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BretMaverick777

Unofficial RDR2 Map: Place Name Corrections

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BretMaverick777

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The transition of the leaked RDR2 map from way back from the above, to the cleaner and purtier one below, was collectively amazing, inspired, and just awesome.   But....also flawed.   There's some place names that weren't listed correctly; some that are still vaguely indecipherable; and some that were simply left off from the original map. 

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....So this thread is an attempt to try to get a more accurate read on some of the place names.   I've already started with a few I picked up on, and I invite y'all to add more, and correct the "corrections" where needed.  

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This one was listed on the newer map as "Cunson Landing?"   It's actually "Cumberland Falls."   Which makes sense, given that the landmark is smack dab in the middle of the Dakota River. 

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The Montana Rivers.

I don't *think* these rivers which first appeared in RDR1 were given names, in the game or on the map, but correct me if I'm wrong.  The RDR2 leaked map took the time to identify the two rivers that border New Elizabeth as the Upper and Lower Montana Rivers.   Which likely indicates what state/territory Tall Trees and Great Plains/Blackwater were modeled after.  In any event, the new map didn't include the placename for the Montana River.

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Cutter De Blanc

The crossing in the river between New Austin and the Great Plains was called the Montana Ford

Not the bridge, or theives landing but that part where the water level becomes shallow enough to wade through

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Scarlett Meadows: 

 

"Clearing Cove?"  -- CLEMENS Cove.   Gotta believe that's homage to the venerable Samuel Langhorn Clemens, aka Mark Twain.  Life On the Mississippi, or Lanahechee in this case. 

 

"Bulger Glade?"  -- looks right to me

 

"Erisfield?" -- ENSFIELD.   Maybe.   Erisfield looks right, too, so...

 

"Saltwater Stand" -- Saltwater STRAND, but no biggie.  

 

"Merkins Waller?"  -- weird, but it's probably correct.   Rockstar has a tendency to include obscure dirty jokes in place names in their games, and RDR is no exception.  A "merkin" is actually a "wig" or artificial covering for pubic hair, so...now you know.  And "waller" is just Southern for "wallow," to roll around in something.   So this place name is probably dirty, and you should feel dirty now that you've figured that out.  Also, see next entry. 

 

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Cutter De Blanc

Looks like it says Siltwater. Silt is like sediment found in riverbeds and stuff

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"Ovenjta Dam?"  -- tough one to decipher, but I've narrowed it down to "Owanjila."    This is a Lakota word, which vaguely means "stays in one place."  It's commonly applied to the term "Wicahpi Owanjila."  Wicahpi is Lakota for "star," and the "star that stays in one place" is the name given to Polaris, the North Star.   So Owanjila Dam was probably named for the North Star.   "Owanjila" also seems to be the name applied to the reservoir itself.  

 

"Mocto Post?" -- hard to decipher, too, but I'm going with "Monto Rest."   Or "Monto Post," but I'm leaning towards "Rest."   Can't find any word or etymology for anything resembling "mocto" online, but "Monto" has a lot of possibilities.  Could be Spanish, "to ride," but Monto is also a nickname for Montgomery, in England and Ireland.  In particular, Monto used to refer to Dublin's red light district around Montgomery Street, so....who knows.  Could be something vaguely dirty or prostitutey.   (Prostitutey isn't a real word, btw)

2 minutes ago, Cutter De Blanc said:

Looks like it says Siltwater. Silt is like sediment found in riverbeds and stuff

Siltwater actually makes more sense.   I wouldn't expect saltwater in the bayou.   Nothing on either RDR map seems to connect to the ocean.  Bayou Nwa seems to be fed by the Lanahechee, which is a big water source, but almost certainly entirely freshwater.  

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Cutter De Blanc

I wonder what the purple things are.

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1 minute ago, Cutter De Blanc said:

I wonder what the purple things are.

I still can't decipher 'em at ANY resolution.   Near as I can tell, the legend for the purple markers has two words....first one seems to start with an L, second word starts with a J.   I'm GUESSING, and it's a total guess, that it's something to do with "land jump," or claim jumping, but that just doesn't look right.  In any event, I kinda sorta think it's something to do with mining, or claim jumping a miner or mining company's stake.   I don't believe prospecting has been confirmed for the game yet, but you gotta believe it will be in there.  How can you have an RDR game without the chance to mine for gold, gems, oil?  

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Cutter De Blanc

Near as I can tell the purple icon in the Heartlands' last word is "pond"

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4 minutes ago, Cutter De Blanc said:

Near as I can tell the purple icon in the Heartlands' last word is "pond"

I think so, too. 

 

And I'm *fairly* confident that the one listed just below "BIG VALLEY" says "Applewood Trading Co."   

Which, if we're right about both of those, pretty much shoots down my mining theory altogether.  

 

What's odd is that in the newer map, the map creator seemed to think that each of the entries for the purple sites starts with a NUMBER.   I'm not seeing that, at all.  

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Cozzi
12 hours ago, Cutter De Blanc said:

I wonder what the purple things are.

I've been driving myself insane over this question for 2 and a half years. I agree with Maverick up there that its businesses, but i don't think they're all necessarily gold mines. i hope many are, and you can sort of decipher 'mining camp' and 'claim' but then one says something like 'Applewood Timber Co.' and stuff. So I think they might be assorted businesses.

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17 hours ago, BretMaverick777 said:

What's odd is that in the newer map, the map creator seemed to think that each of the entries for the purple sites starts with a NUMBER.   I'm not seeing that, at all.   

I just assumed that the indecipherable purple locations had numbers on the fan remake of the map was because they were hard to read, so people can take guesses what the number 1 one is, the number 2 one, 3, etc. Not like the creator actually saw the numbers.

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The Grizzlies (Intro): 

 

"Granni Pass?"  -- hard to make out on the bright yellow of the trail marker, but it's "Granite Pass." 

"Millesan Claim?"  -- Appears to be "Millesani Claim."   Millesani would translate from Italian as "a thousand healths."  Possibly even Latin, similar translation.  Maybe it's a hot springs of some sort, with the "thousand healths" referring to the supposed curative properties that often attracted tourists of the era.  

 

There's also a small notation northwest of Adler Ranch for "lake?"   Like the development team wasn't sure they wanted to put one there or not. 

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I'm positive the first letter of the first word is an "L" and the first letter of the second word is an "S" like everyone else, but at certain resolutions, to me anyway, the first word almost looks like Asset. The first letter almost looks like an "A"

I see an "e" and a "t" at the end of the word. But honestly I have no bloody clue!

 

I'm talking about the purple lettering under Homesteads/Rustling to be clear

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Sorry for double post: The "L" in the first purple word doesn't seem as straight as  the "L" in Landmarks above it. It's really starting to look like an "A" but the more you stare at these kinds of things the more you will see anything you want

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There's two we can be pretty sure of. 

Most people read this one as "Pacific Union Railroad Camp," just northwest of Mossy Flats in Roanoke Ridge.   I definitely agree with "Railroad Camp," not entirely sold on "Pacific," but it's clearly a railroad camp in the vein of RDR1's own Pacific Union Railroad Camp in West Elizabeth.  If it *is* Pacific Union, they're clearly the monopoly when it comes to rail lines in the era. 

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Then you've got the "Applewood Timber Co." in Big Valley, not far from Mocto Post/Monto Post.

The other purple entry, south of the town of Strawberry, seems to read "xxxxxxxx Mining Camp." 

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Then in the Heartlands/New Hanover, this one near the Horseshoe Overlook seems to read "xxxxxxx Pond."  Pretty sure it starts with a C.  Maybe "Carter's Pond." 

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Then there's this one, on the Dakota River in the Cumberland Forest.  I can't even try to spot this one, other than the second word seems to start with "P."   It's the only one of the 5 purple markers unreachable by road or rail; only by water or foot. 

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So....a railroad camp, a timber company/lumberyard, a mining camp, some sort of pond, and some unknown location on a hard-to-reach bend of the river.  What do these five possibly have in common?

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SneakyDeaky

A complete shot in the dark I guess, but during the IGN and other previews it was mentioned that locations would be built over time .i.e. Morgan passes by a house being built, the railroad will expand to more towns, could these be those locations?

It would make sense on a developer map to mark the dynamic locations and there's one right near Horsehoe Overlook, which I believe to be the camp in the IGN preview.

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26 minutes ago, SneakyDeaky said:

A complete shot in the dark I guess, but during the IGN and other previews it was mentioned that locations would be built over time .i.e. Morgan passes by a house being built, the railroad will expand to more towns, could these be those locations?

It would make sense on a developer map to mark the dynamic locations and there's one right near Horsehoe Overlook, which I believe to be the camp in the IGN preview.

You mean like, these 5 places would be the only ones that actually feature dynamic change, as far as building, tearing down, rebuilding?   Nah, I got the impression from the interviews that pretty much the whole world features that aspect.  It seems to be in keeping with RDR2's plan to develop a game world that's literally living, moving on, doing its own thing, with or without you.   You can burn down a town, and they'll rebuild; and by god, the townsfolk will be waiting to ambush you if you ever try to come back.   That sort of thing. 

 

Theoretically, these purple places seem to represent major businesses, but I'm not sure how Dutch's gang is meant to interact.  I can't really see them trying to buy or manage companies -- something you know Franklin, Michael and Trevor would do in GTA5.   Dutch just isn't that kind of criminal....he's an outlaw, and he's an idealist.  If anything, I think the bulk of the game will be about Dutch targeting the corporations and monopolies of the robber barons.  Even the seemingly simple act of robbing a bank, stage, or train can carry long-term repercussions to a company if you keep hitting the same corporate assets time and again.  Wells Fargo, Union Pacific, any major bank franchise could and did regard bandits as a huge liability to their enterprises, and so spent tons of money hiring bounty hunters to drive outlaws like Dutch to ground.  And that battle between greedy corporation and noble Robin Hood bandits (whether that image is real or illusory) certainly drives Dutch's politics, as we saw in RDR1.  

 

So, if anything, I'd guess that these 5 big businesses would be targets for Dutch's gang.  Maybe even a group of assets owned by one single archvillain company, like Cornwall.  

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Wonder if the purple areas might be "fight clubs?"  We know bare-knuckle prizefighting is shown several times in the trailers.  The three locations we can ID so far --- railroad camp, mining camp, lumberyard -- definitely sound like rough-and -tumble places you'd expect to see tough guys up for a tussle.    

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19 hours ago, BretMaverick777 said:

There's two we can be pretty sure of. 

Most people read this one as "Pacific Union Railroad Camp," just northwest of Mossy Flats in Roanoke Ridge.   I definitely agree with "Railroad Camp," not entirely sold on "Pacific," but it's clearly a railroad camp in the vein of RDR1's own Pacific Union Railroad Camp in West Elizabeth.  If it *is* Pacific Union, they're clearly the monopoly when it comes to rail lines in the era. 

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UPDATE:   It says "CENTRAL Union Railroad Camp."

Which makes sense, too. Heartland = central US.  It's an homage to America's Transcontinental Railroad that crossed the West, linking the Union Pacific and Central Pacific railways.   So RDR1 is serviced mainly by the "Pacific Union railroad,"  while RDR2's tracks will likely belong to the "Central Union RR." 

 

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20 hours ago, BretMaverick777 said:

 

Then there's this one, on the Dakota River in the Cumberland Forest.  I can't even try to spot this one, other than the second word seems to start with "P."   It's the only one of the 5 purple markers unreachable by road or rail; only by water or foot. 

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Playing around with this in relief in paint.net, changing the angle and drop shadow, goes a long way to revealing this says "ROANOKE PEAKS."   Which is appropriate for its location, but still doesn't give much of a clue about what's here other than some high mountains overlooking the river. 

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On 7/6/2018 at 7:20 PM, BretMaverick777 said:

UPDATE:   It says "CENTRAL Union Railroad Camp."

Which makes sense, too. Heartland = central US.  It's an homage to America's Transcontinental Railroad that crossed the West, linking the Union Pacific and Central Pacific railways.   So RDR1 is serviced mainly by the "Pacific Union railroad,"  while RDR2's tracks will likely belong to the "Central Union RR." 

I think you were right the first time with "Pacific Union". The real-life Union Pacific R.R. came from Wyoming(the eastern side of the transcontinental railroad), and went west. The Central Pacific R.R.(Southwestern R.R. in RDR1) came from Cali, and headed east to meet the U.P. in Utah(MacFarlane's Ranch in RDR1). If R* is following history, this makes the most sense imo, and we already have the "Southern and Eastern" R.R. shown at the end of trailer 3(still not sure what real R.R. that's based on, possibly Southern Pacific or Kansas City Southern). It could be "Central Union", but that doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. Good job with the other names though, I'm glad we're starting to refine the cleaner version of the map, the misspellings were starting to bug me a bit lol...

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1 hour ago, zachsterosu said:

I think you were right the first time with "Pacific Union". The real-life Union Pacific R.R. came from Wyoming(the eastern side of the transcontinental railroad), and went west. The Central Pacific R.R.(Southwestern R.R. in RDR1) came from Cali, and headed east to meet the U.P. in Utah(MacFarlane's Ranch in RDR1). If R* is following history, this makes the most sense imo, and we already have the "Southern and Eastern" R.R. shown at the end of trailer 3(still not sure what real R.R. that's based on, possibly Southern Pacific or Kansas City Southern). It could be "Central Union", but that doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. Good job with the other names though, I'm glad we're starting to refine the cleaner version of the map, the misspellings were starting to bug me a bit lol...

I wasn't suggesting R* would literally follow the saga of the Transcontinental RR; merely that RDR rail names would be "geographically accurate." 

Hence, RDR1's Pacific Union rules the West; Central Union would be the midwest and Great Plains; Southern & Eastern would cover the Southern and mid-Atlantic states.  

 

I also enhanced and embossed the photo and rotated the drop-shadow 360, like I did the other "indecipherable" words...still 95% sure that one reads "Central Union" instead of "Pacific Union."

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2 hours ago, BretMaverick777 said:

I wasn't suggesting R* would literally follow the saga of the Transcontinental RR; merely that RDR rail names would be "geographically accurate." 

Hence, RDR1's Pacific Union rules the West; Central Union would be the midwest and Great Plains; Southern & Eastern would cover the Southern and mid-Atlantic states.  

 

I also enhanced and embossed the photo and rotated the drop-shadow 360, like I did the other "indecipherable" words...still 95% sure that one reads "Central Union" instead of "Pacific Union."

Yeah, it very well could be "Central Union", but I'm still not sure. Blackwater doesn't appear to have its railroad yet, which if you remember, was run by Pacific Union. Wouldn't it make sense that they just expanded across Flat Iron lake from the east? I actually tried to map out the routes for the two railroads in the mapping section a while ago, but it's probably somewhat outdated now. Additionally, the red and gold paint schemes of the assumed "Pacific Union" locomotives(the engines in trailer 2) are very reminiscent of classic Union Pacific schemes(although its actually based on a Baltimore and Ohio loco). There may actually be three R.R. companies, as I've noticed several changes between trailers. There's a chance they could just be variations between two railroads with very similar locomotives. One last note is that the real-life Union Pacific has strong ties to Butch Cassidy's gang, which is where a lot of the inspiration for Dutch's gang comes from.

 

Heres a link to what I'm talking about(loco changes):

Sorry for polluting your thread with all this railroad talk lol

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