Reporting players with video

[Nutduster]

Simple how-to question and also wondering if this is worth bothering with.  I was in a session this morning and got into a fight with a few guys in a crew together.  One of them immediately started doing that thing where you fire up an orbital strike and insta-quit the session (or the game) to avoid paying for it as well as the cooldown.  Then he would rejoin his buddies and do it again.  After he got me twice I wised up and went into my facility; so instead he fired his third shot (within less than 15 minutes) at some guys doing Stand Your Ground, and quit out again. 

 

I gave up on the session right then, but saved an XB1 capture of the last incident of him blowing those guys up and quitting.  I wanted to send it in to Rockstar as a ticket, but I'm not sure how.  Do I need to save off the clip to my computer or can I just provide them a link to it on XBox Live somehow?  And second question, is this even worth my time?  Do they ever ban or bad sport players for doing stuff like this?  I had a little chat with one of his crew members after I left the lobby and he made it sound like they do that all the time and fear no reprisal from Rockstar, which I don't doubt, but I'd love to see them get some.

[StangOne50]

R does not care. They will tell you to use the ingame report system.

I once sent a vid of rank 8000 using stun gun on me and that guy still plays afaik lol

[Nutduster]

Just now, StangOne50 said:

R does not care. They will tell you to use the ingame report system.

I once sent a vid of rank 8000 using stun gun on me and that guy still plays afaik lol

 

LOL. Does not surprise me.

[ALifeOfMisery]

I don't know the ins and outs, Amy Vinewood reported someone shooting her inside her Facility, provided video of the guys livestream and I think he got banned.

 

Any time R* have asked me for a video I've uploaded an unlisted YouTube video and provided the link.

[Lonely-Martin]

As stang says, we get told to use the blatantly ignored/broken report system in a default message usually, lol. The only reporting I believe works is stuff to Sony direct, so not so much in-game crap, but the further insults and things are known to give communication bans and warnings at least. (I assume Xbox is as good here, but no experience.

 

Funnily enough, had one for simply telling someone to piss off. (Just an email warning saying another reported the message and they quoted me what I did. Fair play though). I'll give you all a moment to compose yourselves. ''KWF getting a warning, oh, lord'' lol. Na, just being silly, sorry.

 

All due respect here Nutduster. This and your last thread are just the things I and many have been regularly discussing in hope more gets fixed. Of course, much of my POV comes to this 'public only' change in direction (And some of those went to real pot too, but I do feel that in itself highlights much - With this much freedom, there's just so much interpretation, and with them giving a broken game - Well, here we are). I feel you've even popped by some of those threads and said the topic isn't one you wish to discuss, but also added your own POV's at times too. I don't mean to be deliberate here or look to offend you, nor bring up the 'public only' thing again. That's just a small part of the problems that plague this game.

 

That said, I value your imput on here very much, even if I disagree I always feel you offer fair views that consider so much of what others do/feel. So it is nice to see you embracing this, as I seriously feel change must come for this series to really reach it's full potential. Something that grows all the time, and I'd relish enjoying.

 

And again here, it's clear R* must be far more responsible for so much of the real sh*t that hampers this game in so any ways for good gamers, regardless of playstyle.

 

Apologies if you feel I stepped over the line here. My thoughts is all. Peace.

Edited July 19, 2018 by KWF1981

[Nutduster]

KWF - no offense taken, but this thread truly is just asking for some information.  Nothing more than that.  It's true that there are probably at least two issues here that could use fixing (the orbital bypass glitch, and the fact that there may not be a good way to punish a player who is doing it) - but really I just want to know if I can effectively report him without uploading the video somewhere, and then also if it's worth doing or if they're just going to close my ticket with an automatic reply.  If it's the latter, I won't waste my time.

[Lonely-Martin]

1 minute ago, Nutduster said:

KWF - no offense taken, but this thread truly is just asking for some information.  Nothing more than that.  It's true that there are probably at least two issues here that could use fixing (the orbital bypass glitch, and the fact that there may not be a good way to punish a player who is doing it) - but really I just want to know if I can effectively report him without uploading the video somewhere, and then also if it's worth doing or if they're just going to close my ticket with an automatic reply.  If it's the latter, I won't waste my time.

Thanks for that. Sorry to go OT there a bit. Literally must dash so must be brief, lol.

[Jenkiiii]

38 minutes ago, Nutduster said:

KWF - no offense taken, but this thread truly is just asking for some information.  Nothing more than that.  It's true that there are probably at least two issues here that could use fixing (the orbital bypass glitch, and the fact that there may not be a good way to punish a player who is doing it) - but really I just want to know if I can effectively report him without uploading the video somewhere, and then also if it's worth doing or if they're just going to close my ticket with an automatic reply.  If it's the latter, I won't waste my time.

 

Hey, Nutduster. You're asking if Rockstar are going to take you seriously before you submit the ticket, and is it worth your time, etc? We don't know because we don't work at Rockstar.

 

In my experience, take it or leave it, the best way of getting heard is to voice your complaint seriously, calmly and with all the factual details, including video links and other information. Rockstar may choose to ignore it at first and dump it down the queue, but they will get to it eventually if you're mature and professional about you're approach. Whether it's worth it, that's up to you.

 

Edited July 19, 2018 by Jenkiiii

[Nutduster]

1 hour ago, Jenkiiii said:

 

Hey, Nutduster. You're asking if Rockstar are going to take you seriously before you submit the ticket, and is it worth your time, etc? We don't know because we don't work at Rockstar.

 

 

I'm basically asking if anyone has reported a player in this way and what kind of response they got: none, an auto-reply and case closure, or an actual human being on the other end asking follow-up questions indicating they might actually do something.

[am30]

4 hours ago, Nutduster said:

Simple how-to question and also wondering if this is worth bothering with.  I was in a session this morning and got into a fight with a few guys in a crew together.  One of them immediately started doing that thing where you fire up an orbital strike and insta-quit the session (or the game) to avoid paying for it as well as the cooldown.  Then he would rejoin his buddies and do it again.  After he got me twice I wised up and went into my facility; so instead he fired his third shot (within less than 15 minutes) at some guys doing Stand Your Ground, and quit out again. 

 

 

I wouldn't waste your time but thanks for the tip. 

 

I would just forget about it and move on.  Rockstar ignores players who have either benefitted from or are breaking the game in some way so I would suspect there is next to no chance of them doing something against a player who is just quitting the game before it saves and starting it back up again.

[AtmaDarkwolf]

thing is, rockstar won't even accept the actual ingame made videos, they demand you record (Usually with a cellphone which i find absolutely f*cking stupid, not only cuz of quality of a video of a monitor is garbage, but you need 3 or 4 hands to hold the stupid phone steady while you play...)

 

I gave up trying to 'grant' them this and have demanded they just do it themselves (IE even if just a minor bug report aka, weapons wheel missing weapons, etc) but they have denied reports I've made using the ingame video system (recording) cuz it hides ui (I mean they can SEE who sent them the video, SEE that it was recorded during MY GAMING time on MY account, yet say because they can't see my gamertag, of which PC users do not have, it can't be 'verified') and they refuse recordings done with fraps, shadowplay, etc, because they claim that's a 'third party client and therefore cannot be verified' ... Yet they still demand stupid mobile made recordings of the monitor.

 

I really think the 'reporting system' rockstar has is setup in such a way, including the 'responses' by support, is done so that no report has a snowballs chance in hell of actually being 'considered'

[Ice_cold2016]

I've tested the report system with a couple of friends. We first tried reporting under age kids as young as just 8yrs old. We allowed kids aged 8 to 15 to add us as friends. Then we reported them via the in game feature tons of times over a 6 month period. We clicked, report, other, then typed in that they were just 8yrs old etc. And guess what? Those kids are still playing GTA. Rockstar did nothing. But we knew they wouldn't as GTA Online is designed to cash in on kids, as sick as that is, its true. So we tried support tickets. We even had webcam and voice proof of kids saying they were indeed just 8 to 15yrs old. Rockstar support just fobbed us off with "Report via the in game feature" and didn't give a single fu*k. All those kids are still playing the game.

 

Also tried reporting glitchers and had mixed results. I think its if over 4 or 5 people in the same session report someone via the in-game report tool, that person will get a warning pop up saying they are being monitored for cheating and to behave. I think it's just a bullsh*t scare tactic warning though, a false threat. 

 

Tried sending in pics and vids, upload the vids to YouTube and send them the link in a support ticket. Not sure if some of these people were banned or suspended or not though, but they said they would deal with it or told us the bog standard "report via in game report tool" You can also send tweets to Rockstar Support. 

 

Here's the thing. When i, a male, make reports, Rockstar doesn't treat males equally as when a female reports. Because when my girlrfriend reports she get's better results, even if it's me sending in the report ticket in her name. It seems if you own a vagina you will have better results. And Rockstar support seems to be 50/50 male female. Perhaps get a sex change then make the report?

 

I have however had great success getting money back when the game has glitched and lost me money. I've opened about 12 cases and sent video proof in showing how the game glitched and lost me money, and Rockstar has given me the money i lost.

 

Sony are the ones who take stuff very seriously. But Sonys report system is flawed. Say for example, if you look at someones profile and they have swearing on it or a rude picture or whatever, if you report it Sony will look at the report and get back to you within 10 minutes with a solution and thank you for keeping PSN a clean, friendly place. They remove the offensive content then warn the reported user. But the problem is even though Sony give you the option to report in game behaviour, when you click it it just tells you to use the in game report tools. But you could i suppose contact Sony online and send in video proof. No idea for Xbox though, don't use my XOX much. You can easily get people suspended and banned via PSN messages. If someone messages you crap on that Sony are pretty swift and firm on spanking them. I like that about Sony.

 

Personally i have a firm but fair standpoint. If you cheat or glitch, whatever, its straight to prison for 50yrs. With no phonecalls. No gaming either just basic amenities, bed, toilet and sink. With 3 square meals a day consisting of porridge, lentils and goulash.

Edited July 19, 2018 by Ice_cold2016
Coz i can.

[Lonely-Martin]

^ That first paragraph show it's players like you that should be reported/removed, lol.

 

And the last one is clearly just bait. Prison for cheating a game? Behave!

[Ice_cold2016]

8 hours ago, KWF1981 said:

^ That first paragraph show it's players like you that should be reported/removed, lol.

 

And the last one is clearly just bait. Prison for cheating a game? Behave!

Why? For tricking Rockstar and proving they exploit kids for financial gain. You could go to the media with evidence like that. They would have a field day with ammo like that.

 

As for the last bit. Bait? It's called a joke, having a laugh.  If anyone bit at that then my word they would have to be seriously stoopid. (Ironic joke there)

 

They should be suspended or banned. Seeing as i can't punch them in head through a screen.

[S1ster P1stol]

I've put in enough tickets complaining that I haven't received money or cars mysteriously disappearing to know that when you initially write out the ticket, there is an option to directly provide evidence without them asking. As for reporting.....they don't really care. That system is a joke, they only seem to care for harmless clothing and money glitches, or modding. I've reported enough people that were blatantly cheating or griefing or people who probably have an actual life and just want to have some fun. R* doesn't care about their fanbase. But sometimes they will do something about exploits. I would still report just to give it shot.

[SPECTER II]

The general consensus seems to be that Rockstar doesn't do much for reports. I've reported people to Xbox for serious things before and they've always taken action. Idk about game exploits since it requires video, but maybe you can try reporting to Xbox instead of Rockstar. I've gotten people punished by reporting petty profanity, and probably the swiftest action was when I got a death threat after the person linked me to my Facebook. 

[smurfynz]

If you make it clear in the report that this is a money exploit, it is more likely to get traction. While is isn't technically gaining the offender in-game money, it is allowing them to repeatedly utilize an intended money-sink function for free, so you would only be bending the truth slightly.

 

But otherwise, yeah, I've given up reporting. Right back from day dot with the unsolicited money sharing nonsense, it's been a waste of time. They won't tell you what action was taken but checking back the few with public Social Club account proved that their "enjoyment" of their game never gets disrupted. I think I did see one end up in bad sport, but that was probably automated through his actions, rather than from my report.

[oleg_aka_djmeg]

i reported cheaters with undisputable video evidence, support told me they're gonna sort that out and those people haven't been banned, what else is new.

[thepiebaker]

17 hours ago, Nutduster said:

Simple how-to question and also wondering if this is worth bothering with.  I was in a session this morning and got into a fight with a few guys in a crew together.  One of them immediately started doing that thing where you fire up an orbital strike and insta-quit the session (or the game) to avoid paying for it as well as the cooldown.  Then he would rejoin his buddies and do it again.  After he got me twice I wised up and went into my facility; so instead he fired his third shot (within less than 15 minutes) at some guys doing Stand Your Ground, and quit out again. 

 

I gave up on the session right then, but saved an XB1 capture of the last incident of him blowing those guys up and quitting.  I wanted to send it in to Rockstar as a ticket, but I'm not sure how.  Do I need to save off the clip to my computer or can I just provide them a link to it on XBox Live somehow?  And second question, is this even worth my time?  Do they ever ban or bad sport players for doing stuff like this?  I had a little chat with one of his crew members after I left the lobby and he made it sound like they do that all the time and fear no reprisal from Rockstar, which I don't doubt, but I'd love to see them get some.

Report to xbox live.

R* doesn't give a flying hellicarrier about cheaters. According to PC they support cheating and ban legit players.

 

Xbox live however does respond to your reports. They will tell you when/if they enact their disciplinary measures but won't tell you further details. 

[Happy Hunter]

11 hours ago, Ice_cold2016 said:

Then we reported them via the in game feature tons of times over a 6 month period.

 

11 hours ago, Ice_cold2016 said:

Here's the thing. When i, a male, make reports, Rockstar doesn't treat males equally as when a female reports. Because when my girlrfriend reports she get's better results, even if it's me sending in the report ticket in her name. It seems if you own a vagina you will have better results. And Rockstar support seems to be 50/50 male female. Perhaps get a sex change then make the report?

 

Might just be the girl comes off as friendlier, less of a chip on her shoulder?

[PetrolCB]

12 hours ago, Ice_cold2016 said:

-snip-

So, the gist of your massive rant is that you like to prey on children and that you want people who glitch in a video game to go to prison. Yes? 

 

Oh, and I feel sorry for your “girlfriend”. Kudos to her for putting up with your psychopathic ass, if she actually exists. 

 

Even Blasterman wouldn’t say what you have. And that’s saying something. 

[Lonely-Martin]

4 hours ago, Ice_cold2016 said:

Why? For tricking Rockstar and proving they exploit kids for financial gain. You could go to the media with evidence like that. They would have a field day with ammo like that.

 

As for the last bit. Bait? It's called a joke, having a laugh.  If anyone bit at that then my word they would have to be seriously stoopid. (Ironic joke there)

 

They should be suspended or banned. Seeing as i can't punch them in head through a screen.

Ahh, we've had folk here with a keen desire to have stooped stuff like what you joke over happen here, well played in smoothing over that crack though, lol.

 

But really, there are far better, and clearly more productive ways to highlight what you suggest, lol. What you did is just pathetic and weak. But luckily in this instance, R* rightfully ignored your stoopid behaviour. And you've probably, hopefully too, flagged yourself as a persistent abuser of that system so they'll not read a single report from you, lol. Only helps break the system with your abuse of it.

 

As I said, productive, lol.

[Nutduster]

3 hours ago, PetrolCB said:

So, the gist of your massive rant is that you like to prey on children and that you want people who glitch in a video game to go to prison. Yes? 

 

Oh, and I feel sorry for your “girlfriend”. Kudos to her for putting up with your psychopathic ass, if she actually exists. 

 

Even Blasterman wouldn’t say what you have. And that’s saying something. 

 

For what it's worth, it seems obvious that he was kidding about the prison part (and he confirmed as much in a later post). Blasterman would say that and probably mean it.

 

The multiple reports of kids over months thing... that's a little crazy. I don't like playing with squeakers either and don't think kids under 10 or so should be on this game, but I'm not going to bother trying to get Rockstar to ban them. Important to remember that we're not their parents.

[Ice_cold2016]

6 hours ago, Happy Hunter said:

 

Might just be the girl comes off as friendlier, less of a chip on her shoulder?

Did you not read? It is ME reporting in my girlfriends name. What i write is no different, infact copy and paste. So nothing to do with that.

 

As for the reason for reporting the kids. It was to test Rockstar and the whole report system. It wasn't like we reported them every single day. We allowed them to add us then whenever we were online we would simply report. Rockstar would even say they would ban them, even agreed that they shouldn't be on the game, but they never did ban a single one of them. Why? Because GTA Online is designed to exploit kids for financial gain. Kids all over the world are racking up microtransactions on their parents credit cards and ole Rocky is more than happy to take it. Now that IS crazy.

Edited July 20, 2018 by Ice_cold2016

[Lonely-Martin]

7 hours ago, SPECTER II said:

The general consensus seems to be that Rockstar doesn't do much for reports. I've reported people to Xbox for serious things before and they've always taken action. Idk about game exploits since it requires video, but maybe you can try reporting to Xbox instead of Rockstar. I've gotten people punished by reporting petty profanity, and probably the swiftest action was when I got a death threat after the person linked me to my Facebook. 

Oh without doubt, Sony/Microsoft take that sh*t a hell of a lot more seriously. Images too. Bad times, won't go there though.

 

1 hour ago, Nutduster said:

For what it's worth, it seems obvious that he was kidding about the prison part (and he confirmed as much in a later post). Blasterman would say that and probably mean it.

 

The multiple reports of kids over months thing... that's a little crazy. I don't like playing with squeakers either and don't think kids under 10 or so should be on this game, but I'm not going to bother trying to get Rockstar to ban them. Important to remember that we're not their parents.

Totally resect that. And yeah, thought he was pulling a Tom Cruise guise, lol.

[Ice_cold2016]

5 hours ago, KWF1981 said:

Ahh, we've had folk here with a keen desire to have stooped stuff like what you joke over happen here, well played in smoothing over that crack though, lol.

 

But really, there are far better, and clearly more productive ways to highlight what you suggest, lol. What you did is just pathetic and weak. But luckily in this instance, R* rightfully ignored your stoopid behaviour. And you've probably, hopefully too, flagged yourself as a persistent abuser of that system so they'll not read a single report from you, lol. Only helps break the system with your abuse of it.

 

As I said, productive, lol.

Nope. They replied to every single report. Some reply with a bog standard "report via the in game tool" others would take the time to reply properly. Several even showed general concern that kids that age are on GTA, agreed they shouldn't be there, and said they would ban them. But they never did for obvious reasons explained above. It's called being smart. If you ever wanted to expose them the media would lap information like that up in a heart beat. You know how the media love to get stories on GTA. Exposing kids for financial gain and allowing them to play games of this nature in the first place......

[Lonely-Martin]

20 minutes ago, Ice_cold2016 said:

Why? Because GTA Online is designed to exploit kids for financial gain. Kids all over the world are racking up microtransactions on their parents credit cards and ole Rocky is more than happy to take it.

I believe it's the parents/guardians that hold the key to children being exploited too. Don't get me wrong, I agree these practices exist and i's a real shame to see some get so caught up in these things. But they wouldn't if parents were just that, parents, first.

7 minutes ago, Ice_cold2016 said:

Nope. They replied to every single report. Some reply with a bog standard "report via the in game tool" others would take the time to reply properly. Several even showed general concern that kids that age are on GTA, agreed they shouldn't be there, and said they would ban them. But they never did for obvious reasons explained above. It's called being smart. If you ever wanted to expose them the media would lap information like that up in a heart beat. You know how the media love to get stories on GTA. Exposing kids for financial gain and allowing them to play games of this nature in the first place......

Some will question kids being here, it's GTA. It's been like that for 20 years now, lol. And I do believe too that the guys reading reports and such for R** are just choosing weather to respond or drop an automated message, partly based off their guidelines, but possibly based on merit/empathy if one can make a case fairly etc. I genuinely don't know, lol. But when talking GTA/kids, it will always split opinion. And a busybody behind a computers opinion is not a R* one, lol.

 

Like you said, there's practices to exploit kids. Including making GTA:O trailers accessible on YouTube without age restrictions, lol. Now that's R* advertising to all ages, no?

 

Seems they want kids. Parents need to know what their kids want, and take responsibility to be sure it is suitable and those kids are safe from potential further exploitation.

 

My thoughts.

Edited July 20, 2018 by KWF1981

[Ice_cold2016]

1 hour ago, KWF1981 said:

I believe it's the parents/guardians that hold the key to children being exploited too. Don't get me wrong, I agree these practices exist and i's a real shame to see some get so caught up in these things. But they wouldn't if parents were just that, parents, first.

Oh yeah, obviously. Bad parenting plays a role. But when Rockstar openly agree via email that kids as young as 8 shouldn't be there and say they will ban them and then don't because it eats into profits, that's pretty sick.

[Lonely-Martin]

4 minutes ago, Ice_cold2016 said:

Oh yeah, obviously. Bad parenting plays a role. But when Rockstar openly agree via email that kids as young as 8 shouldn't be there and say they will ban them and then don't because it eats into profits, that's pretty sick.

That's just it, those are just opinions of outsourced employees, not R* themselves.

 

To add, it's actually not that it's children that you acted this way that see's me question you here on it. It's players in general. The reporting system is so flawed and that's because of players abusing it like you in some attempt to test the system. I don't get that logic. Why?

 

Just report them, and move on. If R* did the system any justice, they'd take appropriate action. If they are proving, like they are with just how 'automated' everything is - To the point of false bans/wipes on PC. Then the pressure is on us to look to put the pressure on them to address this crap. But no, vote kicking too, and sore losers, all contribute to this games worst moments. And those just grow and grow here. 

 

Of course, as you said, developers are exploiting things to easily now too. And clearly, this is where R* are exploiting all of us. Insurance and BS points on current gen clearly show this now. (They removed them on PC, halved the cost on console - They know, lol).

 

* Just caught you recent post as typing, lol. I believe we agree on much with regards to GTA:O/Other potential gaming issues. And I certainly agree that Fortnite being more kid friendly helps show just how easy a market for exploitation there is. The good of a game like that though in attracting younger players to areas that, hopefully will prove safer in future. Is that GTA can continue to thrive as an adult game. As much as I let my lad play, and do feel some kids can handle this game in it's many areas, it's not for all. 

 

And I want that to long remain. Peace out.

Edited July 20, 2018 by KWF1981

[Ice_cold2016]

57 minutes ago, KWF1981 said:

That's just it, those are just opinions of outsourced employees, not R* themselves.

Yeah, which shows Rockstar and Take Two enforce these practices. You can just tell that anyway by what the game has become. It's obviously catered more towards kids than adults. What we did with our reports just confirms it. They want as much cash as possible and they know kids are the ones with the most time to game and stats show they buy microtransactions on their parents cards etc. Fortnite is another one at it. But atleast Fortnite is more kiddy content. No canabalism etc in Fortnite.

5 hours ago, PetrolCB said:

So, the gist of your massive rant is that you like to prey on children and that you want people who glitch in a video game to go to prison. Yes? 

 

Oh, and I feel sorry for your “girlfriend”. Kudos to her for putting up with your psychopathic ass, if she actually exists. 

 

Even Blasterman wouldn’t say what you have. And that’s saying something. 

No. You couldn't be more wrong. No point explaining to you as you will never get it i don't think. To take my prison thing seriously to begin with, well lol.