B-11 Strikeforce Appreciation & Discussion Thread

[DeadArashi]

8 minutes ago, MrARCO said:

Valid point. Maybe they just need to reduce the bombs rather then remove them completely. Agreed.

I mean, I wouldn't be against losing bombs altogether, probably just won't buy them. But I do agree the number it carries should be reduced. Honestly they should just give that number of bombs to the Bombushka already. If I wanted a bomber jet I would be waiting for them to give me the B-2 or F-117

[Happy Hunter]

I think Gaffa's suggestion is the best - mainly because it's so simple. And given it could be releasing at any point (well, within a week) - I think only something simple has a chance of being implemented. Anything more than a quick change of numbers, etc. might push it way back. Which would be better than having a botched A-10, but still pretty lame.

 

Gaffa seems to know what's up with it. What was it, just two stats? Time between shots, and damage at end of blast (or something like that). Change those and it'd be a big imporvement over what it is.

 

Right now it just feels like a reskinned Rogue. We already have a Rogue, as well as plenty of similar vehicles in Smuggler's Run. Why can't the A-10 fans just have this actually be something like an A-10? There's a cheesy explosive sniper to deal with it easily, a million floating vehicles with super missiles, a Chernobog - there's really no excuse to have the gun so poorly represented.

[Thomas The Dank Engine]

20 hours ago, Happy Hunter said:

I think Gaffa's suggestion is the best - mainly because it's so simple. And given it could be releasing at any point (well, within a week) - I think only something simple has a chance of being implemented. Anything more than a quick change of numbers, etc. might push it way back. Which would be better than having a botched A-10, but still pretty lame.

 

Gaffa seems to know what's up with it. What was it, just two stats? Time between shots, and damage at end of blast (or something like that). Change those and it'd be a big imporvement over what it is.

 

Right now it just feels like a reskinned Rogue. We already have a Rogue, as well as plenty of similar vehicles in Smuggler's Run. Why can't the A-10 fans just have this actually be something like an A-10? There's a cheesy explosive sniper to deal with it easily, a million floating vehicles with super missiles, a Chernobog - there's really no excuse to have the gun so poorly represented.

 

Well, i'll still use the barrage option though.

 

seems like the barrage at least is a valid option for infantry:

 

 

Thank you Maison George! His channel.

Edited August 3, 2018 by MrARCO

[Gaffa]

Okay so after changing some things and testing them in singleplayer against AI tanks at Fort Zancudo and APC's spawned-in with armour at LSIA, I can safely say the setup I've got *should* be a big buff to the cannons, whilst still allowing the odd occasion for a player to survive on foot (where only one round hits which would be less common with a higher rate of fire). If Rockstar wants to consider balance, drop the capacity of the bombs down to 25 (if they're 50) or 50 if it will have 100 when released. They could also change a couple of things with how many different types of explosives the B-11 takes to destroy, reducing those numbers a bit - I've already tested the majority of what's going to be used against the B-11. 

 

Anyway... You can see the comparison between the default (left) and my version (on the right). 

Oh, and I went into mpbattle > explosion.meta and added the B11 cannon as a whole new explosion type because, well, I think this should have something named for it only. 

https://www.diffchecker.com/qhr0J1Wz

Vehicle weapon changes:
1) Default explosion type name changed from Rogue cannon to B11 cannon

2) Vehicle damage modifier changed from 1.0 to 2.0. This definitely seems to work in singleplayer, so I'm hoping it takes effect online too (there's no way of checking that at all)

3) Rate of fire increased from 480 RPM to 4000 RPM (time between shots from 0.125 to 0.015)

4) Rumble intensity changed from 0.075 to 0.125 - all this seems to do is slightly increase the amount of vibration felt in the controller when the cannon is being fired. 

 

https://www.diffchecker.com/OMiQpZok

Explosion data changes:

1) Explosion type name change

2) Damage at edge doubled from 50.0 to 100.0

3) End radius increased by half a meter (goes from 2.0 to 2.5)

4) Hitting a player will now set them on fire, rather than expecting the area to cause fire damage to the player (which they can probably run away from anyway). 

 

The result? I no longer have to do multiple fly-bys to have these APCs destroyed, in fact perhaps the only two APCs that survived were because of bad aiming... 

 

 

The Hydra / Lazer / Savage will still be a definite one-hit-kill to players on foot. 

 

I was actually flabbergasted some popular YouTubers were saying "they had to nerf something" or "it's already well balanced" because just like the Jester Classic, if it isn't going to be done properly, there's no point in doing it at all. Of course they're entitled to their opinion, but if Rockstar Games added this because it was heavily requested, a fan favourite, or simply because it going to sell well, they should perhaps capitalise on the selling point (its cannon) otherwise people will just use the Hydra or Lazer. They went to the effort of researching it's cannon sound but failed to implement the rate of fire the thing has, whilst also missing what types of rounds this weapon fires. 

 

Hell, they could give this thing some sort of ammo limit if that was really necessary, but in that case I'd like to see all aircraft's cannon ammo limited.  

Edited August 2, 2018 by Gaffa

[Bloodytears1666]

4 hours ago, MrARCO said:

 

 

If this not enough though. I guess people who asking for more all invite only population and will not be dealing with this, to start to ask for less.

[Geisterfaust]

^ Mason is a known mass murderer. I personally know couple of guys who can get a lot of kills with Thruster and the thing is far from OP and I don't care about the barrage or armor, I want a better main gun that's all. BTW, this video is a montage of successful kills, raw will look differently. 

 

Damn, Mrs. Buzz can do some sh*t in a freaking Buzzard and I think a lot of people may agree that the bird is not only not OP but deserves a buff.

Edited August 2, 2018 by hei3enberg

[Gaffa]

Yeah griefing people with an unreleased vehicle is always good to watch.  

 

I suppose in defence, "it gives people an idea of how the B-11 is". 

Edited August 2, 2018 by Gaffa

[Happy Hunter]

1 hour ago, Gaffa said:

 

 

I was actually flabbergasted some popular YouTubers were saying "they had to nerf something" or "it's already well balanced" because just like the Jester Classic, if it isn't going to be done properly, there's no point in doing it at all. Of course they're entitled to their opinion, but if Rockstar Games added this because it was heavily requested, a fan favourite, or simply because it going to sell well, they should perhaps capitalise on the selling point (its cannon) otherwise people will just use the Hydra or Lazer. They went to the effort of researching it's cannon sound but failed to implement the rate of fire the thing has, whilst also missing what types of rounds this weapon fires. 

A lot of them - even good, non-tryhard ones - are a bit overly-conscious of whether it looks like they're good or bad at the game. So they'll never say something needs to be stronger or better. Was the same with the Savage - even though they just quietly accept it as fine now, so obviously it was a warranted buff.

 

I just hope it doesn't take as long as the Savage did.

 

That video looks great by the way. I'd be more than happy with that.

Edited August 2, 2018 by Happy Hunter

[SHOKKERZ91]

33 minutes ago, Happy Hunter said:

A lot of them - even good, non-tryhard ones - are a bit overly-conscious of whether it looks like they're good or bad at the game. So they'll never say something needs to be stronger or better. Was the same with the Savage - even though they just quietly accept it as fine now, so obviously it was a warranted buff.

 

I just hope it doesn't take as long as the Savage did.

 

That video looks great by the way. I'd be more than happy with that.

All the casuals only wants one thing: super agressive homing missiles that does the job for them. And all the big youtubers are casuals, or even guys who don´t know jack sh*t about the game. Of course they don´t know anything about balance. It starts when those youtubers say "buy a deluxo to defend your cargo". That the damage on the gun is lower, ok, i get that, for balance reasons. But also the firerate? There is no reason to nerf both.

[Mexicola9302]

sorry doublepost.

Edited August 2, 2018 by Mexicola9302

[Mexicola9302]

2 hours ago, Gaffa said:

Yeah griefing people with an unreleased vehicle is always good to watch.  

 

I suppose in defence, "it gives people an idea of how the B-11 is". 

Hehe i reported him.  

 

Sorry if this has been asked and answered already.

 

Can we have Lockon Rockets and Barrier Rockets at the same time, with the Bombs and the Explosive Minigun, and the Countermeasures. All of it at the same time?

Edited August 2, 2018 by Mexicola9302

[Silencer555]

Just thinking about the armament on the plane and it's general looks already makes this plane extremely intimidating to go against despite the nerfed cannon.

 

Imagine some dude trying to pick a fight against the B-11, only to see a hailstorm of rockets incoming and the roar of the cannon at the same time. Then the aircraft passes by with the sound of it's engines and some flares or chaff released as it turns back around.

 

At the very least, this is more of an intimidation aircraft than a straight up griefing one. Great dogfighter too.

[Cavot]

Situations like this really make me wish Rockstar would be more communicative to their community. Like at least some kind of reassurance that this would be looked into would be great. It pains me to see their lack of communication with their own community when it's not hard to do at all. Its known that Rockstar browses this forum. I just hope they see this.

Edited August 2, 2018 by Cavot

[Thomas The Dank Engine]

1 hour ago, Mexicola9302 said:

Hehe i reported him.  

 

Sorry if this has been asked and answered already.

 

Can we have Lockon Rockets and Barrier Rockets at the same time, with the Bombs and the Explosive Minigun, and the Countermeasures. All of it at the same time?

Yes.

[Happy Hunter]

16 minutes ago, Cavot said:

Situations like this really make me wish Rockstar would communicative to their community. Like at least some kind of reassurance that this would be looked into would be great. It pains me to see their lack of communication with their own community when it's not hard to do at all. Its known that Rockstar browses this forum. I just hope they see this.

Agree 100%. I don't want to depress people and make them panic with my videos. I don't want to hurt the B-11's sales if they make it right (as much as my little channel could do that anyway).

 

But there's no reassurance at all, so I have to just assume noise has to be made as much as possible or they won't do anything.

[lll-H-I-M-lll]

9 hours ago, MrARCO said:

 

Well, i'll still use the barrage option though.

 

Well, seems like the barrage at least is a valid option for infantry:

 

 

Thank you Maison George! His channel.

My hanger is waiting for its new resident 

[Happy Hunter]

Some of the comments on youtube are just ... Ugh. Like when someone says "That's because this is designed only for dogfighting hehehe, it's not meant to be good against the ground". I swear half the people don't even know what it's supposed to be.

 

Still, even if they don't, what part of this says it's not meant for attacking people on the ground and is only meant for dogfights?

 

"In these days of high payload drones and live-combat autopilot, the fine art of low altitude close air support is dying. But for those who still care about the personal touch, the B-11 Strikeforce is here to help you deliver. This masterpiece was built to walk one very fine line: high enough to dodge the rippling inferno of its own explosive cannon fire, but low enough to see the looks on their faces."

 

I mean, really?

 

Ugh. /Rant

 

Luckily most people weren't like that. Just pisses me off.

[xXxKAMIKAZExXx]

^ Can you blame them though? This game isn't the best for realistic aircraft. The Annihilator is better at destroying aircraft than ground targets, the Hydra has two sources of power that would make it impossible to take off vertically, the Bombushka is slower than the Blimp and the P-45 has homing missiles.

 

Still, I feel your pain. I remember when the Savage released and all the YouTubers were calling it an Apache. 

[Happy Hunter]

15 minutes ago, xXxKAMIKAZExXx said:

Still, I feel your pain. I remember when the Savage released and all the YouTubers were calling it an Apache. 

Oh that just disgusted me beyond belief.

[MeisterJazz]

The A10 is known for its main cannon and they decided to make its iconic weapon weak asf. Of all things..... but people get mad when we complain to for doing stupid sh*t like this.

[Commche]

Even if it were only meant for dogfights, that still works against making the cannon crap. I've gone up against great rogue pilots in my Hunter several times, and even with their dive bombing advantage I've consistently won the majority of fights. Because the cannons really do suck ass, never mind the usual rogue pilot who isn't going to be even that good. 

 

 

If my helicopter can eat a full strafe of explosive rounds and still have a working engine, Insurgent pickup and Avenger owners are going to shrug this thing off no problem. The rocket barrage will probably be a bigger concern, but even then, it has a tiny blast radius and you only get one salvo every strafe. Plus the plane moves slow below 1,000 feet, so ironically the close air support jet will be easiest to take down....closer to the ground. 

 

As a sidenote, it's funny how 4 years ago we got a vastly overpowered jet (relative to cost), and 4 years later the solution was to neuter a completely different, more expensive jet (well after many more anti-jet counters were released). 

Edited August 3, 2018 by Commche

[Gaffa]

I saw a few videos popping up comparing the damage to tanks and the likes... here's my own with the buffed cannon vs the Lazer. 

 

 

[Yellow Dog with Cone]

20 minutes ago, Gaffa said:

I saw a few videos popping up comparing the damage to tanks and the likes... here's my own with the buffed cannon vs the Lazer. 

 

 

Aren't Rhinos unnerfed in Single Player though?

 

Great vid regardless.

 

BTW, there's a chance you could make a vid changing the Hydra/Lazer cannons for the Rogue/Strikeforce ones but keeping the same rate of fire as the jets please?

 

Thanks in advance!

[Georgie GTA]

4 hours ago, Happy Hunter said:

Oh that just disgusted me beyond belief.

That made me laugh! 

[Thomas The Dank Engine]

Alright, this tuesday is maybe Strikeforce day. Fingers crossed.

 

Also i have mixed feelings about this one. If it's being held back, it might indicate that something is changing. We can only hope and pray

[Happy Hunter]

42 minutes ago, MrARCO said:

Alright, this tuesday is maybe Strikeforce day. Fingers crossed.

 

Also i have mixed feelings about this one. If it's being held back, it might indicate that something is changing. We can only hope and pray

Honestly, I no longer want it out ASAP like I did. Need time to get the word out on the cannon, so they might fix it. My video's got decent views for a channel my size - but I wish I could do more. It has got the ball rolling though - Pyrealm made one with 180K views, and some other big ones covered it. I just hope it's not too late.

[symphonight]

don't forget that there is some news liveries and basically car we already have to be available to purchase.. they are part of the dripfeed too.. so may we could juste have livery for the mamba or the coquette or the Futo by a week..

[Thomas The Dank Engine]

3 hours ago, symphonight said:

don't forget that there is some news liveries and basically car we already have to be available to purchase.. they are part of the dripfeed too.. so may we could juste have livery for the mamba or the coquette or the Futo by a week..

It's extremely rare for R* to release something twice from the same website after the same one is released. It's the same pattern for the last 2 updates wich is Southern San Andreas Super Autos / Legenday Motorsport / Warstock etc. It's never like: SSASA -> SSASA -> Warstock. 

Edited August 3, 2018 by MrARCO

[symphonight]

Yeah, but thoses "new" old vehicles are on SSASA and the Enus on legendary, so next week we could have a war stock one , or unfortunately (exept if it's the Futo that I want haha) a old car, and then next week the B-11 (even if I don't see the thing by having this plane during the DJ phase.. the guest list reward already give a lot of "new things"  I totally see the plane not coming before september but I hope I'm wrong!

[Georgie GTA]

On 8/1/2018 at 1:55 AM, Happy Hunter said:

It will be usable (and probably still quite useful) without its gun - missiles, barrage, bombs, can be used pretty effectively. I don't even see it so much as a balance thing though - just that it doesn't feel right at all for the gun to not be the gun.

 

I feel like if it's okay for people to get caught up with a car's tail light not looking as it should, then it's a fair complaint to make if they've killed the gun on this.

 

Lol in the video at 0:44, the guy's voice crack! 

19 hours ago, HARBUJAHN said:

My hanger is waiting for its new resident 

I have a question, is this guy using a mod? I didn't see it on the warstock website yesterday.