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SuperKitsune

Arthur Morgan's height and weight.

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~INDIO~
2 minutes ago, Gray-Hand said:

Arthur is written as a big imposing guy, but  whenever he actually stands next to any other male character, he’s usually only the same height or shorter.

 

Seriously, go back and watch every cut scene - the number of other characters who Arthur is taller than is really small.

The only thing that confuses me is arthur was advertised as a big bad outlaw who would do horrible things easily and didn't care about people much.

But he's actually more caring for people than John. 

The story makes him look like a big teddy bear in a way.

Sure, roaming around you can do all sorts of bad things, but story wise Arthur is a really nice guy.

I think this whole story was about Dutch's redemption, and that's the surprise. 

You didn't expect Dutch to come out at the end and shoot Micah, but he did. And his honor bar went up a lot after that.

I don't know if I like how nice Arthur was through the whole thing, I feel there should have been more dishonorable things he did early on tbh.

I know this post isn't discussing his height or weight much, but it's an opinion on his character anyway

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On 1/17/2019 at 8:09 AM, Vinewood Villain said:

I hope you’re joking lol. I seriously doubt anyone from that era could squat that much. That’s over 5 plates on the bar and would take years of training . 5 reps lmao, Jesus. 

Haha yeah. Just having a bit of fun lol. Maybe 315lbs ;).

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Boozey St John
On 6/26/2018 at 5:59 PM, Zello said:

6'9

 

250 lbs

6'9? An absolute unit! 

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yoinker_yeet
On 6/26/2018 at 2:59 PM, Zello said:

6'9

 

250 lbs

6'9? Really? maybe not that tall, my guess is around maybe 200 lbs, and maybe at most 6'2

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Posted (edited)

Well he was described by the Bank teller in his first robbery with Dutch and Hosea as being a large (hight and build) man so I would assume 6'2 to 6'4 for height and you can see when he gets a bath that he has alot of muscle mass with defined back muscles so I would guess somewhere around fifteen to sixteen stone (224 pounds)

 

We know that he can lift a fully grown man off his feet with both hands while choking them so that proves hes very strong.

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PapasHota

He seems to be the same height as Javier Escuella, who Marston says is a 5´8, hes taller than the women in cutscenes but have the same height as most men in camp with the exception of Dutch, Bill and the indian in gameplay they all have the same height and he probably weight 80-85 kg.

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Dark Rosewood Varnish

Arthur - 6'2

Dutch - 6'1

Bill - 5'11

Micah - 5'9

 

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On 6/28/2018 at 3:46 PM, e1999KrayzieBone said:

He looks about 69 inches

*69* 😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

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Mysterious hero

Character heights in the Redemption games have never been consistent.

 

For example, Edgar Ross is often shown to be rather short, he's barely up to John's neck. If John is 5'8, I'd bet that Ross is around 5'1-5'3. However at the end of the mission "Bare One Another's Burden" John and Ross are shown to be the same height. I always wondered why that cutscene looked wrong. Its even worse in RDR2, in the credits you can see Ross is the same height or maybe even taller than Archer Fordham.

Jack is a similar case. Sometimes, he's towered over by his father, sometimes he towers over his father, sometimes they are the same height, other times he's only shorter than his father by a couple of inches. There are many examples of this, but I just named two.

 

Basically, I don't think that we will know Arthur's exact height. He looks taller than John in some cut scenes (most notably "Angelo Bronte, Man of Honor" and "Red Dead Redemption") sometimes John looks taller (most notably "Horse Flesh for Dinner" and "Bridge to Nowhere").

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On ‎6‎/‎27‎/‎2018 at 7:19 AM, Cutter De Blanc said:

I want to know if I could beat him up

Height and weight are not an indication of fighting ability. 

On ‎3‎/‎9‎/‎2019 at 5:12 PM, Dark Rosewood Varnish said:

Arthur - 6'2

Dutch - 6'1

Bill - 5'11

Micah - 5'9

 

Not sure why but Bill seems the biggest of the lot, and is portrayed as a mindless brute. 

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My Arthur is a cuddly bear of a man, obviously modelled after Roger. 

 

On 1/18/2019 at 1:49 AM, ~INDIO~ said:

The only thing that confuses me is arthur was advertised as a big bad outlaw who would do horrible things easily and didn't care about people much.

But he's actually more caring for people than John. 

The story makes him look like a big teddy bear in a way.

Sure, roaming around you can do all sorts of bad things, but story wise Arthur is a really nice guy.

I think this whole story was about Dutch's redemption, and that's the surprise. 

You didn't expect Dutch to come out at the end and shoot Micah, but he did. And his honor bar went up a lot after that.

I don't know if I like how nice Arthur was through the whole thing, I feel there should have been more dishonorable things he did early on tbh.

I know this post isn't discussing his height or weight much, but it's an opinion on his character anyway

 

What nice things does he actually do? You can choose to be an asshole to everyone in camp if you like. You can antagonise almost every NPC. In the prologue he's awful to Pearson and Uncle, and seems only to respect Charles, Dutch and maybe Hosea.

 

In terms of being nice in missions...he punches some guy to death in Without Sin, then threatens to kill the witness, punches Tommy into a retard in Americans at rest, after calling out a couple of whores in the saloon. In The first shall be last, he insinuates that maybe they should cut Sean loose, then when they rescue him, he says he'd happily have left him to die(joking or not, it shows his sadistic sense of humour). In Polite Society you can reject the old mans plea for help in getting his horse back, you can kill Jimmy Brooks, and even if you save him you can threaten his life. Later on in Chapter 4 you threaten to kill the stablehand in St.Denis for telling you what to do.....I mean, the list goes on. There are tons of examples showing his bastard side. Alot is left up to the player aswell.

 

He is pretty good to the girls, but then again you can choose how to interact with them. 

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gtafan1995

I would say 6'0 or 180cm. People were much shorter back in the day, so that would be pretty tall for that time.

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Outlaw Biker Viking

A bit of a bump but I guess I’m not hurting anything...

I’d say that Arthur Morgan is about 6’1 and 165 lbs.

 

As for other characters..

Dutch van der Linde: 5’10, 154 lbs

Micah Bell: 5’11, 160 lbs

Bill Williamson: 5’11, 172 lbs

John Marston: 6’0, 198 lbs

Javier Escuella: 5’8, 145 lbs

Leopold Strauss: 5’6, 135 lbs

 

But that’s just my best guesses.

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NosferatuLudd

Maybe it's just me, but Arthur always looks short in-game and in cut scenes.

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Mysterious hero
3 hours ago, ThatKyloRenGuy said:

A bit of a bump but I guess I’m not hurting anything...

I’d say that Arthur Morgan is about 6’1 and 165 lbs.

 

As for other characters..

Dutch van der Linde: 5’10, 154 lbs

Micah Bell: 5’11, 160 lbs

Bill Williamson: 5’11, 172 lbs

John Marston: 6’0, 198 lbs

Javier Escuella: 5’8, 145 lbs

Leopold Strauss: 5’6, 135 lbs

 

But that’s just my best guesses.

Dutch is definitely taller than that. He towers over Arthur by 2-3 inches. I think I heard somewhere that Benjamin Byron Davis confirmed that Dutch is 6'0, but take that with a grain of salt. But if that's true, then that would make Arthur about 5'10 - 5'9, which seems about right. 

Micah and Bill seems to be average in height.

Strauss looks taller than Arthur. 

Javier is a confirmed 5'8.

John is also 5'8. He and Javier are the same height in "Gates Of El Presidio". Since both Arthur and John are the protagonist and would share the same animations, it would make sense that both are similar in height.

There's an interesting thing to note. When you take bounties, the target is usually described as 5'9. Just something I noticed.

 

So in my opinion:

Arthur Morgan: 5'9

Dutch van der Linde: 6'0

Micah Bell: 5'9 - 5'10

Bill Williamson: 5'9 - 5'10

John Marston: 5'8

Javier Escuella: 5'8

Leopold Strauss: 5'11 - 6'0

 

 

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~INDIO~

Why do you have Leopold taller than Arthur and John?

I'd say Arthur and John are around 6/6'1, and Dutch around 6'2/6'3.

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6ft, 195lbs at perfect weight

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Posted (edited)
On 8/22/2019 at 9:30 PM, ~INDIO~ said:

Why do you have Leopold taller than Arthur and John?

I'd say Arthur and John are around 6/6'1, and Dutch around 6'2/6'3.

Because Leopold is taller than Arthur. Go back and watch the cut scenes, he definitely has a couple inches on Arthur.

 

Arthur doesn't strike me as a tall man, he seems more average height. I think 5'9 is reasonable.

 

John mentions that Javier is 5'8. When John captures Javier, both of them are the same height. This means John is 5'8 as well. 

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~INDIO~
13 hours ago, Mysterious hero said:

Because Leopold is taller than Arthur. Go back and watch the cut scenes, he definitely has a couple inches on Arthur.

 

Arthur doesn't strike me as a tall man, he seems more average height. I think 5'9 is reasonable.

 

John mentions that Javier is 5'8. When John captures Javier, both of them are the same height. This means John is 5'8 as well. 

John captures Javier in RDR1 where there are only 2 different height variations in the game. Javier is shorter than John in RDR1.

The one-legged guy in Rhodes describes Arthur as being tall when John goes to see him. 5'9 is more like Javier's height.

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8 hours ago, ~INDIO~ said:

John captures Javier in RDR1 where there are only 2 different height variations in the game. Javier is shorter than John in RDR1.

The one-legged guy in Rhodes describes Arthur as being tall when John goes to see him. 5'9 is more like Javier's height.

John and Javier are literally the same height. I just watched the video.

There are two height variations for men and women in Red Dead Redemption 1, short and average. I'll use John and Ross as an example. Ross is shorter (except for a few cut scenes where he is erroneously depicted as average height) than John by 6-7 inches. If Ross was 5'8, that would mean John is 6'2 - 6'3. Even worse, that would mean the average height for males in the game would be 6'2 - 6'3. Some of the women in the game are only half a head shorter than the men. Take Eva and Jenny for example, they're only 3-4 inches shorter than John/Jack, which would potentially make them 5'10 - 6'0. So in actuality, the average height for the males in the game would be 5'8 (just like in real life during that time). John would be 5'8, Ross would be 5'1 - 5'2, Jenny and Eva would be 5'4 - 5'5, which is much more reasonable and realistic. So there you have it, John is 5'8.

 

I know what that that old guy says, but take a few things to note. One, that old guy is already short. Two, Arthur is built like a brick house, which would give the impression that he's much taller than he actually is. Three, name one character in the game that Arthur towers over. I can't think of one.

Arthur is average in height. 

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~INDIO~
3 hours ago, Mysterious hero said:

John and Javier are literally the same height. I just watched the video.

There are two height variations for men and women in Red Dead Redemption 1, short and average. I'll use John and Ross as an example. Ross is shorter (except for a few cut scenes where he is erroneously depicted as average height) than John by 6-7 inches. If Ross was 5'8, that would mean John is 6'2 - 6'3. Even worse, that would mean the average height for males in the game would be 6'2 - 6'3. Some of the women in the game are only half a head shorter than the men. Take Eva and Jenny for example, they're only 3-4 inches shorter than John/Jack, which would potentially make them 5'10 - 6'0. So in actuality, the average height for the males in the game would be 5'8 (just like in real life during that time). John would be 5'8, Ross would be 5'1 - 5'2, Jenny and Eva would be 5'4 - 5'5, which is much more reasonable and realistic. So there you have it, John is 5'8.

 

I know what that that old guy says, but take a few things to note. One, that old guy is already short. Two, Arthur is built like a brick house, which would give the impression that he's much taller than he actually is. Three, name one character in the game that Arthur towers over. I can't think of one.

Arthur is average in height. 

John is 100% not 5'8 pal. Think you should ask Rockstar and see what they have to say about that.

Also, Ross 5'1😂😂

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Mysterious hero
20 hours ago, ~INDIO~ said:

John is 100% not 5'8 pal. Think you should ask Rockstar and see what they have to say about that.

Okay fine. Here is the evidence.

John tells Emilio that Javier is 5'8 in "Landon Rickets Rides Again". Here is both of them standing right next to each other:Image result for rdr 1 javier

They are the exact same height.

John is 100% 5'8 pal.

20 hours ago, ~INDIO~ said:

Also, Ross 5'1😂😂

 

 

Image result for rdr 1 ross

 

I see about a 6-7 inch height difference. Since I just proved that John is 5'8, that would mean Ross is 5'1-5'2.

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~INDIO~

Yeah, John also describes Bill as a "Big American" while he's in Mexico, and in the mission where they take Kieran to find Colm you can see that John is the same height as Bill.

Therefore he is not 5'8, but you're entitled to your opinion.

The reason Ross looks short is becuase Archer and John are both above 6 foot.

Ross is like 5'8, not a dwarf😂

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26 minutes ago, ~INDIO~ said:

Yeah, John also describes Bill as a "Big American" while he's in Mexico, and in the mission where they take Kieran to find Colm you can see that John is the same height as Bill.

 

I always assumed "big" as in broad, not tall. The last time John saw Bill was when he was much fatter. And who said Bill can't be 5'8 either? 5'7 - 5'8 was the average height for a male back in those times.

 

33 minutes ago, ~INDIO~ said:

Therefore he is not 5'8, but you're entitled to your opinion.

Okay, then explain why John and Javier are the same height in the picture I showed. 

 

34 minutes ago, ~INDIO~ said:

The reason Ross looks short is becuase Archer and John are both above 6 foot.

So is every male in the game over six feet tall? Some of the women, like Eva and Jenny, would be around 5'10 - 6'0 by that logic, which even nowadays that's pretty tall for a woman.

 

37 minutes ago, ~INDIO~ said:

Ross is like 5'8, not a dwarf😂

If Ross was 5'8, that would make John (and every other male in the game) 6'2 - 6'3. 

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On 7/5/2018 at 2:21 AM, Gray-Hand said:

Mature White Tailed Bucks can get up past 250 pounds and the largest ever recorded (in 1926) weighed 403lb after it was gutted.

Dude that is 185 kg's O.o that is massive. 

 

Ot: I feel like he's between 180-190 and around 95-105 kg's. He's heavy build and strong allaround, not just arms etc. 

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~INDIO~
22 hours ago, Mysterious hero said:

I always assumed "big" as in broad, not tall. The last time John saw Bill was when he was much fatter. And who said Bill can't be 5'8 either? 5'7 - 5'8 was the average height for a male back in those times.

 

Okay, then explain why John and Javier are the same height in the picture I showed. 

 

So is every male in the game over six feet tall? Some of the women, like Eva and Jenny, would be around 5'10 - 6'0 by that logic, which even nowadays that's pretty tall for a woman.

 

If Ross was 5'8, that would make John (and every other male in the game) 6'2 - 6'3. 

Well he wouldn't say "Big American" if he was 5'7 would he haha

 

I'd suggest watching this.

 

I didn't say every male in the game is 6ft or more. Arthur, Dutch and John are.

You can compare Arthur to Leopold when he returns from saving John on the mountain, you'll see he is clearly around 4 inches taller. 

Around the same difference as John and Javier.

 

No, it would just make him shorter. There are shorter characters than John, Arthur, Bill and Dutch. 

Leopold, Javier, Hosea and Ross are all shorter.

Just play the game and see man, I don't know what else to tell ya😂

 

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1 hour ago, ~INDIO~ said:

Well he wouldn't say "Big American" if he was 5'7 would he haha

 

I'd suggest watching this.

 

I didn't say every male in the game is 6ft or more. Arthur, Dutch and John are.

You can compare Arthur to Leopold when he returns from saving John on the mountain, you'll see he is clearly around 4 inches taller. 

Around the same difference as John and Javier.

 

No, it would just make him shorter. There are shorter characters than John, Arthur, Bill and Dutch. 

Leopold, Javier, Hosea and Ross are all shorter.

Just play the game and see man, I don't know what else to tell ya😂

 

You can still be a "Big Guy" and not be tall. For Bill, he's fat. He's a big guy, but not tall.

 

I watched the video, I don't get what your asking. Are you trying to say Javier looks shorter than John here? Because I don't see it. Both of them are standing far apart, it's impossible to tell what their heights are. 

 

The vast majority of male characters are John's height. Some are shorter than him of course, but the majority are John's height. If Ross is 5'8 like you said, and there's a 6 - 7 inch height difference between them, that would make John and most of the male characters 6'2 - 6'3. Some of the women would be 5'10 - 6'0. If we go for the reality, John and the male characters would be a 5'8 and Ross would be 5'2. 

 

In most cut scenes, Strauss is taller. Look at the ending cut scene for "Fine Night For Debauchery", the beginning cut scene for "Money Lending V", and when Arthur kicks him out. I don't know why Arthur is extremely tall in that cut scene, they probably had a different mo-cap actor at the time. Same with John in "Horse Flesh For Dinner".

 

Four inch height difference between John and Javier? What? The picture I uploaded clearly shows them at the same height. 

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~INDIO~
2 hours ago, Mysterious hero said:

You can still be a "Big Guy" and not be tall. For Bill, he's fat. He's a big guy, but not tall.

 

I watched the video, I don't get what your asking. Are you trying to say Javier looks shorter than John here? Because I don't see it. Both of them are standing far apart, it's impossible to tell what their heights are. 

 

The vast majority of male characters are John's height. Some are shorter than him of course, but the majority are John's height. If Ross is 5'8 like you said, and there's a 6 - 7 inch height difference between them, that would make John and most of the male characters 6'2 - 6'3. Some of the women would be 5'10 - 6'0. If we go for the reality, John and the male characters would be a 5'8 and Ross would be 5'2. 

 

In most cut scenes, Strauss is taller. Look at the ending cut scene for "Fine Night For Debauchery", the beginning cut scene for "Money Lending V", and when Arthur kicks him out. I don't know why Arthur is extremely tall in that cut scene, they probably had a different mo-cap actor at the time. Same with John in "Horse Flesh For Dinner".

 

Four inch height difference between John and Javier? What? The picture I uploaded clearly shows them at the same height. 

The video shows a clear difference... but we're not going to agree so there's no point in this😉

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22 hours ago, ~INDIO~ said:

The video shows a clear difference... but we're not going to agree so there's no point in this😉

No offense... But your grasping at straws.

 

John and Javier are standing too far away from each other. How does it look like Javier is shorter? He isn't. But for your sake, I did carefully measured both of them using the box that Javier threw. I found out that both of the top of their heads reach roughly the same place near the top of the box, meaning they are the same height. I still don't know why you deny that him and Javier aren't the same height, when I literally showed a photo of both of them standing together. 

 

And let me get this straight real quick:

Javier and John standing right next to each other, showing that they're the same height? Not Valid.

But Javier and John standing extremely far away from each other, with maybe some camera angles that make Javier look shorter? Valid.

 

Dude, John is 5'8. You can go ahead and believe he's 6'2 - 6'3 for some reason, but in reality, he is a man of average stature. 

 

And guess what? I got more proof for Ross being 5'2.

Remember that newspaper boy in the intro? I decided to measure him and Ross.

It appears that Ross is taller by 7 inches. If Ross was 5'8, that would make that little boy 5'1, which is unlikely since he looks about 9 or 10 years old. But if Ross was 5'2, that would make that little boy 4'7, which is more reasonable.

Even if my calculations are wrong, the fact that a little kid is roughly similar in height to Ross while towered over by John and Archer shows that Ross is indeed a short man.

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~INDIO~
19 hours ago, Mysterious hero said:

No offense... But your grasping at straws.

 

John and Javier are standing too far away from each other. How does it look like Javier is shorter? He isn't. But for your sake, I did carefully measured both of them using the box that Javier threw. I found out that both of the top of their heads reach roughly the same place near the top of the box, meaning they are the same height. I still don't know why you deny that him and Javier aren't the same height, when I literally showed a photo of both of them standing together. 

 

And let me get this straight real quick:

Javier and John standing right next to each other, showing that they're the same height? Not Valid.

But Javier and John standing extremely far away from each other, with maybe some camera angles that make Javier look shorter? Valid.

 

Dude, John is 5'8. You can go ahead and believe he's 6'2 - 6'3 for some reason, but in reality, he is a man of average stature. 

 

And guess what? I got more proof for Ross being 5'2.

Remember that newspaper boy in the intro? I decided to measure him and Ross.

It appears that Ross is taller by 7 inches. If Ross was 5'8, that would make that little boy 5'1, which is unlikely since he looks about 9 or 10 years old. But if Ross was 5'2, that would make that little boy 4'7, which is more reasonable.

Even if my calculations are wrong, the fact that a little kid is roughly similar in height to Ross while towered over by John and Archer shows that Ross is indeed a short man.

Get a life man😂 Your opinion doesn't matter to me

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