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Rhoda

Controversial Music Opinions

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Rhoda

Hold on to your hats for more.

 

  • I think Dark Side Of The Moon has contributed towards people's animosity towards Pink Floyd.
  • Sparks is a better pop outfit than Queen.
  • If a band replaces their lead singer for whatever reason, they shouldn't be able to continue using the old name. Like it or not, if a band has a vocalist, they're the "voice" of the group and they shouldn't be considered the same band in the event of losing their singer.
  • Kenny G is a good musician.
  • The Beatles' best album is The White Album.
  • Billie Eilish is not an industry plant, but she is as dull as dishwater.
  • Tom Waits is better than Bob Dylan.
  • As much as I like the band, Tool should never made another album because it was never going to top 10,000 Days.
  • Kylie Minogue is one of the best pop singers of our time.
  • Country music is great.

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Guest Billy Russo

I kinda' like cheesy love songs. Don't ask me why. You know, like this:

 

 

 

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Motorik

This opinion might not be controversial, but I need to spit it out. Both Black Sabbath with Ozzy and with Dio are amazing. I don't understand why people fight for which is better (Ozzy era is better, but you know what I mean), when they can enjoy both. That being said, I think Sabbath with Dio is really underrated. Even if Heaven and Hell and Mob Rules are considered great metal classics, I feel that they don't get the recognition they deserve.

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spectre07
6 hours ago, Motorik said:

This opinion might not be controversial, but I need to spit it out. Both Black Sabbath with Ozzy and with Dio are amazing. I don't understand why people fight for which is better (Ozzy era is better, but you know what I mean), when they can enjoy both. That being said, I think Sabbath with Dio is really underrated. Even if Heaven and Hell and Mob Rules are considered great metal classics, I feel that they don't get the recognition they deserve.

Tony Martin has one hell of a voice too.

Edited by FearThoseWhoFearHim

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Motorik

I don't like Tony Martin. The Sabbath albums with him sound like a bad copy of the Dio era. I haven't listened too much of these albums, but I didn't like what I listened.

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Mr. Galloway

Bob Dylan's OG of All Along the Watchtower is better than Hendrix's cover.

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Conici
On 9/9/2019 at 5:34 AM, Rhoda said:

Hold on to your hats for more.

 

  • I think Dark Side Of The Moon has contributed towards people's animosity towards Pink Floyd.
  • Sparks is a better pop outfit than Queen.
  • If a band replaces their lead singer for whatever reason, they shouldn't be able to continue using the old name. Like it or not, if a band has a vocalist, they're the "voice" of the group and they shouldn't be considered the same band in the event of losing their singer.
  • Kenny G is a good musician.
  • The Beatles' best album is The White Album.
  • Billie Eilish is not an industry plant, but she is as dull as dishwater.
  • Tom Waits is better than Bob Dylan.
  • As much as I like the band, Tool should never made another album because it was never going to top 10,000 Days.
  • Kylie Minogue is one of the best pop singers of our time.
  • Country music is great.

These are fantastic opinions, king. 

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Guest Billy Russo

Not sure if it's 'controversial' but I think Video Game OST and Movie Soundtracks are the best type of music. I listen to it more than anything else, and it evokes way more emotion and feelings out of me. I think all the work that goes in to those is incredibly underrated, and often gets overlooked at times, especially if the Movie/Video Game gets bad reviews. No one ever considers the music as a separate entity to review, when it totally is deserving.

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Rhoda

For what they're intended for, video game soundtracks are perfect. They're composed as companion pieces, serving to add to the experience of playing without being intrusive or distracting. Anything too busy would be distracting. I remember reading a book in the 33 1/3rd series dedicated to Koji Kondo's Super Mario Brothers score and the efforts he went into when programming memorable music for such a landmark game. I can heartedly recommend any of the books from that series, written by different authors about albums spanning a multitude of genres.

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Duhillestpunk

I believe the Rolling Stones are better than the Beatles.

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DownInTheHole
9 hours ago, Duhillestpunk said:

I believe the Rolling Stones are better than the Beatles.

not controversial, i think so too

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Guest Billy Russo
On 10/21/2019 at 2:30 AM, Duhillestpunk said:

I believe the Rolling Stones are better than the Beatles.

100% agree. I really have never understood The Beatles appeal all that much, but I know I'm in the minority. There is a few songs I definitely like, but I never go out of my way to listen to them.

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spectre07

I feel odd when the singer of a band say each title of each song in concert.

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Duhillestpunk

Nirvana isn’t a punk band and Kurt Cobain is extremely overrated.

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sivispacem
20 hours ago, Duhillestpunk said:

Nirvana isn’t a punk band

Is that an opinion? Do people actually, seriously think Nirvana was punk? They were barely even punk-influenced. 

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Duhillestpunk
50 minutes ago, sivispacem said:

Is that an opinion? Do people actually, seriously think Nirvana was punk? They were barely even punk-influenced. 

You’d have no idea dude. Hell even Kurt considered them that. Now look I’m not gonna tell somebody what’s punk and what’s not but believe me they WERE NOT a Punk band. Sure they had punk influences but they weren’t punk themselves.

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spectre07

Nirvana had Punk Rock and Metal influences (especially Grohl) but the term "Grunge" was more accurate to not be classified in one genre.

 

Nirvana is just a rock band for me.

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Duhillestpunk
On 10/27/2019 at 6:37 PM, spectre07 said:

Nirvana had Punk Rock and Metal influences (especially Grohl) but the term "Grunge" was more accurate to not be classified in one genre.

 

Nirvana is just a rock band for me.

Did you read what my post said?

Edited by Duhillestpunk

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spectre07

Nirvana had some Punk attitude which is different if we talk musically.

 

Maybe Kurt was referring to the attitude, just as Avril Lavigne and Green Day had a punk attitude, but musically they were a mix of different genres including Punk Rock.

Edited by spectre07

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Duhillestpunk
41 minutes ago, spectre07 said:

Nirvana had some Punk attitude which is different if we talk musically.

 

Maybe Kurt was referring to the attitude, just as Avril Lavigne and Green Day had a punk attitude, but musically they were a mix of different genres including Punk Rock.

According to one interview, he claimed they were a punk band. No doubt they had attitude but that doesn’t make them punk. Do some research before contributing to a discussion thanks.

Edited by Duhillestpunk

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DownInTheHole

I'm not a fan of modern alternative rock personally, it's all the same blues rock crap to me, with everyone trying to sound like Dan Auerbach,  Alan Vega or Zeppelin.

 

Not surprised that R&B and rap is gaining more traction because of this, more gems and progression in those genres compared to the former imo.

Edited by DownInTheHole

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spectre07
5 hours ago, DownInTheHole said:

I'm not a fan of modern alternative rock personally, it's all the same blues rock crap to me, with everyone trying to sound like Dan Auerbach,  Alan Vega or Zeppelin.

I think there might be something more going on here that you perhaps you haven't considered.

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DownInTheHole
5 minutes ago, spectre07 said:

I think there might be something more going on here that you perhaps you haven't considered.

i dont get what you mean by that statement

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Rhoda

I think they're trying to say that many of the rock bands are vying for the styles of those particular musicians or bands, but the Dan Auerbach comparison is unusual. He's far from the first solo guitarist to shoot for this easy listening with a touch of blues, and in my opinion his independent music is far worse than anything he's done as part of The Black Keys. An obvious contender for this is the now infamous Greta Van Fleet who sound to be almost complete rip-offs of Led Zeppelin. I can't comment on Alan Vega because I've never heard of them.

 

I had a music opinion but I've forgotten it, so it can't have been that spicy.

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DownInTheHole
8 hours ago, Rhoda said:

He's far from the first solo guitarist to shoot for this easy listening with a touch of blues

Yeah but that doesn't stop him from popularizing the style, honestly. There's just so many bands out there that follow a similar aesthetic to not just the Black Keys, but 2000s post-punk revival stuff with the same old blues progression and rusty vocals common to those genres, without bringing anything special to the table.

 

It's stagnating the genre, and honestly, it's boring to listen to. It's the kinda stuff that gets played in an action scene on some Netflix show, and people just forget about it after that.

 

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I can't comment on Alan Vega because I've never heard of them.

He's the lead vocalist of the electronic protopunk band Suicide (known for their track Ghost Rider). He's known for his trippy, echo-ish vocals which I believe has influenced the vocal styles of lot of darkwave/neo-psychedelia bands right now (though I'm guessing he was also influenced himself by the earlier Velvet Underground). While I think these two genres are better than alt rock at the moment my point still stands. Rock just isn't that interesting at the moment, and it's only a matter of time before someone with a wacky, yet commercially pleasing rock style revolutionizes the genre again.

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spectre07
9 hours ago, DownInTheHole said:

 2000s post-punk revival stuff with the same old blues progression and rusty vocals common to those genres, without bringing anything special to the table.

 

I think is it depends too of the persona, bands like Ghost is very obvious how they grabbed the old sound but for others is something original and new.

Edited by spectre07

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DownInTheHole
On 10/28/2019 at 4:34 AM, sivispacem said:

Is that an opinion? Do people actually, seriously think Nirvana was punk? They were barely even punk-influenced. 

They were, actually.

 

Kurt said himself that Nirvana owes a lot of their sound to Husker Du and the Melvins, which I'm pretty sure were, or at least started out as, hardcore punk bands.

 

Hell, the entire grunge movement began as an offshoot of West Coast punk, with lots of early bands covering or trying to emulate the sound of punk bands like Black Flag.

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Mister Pink
On 10/26/2019 at 10:12 PM, Duhillestpunk said:

Nirvana isn’t a punk band and Kurt Cobain is extremely overrated.

If anything Kurt Cobain described Nirvana as a cross between Cheap Trick and The Beatles. 

 

They may be comparable to Punk in the sense that Grunge came out as a sort of response to that west-coast hair metal that dominated the 80's - just like how Sex Pistols were response to dinosaur rock acts like Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin - long guitar solos, and a sort of music elitism and class-ism. And I'd agree with that assessment.  If rock music was going all Van Halen and Whitesnake, here's grunge, a post punk answer to excessive guitar solos, hair spray etc and he's some greasy, moody teenagers making 3-chord rock music in their garage, shunning the mainstream. 

 

So, I don't think you are wrong exactly. I don't think when describing Nirvana as punk people are saying their music is punk as in sounding like Black Flag or Sex Pistols but that the band int he context of rock music at the time were ideologically and to a much lesser extent musically (but loosely) punk. 

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sivispacem
On 10/30/2019 at 8:45 AM, DownInTheHole said:

Kurt said himself that Nirvana owes a lot of their sound to Husker Du and the Melvins, which I'm pretty sure were, or at least started out as, hardcore punk bands.

In respect of artistic aesthetic and attitude to the music industry sure, but I don't think the earlier/punkier output of either Hüsker Dü or the Melvin's are that evident in Nirvana's sound, even their earliest releases. There's a fair bit of early sludge/proto-sludge though. Think My War's B-side.

 

On 10/30/2019 at 8:45 AM, DownInTheHole said:

emulate the sound of punk bands like Black Flag.

The wider Grunge movement I've always felt aligned closer with the "next steps" beyond hardcore punk taken by bands like Black Flag (My War/Family Man/Slip it In era, rather than Damaged), Melvins and even Big Black than more "traditional" punk or eighties hardcore.

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Duhillestpunk

Kendrick Lamar is extremely overrated and his music sucks. It’s controversial because everyone and I mean EVERYONE on earth loves him. Not me though.

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