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Cutter De Blanc

Is Micah Bell a bad guy?

Is Micha Bell a bad guy?  

103 members have voted

  1. 1. Do you think Micha Bell will be one of the antagonists?

    • Yes
      66
    • No
      18
    • Undecided
      16
    • Other
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BretMaverick777
9 hours ago, Display Name said:

Micah is cool. Unironically one of the good guys. He knew Dutch was insane and full of sh*t, so he wanted to use him. Besides Dutch he didn't betray anyone, because he lacked that bond with other gang members. He was as "evil" as anyone else in the gang, others just were living in their fantasy land where they were the good guys.

People...including Rockstar....throw that "insanity" accusation around Dutch all the time with no visible proof to back it up.   What Dutch IS guilty of is egotism and narcissism.  And yeah, Micah recognized that in him instantly and was able to use flattery and brown-nosing to ingratiate himself into Dutch's good graces.  

 

But Micah Bell was born bad; evil through and through.   He was already wanted for the brutal murder of a couple that Micah and his dad hung up and butchered like pigs during a routine home invasion.   He massacred virtually the entire town of Strawberry just to find his favorite pair of pistols.   He murders little girls for fun.   He abused and killed the camp dog.   He would've raped (and probably murdered) Sadie Adler, if Dutch and Arthur hadn't stopped him.  

 

The words "good guy" and "Micah Bell" do not belong in the same sentence, ever.   Except to say that a good guy was brought down and betrayed by Micah Bell; a good guy was backstabbed and murdered by Micah Bell; and a good guy delivered a .45 caliber stroke of justice to Micah Bell.  

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IceD34ler
48 minutes ago, BretMaverick777 said:

People...including Rockstar....throw that "insanity" accusation around Dutch all the time with no visible proof to back it up.   What Dutch IS guilty of is egotism and narcissism.  And yeah, Micah recognized that in him instantly and was able to use flattery and brown-nosing to ingratiate himself into Dutch's good graces.  

 

But Micah Bell was born bad; evil through and through.   He was already wanted for the brutal murder of a couple that Micah and his dad hung up and butchered like pigs during a routine home invasion.   He massacred virtually the entire town of Strawberry just to find his favorite pair of pistols.   He murders little girls for fun.   He abused and killed the camp dog.   He would've raped (and probably murdered) Sadie Adler, if Dutch and Arthur hadn't stopped him.  

 

The words "good guy" and "Micah Bell" do not belong in the same sentence, ever.   Except to say that a good guy was brought down and betrayed by Micah Bell; a good guy was backstabbed and murdered by Micah Bell; and a good guy delivered a .45 caliber stroke of justice to Micah Bell.  

That Strawberry mission communicated well what kind of "guy" Micah really is. But I liked that, he is the crazier member of the gang. But I'm not that far into the story though, maybe I'll regret that 😛

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Deadman2112

Not being argumentative...

Also, not that I disagree with your description of Micah. No doubt he is a bad guy...

 

I think the story makes that perfectly clear...

 

 

On 12/13/2018 at 7:42 AM, BretMaverick777 said:

He massacred virtually the entire town of Strawberry just to find his favorite pair of pistols.

However...

Regarding the Strawberry shootout...
He did what he did in strawberry to eliminate the witnesses.

 

Both just before and after you free him from jail, clues to this can be overheard during random NPC to NPC conversations. I think even the shopkeeper mentions something about it.

...might have been the butcher.

 

If you doubt me...
Role back to an old save, go have a listen for yourselves.

Spend a few days there...

 

But for the sake of argument, and at the risk that I'm just simply misunderstanding you...


Where is this proof you have showing that this was all done only...
"So he could get his guns back"

 

I get that this is what the story shows on the surface

...but that's not the whole story and I've given you a way to find that out for yourself.

 

 

On 12/13/2018 at 7:42 AM, BretMaverick777 said:

...and a good guy delivered a .45 caliber stroke of justice to Micah Bell.  

 

One last question...

Who is this good guy you speak of?

John?

 

Ok well let me ask this...

Do you consider Dutch a good guy?

 

I know...

Your probably wondering why I want to know if you think Dutch is a good guy.

...Right?

 

Well indulge me for a moment...

 

If you think Dutch is a good guy then the statement I quoted is true.

 

However, if you think he is a bad guy then it is incorrect.

 

I say that because...

 

If what you said were true...
Then would it surprise you to know that there is an ending in which Dutch shoots Micah?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just a little something for you all to keep in mind here...
 

 

...it's all about what he says at the end.

Call it, a little food for thought?

 

 

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BretMaverick777
47 minutes ago, Deadman2112 said:
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Not being argumentative...

Also, not that I disagree with your description of Micah. No doubt he is a bag guy...

 

I think the story makes that perfectly clear...

 

 

However...

Regarding the Strawberry shootout...
He did what he did in strawberry to eliminate the witnesses.

 

Both just before and after you free him from jail, clues to this can be overheard during random NPC to NPC conversations. I think even the shopkeeper mentions something about it.

...might have been the butcher.

 

What "witnesses?"   And "witnesses" to what?

Micah and Lenny went to Strawberry scouting missions and wound up in a bar fight, presumably at the Trackers Hotel Rockstar won't let us into.  Micah got caught; Lenny didn't.  

Micah wasn't taking out "witnesses" to anything....he was slaughtering an entire town, and made Arthur join him.

 

47 minutes ago, Deadman2112 said:
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Where is this proof you have showing that this was all done only...

"So he could get his guns back"

 

 

Pretty much all those parts where Micah said "I need to get my guns back" and Arthur says "you shot up half a town so you could get your guns back?!" 

Micah's "diversion" is solely to lead them to the house of "Skinny"....a  fat guy named Norman who had accompanied Micah on a botched bank robbery down south and had kept Micah's favorite pair of pistols.   That's ALL Micah wanted, and he was willing to massacre a town full of civilians just to get those damn revolvers. 

47 minutes ago, Deadman2112 said:
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Then would it surprise you to know that there is an ending in which Dutch shoots Micah?

 

Nope, because it's a major plot point.   Atop Mt. Hagen at the Millesani Claim, Dutch shoots Micah.  John finishes the job, because Micah doesn't drop.  Did you think that was some mystery that nobody caught....?  Again, it's central to the ending of the Epilogue.  Not sure what you're implying, other than "Dutch is a bad guy, too."   Yeah, we all got that part, way back in 2011 with RDR1.  It's just that Dutch didn't go around raping widows, murdering dogs and children, or slaughtering sleepy towns to recover a lost/stolen pair of pistols.  It's a matter of scale, and scope.

47 minutes ago, Deadman2112 said:

 

 

 

 

Just a little something for you all to keep in mind here...
 

 

...it's all about what he says at the end.

Call it, a little food for thought?

 

 

What are we supposed to be thinking about?   The fact that Micah had a crummy childhood and a criminal for a father?   That's the same bio as pretty much the entire gang, save one or two.   I'm not sure what you think that's supposed to prove. 

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Deadman2112
On 12/11/2018 at 4:50 AM, Deadman2112 said:

Again

Not that I disagree but the strawberry thing is to eliminate witnesses. Especially the ones that saw and directly overheard him talking to the government men.

 

(Side note...

...as I said on another post this wasn't a gang that if you decided to leave would kill you for making that choice. That is made clear in the very beginning of the game, by pretty much all of them.

...but the one thing you didn't do, that definitely would get you killed, was to talk.)

 

Getting back to strawberry...

He kills the guy in the cell and later says he was an O'Driscoll gang member.

Then kills the two people in that house and said it was because he had to get his guns

...and both of the things he said may be partly true, but it's only part of the reason.

 

If you listen to NPC conversation later in the game, a clue can be overheard regarding this. Put that together with the clues later found at his camp site, and there you have it.

...it's really that simple.

 

It's really all the uniformed speculation that is leading to this misunderstanding.

 

The main witnesses he was after are..

 

...all the law men at the jail

 

...the guy in the jail cell with him

 

...and the two people in that house 

All because they directly overheard him talking to the government men, he know that Dutch would kill him for it if they were left alive.

 

Everyone else was unfortunately a result of that.

 

It seems most road a boat across the pond and saw only the ripples on the surface.

...where as I went diving in it.

 

Basically for me...

Simply telling me that the clock ticks, isn't enough. I want to know how and why it ticks.

 

I think most if not all can agree that truth is a black and white thing.

...but how can you know truth if color you are looking at and describing is gray?

My point is...

Only by knowing all the facts can you make a truly informed opinion on anything you see. That goes for real life as well.

 

I don't know what else to say.

I can't put it in any simpler terms.

 

Anyway, best of luck

...and happy hunting.

 

 

@BretMaverick777

It was only back one page...

Guess it was hard to find

 

I said I wasn't being argumentative, no need to get yourself worked up, and triggered.

Geees...

 

P.S. in my original post I said the clues were after but they were both right before and right after you get him out if jail

So before you even try to say I've got the timeline wrong...

Think again.

 

Also if you believe what Micah says...

Then i guess there you go.

lol You got the truth from the silver tongued devil himself

...if you choose to believe that.

 

In light of this...

We'll just agree to disagree 

I'm moving on now

 

L8r

 

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BretMaverick777
4 minutes ago, Deadman2112 said:

@BretMaverick777

 

Guess it was to hard to read the first time...

 

Yeah....tbh, it IS hard to read.   Because you don't seem to grasp the necessity to be concise and cohesive with your thoughts.   You're just spouting stream of consciousness all over the page, setting up straw man arguments and shooting them down, arguing with yourself at times, and very little of your expansive posts make any sense. 

 

But your suppositions about what took place behind the scenes in Strawberry are based on pie-in-the-sky conjecture that's not even remotely backed up by the story.   There is NO evidence Micah was talking to Pinkertons in Strawberry, nor anywhere else, for that matter, until he snitched to Agent Milton after the guys returned to St. Denis from Guarma very late in the game.   And there's CERTAINLY no evidence that neither "Skinny" nor the sheriff nor anybody else in Strawberry "witnessed" Micah doing anything at all except getting into a drunk barroom brawl with an equally drunk O'Driscoll.   Especially considering there's absolutely no sign in the story that Pinkertons were ever in Strawberry, at any time, for any purpose.   Milton was hunting Dutch at Horseshoe Overlook, far far away from Strawberry. 

 

You've really got a misplaced perception of the timeline of this game, and you seem to think that later events are somehow tied to earlier events, when clearly they're not.  And then you build on those unsupported presumptions with even more theories and conspiracies that simply do not exist anywhere in the story.  

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FreeMaxB585
On 12/9/2018 at 3:23 PM, Deadman2112 said:

@FreeMaxB585

 

You are once again putting words in my mouth truly showing what kind of uneducated moron you are...

 

 

So since you wouldn't just walk away, so I'll leave you with this...

 

 

before I go...

Now you are blocked...

 

And don't call me bro 

 

P.S. hit play a few times so the point gets across 

 

 

 

does daddy issues make him racist to?

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tom210403
On 8/20/2018 at 10:46 PM, TheDon1223 said:

I reckon he could be the Ryder of Dutch' s crew. An asset to the gang but shady and subversive. Maybe he even tries to sell the gang out for his own personal gain.

you were correct

On 7/27/2018 at 12:44 AM, 1898 said:

The young whippersnapper, I think he'll be walking lock step with the gang.  In that clip, it sounds like he's letting him off the hook rather than coming down on Arthur.

 

Another thing I just noticed from that pic - butt-forward/cross-draw confirmed 👍

 

 

 

 

nah he was making an excuse to arthur for his own wrongdoing

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3 hours ago, tom210403 said:

 

nah he was making an excuse to arthur for his own wrongdoing

Yes, I realize that now, this was based on the pre-release trailers.

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burger_mike
On 7/26/2018 at 7:12 PM, BretMaverick777 said:

I personally think he seems like a cool dude.  I still believe there's a lot of open-ended story in this game, based entirely around how the player personally acts and plays (i.e., a good-neutral-evil alignment system), and I think Micah is one of those in the #ScrewDutch camp....I believe the "brothers make mistakes" is more a condemnation of Arthur taking Dutch's side over the side of reason and/or compassion regarding some incident that gets one or more of the gang in trouble with the boss. 

 

Right now, he kinda brings to mind for me David Carradine's portrayal of Cole Younger in "The Long Riders."  One serious badass.

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Lol if only

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LorshZontek

yes he is, he literally has no redeeming qualitys aside from having a good voice actor and a great antagonist  

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Stannard96
On 12/13/2018 at 1:42 PM, BretMaverick777 said:

People...including Rockstar....throw that "insanity" accusation around Dutch all the time with no visible proof to back it up.   What Dutch IS guilty of is egotism and narcissism.  And yeah, Micah recognized that in him instantly and was able to use flattery and brown-nosing to ingratiate himself into Dutch's good graces.  

 

But Micah Bell was born bad; evil through and through.   He was already wanted for the brutal murder of a couple that Micah and his dad hung up and butchered like pigs during a routine home invasion.   He massacred virtually the entire town of Strawberry just to find his favorite pair of pistols.   He murders little girls for fun.   He abused and killed the camp dog.   He would've raped (and probably murdered) Sadie Adler, if Dutch and Arthur hadn't stopped him.  

 

The words "good guy" and "Micah Bell" do not belong in the same sentence, ever.   Except to say that a good guy was brought down and betrayed by Micah Bell; a good guy was backstabbed and murdered by Micah Bell; and a good guy delivered a .45 caliber stroke of justice to Micah Bell.  

I personally don’t quite agree. My feeling was always that Micah wanted approval from Arthur and that he became spiteful upon not getting it. A bad guy, but I see a little insecurity at the very least 😅

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