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Mexicola9302

[GTAO] Engine Limit Flag Petition (Remove it or add it to all cars)

Engine Resistance & Advanced Flag Poll  

160 members have voted

  1. 1. How should they be altered/changed?

    • A. The Engine Resistence and Advanced Flags should be removed from all cars, and they should not be added to any old or new cars. (Back to the roots, make all cars like before SSASSS).
    • B. The Engine Resistence and Advanced Flags should be added to all cars, just the way they are. (Ruin all cars, limit their RPM, make them jumpy offroad, etc)
    • C. The Engine Resistence and Advanced Flags should be added to all cars, but improved and more balanced so it makes more sense. Vehicles should not slow down on uneven roads, etc.


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kenmy13999
1 hour ago, Johnny362000 said:

The vast majority of people who signed this petition have no idea what "the handling flags" are, and with that wording I'm certain you don't either. The vast majority of people who think they're "educated" on the advanced flags are not at all, and Broughy hasn't exactly been doing much of a job of educating people. Not that I'd expect him to, if he actually went into detail about flags then few people would even listen anyway, as evidenced by people who watch his video on the tyres_can_clip flag and then go and put offroad tyres on all their cars

I don't like them at all, and I would rather see the back of them, but to pretend that this is somehow educating people about this stuff on even a surface level is ridiculous

You talk about how others don't know anything about the advanced handling flags but I don't see any evidence that you actually knows any more :)

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Johnny362000
3 hours ago, kenmy13999 said:

You talk about how others don't know anything about the advanced handling flags but I don't see any evidence that you actually knows any more :)

I don't really know how you expect me to have evidence of that. I mean, I could just pull a "don't you know who I am" but that would be stupid and arrogant. I could explain in detail everything about them that I know (because I don't at all claim to be all-knowing about this stuff) but that would take a long time to do in a way I'm happy with that leaves no potential for misconception (which is why I don't blame Brough at all for his simplified explanations). 

The truth is, the giveaways that people don't know what they're talking about are small little things, little bits of wording or ideas, that you'd only pick up as incorrect if you did know what the advanced flags actually are and how they actually work. For example, many people drop the "advanced" part of the name, problem is, flags or handling flags are totally different things to advanced flags

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KSI_IS_STUPID_
24 minutes ago, Johnny362000 said:

I don't really know how you expect me to have evidence of that. I mean, I could just pull a "don't you know who I am" but that would be stupid and arrogant. I could explain in detail everything about them that I know (because I don't at all claim to be all-knowing about this stuff) but that would take a long time to do in a way I'm happy with that leaves no potential for misconception (which is why I don't blame Brough at all for his simplified explanations). 

The truth is, the giveaways that people don't know what they're talking about are small little things, little bits of wording or ideas, that you'd only pick up as incorrect if you did know what the advanced flags actually are and how they actually work. For example, many people drop the "advanced" part of the name, problem is, flags or handling flags are totally different things to advanced flags

right pal so why don't you enlighten all of us of your definition of "advanced handling flags"

and techinically you're wrong about broughy because he did go in depth with a elaboration of the handling flags about the entity XXR.

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Johnny362000
14 hours ago, KSI_IS_STUPID_ said:

right pal so why don't you enlighten all of us of your definition of "advanced handling flags"

and techinically you're wrong about broughy because he did go in depth with a elaboration of the handling flags about the entity XXR.

You have completely misunderstood what I was talking about.

I will admit, I made a mistake. I did go back and re-watch that video because it had been a long time since I saw it and Brough did actually do a good job explaining them in detail. I made the mistake because I see countless fans of his spouting all sorts of complete nonsense about them and I assumed that they didn't know in the first place, which is great proof for my next point which is that even if I bothered to explain the advanced flags in a way that I would be happy with it would be a complete waste of my time because the very people I'm trying to educate would completely misunderstand or oversimplify everything and we would be back at square one.

However, if I were to sit here and type out my piece on advanced flags, you know what would happen? You and all the people I'm criticising would say "well no duh, that's exactly what we're saying" which is the fundamental issue. You think you understand and when someone like Broughy says something you nod your heads and agree but when you express your individual thoughts it's full of all sorts of mistakes, misunderstandings and misconceptions. Hell, the fact that in your message you say "elaboration of the handling flags about the Entity XXR" is exactly the example I gave in the very post you're responding to. Handling flags and Advanced flags are completely separate and unrelated and as long as people continue to make simple mistakes like that I can't trust that they know what they're talking about. With this example they quite literally don't know what it is they're talking about

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kenmy13999
31 minutes ago, Johnny362000 said:

You have completely misunderstood what I was talking about.

I will admit, I made a mistake. I did go back and re-watch that video because it had been a long time since I saw it and Brough did actually do a good job explaining them in detail. I made the mistake because I see countless fans of his spouting all sorts of complete nonsense about them and I assumed that they didn't know in the first place, which is great proof for my next point which is that even if I bothered to explain the advanced flags in a way that I would be happy with it would be a complete waste of my time because the very people I'm trying to educate would completely misunderstand or oversimplify everything and we would be back at square one.

However, if I were to sit here and type out my piece on advanced flags, you know what would happen? You and all the people I'm criticising would say "well no duh, that's exactly what we're saying" which is the fundamental issue. You think you understand and when someone like Broughy says something you nod your heads and agree but when you express your individual thoughts it's full of all sorts of mistakes, misunderstandings and misconceptions. Hell, the fact that in your message you say "elaboration of the handling flags about the Entity XXR" is exactly the example I gave in the very post you're responding to. Handling flags and Advanced flags are completely separate and unrelated and as long as people continue to make simple mistakes like that I can't trust that they know what they're talking about. With this example they quite literally don't know what it is they're talking about

You're talking about how people say handling flags but you say advanced flags yourself.. Could it be because it's easier than writing "advanced handling flags" every single time?

Most people here say handling flags because most people understand that they're talking about the advanced handling flags, pointing out that one simple thing doesn't make you as educated as you might think :)

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Lonely-Martin

Oh, I don't pretend to know about the technical's. And I don't care to, lol. I just thought it was a line of code, just numbers or letters, that changed how cars behave in-game, lol.

 

Whatever it is in its correct term, sh*t's gotta go. No need to get educated like @Johnny362000 says, I'll save that energy for stuff other than videogame techno-talk. :)

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Johnny362000
1 hour ago, kenmy13999 said:

You're talking about how people say handling flags but you say advanced flags yourself.. Could it be because it's easier than writing "advanced handling flags" every single time?

Most people here say handling flags because most people understand that they're talking about the advanced handling flags, pointing out that one simple thing doesn't make you as educated as you might think :)

Nope, they're not called "Advanced Handling Flags", they are just "Advanced flags"

This is exactly what I'm talking about

 

1 hour ago, Lonely-Martin said:

Whatever it is in its correct term, sh*t's gotta go. No need to get educated like @Johnny362000 says, I'll save that energy for stuff other than videogame techno-talk. :)

I agree that advanced flags have got to go. However, when even something as basic as referring to the correct thing is something escaping most people, resulting in ridiculous statements like "remove all flags" then everything falls apart.

Also I see a hilarious irony in campaigning against something while being wilfully ignorant about it, to the point you end up pointing the blame at something else entirely simply because you can't even get the name of what you're campaigning against right

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Lonely-Martin
38 minutes ago, Johnny362000 said:

1, I agree that advanced flags have got to go. However, when even something as basic as referring to the correct thing is something escaping most people, resulting in ridiculous statements like "remove all flags" then everything falls apart.

2, Also I see a hilarious irony in campaigning against something while being wilfully ignorant about it, to the point you end up pointing the blame at something else entirely simply because you can't even get the name of what you're campaigning against right

1, You overthink it. Its quite clear folk are saying 'remove all flags' in direct relation to this, lol. A bit of common sense is best applied, rather than look to nitpick what you assumed from folks posts. To me, it's just pointless and pretentious.

 

2, Did I say 'flags' or 'advanced flags' anywhere though? I need to read my previous posts, but fairly certain I never actually eluded to these by name, rightly or wrongly. I just want whatever R* did to f*ck cars up fixed. If I'm right that I didn't, then how have I got the name wrong, lol.

 

All I'm reading here is you trying to be some sort of smart arse and out to pick holes or start arguments with you acting like you know more, who cars about that petty crap dude. Don't be daft!

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Mach1bud
34 minutes ago, Johnny362000 said:

I agree that advanced flags have got to go. However, when even something as basic as referring to the correct thing is something escaping most people, resulting in ridiculous statements like "remove all flags" then everything falls apart.

Also I see a hilarious irony in campaigning against something while being wilfully ignorant about it, to the point you end up pointing the blame at something else entirely simply because you can't even get the name of what you're campaigning against right

It doesn't matter what they are called or what the correct term is. Rockstar knows. We just want whatever sh*t is making these cars to behave the way they do to be removed. 

 

Let this topic be unless you have some way of helping the petition gain traction.

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kenmy13999
39 minutes ago, Johnny362000 said:

Nope, they're not called "Advanced Handling Flags", they are just "Advanced flags"

This is exactly what I'm talking about

 

 

You're right, it's advanced flags in the handling files, probably where it got from advanced flags to advanced handling flags.. Most people still understands very well what's being talked about without having to nitpick on small things like this trying to look somewhat "educated" on pointless things that people want gone :)

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