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Rhoda

Controversial Music Opinions

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Rhoda

If listening to music isn't the best thing to do, talking about it certainly is. We love to talk about our own taste, and it can be a bitter pill to swallow when somebody not only disagrees, but gets quite uppity about it. Nobody likes a snob.

 

That being said, we don't often get an outlet to talk about what we don't like. We are often asked what our favourite song is, or who our favourite bands/artists are. We don't get asked about controversial opinions, and to me there's little that opens the conversational floodgates more than a juicy morsel. If somebody says their favourite album is Rumours by Fleetwood Mac, we barely turn our heads. Big deal. However, if you say they aren't even a very good band, all of a sudden you've got a mob of angry people rushing towards and can't wait to correct you and/or burn your house down.

 

I'm not saying I want that. In fact, shaming will not be tolerated. Instead, I want you to share your controversial opinions in a tasteful, considerate manner. Disagree all you want, but don't get your fanny out over it.

 

Here's a few of mine to get the ball rolling, and to show you what I mean. If something doesn't stir within you after reading these, share your own:

 

1. Beyonce is one of the least innovative and interesting artists of recent history. Her singing is subpar and often painful to listen to. She is considered a deity in music and I don't see why.

2. Yoko Ono had a better solo career than any of The Beatles did.

3. Album artwork is crucial in my enjoyment of music. If I don't like the cover, I will not like the music.

4. U2 is not a significant band by any means of the word, and I am in constant shock that they are as successful as they are.

5. Weird Al Yankovic is a good singer, good accordion player and even a great rapper, but he is not funny.

6. Jungle is one of the most innovative musical genres ever conceived.

7. I don't care for "singles bands". If you want an example, The Rolling Stones is a singles band. To me, they have not made a consistently good album. The same goes for greatest hits, which is a nice enough catalogue but it completely ruins any consistency.

8. Generally, EPs are often more interesting than albums.

9. Generic "rock" bores me to tears. Bands and artists like Bon Jovi, Bruce Springsteen, Aerosmith and Def Leppard are a waste of recording time.

10. I hate it when a song fades out. I understand the psychological reasoning, but I find it takes me out of the song.

 

Go for it.

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Femme Fatale

I don't care what the so-called critics say, Lulu is a fantastic album. What a lot of people failed to understand is that it's a Lou Reed album, not a Metallica album. Fans of the latter are what make up the majority of Lulu's haters.

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spectre07

I always say something "classic" don't means good, is a cliche word many old bands now take after a long hiatus, but in the old days they were ignored and slapped by the media or press.

 

Like Pantera and Anthrax are boring bands to me.

 

I don't think Dimebag is a "God", there are many guitarists slap this guy into the floor and he is overrated to me.

 

Cliff Burton is a good bassist, but nothing impressive like everybody say.

 

Calling itself "metalhead" or "rocker" is so dumb, musical tags are stupid.

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Doctor Holliday
On 7/13/2018 at 11:15 AM, ∴ said:

3. Album artwork is crucial in my enjoyment of music. If I don't like the cover, I will not like the music.

Ok, this makes no logical sense.

If you're only blind, why do you also have to pretend to be deaf? I've never heard a more ridiculous and shallow explanation for not liking music in my life :lol: and I've heard a lot of dumb drunk girls rambling about music in night clubs...

 

Otherwise you haven't really said anything controversial. But number 3 is just ignorant.

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Blondie

When you compare her to her peers, Lady Gaga is one of the most talented, versatile mainstream pop artists of this century. And when you search on Google “New Queen of Pop” who comes up? Yes, Lady Gaga ;)

 

Lady Gaga isn’t the person who’s receiving hundreds of songs like Rihanna who chooses like 10 songs for her new album. She’s not like Katy Perry who can barely sing, dance and has to read her own lyrics from the ground. She’s very creative. She can sing really well. And she’s a great dancer, when it comes to singing definitely not at 1990’s Mariah Carey’s level but her skills are better than the other pop girls of this century.

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Rhoda
3 hours ago, Doctor Holliday said:

Ok, this makes no logical sense.

If you're only blind, why do you also have to pretend to be deaf? I've never heard a more ridiculous and shallow explanation for not liking music in my life :lol: and I've heard a lot of dumb drunk girls rambling about music in night clubs...

 

Otherwise you haven't really said anything controversial. But number 3 is just ignorant.

Probably, but to me an album is everything - it is the artwork that is chosen to represent the music, and the music is often a good reflection of the image you're being shown. I don't feel like I'm missing out.

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Evil empire

I never understood how some persons can love Justin Timberlake's "Sexy back". That........................thing is one of the most repetitive and boring "songs" I've ever heard in my life. That sonorous slop is just a piece of junky rubbish garbage crap ready for the junkyard.

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///ƒ

the beatles are overrated, their music and lyrics are below average at best.

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DEALUX

Beyonce is mostly just embraced and praised by leftists for her political views. She's not a very good singer. She's pretty average as far as pop singers go.

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Andreaz1

1. "Despacito" - just the name makes me shudder - is the worst thing that has ever been conceived on this planet and I hate it more than words can begin to describe.

 

2. Ed Sheeran is the Despacito of artists. I do not and I doubt I ever will understand people's fascination with him. To me all of his songs sound the same - whiney, generic and unoriginal guitar plinkering love stories with a voice that wouldn't rustle a dried up autumn leaf.

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DEALUX

I hated that song initially but then I put it on headphones as a joke and I actually liked it. The mixing (especially on the bass and vocals) is top notch. I stopped hating it after that.

 

Edit: The Bieber "remix" sucks dog turds. I'm talking about the original, which is actually kinda good. It's really only bad because it got so overplayed.

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Femme Fatale

The Velvet Underground>The Beatles

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Rhoda

Despacito is only considered bad because it ventures into the overplayed territory. It's this year's Uptown Funk and there's nothing wrong with that. It's well produced, catchy as warts, and doesn't take itself too seriously. It's a well engineered piece of pop music that gets crapped on because of its meme status at this point. I quite like it as a song. I wouldn't go so far as to play it by choice but if it was to come on I wouldn't necessarily turn it off.

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blaze

the new style of dnb/ "jump up" as popularized by macky gee, sasasas etc is f*cking wank.

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Mister Pink

I have to disagree with number 4. :D 😛 And this might be controversial.

 

I'm just want to shed some light on why people like U2 or why they're at least as big as they are. Not even the biggest fan but I know a good bit about them. I think part of their success is releasing 8 albums in about 12 years which is roughly about an album every 1.5 years which is just a phenomenal work rate. They're probably one the most hard working bands out there. But it's not just content. They changed their style so many times. Long-winded post but I try keep in intetresting with some trivia!

 

I think U2 are quite significant pre- year 2000 anyway. Their albums often heavily conceptual and the sound, although uniquely U2 changes dramatically from album to album. I think that is the appeal to lovers of rock music. If you listen to their debut album Boy (1980), it's mostly post-punk and produced by legendary Steve Lillywhite. Their big hit from that wasd I Will Follow .   Then skip October, you have War (1983) brought big hits like Sunday Bloody Sunday and New Years Day, massive hits and very different sounding tracks in style. In fact, I can't really compare that sound to anyone else at the time. But then 1984's The Unforgettable Fire is a huge album and a dramatic change. Every song is strong on that album. There's no filler. You have two legendary producers on that album Daniel Lanois and Brian Eno. 

 

They change their sound from post-punk to a more hard-rock sound. Songs like Pride (In The Name of Love)  a tribute to Martin Luther King "..April 4th..shot rings out in the Memphis sky, free at last, they took your life, but they could not take your pride.. in the name of love." And a such a catchy anthemic song that sings praises to civil rights movement, MLK and then people just thinking the song is a love song, sort of captured a wide audience. I think Bono, not only is a great singer but actually one of the great lyricists out there. Other tracks off that album are Bad and The Unforgettable Fire.  And remember this is their 4th album in 4 years! So the sheer amount of content out there is massive. If you just take the hits off their 4 albums and just think of the 4/5 years between 1980 and 1985 you have  I will Follow, Fire, Sunday Bloody Sunday, New Years Day, Pride (In The Name of Love), The Unforgettable Fire, Bad. All in all about 6 or 7 hit singles over the space of 5 years with 4 critically acclaimed albums in released in 4 years. But that's just the early days. 

 

The Joshua Tree drops 3 years later. Again produced by Daniel Lanois and Brian Eno. They spend longer on this album.. actually the first time they spend 3 years between albums and it has a huge amount of hits. Where The Streets Have No Name (often people think this about New York) but its about Belfast and how by revealing your street you reveal your religious beliefs and your income. Other tracks are Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For and the huge With or Without You. One Tree Hill which is a sad song for a Kiwi roadie Greg Carroll that worked for U2 died in a motorcycle crash delivering the motorbike to the studio. One Tree Hill is was a fitting name given that it's an important memorial place for Maori. Against all odds, one tree grew on the volcanic hill. Seemed fitting for their friend. Of course, songs like these put U2 on a global scale when their songs are about people from far reaching corners of the Earth. Also the universality of losing a loved one is very sad and resonates across the globe. Not to mention album and photography by Anton Corbijn

 

Then for Rattle & Hum they adopted a bluesy/American sound and it was a live album, paring up with legend BB King. It had a lot of influences from Black America, gospel and soul. 

 

Then in 1991 we have Achtung Baby which is an alternative album produced by Lanois and Eno again. It sounds immensely different from what we were hearing over the last few years from U2 which was largely this American sound and they got a lot flack for that. Now they have a bit of an identity crisis. They argue over which direction they should go in. Hence why their hit song from that album One was about the band almost splitting up and their differences.. "we're one, but were not the same, we get to carry each other.." They recorded that in Berlin. More hits include Mysterious Ways, Even Better Than The Real Thing. Bono adopts a new alter-ego "The Fly" which was kind a parody on Rockstar looks. He said he put together the look from stealing all the cool things from rockstars before such as Jim Morrisons leather pants, Elvis' leather Jacket etc... So while U2 were having this identity crisis, they just sort of went with alter-egos and parody. More art work and videos were done by Anton Corbijn and this is important because he's a legend photographer and videographer. Chosing him was a statement. He did a lot of Depece Mode videos, would eventually do Heart Shaped Box by Nirvana and Corbijn and U2 had a strong relationship. 

 

We have Zooropa one year later. So we're on the 8th album in 12 years. Now Zooropa is like Alternative Rock mixed with psychedelic and Electronic. It fit in with the times as Acid House was huge and we had the Madchester scene in full bloom with bands like the Happy Mondays. It was my first U2 album so that always coloured my view of them as an experimental and alwats evolving band. If you play Zooropa and compare to a U2 album 5-10 years before, you wouldn't think it was the same band at all. Completely different sound. This is produced by Flood and Eno. It's really different. To me listening to this as a 7/8-year-old kid blew my mind. Still does.. That tour had them Bono making prank calls live on stage , Bono dressed as the devil with huge Trabant cars the ones you see from old Berlin hanging from the roof of the stage. 

 

To put some context on this difference of style of music.. just think, only 10 years before they were post-punk doing tracks like I Will Follow now they have this  style.. 

 

 

And this weird video of a song where The Edge is the lead singer... Bizarre... think this video is done in one take..

 

 

Then we have Pop in 1997 which was obviously a parody on pop culture with them adopting a Village People look, ripping the piss out of boybands. 

 

I'm not even the biggest U2 fan but know a lot about them.  I never liked anything they did after Pop (1997) although never really gave them a chance. I can't believe I wrote a big essay on them though. I just wanted to contextualize why they're big and perhaps shed some light on some feats they had. A lot of us grew up on post 2000 U2 which and then had them being compared to Coldplay. OK old-man U2 might be coldplayish but 80's/90's U2 is a pioneering rollercoaster. Nothing like that middle of the road the stuff Coldplay do. It was ballsy, rock and roll that flirted with various styles from gospel/blues/Americana to acid/industrial/alternative influences. 

 

So I think their success is always changing their sound. Yeah after 2000 they became samey like most bands do but from 1980-1992 - (12 years) they released 8 studio albums. And the style changes dramatically. In that respect, love them or hate them I think they deserve to be that big for being so hard working, so consistent and always evolving. 

 

 

Edited by Mister Pink

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Progressive rock > Hard rock

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Jerking For Soup

I also share the opinion that good artwork makes a good album. It's the frosting on the cake and introduces the tone of the album straight off the bat.

 

Autotune is alright when used correctly. I think 808s & Heartbreak by Kanye West shows this, but artists like T-Pain is just ugh.

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Rhoda

Another one for you - I think live music is bad and the experience of going to a concert is also bad.

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Mister Pink
3 hours ago, ∴ said:

Another one for you - I think live music is bad and the experience of going to a concert is also bad.

Ah Craig you lost me there. :(

 

There are a lot of thrash live bands but there are some gems I've seen live where the experience trumps the any pre-recorded experience. Bands like Liquid Liquid do an amazing rhythmic show with lots of percussions and live and hypnotic rhythms. Some bands are just really tight and bring a new energy with live variations of album stuff. Happy Mondays was probably the last live band I've seen and I was blown away of their live experience, everyone dancing, everyone smiling and singing, it was great. 

 

Then there's the live experiences you get at festivals. You know when you stumble upon some unknown act and you cancel all your other plans and just stick around and listen to them? 

 

What about live DJ experiences?  

 

 

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Rhoda

I don't know what it is, but lately I've just completely fallen out of fondness for it. I think I've had too many bad experiences - the last few I even remember going to were terrible, in both atmosphere and sound quality. DJ mixes can be shoddy too, depending on who's doing it. If they're just going to stand there and pretend, I could listen to a mix at home. I don't mind performing so much, but watching and listening to a live act can be a real chore.

 

I've been to festivals, I enjoyed those. Maybe I'm just in a rut. It's been a long time since I've been blown away by a live experience.

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ProKiller93

i like nickleback

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Femme Fatale

Hyperactive! is way better than She Blinded Me With Science, and should've been an even bigger hit.

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Femme Fatale

Living On a Prayer is an overplayed sh*tty song.

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Rhoda
1 hour ago, Femme Fatale said:

Living On a Prayer is an overplayed sh*tty song.

 

Bon Jovi in general is.

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Cutter De Blanc

Greta Van Fleet is derivative sounding and unoriginal in their concepts

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JayKed20

99% Of what they play on radio is overrated trash, worst part is in my country there's literally 90% generic pop music stations, a classical station, a oldies station, one that plays a mix of both old songs and new generic pop music and a talk/news station or two, there's no diversity on the radio, it should be one station for all the generic crappy pop music, one for classic rock, one for modern rock, one for classic rap and one for modern rap and some others for other genres, like it's done in GTA basically.

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OCDee

Sales and popularity isn't an estimate of quality, passion or talent.

 

An artist's vision isn't always easy to swallow, inherently no music sounds bad. You sit with a certain bias as a person.

 

Music isn't only about invoking feelings of being upbeat, or happy, or things that elevate your mood. It can also be about the opposite. It's an artform, meaning it's not meant to represent only one side of humanity, but all of it.

 

It takes as much talent to gutturally growl consistently as it does to sing cleanly for a extended period of time.

 

Subtlety and nuances beats flair and flash any day.

 

 

Zeuhl is beautiful.

 

Frank Zappa was the best musician of the past century.

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Doctor Holliday
On 8/6/2018 at 2:33 AM, Neptune Homme said:

Another one for you - I think live music is bad and the experience of going to a concert is also bad.

Ok now you're just trolling.

 

Or you're a fake music fan. A pretender. A wanna-be. Your experience of music is superficial at best; at worst you're completely missing out on at least 3/4 of the total experience.

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mr quick
On 8/6/2018 at 10:33 AM, Neptune Homme said:

Another one for you - I think live music is bad and the experience of going to a concert is also bad.

This is just stupid. The magic of music is that it's something that happens momentarily - even the recordings that I've listened to a million times were just one take of many. A live concert is like the sunset in how it's the same thing every time, but never exactly the same. There's also an element of community, and a chance for the singer or band to visually communicate with the audience in a way that recorded music doesn't. Come on, dude. 

 

 

On 10/3/2018 at 10:41 PM, JayKed20 said:

99% Of what they play on radio is overrated trash, worst part is in my country there's literally 90% generic pop music stations, a classical station, a oldies station, one that plays a mix of both old songs and new generic pop music and a talk/news station or two, there's no diversity on the radio, it should be one station for all the generic crappy pop music, one for classic rock, one for modern rock, one for classic rap and one for modern rap and some others for other genres, like it's done in GTA basically.

this isn't controversial whatsoever

 

On 10/3/2018 at 11:27 PM, OCDee said:

Sales and popularity isn't an estimate of quality, passion or talent.

 

An artist's vision isn't always easy to swallow, inherently no music sounds bad. You sit with a certain bias as a person.

 

Music isn't only about invoking feelings of being upbeat, or happy, or things that elevate your mood. It can also be about the opposite. It's an artform, meaning it's not meant to represent only one side of humanity, but all of it.

 

It takes as much talent to gutturally growl consistently as it does to sing cleanly for a extended period of time.

 

Subtlety and nuances beats flair and flash any day.

 

 

Zeuhl is beautiful.

 

Frank Zappa was the best musician of the past century.

absolutely nothing of what you wrote is controversial, even the very last bit, cause thinking of frank zappa like some sort of music god is the music version of thinking pulp fiction is the greatest film of all time - most people tend to gravitate towards that opinion because it was their first meeting with "art" versions of the same format

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Outlaw Biker Viking

The Beatles and The Rolling Stones really are nothing special. I’m personally more of a The Who fan if any of those three.

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