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Mexicola9302

[GTAO] Engine Limit Flag Petition (Remove it or add it to all cars)

Engine Resistance & Advanced Flag Poll  

173 members have voted

  1. 1. How should they be altered/changed?

    • A. The Engine Resistence and Advanced Flags should be removed from all cars, and they should not be added to any old or new cars. (Back to the roots, make all cars like before SSASSS).
    • B. The Engine Resistence and Advanced Flags should be added to all cars, just the way they are. (Ruin all cars, limit their RPM, make them jumpy offroad, etc)
    • C. The Engine Resistence and Advanced Flags should be added to all cars, but improved and more balanced so it makes more sense. Vehicles should not slow down on uneven roads, etc.


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kenmy13999
1 hour ago, Johnny362000 said:

The vast majority of people who signed this petition have no idea what "the handling flags" are, and with that wording I'm certain you don't either. The vast majority of people who think they're "educated" on the advanced flags are not at all, and Broughy hasn't exactly been doing much of a job of educating people. Not that I'd expect him to, if he actually went into detail about flags then few people would even listen anyway, as evidenced by people who watch his video on the tyres_can_clip flag and then go and put offroad tyres on all their cars

I don't like them at all, and I would rather see the back of them, but to pretend that this is somehow educating people about this stuff on even a surface level is ridiculous

You talk about how others don't know anything about the advanced handling flags but I don't see any evidence that you actually knows any more :)

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Johnny362000
3 hours ago, kenmy13999 said:

You talk about how others don't know anything about the advanced handling flags but I don't see any evidence that you actually knows any more :)

I don't really know how you expect me to have evidence of that. I mean, I could just pull a "don't you know who I am" but that would be stupid and arrogant. I could explain in detail everything about them that I know (because I don't at all claim to be all-knowing about this stuff) but that would take a long time to do in a way I'm happy with that leaves no potential for misconception (which is why I don't blame Brough at all for his simplified explanations). 

The truth is, the giveaways that people don't know what they're talking about are small little things, little bits of wording or ideas, that you'd only pick up as incorrect if you did know what the advanced flags actually are and how they actually work. For example, many people drop the "advanced" part of the name, problem is, flags or handling flags are totally different things to advanced flags

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KSI_IS_STUPID_
24 minutes ago, Johnny362000 said:

I don't really know how you expect me to have evidence of that. I mean, I could just pull a "don't you know who I am" but that would be stupid and arrogant. I could explain in detail everything about them that I know (because I don't at all claim to be all-knowing about this stuff) but that would take a long time to do in a way I'm happy with that leaves no potential for misconception (which is why I don't blame Brough at all for his simplified explanations). 

The truth is, the giveaways that people don't know what they're talking about are small little things, little bits of wording or ideas, that you'd only pick up as incorrect if you did know what the advanced flags actually are and how they actually work. For example, many people drop the "advanced" part of the name, problem is, flags or handling flags are totally different things to advanced flags

right pal so why don't you enlighten all of us of your definition of "advanced handling flags"

and techinically you're wrong about broughy because he did go in depth with a elaboration of the handling flags about the entity XXR.

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Johnny362000
14 hours ago, KSI_IS_STUPID_ said:

right pal so why don't you enlighten all of us of your definition of "advanced handling flags"

and techinically you're wrong about broughy because he did go in depth with a elaboration of the handling flags about the entity XXR.

You have completely misunderstood what I was talking about.

I will admit, I made a mistake. I did go back and re-watch that video because it had been a long time since I saw it and Brough did actually do a good job explaining them in detail. I made the mistake because I see countless fans of his spouting all sorts of complete nonsense about them and I assumed that they didn't know in the first place, which is great proof for my next point which is that even if I bothered to explain the advanced flags in a way that I would be happy with it would be a complete waste of my time because the very people I'm trying to educate would completely misunderstand or oversimplify everything and we would be back at square one.

However, if I were to sit here and type out my piece on advanced flags, you know what would happen? You and all the people I'm criticising would say "well no duh, that's exactly what we're saying" which is the fundamental issue. You think you understand and when someone like Broughy says something you nod your heads and agree but when you express your individual thoughts it's full of all sorts of mistakes, misunderstandings and misconceptions. Hell, the fact that in your message you say "elaboration of the handling flags about the Entity XXR" is exactly the example I gave in the very post you're responding to. Handling flags and Advanced flags are completely separate and unrelated and as long as people continue to make simple mistakes like that I can't trust that they know what they're talking about. With this example they quite literally don't know what it is they're talking about

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kenmy13999
31 minutes ago, Johnny362000 said:

You have completely misunderstood what I was talking about.

I will admit, I made a mistake. I did go back and re-watch that video because it had been a long time since I saw it and Brough did actually do a good job explaining them in detail. I made the mistake because I see countless fans of his spouting all sorts of complete nonsense about them and I assumed that they didn't know in the first place, which is great proof for my next point which is that even if I bothered to explain the advanced flags in a way that I would be happy with it would be a complete waste of my time because the very people I'm trying to educate would completely misunderstand or oversimplify everything and we would be back at square one.

However, if I were to sit here and type out my piece on advanced flags, you know what would happen? You and all the people I'm criticising would say "well no duh, that's exactly what we're saying" which is the fundamental issue. You think you understand and when someone like Broughy says something you nod your heads and agree but when you express your individual thoughts it's full of all sorts of mistakes, misunderstandings and misconceptions. Hell, the fact that in your message you say "elaboration of the handling flags about the Entity XXR" is exactly the example I gave in the very post you're responding to. Handling flags and Advanced flags are completely separate and unrelated and as long as people continue to make simple mistakes like that I can't trust that they know what they're talking about. With this example they quite literally don't know what it is they're talking about

You're talking about how people say handling flags but you say advanced flags yourself.. Could it be because it's easier than writing "advanced handling flags" every single time?

Most people here say handling flags because most people understand that they're talking about the advanced handling flags, pointing out that one simple thing doesn't make you as educated as you might think :)

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Lonely-Martin

Oh, I don't pretend to know about the technical's. And I don't care to, lol. I just thought it was a line of code, just numbers or letters, that changed how cars behave in-game, lol.

 

Whatever it is in its correct term, sh*t's gotta go. No need to get educated like @Johnny362000 says, I'll save that energy for stuff other than videogame techno-talk. :)

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Johnny362000
1 hour ago, kenmy13999 said:

You're talking about how people say handling flags but you say advanced flags yourself.. Could it be because it's easier than writing "advanced handling flags" every single time?

Most people here say handling flags because most people understand that they're talking about the advanced handling flags, pointing out that one simple thing doesn't make you as educated as you might think :)

Nope, they're not called "Advanced Handling Flags", they are just "Advanced flags"

This is exactly what I'm talking about

 

1 hour ago, Lonely-Martin said:

Whatever it is in its correct term, sh*t's gotta go. No need to get educated like @Johnny362000 says, I'll save that energy for stuff other than videogame techno-talk. :)

I agree that advanced flags have got to go. However, when even something as basic as referring to the correct thing is something escaping most people, resulting in ridiculous statements like "remove all flags" then everything falls apart.

Also I see a hilarious irony in campaigning against something while being wilfully ignorant about it, to the point you end up pointing the blame at something else entirely simply because you can't even get the name of what you're campaigning against right

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Lonely-Martin
38 minutes ago, Johnny362000 said:

1, I agree that advanced flags have got to go. However, when even something as basic as referring to the correct thing is something escaping most people, resulting in ridiculous statements like "remove all flags" then everything falls apart.

2, Also I see a hilarious irony in campaigning against something while being wilfully ignorant about it, to the point you end up pointing the blame at something else entirely simply because you can't even get the name of what you're campaigning against right

1, You overthink it. Its quite clear folk are saying 'remove all flags' in direct relation to this, lol. A bit of common sense is best applied, rather than look to nitpick what you assumed from folks posts. To me, it's just pointless and pretentious.

 

2, Did I say 'flags' or 'advanced flags' anywhere though? I need to read my previous posts, but fairly certain I never actually eluded to these by name, rightly or wrongly. I just want whatever R* did to f*ck cars up fixed. If I'm right that I didn't, then how have I got the name wrong, lol.

 

All I'm reading here is you trying to be some sort of smart arse and out to pick holes or start arguments with you acting like you know more, who cars about that petty crap dude. Don't be daft!

Edited by Lonely-Martin

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Mach1bud
34 minutes ago, Johnny362000 said:

I agree that advanced flags have got to go. However, when even something as basic as referring to the correct thing is something escaping most people, resulting in ridiculous statements like "remove all flags" then everything falls apart.

Also I see a hilarious irony in campaigning against something while being wilfully ignorant about it, to the point you end up pointing the blame at something else entirely simply because you can't even get the name of what you're campaigning against right

It doesn't matter what they are called or what the correct term is. Rockstar knows. We just want whatever sh*t is making these cars to behave the way they do to be removed. 

 

Let this topic be unless you have some way of helping the petition gain traction.

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kenmy13999
39 minutes ago, Johnny362000 said:

Nope, they're not called "Advanced Handling Flags", they are just "Advanced flags"

This is exactly what I'm talking about

 

 

You're right, it's advanced flags in the handling files, probably where it got from advanced flags to advanced handling flags.. Most people still understands very well what's being talked about without having to nitpick on small things like this trying to look somewhat "educated" on pointless things that people want gone :)

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Mexicola9302

6152 signatures now.

 

I don't think it does matter what we call the flags, we know what everybody means and rockstars knows it too.

Edited by Mexicola9302

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Tennyzulander
On 2/25/2019 at 9:34 AM, Mexicola9302 said:

6152 signatures now.

 

I don't think it does matter what we call the flags, we know what everybody means and rockstars knows it too.

Do you think R* will drop a DLC surprise like they did before? Many times, they have drop a dlc without any announcement or anything. I'm thinking definitely they will either announce it or drop it surprisingly. 

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kenmy13999
6 hours ago, Tennyzulander said:

Do you think R* will drop a DLC surprise like they did before? Many times, they have drop a dlc without any announcement or anything. I'm thinking definitely they will either announce it or drop it surprisingly. 

We have a thread for dlc speculation: 

 

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Mexicola9302
Posted (edited)

Broughy made an update to his petition. 6273 signatures atm.

 

MAR 7, 2019 — 

Hi all and welcome to the first update for this petition. Thank you all for your support and for signing this in such numbers! We haven't heard anything official from Rockstar so we're completely in the dark as to whether they've seen this or are taking any action (this is to be expected) but something has changed which warrants talking about and ideally action on all our parts.

Rockstar have a new GTA Online Feedback website where any user can submit feedback on a number of topics. I would like to request everyone who signed this petition go to that site and link this petition. There is a quote you can simply copy/paste below with instructions.

Once again thank you all for the support. I'll continue to update things here and on my channel if anything changes. If you don't hear anything from me you can assume everything is still the same.

Instructions

  1. Go to rockstargames.com/GTAOnline/feedback
  2. Fill in date of birth to gain access (I had an issue with this where it wouldn't progress past this screen - going into an incognito window fixed it)
  3. Click "Feedback/Suggestions"
  4. Click "Vehicles"
  5. Click "Other Vehicle Suggestions & Feedback"
  6. Sign in with Rockstar Games Social Club
  7. Copy/paste the following message into the feedback box and click submit: "36 new & very expensive cars in GTA handle terribly for no good reason thanks to the "strAdvancedFlags" handling line. Please fix/look into them. More info is in this petition: http://bit.ly/gtaflagspetition & this video: https://youtu.be/Pzn7V3o0Jjw"

Optional Extra

  1. Do the same as above but instead click "Vehicle Weapons" after "Vehicles"
  2. Copy/paste the following message into the feedback box and click submit: "Some vehicles, such as the Comet Safari, have weapons but can still be used in regular races with the guns being deactivated. Other vehicles, such as the Ardent, come with guns but can't be used in races at all because of that. Please look into all vehicles that can't be used in races because they are weaponised and make them available, with guns automatically deactivated, as is the case for other vehicles."

 

Edit: I just followed his instructions, and did send the 2 "feedbacks".

Edited by Mexicola9302

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Mexicola9302

6372+

 

Ppl still sign it, i kinda lost hope but yeah we will see. 

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MsBrandi

^there's a slim chance of the flags getting removed but hey at least we tried right? I even use my 2nd email to sign the petition lol, hopefully they listen though 😁

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kenmy13999

I used 6 different emails to sign the first petition just to get it to 100 😂

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MsBrandi
1 minute ago, kenmy13999 said:

I used 6 different emails to sign the first petition just to get it to 100 😂

Right on brother! 😂

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Jenkiiii
Posted (edited)

I am a GTA online generalist, not an exclusive racer, but I also have links with the racing community and have noticed how they have adapted to the new advanced handling flags, such as developing races specifically suited to the Itali GTO, for example. I therefore think it's already too late to remove the advanced handling flags because most people have adapted to them, invested in new vehicles, and know which cars behave in a certain way.

 

I think that Rockstar needs to adjust certain stats on certain cars, that's all. The Itali GTO needs to be a bit heavier so that it doesn't bounce so much, and the Vamos needs to be less susceptible to rolling over, for example, which would be a simple case of adjusting a few numbers in existing code. I think the existing physics of GTA online mean that many vehicles get speed boosts for going over rough terrain and objects, instead of experiencing friction and resistance, so a major re-write of the terrain code itself would be required, which is probably beyond the realms of  our existing GTA online, so why not be sensible with these advanced handling flags, hey Rockstar, and tone them down a bit, or adjust the physics of the cars that are most affected by them?

 

Rockstar are doing a good job, but they need to make sure that car handling physics are understandable, realistic and consistent.

Edited by Jenkiiii

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kenmy13999

I don’t mind the flags if all was in line with how they are on the Deveste 8 and Clique. SSASSS ones should have most removed or at least adjusted and the engine resistance stat or whatever it is should also be removed. The Itali GTO could do with adjustment of the 40000 value to make it way less bouncy. 

 

I'm pretty sure they won't be removed so our only hope imo is that they're adjusted :)

 

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MARINA

I'm not signing the petition because I like the Arena War advanced flags and as such, I want them used continuously. 

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MeisterJazz
24 minutes ago, MARINA said:

I'm not signing the petition because I like the Arena War advanced flags and as such, I want them used continuously. 

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Mach1bud
58 minutes ago, MARINA said:

I'm not signing the petition because I like the Arena War advanced flags and as such, I want them used continuously. 

Good move on bumping this topic then, so even more people see it lol.

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MARINA
Posted (edited)
6 minutes ago, Mach1bud said:

Good move on bumping this topic then, so even more people see it lol.

This thread and petition was started on July 31st, 2018 and has only got 135 signatures, being an older thread I don't think this thread is anything new for anyone. I don't think me bumping this thread will create much impact seeing as the petition itself already lacks traction. AdvancedFlags most likely aren't leaving or changing anyway, this is R* we're talking about. When do they ever change hard-coded features? Almost never.

Edited by MARINA

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Mach1bud
22 minutes ago, MARINA said:

This thread and petition was started on July 31st, 2018 and has only got 135 signatures, being an older thread I don't think this thread is anything new for anyone. I don't think me bumping this thread will create much impact seeing as the petition itself already lacks traction. AdvancedFlags most likely aren't leaving or changing anyway, this is R* we're talking about. When do they ever change hard-coded features? Almost never.

Eh, I think once Broughy made his petition this topic was more so just a redirect to that one, but hey whatever it's all good. 

 

I do have a good feeling about all this though.

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The Ost
4 hours ago, MARINA said:

I'm not signing the petition because I like the Arena War advanced flags and as such, I want them used continuously. 

What do you like about them?

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Mach1bud
Posted (edited)
9 minutes ago, The Ost said:

What do you like about them?

They can potentially go faster than normal cars around certain race tracks due to the wonky physics of this game.

 

*Pretty much only applies to the GTO, Clique, and Impaler to some degree, as they are the only ones that are fast enough or can be used in races anyways.

Edited by Mach1bud

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MARINA
1 hour ago, Mach1bud said:

They can potentially go faster than normal cars around certain race tracks due to the wonky physics of this game.

 

*Pretty much only applies to the GTO, Clique, and Impaler to some degree, as they are the only ones that are fast enough or can be used in races anyways.

Mach pretty much summed up my feelings in his post although I also like the added traction that the bouncy flags give. 

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Gridl0k

Just fix my GTOs you f*cks 

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