' Stone Cold Steve Austin double middle finger.

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Tennyzulander
7 hours ago, hei3enberg said:

Handling flags are not adding anything valuable to the driving experience. I'm not happy how cars are in the game, but adding flags is barking at the wrong tree.

Yeah, I'm not buying these past vehicles from the southern san Andreas dlc until the flags are removed. The engine resistance crap really ruins the cars because it limits the rpm, causes slow acceleration, and weird gear changes. 

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Geisterfaust
23 minutes ago, Tennyzulander said:

Yeah, I'm not buying these past vehicles from the southern san Andreas dlc until the flags are removed. The engine resistance crap really ruins the cars because it limits the rpm, causes slow acceleration, and weird gear changes. 

Well, from that update I have Fagaloa and Ellie, but I'm not happy with them. Honestly, even after 5 years I don't find the driving experience in V satisfying, but handling flags is the worst thing that could have happened. Recently, I've remarked that stock cars in crowded single player could feel right, but tuned ones in online are too... boring. Not enough top speed, not enough torque at launch, too strict traction control. There are germs, however, like Schafters, ETR, Mamba or Revolter, but most of the cars are remarkably boring to drive.

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Mexicola9302
14 hours ago, Tennyzulander said:

It seems like it's slowing down in terms of the number of signatures being signed.

Yeah it's slowing down.

 

It's at 4791 now. I hope a lot of them at least sent the prepared email from broughy to Rockstar. I did of course.

 

Here the link to the email he prepared.

 

https://pastebin.com/u2YYpYzQ

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Pedinhuh

I made a point of changing my vote to Remove the flags of all cars, as to fit with my petition signature.

 

I'm quite sure R* dev team that is responsible for online aren't even capable of properly balancing them anyway, so it's better to do what they always done and remove it for good.

 

 

EDIT: 4809 signatures collected now, 191 signatures is what we need to reach the goal now.

Edited by Pedinhuh

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Arrows to Athens

Once they get hundreds and thousands of people saying will they will NOT buy any of the cars until the flags are removed, then they will start considering removing them.

 

It needs to affect fish card sales.

Edited by Arrows to Athens

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Agent 14

 

I'd say remove them then balance the classes since most likely cars that has handling flags will break their classes once said flags are removed.

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Tennyzulander
4 hours ago, Agent 14 said:

 

I'd say remove them then balance the classes since most likely cars that has handling flags will break their classes once said flags are removed.

Then again,  race in lobbies where people will won't use OP cars. I racd in lobbies where people exclude the OP cars. Why leave 36 ruined and just sitting in your garages? It's a waste. 

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Mexicola9302

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YELLOW DOG WITH CONE
12 hours ago, Mexicola9302 said:

5296

This petition deserves to have at least thrice that ammount.

 

Do your part guys.

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TCA
On 1/14/2019 at 3:20 PM, Arrows to Athens said:

Once they get hundreds and thousands of people saying will they will NOT buy any of the cars until the flags are removed, then they will start considering removing them.

 

It needs to affect fish card sales.

Highly doubtful. Especially with them. 9/10 they won’t budge on it at all. They’ll do the exact opposite....they’re really good at that. I mean they have cars in the wrong classes and they’ve done nothing about it. 

Edited by TCA

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